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Third, Fourth, Fifth

Trick brain teasers appear difficult at first, but they have a trick that makes them really easy.

 

Puzzle ID:#50111
Fun:**** (3.14)
Difficulty:*** (2.3)
Category:Trick
Submitted By:eighsseAus******!

 

 

 



David showed a piece of paper to Kenneth, while covering the top part of it with his hand. The visible portion below his hand read as follows:
THIRD
FOURTH
FIFTH
SIXTH
SEVENTH
EIGHTH
NINTH
TENTH

David said, "My hand is covering two words, the first two words in this list of ten words. The list follows a completely and indisputably logical sequence. None of the words are repeated. I'll bet you $50 that you cannot tell me what those two words on your first try. You can say the two words in either order."

Kenneth could not see any reason not to accept this wager, and said "First and second" for the easy $50 win. However, after David moved his hand away, Kenneth realized he had lost, and indeed, there was not even an argument to be made. What were the two hidden words?




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Comments

charlottes-oddAen*
Jan 31, 2014

This one was really cool, really clever
sciencestevencus*
Feb 11, 2014

Another great teaser from the eighsse the master.
HABS2933Aca*
Feb 26, 2014

Had to check the category after reading the teaser, once I realised it was a "trick" it was fairly easy but a great puzzle nonetheless. Will have to try it on some friends.
eighsseAus*
Feb 26, 2014

Thanks everybody, glad you enjoyed it
flyfisherAus*
Feb 26, 2014

I was thinking along family lines and got Senior, Junior. Good one.
FatHeadAus*
Feb 26, 2014

It still seems almost nobody understands the meaning of "trick". Maybe.

Anyway, I was thinking it was "first" and "second", since "first and second" is THREE words.
azaman
Feb 26, 2014

The bet was that Kenneth COULDN'T tell him what the first two words were. Well, if the first two words really were "one" and "half," then Kenneth did win the $50.
eighsseAus*
Feb 27, 2014

Well, the words were "whole" and "half," not "one" and "half." But, if I understand correctly, you're saying that, even though Kenneth said incorrect words, it would still have been possible for him to vocally pronounce the correct words -- just that it didn't happen? In the same way one could say, "The Yankees won the game, but that doesn't mean it was impossible for the Red Sox to have won the game."? If so, I guess that could be accurate in a very literal way
Zykezexus*
Feb 27, 2014

Not getting the question nor the answer
BadBunnee02*us*
Feb 27, 2014

C'mon, folks. It's a PUZZLE site!

That means entries should be challenging, problematical, and enigmatic; also original (mostly) and creative (often).

And the fact that this one was a "trick" even adds to the fun.

I think most of the quibbling here is because some players found it TOO creative, challenging, and tricky and are manufacturing their own excuses for that.

Live with it! Lighten up!

I thought it was an excellent entry. I couldn't solve it but still rated it tops for fun.
eighsseAus*
Feb 27, 2014

@Zykezex:
Basically, the whole idea is that, given this list...
____
____
Third
Fourth
Fifth, etc.
You are generally going to assume First and Second go in the blanks to complete the series. However, Whole and Half fit just as well (whole of a pie, half of a pie, third of a pie, fourth of a pie, fifth of a pie, etc.), but it likely wouldn't cross your mind to think of that.

@BadBunnee: Thanks!
letapz2
Mar 01, 2014

Winner, runner-up. As in a race
eighsseAus*
Mar 01, 2014

@letapz2: Good thinking! The only thing is, "winner" and "runner-up" can still be call "first" and "second," whereas "whole" and "half" are never called a "first" or a "second." So I think in that case, Kenneth MIGHT have an argument to make. But still, that answer works for me.
Elzhbyet*
Mar 02, 2014

what about 'winner', 'runner-up'?
Elzhbyet*
Mar 02, 2014

Whoops, diodn't read last comment.. Sorry.
foxbear60
Mar 24, 2014

FOX DIGS THIS RIDDLE!!

I'll admit, I didn't come up with the right answer on this one. My friend and I were thinking in the right area - mathematics - but were pondering that the numbers referred to 'roots' and not fractions, so our answers are were "whole" and "square." We realized our flaw though since using "square" would probably have led to the third word being "cube."

Amazing job! I applaud with paws galore!
eighsseAus*
Mar 24, 2014

Hey thanks fox! Glad to entertain you and glad to have my work appreciated!
Benjiboo*
Apr 08, 2014

One thing wrong though; "FOURTH" would have been the word "QUARTER" if it was in area statements. Just letting you know.
Rest of the teaser was great! Keep up the good work!
eighsseAus*
Apr 08, 2014

Agreed benjiboo, I thought of that and recognized it in a comment to the editors when I submitted this teaser. My argument is that fourth/quarter is pretty much the only one that can be called either of two things. So I see either one equally fit. Good catch, and though I still think the teaser and answer is valid, I do agree with you that it is an issue.



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