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Lyrics quizzes - Should they be banned?

Honestly, it's about time. YES 38 (your vote)
I don't really care. 16
People should have the freedom to submit quizzes...regardless of how terrible/pointless they are. NO50
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HarryPutter*ca

Posts: 3001

new Posted: 11:39PM Jul 19, 2009

They're basically the spam of the Trivia section now. I used to love taking new quizzes, but now I'm just turned-off from the whole section due to the excess of lyrics quizzes. People just use them to increase their quiz number. They require no thought, and no knowledge to create.

A 3 year old can _____ and paste, then leave random ______ throughout it.

I know this has been discussed, but I think it will soon seriously drive new users away (as it has for me).


---This message was edited on 11:40PM Jul 19, 2009---

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iforgotbraingleAus

Posts: 4876

new Posted: 11:45AM Jul 20, 2009

Y'know I did an experiment where I copied another lyric quiz EXACTLY and simply switched the words.
It got accepted.
Lyric quizzes are an easy 50 points and 30ish points of good karma.
You can ban them after I get all my stuff up to where I want it.


Well then.
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dswilborn

Posts: 2120

new Posted: 12:57PM Jul 20, 2009

Personally, if a quiz is boring, I don't take it. If I do take a lyrics quiz and it ends up being the same old thing, then I rate it low. People who know the songs enjoy testing their knowledge, but it does take up a lot of space and it takes up a lot of time for the Music QMs I imagine.

But this is a free site and as long as no rules are being violated, I think people should be free to be boring.
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ShadowsAcamod

Posts: 4738

new Posted: 04:20PM Jul 20, 2009

I voted no. If some person is going to submit a bunch of lyrics quizzes about songs one out of a hundred people haven't heard of, good for them. All they care about are points and the award, then. Having lots of points and awards isn't going to make you successful in life or give you special treatment on Judgment Day, so people who care about them are stupid.

Also, lyrics quizzes aren't the only kind of spam. There are a lot of other cookie-cutter quizzes out there. Let's see: most quizzes in Humanities > Linguistics, certain quizzes in Movies, and certain quizzes in Literature, to mention a few. I mean, making a quiz about a book or movie no one else has heard of is dumb.

Of course, on the other hand, there are the Twilight quizzes. Can't certain girls get a life and stop kissing Robert Pattinson's picture? I remember reviewing a quiz about the movie. It had almost no capital letters and end punctuation. All the questions had been asked in the previous twenty thousand Twilight quizzes. In the "comment to the QMs" section, the author wrote (not a direct quote): "hi i made a test about twilight bcuz i luv the movie!!!" It took all my willpower not to just reject the [darn] old thing.

Anyway, that's off topic. I hate lyrics quizzes, so I just don't take them. Perhaps if people wouldn't be so idiotic and care so much about points, the Trivia section would be a lot better. However, as long as idiots shall exist on Braingle, there shall be lyrics quizzes about obscure songs.

EDIT: Replaced "idiot" with "person".

EDIT 2: Just clarifying that I'm not referring to any specific person.


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4demo

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new Posted: 04:41PM Jul 20, 2009

Uh, Shadows, you seem to have submitted two lyrics quizzes yourself...

I have to agree that lyrics quizzes usually are rather boring, as most explanations tend to simply provide the entire verse, and can be somewhat annoying when done on an extremely obscure song. However, you're going to get the point-grubbing quizzes with simple questions and no explanations in every category; the problem just happens to be most noticeably prevalent in Music.


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ShadowsAcamod

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new Posted: 04:46PM Jul 20, 2009

Oh, shush. One is about a children's song and the other a Christmas carol. Both include trivia facts as well as lyrics. I was talking about the cookie-cutter ones.
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Carlos16*mx

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new Posted: 11:30PM Jul 20, 2009

I don't want to come up with an argument, but calling people "idiots" just because they made a quiz about lyrics, it's mean. Just call them vague, unimaginative, vapid. I just see it as an offense since I have created 4 quizzes about lyrics. What I don't understand also is that people get their quiz approved in the third submission. I am a QM for Music and see that people omit everything that has to deal with grammar. They even put the lyrics wrong. Maybe with few dedication to their quiz, the Music QMs won't have to work harder. I agree with you that people won't accept you with the amount of points you have, they will accept you by the way you are.

Thanks and that's all I have to say!


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HarryPutter*ca

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new Posted: 12:03AM Jul 21, 2009

4demo wrote:
However, you're going to get the point-grubbing quizzes with simple questions and no explanations in every category; the problem just happens to be most noticeably prevalent in Music.


I agree, but that doesn't mean we as users should not at the very least TRY to improve the overall quality of the quizzes here. Jake has limited the Brain Teaser section (certain guidelines for submission regarding rebuses, letter equations, etc.) to improve the quality of the teasers. That was done so people don't end up seeing countless versions of the same recycled idea over and over. That's what lyrics quizzes are basically becoming. Lyrics quizzes are now the way to point gain here.
If we're not going to ban lyrics quizzes, there should be at least a certain requirement for a trivia component for quizzes to give it at least some informational value.

I get Shadows' point about how it would be stupid for someone to take pride in their lyrics quizzes, but I think part of the incentive to making quizzes in general (even brain teasers)is the recognition. When people see little Timmy has submitted 60 quizzes and is second in the music category, they're impressed - even though over half of them are lyrics quizzes of songs nobody has heard of. What about the people who actually work hard on their quizzes? Why should they receive less recognition when they've put in three times the effort to make their quiz?


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grilledcheese

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new Posted: 12:08AM Jul 21, 2009

I love submitting Music quizzes, so naturally I voted 'No'. Guess I'm an idiot, right? I'm not in it for the points, I do it because I actually like the songs, and want to share them with the community. There are a few times where I've taken one and haven't heard of the song... look it up and end up liking it.
But I did not say 'no' solely on that reason. There are tons of pretty bad quizzes, along with pointless, annoying, and "why even bother?" If you don't like lyric quizzes, then simply don't take them. It's not hard to do.

I hate Jonas Brothers and Twilight quizzes, but why ban them? Some people like them. Just like people like lyric quizzes.

Oh, one thing to add.
It's the people who keep submitting the same type of quiz over and over who constantly get a bad rating... and STILL keep submitting them... those are the ones in it for the points only. I can point out an obvious one right off the top if my head!


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PaladinAus

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new Posted: 09:52AM Jul 21, 2009

HarryPutter wrote:
When people see little Timmy has submitted 60 quizzes and is second in the music category, they're impressed - even though over half of them are lyrics quizzes of songs nobody has heard of.


Really? Who is impressed? Are you? I'm not.

I don't think anyone here is going to be impressed by someone just because they posted the most lyrics quizzes. I like some of the lyrics quizzes... if it is a song I like. I *NEVER* look up lyrics, so I don't know a lot of the real words, even on songs I listen to several times a day, so they can be fun and challenging. The simple truth is, if you don't like them, don't take them... and if you do take them, rate them low.

I don't see a need to ban them just because most don't like them... as long as a few do, then keep them coming.

Edit: corrected a typo


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ShadowsAcamod

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new Posted: 01:36PM Jul 21, 2009

A garden is supposed to have a large variety of grasses, flowers, and shrubs. That's what makes a garden beautiful: the different colours and heights and textures and arrangements in perfect natural balance. If one kind of flower starts to take over the whole garden, it is no longer balanced. It looks messy: big patches of orange; a bit of purple here, a bit of yellow there, some green over by the gate. And most of the orange flowers aren't even fully-developed and beautiful.

I found out that over a quarter of the garden is dominated by orange. That's ridiculous. Don't get me wrong; I like orange flowers. I like ones that look vibrant and healthy. Those show that the person who planted the flowers cared about them, and nurtured them lovingly, making sure that they will grow into a beautiful flower. I don't like orange flowers that are haphazardly planted in random places and show signs of having been trampled on or squished. Those show that the person who planted the flowers didn't care a teeny bit about them.

grilledcheese wrote:
It's the people who keep submitting the same type of quiz over and over who constantly get a bad rating... and STILL keep submitting them... those are the ones in it for the points only. I can point out an obvious one right off the top if my head!


True enough. It's like a puppy mill.
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HarryPutter*ca

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new Posted: 05:33PM Jul 21, 2009

Agreed ^

Paladin wrote:
HarryPutter wrote:
When people see little Timmy has submitted 60 quizzes and is second in the music category, they're impressed - even though over half of them are lyrics quizzes of songs nobody has heard of.


Really? Who is impressed? Are you? I'm not.


I also was referring to potential new users coming to the site. If they see Timmy as a top recognized user...then look at his low quality quizzes, what kind of picture does that paint* for Braingle and the standard here?

Maybe banning them is going too far, but I still think some sort of standard, or informational requirement for each lyrics quiz should be established...like one was for certain types of Brain teasers.


---This message was edited on 05:44PM Jul 21, 2009---

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ShadowsAcamod

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new Posted: 08:28PM Jul 21, 2009

As a basic rule, lyrics quizzes must have some multiple choice questions. Any idiot - er, person - can copy and paste the lyrics from some website, replace a word with a few underscores, and then type that word in again to make a FITB question. T/F is even easier. At least MC requires you to think of fake answers.
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ltstar107Aus

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new Posted: 07:34PM Aug 16, 2009

Shadows wrote:
Anyway, that's off topic. I hate lyrics quizzes, so I just don't take them. Perhaps if people wouldn't be so idiotic and care so much about points, the Trivia section would be a lot better. However, as long as idiots shall exist on Braingle, there shall be lyrics quizzes about obscure songs.


ok now i find this very offensive. i dont just make lyrics quizzes for the points and awards. and just because you dont like these types of quizzes doesnt mean that you can call people idiots. i make them because i enjoy making them, and i am NO idiot!


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dswilborn

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new Posted: 12:13AM Aug 17, 2009

The challenge then is to make your lyrics quizzes stand out. I did a number of lyrics quizzes on Beatles songs - and many of them were popular as well as challenging. I made sure i wasn't making the quizzes too easy and if I had information about the song beyond the lyrics, I would put that extra information in the explanation area. That way, as people read the answers, they would also learn new things.

I'll keep taking lyrics quizzes on songs I know. I like to see how much I remember. But I rate high the ones that have shown extra effort on the part of the creator.
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PaladinAus

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new Posted: 09:43AM Aug 17, 2009

I am the same way, duchess. I have only done 2 quizzes with lyrics questions (one of them just had a couple lyrics questions, the other was all lyrics questions) and I put a lot of effort into them to make them a bit more challenging and informative.

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ShadowsAcamod

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new Posted: 11:17AM Aug 17, 2009

ltstar107 wrote:
ok now i find this very offensive. i dont just make lyrics quizzes for the points and awards. and just because you dont like these types of quizzes doesnt mean that you can call people idiots. i make them because i enjoy making them, and i am NO idiot!


Oh, for goodness' sake...

Just because you don't like what I wrote doesn't mean it's "very offensive". Not everything that contradicts your thoughts is "very offensive".

Also, just because you don't make lyrics quizzes for the points and awards doesn't mean other people don't.

While I'm at it, I can call people idiots all I want.

Anyway...

If we're counting quizzes with lyrics questions as lyrics quizzes, then I have three. All three are quite challenging. For one quiz, I mixed lyrics with one or two trivia facts. I think it's my second most popular quiz (which doesn't say much, since I don't have all that many).
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iforgotbraingleAus

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new Posted: 01:42PM Aug 17, 2009

Just because you don't like what I wrote doesn't mean it's "very offensive". Not everything that contradicts your thoughts is "very offensive".

Also, just because you don't make lyrics quizzes for the points and awards doesn't mean other people don't.

While I'm at it, I can call people idiots all I want.

I agree completely. Shoulda pointed out her grammar errors, though.


Furthermore, I believe the problem is in the fact that there are quizzes that are being sent through that take under 5 minutes to make, and often scoring HIGHER than the quality works because idiots only like easy quizzes that don't require any knowledge on anything except the top 40 songs.
"I don't know much about this subject, so I gave it a 'Boring' rating."
Except for them it'd be "idk much on tis so i rate it boring"
Or they'll rate it poorly because they don't know the song.

Well-written quiz about DragonForce: 1.5 stars
Cheap lyric quiz of a popular Beatles song: 8 and a half stars



Well then.
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alli-palli

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new Posted: 01:54AM Sep 16, 2009

Ifb, I completely agree with you. I've seen some really interesting, well written quizzes out there, but they're rated pretty poorly, while other quizzes that have little imagination are rated really well because the song is popular or the person making the quiz knows a lot of people on the site that will rate it well. I don't think lyrics quizzes should be banned, but I seriously think people should put a little bit more thought in when it comes to rating.
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saelle138Agb

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new Posted: 02:31PM Sep 20, 2009

But, what if it weren't a lyrics quiz, but maybe a quiz on the song, with some lyrics questions? Lyrics quizzes can be good first time quizzes since they're easy to make...

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