Having your riddle copied
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EMB92
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 Posted: 11:28AM Dec 12, 2011 |
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Um, seeing has who wrote the book, that's not going to happen...
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snowmonster  
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Posted: 12:55PM Dec 12, 2011 |
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LOL - that's funny. Never saw it before, ever. I wonder if that also includes individuals taking from braingle that are not associated with Braingle.com. I'm assuming, Braingle.com is referring to the owner/s of the site.
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jaycr
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Posted: 02:12PM Dec 12, 2011 |
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The information above, and this paragraph from the Terms and Conditions:
"This web site authorizes you to view, download, and distribute a single copy of the material on this web site solely for your personal, non-commercial use. You may not sell or modify the material or reproduce, display, distribute, or otherwise use the material in any way for any public or commercial purpose without the written permission of the web site owner or original copyright holder. If you would like information about obtaining permission to use any of our material, please contact us. If you are to violate any of these terms, your permission to use the material automatically terminates and you must immediately destroy any copies you have made of the material."
... lead me to finding the book in question. A simple web search will pull up the results.
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xxsoftballxx13x
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Posted: 03:46PM Dec 12, 2011 |
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This is all awful.
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JQPublic
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Posted: 05:47AM Dec 13, 2011 |
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jaycr wrote: The information above, and this paragraph from the Terms and Conditions:
"This web site authorizes you to view, download, and distribute a single copy of the material on this web site solely for your personal, non-commercial use. You may not sell or modify the material or reproduce, display, distribute, or otherwise use the material in any way for any public or commercial purpose without the written permission of the web site owner or original copyright holder. If you would like information about obtaining permission to use any of our material, please contact us. If you are to violate any of these terms, your permission to use the material automatically terminates and you must immediately destroy any copies you have made of the material."
... lead me to finding the book in question. A simple web search will pull up the results.
I don't understand. Are you saying that the book in question actually contains these words? Or are you talking about that strange braingle.us website?
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jaycr
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Posted: 08:27AM Dec 13, 2011 |
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Sorry, the Terms and Conditions were from this web site, Braingle.com.
All I'm saying is that the book was written, the author had every right to do it, and no laws were broken. However, I can see how some people might feel upset.
I know nothing about any other braingle site.
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JQPublic
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Posted: 08:38AM Dec 13, 2011 |
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jaycr wrote: All I'm saying is that the book was written, the author had every right to do it, and no laws were broken. However, I can see how some people might feel upset.
Why? Unless that book was published by Braingle, that wouldn't be legal.
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EMB92
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Posted: 09:21AM Dec 13, 2011 |
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And this brings up an ethical issue. It says braingle.com has the right to use them. If we pretend that I own the website, and I wrote a book in my name (i.e. Ellen B.), is that Braingle or me? Personally, I think it's me I'm representing by writing a book, and not Braingle. Even if it said, by the creator of Braingle, I still think that doesn't make it okay.
Does that make sense? If I owned Braingle, that doesn't necessarily mean I AM Braingle.
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Mathgeek007 
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Posted: 09:33AM Dec 13, 2011 |
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GUYS!
IncreaseYourMind actually ONLY steals riddles from Braingle! Look at them!
IncreaseYourMind
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snowmonster
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Posted: 11:02AM Dec 13, 2011 |
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IncreaseYourMind could have been created by a member here.
As for the terms and conditions of braingle.com, if they have it posted, in plain view (although many of us never read it), that our original work can be used, we ARE basically agreeing to these terms and conditions. Since Braingle.com has the terms and conditions posted, legally, they are not in the wrong, if someone else uses our work. If we don't like this, and did not read the fine print, then it's our loss. On the other hand, if someone decides to use teasers/quizzes that are original, and they make money by doing so, then it's up to the individual to take any action. I don't believe braingle.com can do anything legally. They say not to, but there's no legal threat if anyone should.
Normally, if work is "borrowed", (for non commercial purposes) the one borrowing states where the teaser/quiz comes from. That would be the respectable thing to do. Sites like IncreaseYourMind are giving the impression that they are the authors of the teasers they are posting. IDK. . . . they aren't making money on them, so as far as what I've ready, we've given them permission to do this, through braingle.com's terms and conditions. I think I'm repeating myself. . . . .
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jaycr
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Posted: 01:52PM Dec 13, 2011 |
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This indeed has become a sticky wicket, here's some info on intellectual property. Who owns it?
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Mathgeek007
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Posted: 08:01PM Dec 13, 2011 |
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YouTube Partnership.
IncreaseYourMind could become a partner in the future, and could make money off of it. We then take legal action.
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jaycr
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Posted: 08:24PM Dec 13, 2011 |
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We?
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HarryPutter
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Posted: 09:08PM Dec 13, 2011 |
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They could be (and most likely are) making their money off of Ad Revenues as most sites do.
And I don't think there necessarily needs to be an issue of legality in these cases. It's just an issue of someone taking credit for something you worked hard to make, it's not only deceptive, but incredibly disrespectful to the original author. That's the way I see it 
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snowmonster
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Posted: 10:59PM Dec 13, 2011 |
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And in the end, they know people like us, don't have the time or resources to do anything about it. So . . . . .
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JQPublic
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Posted: 05:51AM Dec 14, 2011 |
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I think it's like this: the copyright of stuff we submit - quizzes, teasers, whatevers - are ours to keep, but by submitting it to Braingle we're giving the Braingle company to use it in whatever way they like, and can't take it back.. That doesn't mean the copyright is Jake's, but it does give him the right to use as the Braingle company.
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snowmonster
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Posted: 09:22AM Dec 14, 2011 |
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Yes, and also, there's very little he can do, if anyone should use anything to make a profit off it, as in collecting all our original teasers, putting them in book form and selling it. But by submitting original work, we are giving braingle the right to use our work in non profit ways
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shawneeo
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Posted: 06:22PM Dec 14, 2011 |
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Yes! I think the way it works is that, if a website or book uses teasers from Braingle, they would have to have permission from Braingle.com/Jake. If someone uses teasers on Braingle for their own personal use, by making ONE copy, that's OK. But if they use teasers on here without Jake's authorization, they are acting illegally. The post says that they must destroy all the copies if they did do that, but, with this disclaimer posted on Braingle about using material from Braingle, legal action could possibly be taken.
But if you post your original teaser on Braingle, Jake can use it however he wants to, including for money, AND, he can make a deal with another site or publisher to let them use anything posted on here. That's the way I understand it. Also, we don't know if these various sites/books DID get permission from Jake, do we?
Anyway, that's how I read it. Some people seemed to think that someone can use material from Braingle for their website without permission from Jake/Braingle, but I don't think that's the case.
And... if a website has advertising, then they ARE making money from the content of the site, such as teasers. Many sites do sell advertising, that's why the owners do it, to make money by selling adspace on their site.
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Mathgeek007
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Posted: 09:43AM Dec 15, 2011 |
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I got a message from IncreaseYourMind:
Hi,
You wrote:" am afraid that I am going to have to report this channel for pladgerism, stealing brain teasers off of w ww(dot)bra ingle(dot)c om. All the things submitted have been taken from that site, and you have been stealing them illegally without author knowledge or consent.
Too bad, but think of your own riddles, or ask for permission...
Riddles, rebus and jokes are copyright free, i use some rebus from braingle.com , from a book i have and from other sites.....if you pay attention, the most of braingle brainteasers can be found in other websites, there is no legal problem with that. Some of braingle brainteasers are copied from other sites and submitted them by his users...
I replied:
True, but putting them on youtube is using it for personal benefit. Using it without consent of the creators is against the law. All of the teasers that you have used have been taken from the site have not been used with the author's knowledge. On Braingle, the site it to share teasers made by you or others. Quite often, the people on Braingle give credit, to share with peiople, but the teasers are copyrighted.
Quote from the Privacy Policy: We may share aggregated information with our partners and advertisers.
This includes teasers, does it not? That means that unless you are a partner with Braingle, then you are stealing copyrighted material. Which, of course, is against the law.
Oh, and what you said "Many Braingle teasers can be found on other websites", that is true, and almopst all of those are taken from Braingle. we do our best to only use original teasers, and it's horrible when that is taken from us.
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