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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 05:54AM May 23, 2012

I thought you were talking about congress. Without a congress, a President is left to make decisions on their own . . . that equals to dictatorship. So, yea, even if the President has to deal with a congress, and they don't give him/her a green light on everything, it's much better than having a President be able to do whatever they wish, answering to no one. That would be dictatorship.

It's your right to think and feel no one else would do a better job than Obama. . . but at some point, you will have to decide who to vote for, or even if to vote. If you choose the latter, do you really have the right to complain? I"d say, not really. And don't take this personally, I feel this way about all who choose not to vote - even family members that I adore.

I think Mitt or R.P. would do a better job than Obama, in many areas. Not all, but enough to vote for either of them. Not necessarily because they are "not" from the democratic party, but because their thinking is more conservative, their views on foreign affairs are more to my liking and their plan to help the economy makes better sense. I don't care for Mitts plan with health care - it's too much like Oblama's - that's one downfall to Mitt. But in other areas, he's better suited for the job. At least I feel this way.


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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 04:00PM May 23, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
Are YOU voting for the person that best represents your party, or the best person for the country? Hmmmm . . . . .


I do not have a party, there is not one group that is best to represent me. My vote will go to the person that best reflects my views, if that person does not win at least my voice has been heard. If you are voting to remove someone from office, I don't believe your true intentions are made clear. The two major parties will continue to believe they are the best option and they will become even more extreme.


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 09:43AM May 24, 2012

Um, if the person in office is not meeting my standards for this position, and I vote for someone I feel is better qualified, don't you think my intentions are crystal clear? I think that's a no brainer. . . . .

Honestly, I cannot say which would do a better job, Romney or Paul, because neither are perfect, on all issues overall, I do not agree with one more than the other - but I do believe one will have more support in votes over the other, come election time. Whether it be Mitt or Ron, IDK, but I will go with the one that can take Obama's job. Why do I feel this way? Because like I said, either one of these men would be a better President than who we have now.

My voice will be heard too . . . .

And in history, there have been democrats I preferred more than some republicans. They just weren't running for President.


Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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PineappleMamaAus

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new Posted: 01:47AM May 27, 2012

I took advantage of early voting for the primaries. Voted for Dr Paul of course. I don't agree with him on everything, but most things. And given his consistent record for decades at least I've a clue what he would do if elected. That's way more than I could say about others.

Of course it's just a bonus that if Paul does well in Texas, after Perry went on record supporting Romney, that Perry will look like a moron... not that he needs any help with that but anything to put a burr under his saddle... in return for the burrs he's put under mine, works for me.


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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 01:17PM May 28, 2012

i agree, Perry doesn't really need any help to look like a moron. in a way it is a good thing he "ran" for president candidate, so the whole nation had a chance to see what a moron he really is. after hiding from the public in the last governators race, rather than come out and debate and face the opposition, it is good to see his stupidity out on the table for all to see.

it is sad, by the way, to see some people still do not understand how the federal government balance of power works, or, does NOT work, in the case of a congressional "leader" being a bonehead of late. the imagination the right has stirred with the childish readaptation of the word "dictator" is pathetic, if one can label outright lies as pitiful at all.

i was sent a comic recently, which stated first, that the steam engine was first thought of while watching a tea kettle cap jump and whistle. secondly, though, it asked if the manure spreader could have come from the viewing of pac funded political ads.


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HarryPutter*ca

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new Posted: 02:07AM May 29, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
....I'm not crazy about Mitt, I'm not in favor of socialism/communism so I do not care for Obama. . . . RP, I think would be ok, but he'll never be elected. . . . . because he's not taken seriously enough....


err...Can anyone explain how Obama is even moderately left-wing when all of his policies have been centre-right so far?


"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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coinjar876tus

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new Posted: 09:42PM May 29, 2012

I think Republicans and democrats should be able to compromise on the debt issue. But I will probably always lean democrat because of the republican views on gay marriage and religion.

With kids you spend the first 2 years of their life teaching them to walk and talk. Then you spend the next 15 years telling them to sit down and be quiet.
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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 09:35PM Jun 1, 2012

What is the party blocking Obama of doing? Going Socialism/communism all the way . . . . . Without the "party" we'd have a dictator.


This is a grand example of the ridiculous lies being shoved out by the Pac funded extremists. It has no basis, no truth, and is certainly promoting paranoia without any reason. It is, in my opinion, pathetic.


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PineappleMamaAus

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new Posted: 01:47AM Jun 6, 2012

No one is going to be 100% in agreement with you on 100% of questions/issues/etc... hello you're different people, with different upbringings, different beliefs, different sexes, different careers, different experiences, different EVERYTHING...

All I really ask of people is that they research and find the candidate that most accurately represents their views (based on whatever) and that they vote for that person.. THAT is an accurate (as possible) representation of our country... to narrow their field of options to two, simply because that's what someone else tells you to do, even if it means betraying everything that is important to you, every value you teach your children... that is NOT being a responsible citizen.

Think, research, vote, and live with it... all I ask. I don't understand why it's so much.


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 09:31AM Jun 8, 2012

**Crystal, now please tell me why . . . . . Ron Paul should be voted for! Voting for someone that is basically done, is throwing away a good vote! Like it or not, the Presidential race is now between 2 people. Obama and Romney. I think we need to focus on these two, vote with our conscience and convictions, and in the end, the people will have spoken. Like it or not, who gets voted in, will be the people's choice. I WONDER. . . . why the heck didn't Rand Paul run instead of his father! He would have had a much better chance.


Rand Paul endorses Romney

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By ALEXANDER BURNS |
6/7/12 9:47 PM EDT

File this under signs the Ron Paul campaign is really, truly over: Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul threw his support tonight to Mitt Romney.

The endorsement came in an appearance on "Hannity," a little less than 24 hours after the elder Paul acknowledged in an email that his delegate total is "not enough to win the nomination."

(PHOTOS: The 25 best quotes from the Ron Paul campaign)

Romney embraced the endorsement in a press release, calling Rand Paul a "leading voice in the effort to scale back the size and reach of government and promote liberty."

"Over the past three and half years, President Obama has made government more and more of a presence in our lives, and Americans can't afford four more years of the same failed policies," Romney said. "As president, I will reform the federal government and make it smaller, simpler, and smarter. I am grateful for Sen. Paul's support and look forward to working with him to get America back on the right track."


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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 01:59PM Jun 8, 2012

Vote for the person you feel is best for the job. Not the second best just so the "worst" will be out of office.
A vote for Romney tells the world that you think he is the best person for the job. There is no place on the ballot to explain your vote.

BTW, "Voting for someone that is basically done, is throwing away a good vote!" FALSE! That kind of thinking is what got us where we are today, two parties, polar opposites, nothing gets done!


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 04:18PM Jun 8, 2012

With who is in the running, he IS! And he's the best bet to beat Oblama! Don't agree with all he says, etc. but more than I do others. Or about just the same as I do R.P. , but Paul doesn't have a chance, so why waste a vote on him. To me, if really want Oblama out of office, vote for the best person to get him out. Unless of course, you don't agree with his policies at all. If you're voting to make a statement, like, Oh I gotta stay true to how I feel about so and so . . . Pfffft. . . . . voting to stay faithful to your candidate can . . . . . only take votes away from someone that can actually win. In this race, I think that's the deal. If R.P. had a fighting chance, I could see supporting him. But he doesn't even have his sons support, so to me, this says he's close to pulling out of the race. For those that have voted for him, your vote is gone. . . . . . .

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 05:05PM Jun 8, 2012

For the last time, your vote is NOT GONE!!!
If there are any first time voters involved in this discussion your vote is very important. Please do not feel pressured to vote for someone you don't agree with.
The only vote that is gone or wasted is the one that was never cast.
Rand Paul is simply kissing up to the Republican party. After all he's gotta make career out of this....


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 06:00PM Jun 8, 2012

Don't you think he'd support his father if he knew he was going to stay in the race? Good grief!

All I'm saying is that if someone is about to bail out of the race, DON"T waste your vote on them! Or if it's obvious they could not possibly win, DON"T vote for them! It's just helping Obama! This is exactly what Ross Perot did. He ran as an independent, I believe. . . . took votes away from the GOP, and bam, the damage was done.


Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 06:34PM Jun 8, 2012

Rand Paul knows that this is his father's last hurrah, so he is making decisions to further his career in politics. I'm not surprised at all that he did this.

Answer me this... What do you think people should do if they don't like what Obama has done, and they don't like what Romney has done in the past? Not vote?

EDIT: You say the damage was done, I say people's voices were heard. I hate to break it to ya, but it's not just about the GOP.


---This message was edited on 07:34PM Jun 8, 2012---

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PineappleMamaAus

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new Posted: 07:54PM Jun 8, 2012

You say hold your nose and pick an evil... anything else is a waste...

But I don't want to be that person who 1, 3, 5 years from now is kicking myself and struggling to explain to Pixie and Kid why in the world *I* put X into office and allowed him to do *insert thing that effects them badly*...

IE Folks who voted for Obama... with all his "Oh it's Hilary who is burning the constitution and would do a mandate, I would never EVER betray our constitution that way"... but once in office first thing was a mandate... that's bad enough, what scares the crap out of me is his NDAA order. That wasn't Congress, Senate, etc nope that was him giving himself infinite power over every single human life inside the borders of this country, including the power to drag someone off and throw them in a dark hole to die with NO evidence, no judge, no warrant, etc needed and NO accountability to anyone.

Now, had I voted for Obama I would be having to explain to my kids why I handed power to a person who would do that... particularly hard to explain when it's your neighbor, friend, or family member who was dragged off...

Everyone makes mistakes, but purposely ignoring your principles... that's just a set up for a lot of guilt, shame, if not outright fear later.

Maybe I won't be on the "winning team"... but I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I had absolutely nothing to do with the atrocities committed.


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 08:09PM Jun 8, 2012

No no no, I did not say hold your nose and pick an evil. What I am saying, for me personally, and this is why Jay thinks I'm speaking only on the behalf of the GOP . . . . . what I am saying for myself, is that if I want Obama out of office, I have to choose who I feel could oust him, from the other side. Naturally, I am hoping that the person capable of doing this deed, is someone I consider a great candidate for President. If not, then someone has a right to ask, . . . . . what if you don't like either side. Then, and only then I'd have to choose the lesser of the two evils, so to speak. I don't believe either man (Oblama and Romney) are "evil". . . . . but I agree more with Romney than I do Obama. Would I be comfortable with Romney being President? Yes. Would he be my first choice? No. But guess what! My first choice is not running! Would R.P. be a good candidate for President? Yes. Problem is that he has less of a chance to beat Obama than Romney. So, what I am saying. . . . is that either Mitt or Ron would make a better President than Obama, but since only one has an actual chance of beating Obama, (Romney) I will vote for him. Good grief. You will not find anyone you agree with completely. There's no one out there! Even my first choice, who is not running, would eventually show me that he and I do not see eye to eye on everything. But that would be ok, because overall, he'd make a great President.

I will be able to sleep quite well, if I know I can vote in someone that would do a better job than the person in office now. This is my goal. . . . and this is my duty. It's not my duty to just vote. It's to vote to get a better President. Can't do that if the person you're voting for hasn't a chance.

As for Rand Paul, he knows his father is more than likely going to pull out of the race, and more than likely endorse Mitt as well. How hard is that to see happening. . . . . .


Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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PineappleMamaAus

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new Posted: 06:34AM Jun 12, 2012

Yeah I hear ya... but given Romney's record I really don't think he'll be all that much different than Obama. Their sponsors seem to agree given the number of donators they have in common... they knew back in '08 that it didn't matter which of them got the post that they would profit. So, at least on the financial end of things, based on who is supporting them (and thus who they owe favors to) they look very similar.

Then there's Romneycare/Obamacare... again too similar for my taste.

Romney's all for more wars, more war spending... Obama has kept/increased that stuff.

Obviously there are SOME differences, but on these coupla biggies... economy, war, health they are eerily similar. Guess it boils down to what's important to you... if it's any of the things they've got in common then you're toast (conscience wise I mean) if you vote for either. However if the most defining thing to you is one of the "smaller" items that they don't agree on, that's the only thing that matters to you, well then it would be a pretty easy choice.

Unfortunately for me it's the biggies that matter most... not that those other things, say BC for instance, aren't HUGELY important (you've seen my rants you know they are very much IMO) but given how messed up our entire economy is right now I just don't think it's something we can afford to focus on for the next four years so I have to choke back my feelings on it and focus. Not easy, but if the whole country tanks it's really not going to matter who does and doesn't have cheap BC.


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Ihmisen*

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new Posted: 11:40PM Jun 16, 2012

HarryPutter wrote:
snowmonster wrote:
....I'm not crazy about Mitt, I'm not in favor of socialism/communism so I do not care for Obama. . . . RP, I think would be ok, but he'll never be elected. . . . . because he's not taken seriously enough....


err...Can anyone explain how Obama is even moderately left-wing when all of his policies have been centre-right so far?


Could someone please answer this question? I, too, am curious.
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JQPublic

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new Posted: 01:22AM Jun 17, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
And he's the best bet to beat Oblama!




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