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Is Chick-Filet just the tip of the iceberg?

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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 07:07PM Aug 2, 2012

Polls are too confining, depending on the wording used and not open to other thoughts, so no poll.

Will the controversy there spill over into other venues, opening up the subject of the public taking sides on the issues of faith and corporate involvement?

They have already been investigated for their hiring practices, managing to squeak by the legality of not hiring non believers by a carefully chosen few words on their documents. The fact it is illegal to discriminate on hiring as a basis of belief will, hopefully, be challenged again in light of their current stance.

This is far more significant than JUST marital laws, it is about some serious basics of the legal limits of corporations to place belief and choice limits on it's workers..

your thoughts???

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dolphingurl12Aus

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new Posted: 01:41AM Aug 3, 2012

Yes, I think this is going to be starting something pretty significant.

I for one have been boycotting Chick-fil-a since before this all came out because they asked my friend is she was Christian in her interview, which is just totally wrong. This pained me greatly because I once enjoyed their food, and there's one conveniently on my college campus (for now anyway. It's a liberal campus who might boycott it into leaving).

But as far as it spreading... I live in a really conservative area (when I'm not at school) and they're building a Chick-fil-a here now. The Wendy's across the street put "We stand with Chick-fil-a" on their sign out front. My chapter of Young Dems called the main franchise, and they made the local one take it down because it didn't reflect the views of the company (ie they didn't want controversy decreasing business). My point is, other franchises don't want to jump into these waters, proving that they are dangerous.

It is just wrong to hire your workers based on their political and religious beliefs, and I hope they're punished for that. It's not illegal for them to hold and donate money to such a hateful cause, but I hope they eventually suffer for that, too.


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 11:24AM Aug 3, 2012

I have a relative that worked at a CFA and although they may ask if a person is Christian or not, (and I'm not sure they did so, in this persons case) doesn't mean they won't hire non Christians. This relative, knew for a fact that many of their fellow employees, were non Christian. It would be against the law to discriminate against anyone for this reason - so I seriously doubt they would refuse to hire anyone that is non Christian. It may be their desire to have mainly Christians work at their establishments, after all, CFA's are Christian based, but it's obvious, according to what I've witnessed, through this relative, that they will hire non Christians.

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RGW4Ausmod

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new Posted: 08:07PM Aug 3, 2012

Having never seen a Chick-Fil-A, I can not speak about their food or what I may have seen in their store in the way of how their employees act. I know in California, you can not ask this question in hiring someone...period. You can not ask if they are married, just like what their religion is. I was a supervisor who did have to hire people and we were given very specific state regulations on what we could ask. Now, if in the course of the interview the interviewee wants to say something about their personal life... its all fine and well. I never wrote anything down that was not relevant to the position.

In response to IO's original request, something like this usually does fall over into other venues. CFA is getting a lot of heat over the stand of their manangement, and I suspect others will "critize" their management to help their own business. People normally do not jump into the fire with other groups when the going gets tough.


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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 09:30PM Aug 3, 2012

Chick fil a, is not the first company to speak out on this issue but for some reason people seem to be very vocal about it.
General Mills has come out in support of gay marriage, and Amazon's founder has pledged 2.5 million in support of gay marriage.
Personally I believe we will see more companies speaking up on this issue, more for it then against it.

General Mills
Amazon


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 11:44PM Aug 3, 2012

And if you wanna boycott these companies, go for it! Just be mature about how you make your statement.

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new Posted: 11:01AM Aug 4, 2012

I noticed chick fil a is advertising here on Briangle.

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new Posted: 09:18PM Aug 4, 2012

You mean the perfect place for a summer snack? Yeah I noticed that too, but you know, unless the owner makes it a policy at his stores, I really feel everybody is entitled to their own beliefs.

I actually looked them up on google for my area, and there are three stores within 15 miles of me. One of them I actually have probably driven by, as it is on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood. I just never noticed them. Of course, I usually do not eat lunch, so I normally don't look at food places very closely because I have no interest in stopping to eat.


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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 12:45PM Aug 5, 2012

RG you got me wondering so I checked for locations near me. There are 3 chick fil a's in all of Minnesota, no wonder I hadn't heard of them.
And I agree, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
Here's what I don't understand, why it is news that people are boycotting the place? This is a very controversial subject, you can't expect to take a stand on a subject like this without others voicing their opinions on it.


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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 12:47PM Aug 5, 2012

the history of legal battles between individuals who were NOT hired (and also answered the "are you christian" question when asked with something they figured unsatisfactory to company policy) is NOT new news. the media is too narrow in focus to be willing to show the overall picture of their arrogant policy ways.

RGW4, yes, it is illegal in state AND federal laws, but as we must accept, legalities are only as good as the results of litigation and policing by agencies involved when they are ignored or challenged. no one is prevented from doing it, they are just threatened with reaction when they do. it is the more realistic viewpoint of laws i speak to, they are there to keep the path for those who DO care, and provide a punishment basis for those who ignore the path in spite of the laws.

these suits were based on one on one interviews. there was no proof, ergo the written policy of the company was investigated and it was not specifically addressed. (this according to articles in the news a few years back) that this group continues their prejudices is not surprising.

some have defended the ceo's right to make the statement. i do, too, BUT i believe strongly he needed to speak "for himself", instead of pretending to represent the thinking of all the employees of his firm and it's franchise members. that was stupid, plainly and simply stupid.

if you wanna boycott these companies, go for it! Just be mature about how you make your statement


who shall define mature?? the laws of our land? some moral clutch of self minded self appointed individuals? the public through news surveys biased in whichever way they want to spin it? websters???
our best dictionaries cannot keep up with the distortions placed on this word from high minded viewpoints.


poor chic fil a, they are standing out there in the limelight imagining they are put upon, while the whole time they have actually stood up and loudly condemned individual choice and pretend they are a collective of individuals by way of employment. if this does not clearly represent corporate illegality, nothing does. sadly, these are tough times, and the employment loss from standing up to this bully is not worth it, apparently. i refuse to believe he is correct, that the employees as a whole agree with his obvious bias.

BEYOND chic fil a , are we seeing an uprising of the fundamentalist right, standing up and pretending to have the ability to define what is and is not acceptable, in an effort to further divide the population for the sake of promotion of those with faith over the rest of the "heathens"

jaycr, i am pleased, personally, to hear the news of General Mills and Amazon... other facets of this are certainly needed, to exemplify the breadth of the subject, rather the narrowness of emphasis on this cfa fanatic.

this IS an iceberg, floating beneath the view, of demands to be placed on the public that it will be their way, by god, in a wholely inclusive sense of the phrase.


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new Posted: 11:54PM Aug 5, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
I have a relative that worked at a CFA and although they may ask if a person is Christian or not, (and I'm not sure they did so, in this persons case) doesn't mean they won't hire non Christians. This relative, knew for a fact that many of their fellow employees, were non Christian. It would be against the law to discriminate against anyone for this reason - so I seriously doubt they would refuse to hire anyone that is non Christian. It may be their desire to have mainly Christians work at their establishments, after all, CFA's are Christian based, but it's obvious, according to what I've witnessed, through this relative, that they will hire non Christians.


If they aren't taking the answer to that question into consideration, then why ask it? Why should it matter? They are clearly asking for a reason, and it must be beyond mere curiosity. As RG noted, it's illegal is some states to even ask it at all.

Chick-fil-a is more predominant in the southern part of the United States. There's one on my campus and one in the town my school is in, one in every mall I've been to in North Carolina, and they're building one in my home town right now. Their Southernness explains why they're so conservative. They aren't open on Sundays, for example. I actually never reaiized that a lot of people had never even heard of it until all this came out.


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 12:30AM Aug 6, 2012

I'm in Ohio, and there are plenty in my state, so they are North as well. I suppose they ask the question because they are Christian based. They do not however discriminate against anyone who wishes to work there or eat there.

There are many businesses, corporations, etc. that say they are pro this pro that, who have donated money to help in this way or that - it's been going on for years. If you do not like where a franchise or business stands on an issue, then do not do business with them. You have that right - as they have their right to feel as they do. No biggie. How many businesses donate money to pro gay groups that we're not aware of, and unknowingly help support? IDK, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Girl Scouts and Planned Parenthood have partnered. Should that bother me? Yea - it should bother anyone who feels all the money the Girl Scouts make - should go to or towards the girl scouts ONLY - but it doesn't. Will this stop me from buying cookies from my niece? No. Did it stop me from allowing my daughter to be a Scout? No. Why? Because the benefits of girls experiencing the scouts outweighs my negative feelings on planned parenthood. I'd rather not contribute one cent to abortions - through PP, but in a sense, if I buy cookies, I am contributing. But we all have to pick and choose our battles - and I'm not getting as bent out of shape over it as some. To me, this is how peeps should view large corporations - if it bothers you, boycott them. If it doesn't - then don't.


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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 04:05AM Aug 6, 2012

They do not however discriminate against anyone who wishes to work there or eat there.



and that is known to be true...HOW??? is there anywhere on this earth proof of this? of course there isn't.

that is just wishful thinking.

getting back to the actual topic, is this just the beginning of the newest phase of the side of faith (with a specific one in the lead) versus those who follow other faiths or no faith beliefs at all? this is a phase where corporate misrepresentation by an individual is somehow justified as if it were a freedom of speech.

this is now only one of three corporations that we have discussed that have decided to take sides on a subject of controversy, the specific one here is marital status by same gender individuals. we already have a world where christianity seperates itself from the worship of all other dieties, or the worship of none, in a way which is notably self serving.

is this division in public viewpoint exemplified by this corporate tie ins, or does this simply make for a new battle ground of an old old issue? perhaps only time will tell.

the little fellow that trundles up and down the street with "the world is coming to an end" sign will one day promote advertising on his banner, as well, signifying those corporations that side with him in his endeavor to spread the doom and gloom among the masses.

how far will we go dividing our companies into sides opposed to each other?

some cars on the road have fish symbols on them, some trade journals and technical manuals do, as well. so far i haven't seen any document with a fish with legs and shoes, though i have seen some cars with them. fortunately, the car company isn't putting it there, the owner of the car is. THAT is freedom of speech, not companies representing their entire manpower en masse as one thinking (or non-thinking, as the case may be) viewpoint.

if, in the current subject of controversy, if 99 percent of the public liked chic fil a and ate there, does that in any way at all place any reasonable limitations of the remaining 1 percent to conduct their lives as they see fit and appropriate? since this is NOT a law, just bravado with a podium, then there is NO such limitation at all.

yet this bravado with a podium is quite likely to expand to other subjects, as well, if my guess is correct.


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 10:02AM Aug 6, 2012

Not to try and lead this topic in another direction, but you have no problem, it seams, with corporations working with/financially helping planned parenthood, etc., not caring whether their employees agree or not. Why is this not a problem? This is where a persons freedom of speech or freedom of beliefs are in question. It's ok for Girl Scouts to work in conjunction with planned parenthood, although many of it's employees would rather not have any association with planned parenthood. . . . . and the moneys made should go to or towards the girl scouts only . . . . . . to you, this is perfectly fine. But for a corporation such as CFA to practice their freedom of speech, belief and freedom to financially back whoever or whatever they wish - it's a problem? Why is this one sided? Freedom of speech, etc. pertains to all Americans. You talk about this being the tip of the iceburg . . . . . this iceburg's been floating around for years - years of Americans free to speak their mind, free to practice their choice religion, and free to use their money on what they see fit.

Tell me this - A book store that is Christian based - does it have a right to take a stand on such issues, whether they voice them or not? If it's a Christian book store, more than likely, their feelings on ssm are the same as CFA's. . . . . . so in your mind, are all Christian based businesses, etc. wrong in their beliefs? Their stand on issues? CFA is a Christian based restaurant. I know this is out of the norm, but they are free to be this. Are you looking to take the freedoms of those considered Christian away? Is this the tip of the iceburg? Would the next step be to dictate how and what church's believe and practice?

As for CFA not discriminating when it it comes to hiring and serving the community, I can only go by what has been shared with me, through a family member. I certainly cannot speak for all restaurants, but if they run a tight ship, all are operated in the same manner.


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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 04:23PM Aug 6, 2012

The Boy Scouts of America are feeling some heat because of their recent decision.

Boy Scouts

EDIT: The Daily Show had a very funny skit about this very topic. I will not post a link here, but it aired July 30th.


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new Posted: 10:38PM Aug 6, 2012

There are some really good points about this going on. I agree that the CEO sort of stepped over a line and made it sound like CFA was anti-gay, and he should not have done that. Dolphingurl has a friend who was asked if she was a Christian and now she boycots them, Snowmonster has a relative who worked there and though she is not sure if they asked if they were a Christian or not, they saw nothing wrong, and IO is thinking that if 99% of the population likes CFA, what does the 1% mean to the equation. Did I get this right? lol... my point is that we know everyone has an opinion... and I am enjoying the comments on this.

Like I said, not ever going to a CFA, I can not tell you if I would go there after I knew if they "violated" the law by what they were looking for in an employee or not; nor would I boycott one on the same premise (ok, in this case boycotting is easy beings I don't go there anyway!).

I sort of like IO's thoughts... if I was in the 99% that liked them because their food was good, would I continue. Yep. Sorry folks, but as long as the food itself is not tainted, if it is good, I can overlook one man's way of life and thinking, even if he is the CEO, even if I disagreed with it. I have a problem right now with one food chain where their employees like to walk on their lettuce to make it taste better!

I am a Christian, I do believe in traditional man/woman marriages but I also have that side of me where I can accept same sex marriages. I can stand on the fence and honestly say that it doesn't matter that much to me in the long run. I feel the same way about abortions, but let's not go there on this topic. This really becomes that line of where one person feels ok about a situation, and where someone else feels like the end of the world is about to come because there is so much sin in the world., it has to do with how we were raised or how we feel about the world we live in.

I still like my chicken... where's the best place to get it? I think that sums up my opinion on this CEO's position best.


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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 01:15PM Aug 7, 2012

when one wants to compare apples and oranges, one shouldn't confine the search for information to the apple orchard.


voluntary groups have no comparison to corporate employment institutions for profit, and as a corporation, they do not represent the individuals who work for them, ONLY the holders of the purse strings UNLESS the individual worked takes a verbal stand. this could not be more obvious!


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new Posted: 08:38PM Aug 7, 2012

As far as extending this principal to boycotting other establishments based on the political agendas they support, I will definitely pay more attention to where my money is going from now on.

I do care what the CEO's opinion is because he uses my money to support organizations I detest. I cannot sleep soundly at night if I know I helped support an organization that tries to "fix" homosexuals at camps, which Chick-fil-a does. I plan on looking into what other places I buy from send their money.

It's short-sighted to only think about the immediate product in front of you. Perhaps that chicken sandwich is good, but at what cost? The cost matters. In a free market economy, every dollar is a vote. When you help a company, that company and everything it stands for is that much bolstered. I want to spend my votes in places that shape a world I like. Even if you agree with Chick-fil-a's ideology, there are other companies you might not want to support even though their product is good quality.


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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 12:53PM Aug 8, 2012

RGW4... One food chain "walks on it's lettuce" to make it taste better????

YUK!

which one is this? (subliminal mickyd's assumptions)

that "floors " me, and i have seen those floors. YUK again.

i have seen videos of using the armpit to flatten out the burger patties before. Is this similar?

That is certainly the pits...


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