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Is Chick-Filet just the tip of the iceberg?

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RGW4Ausmod

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new Posted: 02:31PM Aug 8, 2012

IO, it was Burger King. It was done by a couple employees who thought it was cute and posted it on "4chan" (not sure what this site is about) without their names or faces shown; but failed to understand how easy it was for some people to trace it to its origin and used GPS to do so. They were fired... this was not a practice Burger King condones!

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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 06:10PM Aug 8, 2012

rgw4 - dummies with vidcams and a desire to lose their job have become more common. sad it was shown at all.
i retract my negative assumption about mickyd's...

yes, i got off topic..

there should be a clearing house for corporate attitudes in a public sense, so we can pick and choose by what the ceo wants to toss our burger money at. then we can pick and choose. the future of american business based on what the whims of a single individual are sounds ok with me. THEREIN lies the iceberg, below our view at the moment. there SHOULD be such a major list, with detail gathering by reasonable means and an open forum for correction or negative or positive commentaries at the site of the clearing house, not the site of the corporate cheeses themselves. that should take out the bias wherein corporate speaks "for" the workers, as if they really could.

i agree with dolphingirl in the sense that i don't want money i spend at a company to be utilized by a ceo type to fund his favorite cause unless i specificallty agree with the cause,


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koin_era345tus

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new Posted: 10:01PM Aug 8, 2012

There's been some good conversation here. My thoughts is that either a) it was a marketing scheme or b) the CEO is a devout anti-gay who can't help but try to convince people of his point. If the former, my understanding is that it failed. After all, I've seen way more people (not only here) saying they are boycotting CFA than saying they will go more often. If the latter, I can understand boycotting if, as dolphin said, they give the money you pay them to such organizations. On the other hand, if it's just their views and nothing else, whatever.

Them asking for an applicant's religion is a completely seperate topic. It is way out of line even if they say they don't discriminate. What other reason do they have for asking?

Just my thoughts.


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new Posted: 11:28PM Aug 9, 2012

Personally, I would rather have the CEO's opinions out in the open so I can decide where to spend my consumer dollar. The only time I have ever been in Walmart was on a cross country trip in Cody, WY and I had a serious attack of the poops. Yes, I went in, but to blow out the bathroom was so totally worth it. I still boycott Shell Gas stations becuase of their stand on apartheid in the 80s. My vote and my consumer dollars are the two best way of taking action on a daily basis.

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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 06:57PM Aug 10, 2012

You guys got me thinking - so I asked a friend who's a manager of a chic fil A in our local Mall. She said they are not allowed to ask a person about their religious beliefs, and they do hire non Christians, and in fact, have several working at her restaurant now. Just thought I'd share.

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new Posted: 08:19PM Aug 10, 2012

If they are discriminating, they aren't going to admit it to you when you ask...

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jaycr*us

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new Posted: 08:39PM Aug 10, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
and they do hire non Christians, and in fact, have several working at her restaurant now.

I wonder how they know the religious affiliation of their workers without asking..?


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 10:21PM Aug 10, 2012

First of all, she was saying that in general, chic fil A restaurants are not allowed to ask about a persons religious beliefs, etc. and why should she lie to me? She knows I have nothing against the restaurants.

Jay - as for your question, when you work closely with peeps you tend to get to know them. I"m sure she is going by conversations, etc. that she's had with her employees - You really don't have to ask, a persons beliefs, etc. can come up in casual conversation, etc. If employees stay with one establishment long enough, they can become close enough to talk about personal issues, such as religion, politics, etc.

I only brought this up because I figured I'd ask someone that would actually know. This brings into question the incident dolphingurl's friend dealt with. If her friend was asked if she/he were a Christian, then that restaurant was in the wrong. Period. No excuse for that. Hopefully, it was an isolated incident. . . .


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new Posted: 10:46PM Aug 10, 2012

Here's an interesting article about Chick-fil-a's history of dubious hiring practices. It is not illegal for them to ask people if they're Christian (because the restaurants are run by independent contractors--a loophole), but it is illegal to hire based off the answer. And it's really hard to imagine that it doesn't play a role; why would you even ask if you weren't using the answer as part of your decision making process?

From the article:

"Chick-fil-A, the corporate parent, has been sued at least 12 times since 1988 on charges of employment discrimination, according to records in U.S. District Courts. Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, sued the company in 2002 after Latif, a Muslim, says he was fired a day after he didn't participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program in 2000. The suit was settled on undisclosed terms."

My friend's experience was definitely not an isolated incident. Chick-fil-a does some shady stuff to promote their "Biblical message."


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snowmonsterAusmod

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new Posted: 11:46PM Aug 10, 2012

How can it be shady when they are upfront about being Christian based? It's not like they are hiding this from the public. I'd say, since this restaurant has been around since 1967, with over a thousand restaurants up and running, more than likely, their stand on certain issues have been the same from the start. Also, more than likely, over the years, there has been mistakes made - such as asking potential employees what their religious beliefs were. Not saying all were doing this, but some, I can see it happening. And I'm sure there were some that were really trying to push the Christian theme too far. . . . . No, I'm not defending such actions, but I think, from the time they started, they've learned what they can do and not do with their "Christian" based themed restaurants, and more importantly, what they should do. I think it's fine to be "Christian" based, but a business cannot discriminate in any way, shape or form. Have they in the past? Looks like they have, but that doesn't mean as a whole, they try to avoid hiring non Christians, etc. There's too much evidence suggesting CFA restaurants do hire non Christians and certainly do not discriminate in serving all.

As for the Muslim who says he was fired for not praying at a company training program . . . . . if there's no proof, there's no reason to believe he was actually fired for this. Oh, and apparently he was a "non Christian' employee. If they did fire him because of this, then shame on them - but if the suit was settled on undisclosed terms, I'd have to say, I need more evidence to show me he was actually fired for this reason.


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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 12:59PM Aug 13, 2012



I agree with what you said. "from the time they started" but i recognize it is from the time they started getting flack for their practices, and have learned to skirt the issue, legally. No one in their right mind could possibly think they avoid that issue altogether.

As stated, "as a whole" they have changed their ways. as a whole, they managed to skirt the legal accusations in court, and to do that and THEN stand up and represent the workers en masse is NOT a sign of change, it is a sign of bravado.

Believe what you want to; far be it from us to point out the stories in the news and the accusations and pretend in any way they are right or correct. Obviously word of mouth second or third hand from a singular employee says it all.

back to my point re the ceo, and the tip of the iceberg... if the muckitymuck of a company is allowed to speak for his people, then he must first hire people who agree, or lie and expect their loyalty/fear/anxiety to prevent being challenged. The constitution does NOT give freedom of speech to individuals to stand up and speak FOR OTHER individuals, and it never did.

if it is alright for this individual to PRETEND to represent all the people who work for him, then this will become the norm, and all companies will be signed up on one side or the other on a lot of issues based upon the word and bravado of a singular muckitymuck in charge.

i really don't care what anyone else believes, as long as they don't push it on me, or misrepresent me to others.


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new Posted: 10:45AM Aug 21, 2012

I'm sure there are people that work for companies that support ssm, or abortion or whatever. . . . and they completely disagree. They realize that they, as individuals, have their own way of thinking, and it has nothing to do with the business they work for. No biggie. If they are convicted in not working for a particular company, etc. because of where this company stands on issues . . . . they have a right to walk away from that job, and seek employment elsewhere. No one is forcing them to work there, and certainly, no one tried to prevent them from working there either. I think most people realize that this is how it is.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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idiot_originalA

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new Posted: 06:53PM Aug 25, 2012

True, if they are "misrepresented" they have a right to become unemployed and find a place to work where the management doesn't speak for the hired help or even expect them to let them speak for them.
Hooray for the freedom to express that right. Of course, the unemployment that creates will be blamed on Obama (snicker)
I doubt most people realize how significant that is, that this freedom to disagree has such obvious outs as simply resigning.
Obviously this is the simple solution to what has been so eloquently declared a non-problem. Well said!

late note: Way to go, Oreo!

Harry, put your comment here, too!


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snappytom*

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new Posted: 06:58AM Dec 17, 2012

Not being familiar with the Chck Fil franchise, I'd say if the owner wants to state he is against something, so be it.
He can talk about his beliefs until the cows come home [Hehehe! Get it?]
I am not sure HOW he put his views across or why. However, if someone is offended by his views, simply don't go there. Spend your money somewhere else. Loss of revenue will speak volumes if that is the case.

However, if you go there for the chicken...go there for the chicken.

I don't get why people think that their view is of the utmost importance. If you disagree with me, so be it.
I'll still believe what I believe and you all can do the same.

Maybe there is more to this than I can see.


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