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celticherotus

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new Posted: 07:28PM Jun 27, 2013

Zimmermann stand accused of second-degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, allegedly in a fight. This case is intensely controversial for several reasons.

Martin is black, Zimmermann is Hispanic/white.

Martin was unarmed.

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" policy.

Pictures indicate blood and bruises on the back of Zimmermann's head.

Zimmermann was told by police/911 operators to stop following Martin.


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RGW4Ausmod

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new Posted: 08:41PM Jun 27, 2013

So, what are you looking for in your posting here? I doubt anyone would disagree that there are controversial points in the case, but the fact remains, Zimmermann is innocent until proved guilty. Are you hoping to open a second trial here on Braingle? Probably not fully warranted, as the info you stated may not be all of the information available to the prosecution/defense lawyers.

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celticherotus

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new Posted: 08:48PM Jun 27, 2013

The forum is a current events forum. I was simply stating a current event in case someone was interested,

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extremebluenesscus

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new Posted: 06:41PM Jul 13, 2013

But hasn't this been going on since November? Its hardly 'current' anymore.

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celticherotus

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new Posted: 07:37PM Jul 13, 2013

It's the actual trial portion.

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RGW4Ausmod

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new Posted: 09:08PM Jul 13, 2013

Not guilty

So now the question is... will there be riots?

The family of Trayvon Martin have said that they will accept the verdict. How will others? I think it may be considered questionable, but I also feel he was not-guilty... but I felt this on a borderline opinion. Bottom line, I am okay with the verdict.


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celticherotus

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new Posted: 09:12PM Jul 13, 2013

The way the trial went, not guilty was the only acceptable verdict. I hope people realize that the result wasn't based of race, it was based of an extremely well done effort by defense attorneys.

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HarryPutter*ca

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new Posted: 09:32PM Jul 13, 2013

More like a poor job by the prosecution. He was definitely guilty, but the evidence was seriously lacking which meant there was a lot of doubt. I bet the jurors would have went for manslaughter with more evidence, even though this case seemed to obviously be 2nd degree murder. Too bad.

I wonder how many other paranoid gun wielding maniacs err... "neighborhood watch" volunteers will see this case as a free pass for their vigilantism.


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new Posted: 09:42PM Jul 13, 2013

HarryPutter wrote:
I wonder how many other paranoid gun wielding maniacs err... "neighborhood watch" volunteers will see this case as a free pass for their vigilantism.


Seriously? You're bringing the gun issue into this? An abundance of guns (where 99% of the population has guns) actually decreases the crime rate. For more information, see the 30 Days episode Gun Nation.


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HarryPutter*ca

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new Posted: 10:00PM Jul 13, 2013

You're bringing the gun issue into this, I just said paranoid gun-wielding maniacs. Not all people who own guns ara paranoid maniacs....unless YOU think they are

But that statistic you cited is obvious NRA propaganda. You keep believing that


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extremebluenesscus

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new Posted: 10:28PM Jul 13, 2013

Sorry. I misinterpreted you. The quote marks kinda threw me off.

And technically, everything is propaganda. literally everything, as everything we say or do has a rhetorical purpose. now if you want to continue this, please PM me.


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new Posted: 04:01PM Jul 14, 2013

Or just head over here...

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HarryPutter*ca

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new Posted: 06:24PM Jul 14, 2013

True that, cj

Anyway, let's just hope the same moral injustice doesn't occur with the Jordan Davis/Michael Dunn case where something similar happened. Racist, paranoid gun-wielding maniac shoots an unarmed teen in Florida after perceiving a non-existent threat, and then claiming he acted in "self-defense". I'd be seriously fearful if I were a black teen in Florida if he escapes any retribution as well. However, in this case there are actually living witnesses that can attest to how trigger happy a bigot can be.

Though a simpler solution would be to just make it harder for paranoid maniacs to obtain firearms, but that is heresy in the USA


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celticherotus

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new Posted: 08:33PM Jul 14, 2013

HarryPutter wrote:
True that, cj

Anyway, let's just hope the same moral injustice doesn't occur with the Jordan Davis/Michael Dunn case where something similar happened. Racist, paranoid gun-wielding maniac shoots an unarmed teen in Florida after perceiving a non-existent threat, and then claiming he acted in "self-defense". I'd be seriously fearful if I were a black teen in Florida if he escapes any retribution as well. However, in this case there are actually living witnesses that can attest to how trigger happy a bigot can be.

Though a simpler solution would be to just make it harder for paranoid maniacs to obtain firearms, but that is heresy in the USA


That case is blatant non self-defense homicide. Obviously pushing your gun agenda on a website from another country isn't working out to well for you.


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new Posted: 08:36PM Jul 14, 2013

My account's only a week and a half old, so I haven't had time to get positive karma yet.

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HarryPutter*ca

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new Posted: 08:40PM Jul 14, 2013

I don't have a gun agenda I have an anti-racist agenda. Look up the case of Marissa Alexander and tell me Florida isn't racist.

And those cases are similar because they were both unnecessary and motivated by (unstable racists) racial profiling. I already told you that I ultimately agree with the verdict on the Zimmerman case in terms of the law, so your point is an irrelevance since that wasn't what I was talking about.


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celticherotus

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new Posted: 08:47PM Jul 14, 2013

There's evidence she was the aggressor and there were kids at risk. It's not like Marissa was shooting at white people and condemned before a trial. She rejected a plea deal and committed stupid and unnecessary endangerment.

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new Posted: 09:19PM Jul 14, 2013

Or she was "standing her ground", like Zimmerman was

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celticherotus

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new Posted: 09:19PM Jul 14, 2013

Zimmerman didn't even use that defense. If you paid attention to trial and not convict him beforehand, you would know that.

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new Posted: 09:24PM Jul 14, 2013

That was the initial reason they let him off There had to be public outrage to even have him held to account, whereas blacks aren't given that benefit. Though that may be an extreme case, so maybe I shouldn't generalize.

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