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The Werewolf Game #2798

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 6 rounds.

Discussion of Round #3

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fishstic


Posted: 10:13PM Nov 18, 2012

Hmmmm ... gonna ponder this one a while ... there are so many possibilities.
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30angel100tus


Posted: 11:51PM Nov 18, 2012

I'm going to go for another inactive. Are there any still?

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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Gbdf*sg


Posted: 11:52PM Nov 18, 2012

Well, I saw all the results for the 1st and 2nd round.

Good luck in the 3rd round!
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30angel100tus


Posted: 11:54PM Nov 18, 2012

Woof123 is the most inactive. Going to vote.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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Izzie*


Posted: 12:55AM Nov 19, 2012

tin tin wrote:
I think 30angel100 is the seer any one agree???? I could be wrong.
if you think that she is the seer, why are you voting for her
are you a wolf?


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EliosAus


Posted: 08:19AM Nov 19, 2012

Gbdf wrote:
Well, I saw all the results for the 1st and 2nd round.

Good luck in the 3rd round!
Oh, hey, our Mod! Glad to have you. Are you going to tell us the identities of those we've shot so far...?

30angel100 wrote last round:
Wow. I make a post, and everyone votes with me. This game is weird like that.
If you keep finding the Inactives first, and we keep deciding to vote them out, then yes - we're gonna vote with you.

That being said, I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for yet. I suppose one more round spent on eliminating Inactives is ok, but I'm pretty sure at least one of our Wolves is playing. Our voting has been pretty solid; except for a few players, we've got a pretty active crew here.


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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30angel100tus


Posted: 08:40AM Nov 19, 2012

Well, since two people voted for Tintin, and I like when rounds don't time out, I think I will change my vote. Sorry Tintin.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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Izzie*


Posted: 08:56AM Nov 19, 2012

i just want to know why if tintin thinks you are the seer she is voting for you
until she answers, my vote is staying on her


˙ǝızzı(p) ¿y ahora? the new refrigerator came. If you need me, i will be playing in the box.
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fishstic


Posted: 09:37AM Nov 19, 2012

I'm not sure if I'm making the right decision on this, but I had two suspects going into this round, and Tintin was one of them ...
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YuffieAus


Posted: 09:53AM Nov 19, 2012

tin tin wrote:
I think 30angel100 is the seer any one agree???? I could be wrong.


Aren't we supposed to keep the identity of the seer secret? Because if it's ever revealed who it is, the wolves will eat him/her?

When I first got on, I saw that Tintin was being voted on but no one has said why. So, after some thought, here's why _I_ am voting this way: Tin Tin is 'in the game' but not really active - she only posts once per round - first round where she said she was kinda new to the game & then that 30Angel100 is the seer and now she's aiming to shoot the person she clearly stated she believed to be seer. She hasn't logged in today yet, but it will be interesting to see if she can talk her way out of that mess... Is that where everyone else is coming from? I don't like to blindly follow the crowd, but if there's good evidence against someone, I'd love to hear it!

And I'd vote 30Angel100 as a wolf, since she's the most "aggressive" in choosing someone to shoot, but she's using the same tactics I would; shoot the inactives until you have proof.

The seer would be able to see 2 players at this point right? (They can divine after they vote on each round) So unless s/he saw two humans that weren't under suspicion, is it possible that our seer is an inactive? I've not seen any hints left in people's posts so far...

Agreeing with the majority and voting for Tintin


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Izzie*


Posted: 10:25AM Nov 19, 2012

yuffie - that is why i voted for tin tin.
i never really was trying to get a majority on her


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Izzie*


Posted: 12:59PM Nov 19, 2012

i changed my vote for now
ONLY to give tin tin a chance to explain her reasoning


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EliosAus


Posted: 02:16PM Nov 19, 2012

fishstic wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm making the right decision on this, but I had two suspects going into this round, and Tintin was one of them ...
Suspects based on what (if you don't mind my asking)? Did you suspect Tintin because of her weird post from the end of last round...?

This is Tintin's very first Werewolf game. I think it likely she slipped up, perhaps making the mistake that the Wolves should/could post in here about their actions. OR she doesn't understand the roll of Seer (a misunderstanding of the term "seer protect vote"? LOL).

I'm going to refrain from voting for now. As Izzie is doing, I'd like to delay ending the round for a bit until Tintin can come on to reply. (Please don't take this as my being against a vote for her; it's just a player courtesy.)


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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30angel100tus


Posted: 04:02PM Nov 19, 2012

I'm curious, what does a seer do? I'm still kind of new-ish.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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EliosAus


Posted: 04:46PM Nov 19, 2012

The Seer works for the Human team by "divining" the identities of the other players (Human or Wolf). The Seer wants to find the Wolves so that they can help the Humans shoot them, and that's why the Wolves want to eat the Seer.

Each Day round, the Seer votes twice: one vote is for who they would like to shoot (just like the other humans' votes), and the other vote is for who they would like to know the identity of. (Note: The Seer must vote to shoot someone in order for their divining vote to work.)

At the start of the next Day round, the game will tell the Seer if the person they divined was a Human or a Wolf. The Seer should refrain from just blurting out the identity of the person they divined, and instead should try to guide the other Humans to shoot them either by subtle hints or by leaving clues in their posts. Unless the Seer has divined all of the wolves in the game, s/he shouldn't let his/her identity be known.

Hope that helps!


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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YuffieAus


Posted: 04:50PM Nov 19, 2012

Izzie wrote:
yuffie - that is why i voted for tin tin.
i never really was trying to get a majority on her


I understood that's why YOU voted for her, but you weren't the only one voting that way; in fact, you were the only one who voted for her to say WHY you were voting for her. (edit to add: Fishtic said Tintin was a suspect, but not why but 30Angel100 did say she was voting that way in hopes of a majority) I was just trying to add to the conversation

30angel100 wrote:
I'm curious, what does a seer do? I'm still kind of new-ish.


Just a refresher for everyone, this is taken straight from the Rules of the Game:



Seer
One of the Humans is a powerful Seer who can divine the identity of one player per day. During the day the Seer may select one player to magically identify. If the Seer survives the night, they will be given the identity of that player during the next morning.

The Seer votes along with everyone else. If the Seer is eaten, they are out of the game and their divining abilities are no longer available.


The Seer is on the side of the humans - as long as they vote, they can divine a player, to see if they are a human or a werewolf. They are NOT supposed to "come out" as a seer b/c the werewolves will definitely eat him/her and then the humans have no way (other than trial and error) to decide who's a wolf. To protect the seer (because they HAVE to vote to divine someone), it is encouraged that everyone vote - otherwise it would look suspicious if only one person kept voting =P

The Werewolves will want to get rid of the Seer, since that's a definite way that they could be caught - and there's no talking your way out of that one!

I will keep my vote on Tintin - she needs to know she's under suspicion and if we all stop voting for her, she may not feel the need to explain her actions.


EDIT TO ADD: Sorry, Elios! Looks like you responded while I was still typing my response


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30angel100tus


Posted: 04:59PM Nov 19, 2012

Okay. Thanks to both Elios and Yuffie. Expository writing gives me a headache sometimes, and as it turned out, when I read the rules was probably one of those times.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 05:01PM Nov 19, 2012

Not a problem, Angel! I know the feeling

Anyone notice that Karane is voting for Tintin but has NEVER spoken up before (even in round 0) and has never voted before? This is the first time she's done anything active in the game - think she was following the majority vote? (it's possible she didn't log on for the start of the game, it was in limbo for a while)

That's just a bit odd to me... Keeping my vote on Tintin, but feeling odd about Karane... wish I had been keeping track of people's logging info...


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30angel100tus


Posted: 05:35PM Nov 19, 2012

I agree. I think we should look into her next.

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Izzie*


Posted: 06:39PM Nov 19, 2012

have you ever felt as if you were being stalked?
tintin
anyways . . . tin tin was here, voted but had no comment
maybe my vote will go back on her


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Tintin


Posted: 06:41PM Nov 19, 2012

I've been inactive because I was with my realatives and my kid cousin stole my laptop to just to clear that up. Hey by the way I didn't mean to vote for angel but I accadentaly did.

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30angel100tus


Posted: 06:54PM Nov 19, 2012

An accident is understandable, but even so, I am still a little suspicious of you.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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fishstic


Posted: 07:44PM Nov 19, 2012

I suspected Tintin before this round, because last round I notived she logged in and did not vote when we had a majority on an inactive, which made me wonder if she was protecting a fellow wolf (Lucifer). Combining that with the seer remark and then immediately voting for that person first thing this round is what made me vote for her.
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30angel100tus


Posted: 08:35PM Nov 19, 2012

If you are right, and both Lucifer and Tintin are werewolves, Acorrding to the rules (which I decided to review after I was told what a seer is) Then we should only have to find out the identity of one more. That can't be too hard.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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Izzie*


Posted: 08:49PM Nov 19, 2012

but there is no way of knowing unless the games ends
because it looks like the mod is not telling


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30angel100tus


Posted: 08:54PM Nov 19, 2012

I think the risk is worth it. And how fun would it be if we knew the identity of everyone we shot? It would make this game so easy a caveman could do it. Any takers? No? I'll let myself out.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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fishstic


Posted: 09:13PM Nov 19, 2012

I have no idea if it's right, it's just a suspicion, but that is what this game is all about. I'm still wavering as to whether to go after someone who is at least present for the game or to keep going after inactives.
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30angel100tus


Posted: 10:02PM Nov 19, 2012

You know, I just thought of something. You can always vote for inactives. And if we skip a round, there's always the chance an inactive is a seer, and they become active. (You can tell I'm an insomniac if you are in the EST timezone )

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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Izzie*


Posted: 10:30PM Nov 19, 2012

its barely 11:30pm. that does not make an insomniac -at least not in my book.

knowing things some times make the game more fun, but there has to be more active players for that kind of game.
there are only three very inactive players 16, 9, and 8 days.

i will probably be changing my vote in the morning
especially if i get another PM from tin tin


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  Post from 30angel100 deleted on 2012-11-19 23:52:10.
YuffieAus


Posted: 11:23PM Nov 19, 2012

Usually the mod is more active in these games - knowing if we shot a werewolf/human is usually what leads to clues as to whom the wolves are EX : If Player A is insistent that Player B is a wolf but it's actually a human, then that might lead the other players to suspect Player A. Or, if Player A is insistent that Player B is a wolf and it actually IS a wolf, then that might lead the other players to follow Player A's opinions, since h/she could be the seer).

You can always vote for inactives. And if we skip a round, there's always the chance an inactive is a seer, and they become active.


Good idea, but that's not entirely true - even if we don't vote, someone gets shot. And then the wolves get to eat someone. We lose 2 players every round and if we get to the point where a majority can't overthrow the wolves, then we lose. =/


The way we're going, we have no idea if we're one wolf away from winning or if we haven't even shot one. In a game of 15 there are 3 wolves; How many rounds do we get before the game ends if we haven't even found one? 2 more, excluding this round, right?

I'm all for eliminating inactives but at this point I think we need to start putting some theories into play.

I've been thinking - Elios mentioned:
This is Tintin's very first Werewolf game. I think it likely she slipped up, perhaps making the mistake that the Wolves should/could post in here about their actions.

Now, maybe she was trying to tell her fellow wolf to vote that way, BUT looking at it more closely, Tintin actually said:

I think 30angel100 is the seer any one agree???? I could be wrong.


If there are 3 wolves and Tintin was one of them (with potentially an inactive Lucifer as the second) would she really say "any one" and not just the name of the 3rd wolf? Not trying to defend her, but if this is her first game, it is more believable that she forgot that guessing who the seer is would be a bad thing. According to her profile, she's in 6th grade. Not that she can't be a wolf, but I'm more inclined now to believe she made some beginner errors...

I can still be talked into voting with majority on Tintin, but I think we need to start thinking things through a little bit more. I now have two suspects in my head (one of whom I mentioned previously, Karane) but I don't want to mention the second until we decide on Tintin b/c it's an active player and once we start on the "you're it!" game, we might lose focus.

Thoughts guys? Playing is a bit like riding a bike, but 3 years is a lot of rust


Edit: I forgot a /quote =P


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fishstic


Posted: 11:56PM Nov 19, 2012

I'm still not sure what the "right" answer is, but Yuffie is right that since there is an active wolf who is taking out people every night, it's not necessarily to our advantage to take out inactives anymore. Her point about Karane is a good one, and I have my suspicions about jpost (that would be the second person I alluded to earlier) because he/she (I can't be bothered to look right now) hasn't voted since round one, but has logged in since then. But we could also just as easily throw Izzie onto the list of suspects because she is voting with Tintin for an inactive at this point. Our active wolf could be anyone. I think I am going to stick with Tintin for right now (why not?) which pretty much means that's where my vote will stay this round (I will be travelling for Thanksgiving tomorrow and probably will not have net access) but I wouldn't be upset to see anyone go, even myself, because this game is going to take *forever* at this rate, with a two day long night timing out every round.
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jpostA


Posted: 03:43AM Nov 20, 2012

well, I am just going to vote an inactive so that, win or lose, at least this game can go faster.

God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.
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Izzie*


Posted: 07:22AM Nov 20, 2012

in my defense, it is tin tin that is voting with me.
i put a vote in for tin tin because i thought that it was odd that she said that angel might be the seer and voted for her. at that point every one else started voting for tin tin too

i then changed my vote to someone else because i wanted tin tin to have a chance to explain herself.
it is not my fault that other people do not have thoughts of their own.
as i said before, if i did not like tin tin explanation -i would change my vote back.
and that is what i am going to do because in my opinion, it was a very weak explanation.


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EliosAus


Posted: 08:19AM Nov 20, 2012

Tintin's reason sounds more like an excuse to me. You voted angel on accident? You mean, you accidentally scrolled down, highlighted a radial button, clicked "vote", and then just left it that way...?

I really do think Tintin made the beginner's mistake of thinking we should find out/disclose who the Seer is. Why she didn't just own up to that, I have no idea.

If the Seer has been Inactive up until now, I'm not sure how much use they'd be to us. I mean, isn't there a huge possibility that they'll just go Inactive again?

I'm going to vote Tintin now to end the round.
I really hope Tintin isn't cheating in those PMs!


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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  Post from Gbdf deleted on 2012-11-21 02:46:06.
Gbdf*sg


Posted: 02:45AM Nov 21, 2012

Well, I've read all the comments, and I think all of you are struggling.

I have decided and give one clue each to the Wolves and the Humans (maybe the Humans can read the clue to the Wolves, to see what good/bad news they had, and vice versa).

Wolves: All your mates are still alive!
Humans: (Bad news) Every round, the humans shot 'The Human', 2 humans are either shot or eaten.

Currently, the Wolves are on the lead.

I'll give another clue each on the 5th round.

Good luck Humans and Wolves!
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