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The Werewolf Game #2825

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 5 rounds.

Discussion of Round #2

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 11:01PM Nov 12, 2012

Chunnie was a regular old bum, not the seer

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 11:01PM Nov 12, 2012

Well, night timed out.

Thank god that this round I can just impersonate myself. And as for receiving that wonderful award, Dan, at least I got an award.

EDIT: Night timing out means nothing about the identities of the inactives, but I am putting an SPV in for one of the inactives Camilleeeee anyway.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 01:04AM Nov 13, 2012

I'll also impersonate myself

last round was pretty crappy sooo not much to work with. Night timing out was predictable....25% of the remaining players are inactives. Will just SPV anyway.


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"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Nietzsche
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:07AM Nov 13, 2012

This was all a hilarious meta-joke as this game is actually an impersonation of a Werewolf Game

Edit: Self impersonation you were supposed to have fun with not play like chumps, but I guess that's the real theme of this game Werewolf for Chumps


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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:09AM Nov 13, 2012

Way to play along guys.

Luckily like last game I'm in a position to liven up a game with an early hand grenade - I'm the Seer and Putter is a wolf.

Seems pretty ridiculous coming out in round 2 but this game really does feel like it'll go nowhere with so many inactives, and I do have 50% of the wolves.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:24AM Nov 13, 2012

A chart for your conveinence

Effectiveness Scale

********** The Flux Capacitor

********* Spider asking out Camillee??

********* Windmills

******* Smithy attempting to write a witty comedic satire





** Smithy attempting to write a 3 stooges episode

** Green's Spider Impersonation

* Spider using the GIMP imaging program

* You guys playing WWG


MARXISM!!!


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 12:22PM Nov 13, 2012

You mean WE have 50% of the wolves now Smithy came out as a wolf. Nice, but not the smartest move since now the actual seer knows you're a wolf and has 2 clears (me and whoever he/she divined round 1).

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you." - Nietzsche
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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:48PM Nov 13, 2012

If I was a wolf, why on earth would I have made a Seer claim when under no threat?! It wouldn't have been so much "not the smartest move" as "literally the dumbest and most pointless move ever".

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 03:07PM Nov 13, 2012

Smithy has a point - as soon as putter turned out to be human, smithy would be shot immediately. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If it was a false seer claim, wouldn't he go after an inactive who couldn't defend themself? Voting Putter.

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 05:01PM Nov 13, 2012

I can't work out who you are all impersonating! Give us major hints, I wonder if anyone is doing me.

Smithy, why one earth did you claim?!?! You could have pushed on Harry and potentially lasted another round. Ugh, well what's done is done. Smithy claiming as a wolf makes no sense as it isn't final round so the Seer can just fake going along with it and let Smithy fall to his eventual demise next round, and let the Seer get another potential divination. Voting HarryPutter.
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debc1A


Posted: 05:24PM Nov 13, 2012

i read over the posts and smithy seems human to me, but harrys posts seem off
harry has to be a wolf. everyone vote harry!!

(that was my apples impersonation if it was hard to tell :laugh and uh hi dan


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:25PM Nov 13, 2012

sup Deb

Let the games, begin!
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 06:03PM Nov 13, 2012

Nice deb, though I do use capital letters.

EDIT: Wow, the three c's are really letting us all down here.


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 06:54PM Nov 13, 2012

We're impersonating ourselves? Our someone else?

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celticherotus


Posted: 06:59PM Nov 13, 2012

I can not believe the inactivity of the remaining C's. Anyway, I feel inclined to believe that Smithy and Harry are of varying varieties. Smithy's self outing really confuses me as he really was under no threat but comes out anyway. I want to vote Harry, but Smithy still gets my suspicion, so I'm voting Smithy, and I hope to see the other C's this round.

I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 07:10PM Nov 13, 2012

Your unwillingness to believe Smithy is suspicious, celtcihero, considering you have no reason to doubt his Seer claim. There has been no anti-claim (and I highly suggest no one counterclaims even if Smithy is a wolf, since we'll get him sooner or later) so I don't understand your vote on him.
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caberetAus


Posted: 07:50PM Nov 13, 2012

Hiya everyone! Sorry for going AWOL. But I'm back now.

I'm going to impersonate someone that knows what the heck is going on. (Meaning I'm placing a SPV on someone)


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 08:00PM Nov 13, 2012

LOL@ you guys believing smithy.

Don't believe him until EVERYONE has posted and don't shoot me. The seer will come save me (hopefully) and if he doesn't, then he'll probably be eaten since your gullible reactions are going to lead to the seer by the process of elimination.

So yes Smithy made the dumbest move ever, and I'll prove it if you just let everyone post. DO NOT shoot me since we only have 2 shots left. And the seer should counter-claim, because then we will have 3 clears (hopefully) and a wolf. That's almost an auto-win...don't listen to GA


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debc1A


Posted: 08:03PM Nov 13, 2012

smithy was the seer in the last game...what are the odds he is again...blah blah every game starts new
but then again why would he say that?? just to mess with us??


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 08:08PM Nov 13, 2012

No, because he's a wolf, and it will make the next 2 round must-lynches.

When the real seer comes out (I think it might be Celt, and if it is he better speak up before he gets eaten), then we must shoot Smithy. I know you won't be able to trust us, but the logic is this

- Smithy is shot.

If I and the "real seer" are wolves - you guys can shoot BOTH of us and win if smithy turns out to be human (which I know for a fact he isn't).

However, if I'm shot and Smithy is found to be a wolf - you will have lost your seer AND have no idea who the last wolf is in a must-lynch.

Just trust me on this We basically lose the game if one of you voting for me doesn't switch your vote since finding the last wolf is unlikely. Celt protecting me is basically enough evidence that I'm innocent because it's NOT logical for both of us to be wolves and he has no reason to protect me.

if I let smithy get me shot with a false seer claim, I'll never live it down


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 08:15PM Nov 13, 2012

Until someone else counter-claims, Harry is our best bet. So yeah, im holding my vote unless cam gets on and claims.

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celticherotus


Posted: 08:18PM Nov 13, 2012

I am just a hanuman, actually. It's not that I don't believe Smithy. It just seems to be a bizarre time to post that.

It is blatantly obvious that at least of Harry/Smithy is a wolf.

If Smithy is the wolf, then GA is probably the most likely suspect.

If Harry is the wolf, then I have essentially screwed myself over, which would've been a pointless thing to do as a wolf.

So in conclusion, I'm thinking that the Smithy-GA scenario to be the most likely wolves, so I'm keeping my vote on Smithy.


I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 08:24PM Nov 13, 2012

Koin, read through the logic I posted.

If Smithy turns out to be human, you can shoot both Celt and I and win the game since he is protecting me for no reason. But I know for a fact that Smithy is a wolf, and if I'm shot - then Celt (likely our seer) will be eaten....you'll shoot smithy next round but have no idea about the last wolf and probably lose. That's what smithy's ploy is.... hopefully you guys listen to me and he fails, then we get three clears (me, seer, and whoever he divined) + the identity of a wolf.

If you ignore the reasoning, you're basically losing the game for the humans Or at least leaving the game to chance when we have a huge strategic advantage.

At the VERY least you should switch your vote off me so no one pre-emptively ends the round, but the proper thing to do is vote Smithy.

EDIT: Ok damn, I was counting on you being seer, Celt Crap I hope that doesn't mean Cami is seer and the humans are definitely screwed. I may just accept my fate if that's the case


I'm thinking that the Smithy-GA scenario to be the most likely wolves, so I'm keeping my vote on Smithy.


I'm thinking this might be true, too Smithy must believe that his partner is competent enough to win on his/her own, and he'll only feel that way about good players he's had experience with. GA has been overly aggressive in believing smithy as seer, when I remember I (or someone, can't remember) false claimed once and GA knew to be sceptical. He's too good to fall so easily for this terribly timed false claim, and have little foresight.

For the 2 must-lynches if Im shot - shoot GA and Smithy. If you wont listen to my reasoning in my life, at least consider my opinion when I die


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 08:42PM Nov 13, 2012

I will wait to see what caberet says, she's a potential Seer counterclaim. If we vote you and you flip human, Harry, then we vote Smithy and then we vote whoever is most likely Smithy's partner. Also, voting you will give the Seer more of a chance living through the night if you're human. Voting Smithy will guarantee the Seer does not live until next round. You make the most sense to vote out this round.

EDIT: I am pretty sure in the game you're referring to I was a wolf when I was skeptical. So that really isn't a valid point against me I am pretty sure.


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debc1A


Posted: 08:46PM Nov 13, 2012

oh man
who to believe??
either way i am going to feel foolish in believing one of you, because the chances of me picking wrong is like 80%

i might just shoot apples

edit
and where is cab??
why did she vote herself??
it could be both harry and smithy are wolves, what better way to clear one of them

edit again

i think harry is messing with us


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 08:52PM Nov 13, 2012

debc1 wrote:
oh man
who to believe??
either way i am going to feel foolish in believing one of you, because the chances of me picking wrong is like 80%

i might just shoot apples


Seriously?

Another reason why we shoot Harry first is that if it is Harry/Smithy team, then shooting Harry and him flipping wolf would "clear" Smithy, and if he wasn't eaten then their game is up! So Harry genuinely makes sense to shoot first.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 08:55PM Nov 13, 2012

That's a terrible argument We'd automatically lose if Smithy and I were wolf partners, so he'd never false seer claim against me like that.


And I think I was a wolf in that game, not you. Oh man, Ga. You're digging yourself a real hole if you turn out to be human


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debc1A


Posted: 08:55PM Nov 13, 2012

if harry is human then it has to be smithy and apples i think....i think maybe

why automatically lose??


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 08:58PM Nov 13, 2012

Smithy wouldn't turn against his own partner with a SEER claim, because if I'm shot first - I'm revealed to be a wolf, yet Smithy isn't eaten? Makes no sense, especially when considering the actual seer can blow up their entire game

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 09:06PM Nov 13, 2012

HarryPutter wrote:
That's a terrible argument We'd automatically lose if Smithy and I were wolf partners, so he'd never false seer claim against me like that.


And I think I was a wolf in that game, not you. Oh man, Ga. You're digging yourself a real hole if you turn out to be human


What game are you referring to? I think we are remembering different games? And I am not digging myself a hole, you need to look at this from the point of someone who doesn't know your identity for sure.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 09:11PM Nov 13, 2012

No deb switch back, you can see how this obviously makes no sense. Let this be part of the 20% you're right, your gut has been accurate lately (for the most part)

And GA, Celt caught on so I guess I assumed you would too. Smithy's seer claim was terribly timed, and no experienced player would come out that way with that justification. You said it yourself.


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 09:16PM Nov 13, 2012

HarryPutter wrote:
Smithy's seer claim was terribly timed, and no experienced player would come out that way with that justification. You said it yourself.


Yes, I know that is was ill timed and poorly justified, but he hasn't retracted, there have been no counterclaims and ask yourself, if you were in my position with an uncc'd Seer claim (Smithy) and an accused wolf (Harry), and you can shoot one, when is it ever normal to shoot the Seer claim over the supposed guilty when there is enough room for a wrong shot? You're being quick to judge me but do you not understand my stance at all?

EDIT: You said yourself that celtichero had no reason to side with you. The fact celtichero so easily and quickly did is really suspicious.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 09:18PM Nov 13, 2012

I only believe the seer if it makes sense to believe they're seer Even when someone comes out as a wolf, I dont automatically believe them unless it makes sense. I remember markus did that as human to get out of a game, and I refused to shoot him

Exactly about celt What kind of wolves would lose themselves the game by supporting each other in a seemingly hopeless circumstances. That's why I think there is evidence I'm human


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 09:22PM Nov 13, 2012

Hmm, I'm not shooting Smithy this round. I will not shoot an uncc'd Seer claim. I'm either going to shoot you or Camillee, due to her inactiveness. So, if you are wanting to make another majority that I'll join you in, I would go for Camillee, but I don't know how much more support you'll get for her than you will get for Smithy. And if we shoot Camillee, we can see if Smithy dies in the night, or see what his next divination is.

EDIT: Actually, I wasn't thinking there. From your point of view, Camillee is the Seer. And I'm guess you're not willing to shoot her. Unless you want to prove Smithy is guilty, but I don't know if you'd be willing to shoot someone you know is the Seer, even though they are completely useless.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 09:25PM Nov 13, 2012

I'd obviously rather shoot the person I think is a wolf

The thing is I would rather let myself get shot than shoot Cami. The reason being that it will be the same story as this round if Cami is shot... neither Smithy or me would be eaten....and I'll be shot and the humans will lose. I'd rather give the humans a fighting chance, even though it will basically be blind luck if they pull off a win.


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 09:28PM Nov 13, 2012

Okay, well I am running myself round in circles. I still haven't ruled caberet out as Seer either.

EDIT: No, if Cami is shot and revealed as Seer then you will be eaten and Smithy would be shot? Because he'd be proven not to be the Seer? What are you on about?


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 09:34PM Nov 13, 2012

ah true but either way I die I want to take a wolf down with me.

And yeah, we can't insure Cami is seer anyway, so it might just be shooting a human. leading back to this

Well looks like I'm probs dead unless one of you guys comes to your senses, and even then it'd be 50/50. Obviously Smithy will be shot next round, but the last wolf will be tough to crack. I'm still leaning GA just because he's normally more cautious when things don't make any sense, but maybe I'm just biased. Either way, he his my recommendation.

I've said all I can say, and if you're still not convinced by my reasoning then may the WW Gods have mercy on your souls. GL on the must-lynches.


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:08PM Nov 13, 2012

That's a lot of posts I have to read now.

Seems to me we have either Harry-Celt or Smithy-GA. Say we shoot Harry next round, there are only 2 scenarios I see. 1 is tht he is human, then smithy is shot then GA. 2 is he is a wild and Smithy and GA are essentially cleared, leaving Celt as the obvious choice.

Then I consider a Harry-GA pair. Pretty easy fir Green to get himself cleared after the seer claim. Then there's always laying-low players. I think the best thing to do, in order to gain the most information, is to shoot harry.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 10:19PM Nov 13, 2012

Don't rationalize your terrible choice, koin. Smithy's false seer claim is totally transparent and you'll get equally as much info (if not more) if he is shot. His claims are far more unreasonable and unsubstantiated. And I must say he got very lucky.


I want ALL 3 of you to give yourselves a slap on the cheek from me in 40 mins And if you knew anything about my playing style, you should know I never put my ego on the line when I'm wrong.


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:44PM Nov 13, 2012

Yeah, well I guess thats the problem. I don't know much about your playing style, or smithys for that matter. I can only make decisions based on what I know. And what I know is that smithy will probably get shot if you're not a wolf.

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 10:47PM Nov 13, 2012

You must flip the koin and give the humans a chance to win, it's the only way.

if I'm shot, then smithy is shot next round, the identity of the last wolf is up in smoke (though likely GA). The vote MUST tie to give us a decent chance think about it.

If I die, the terrorists win This game will be hence forth known as the "seer-icide bomber". You have a chance to defuse the bomb and save us all . It's possible you might not even be able to decisively shoot smithy next round since Cami is still gonna be inactive, though it looks like she's the seer. Consider this for the next 9 minutes.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 10:54PM Nov 13, 2012

flip the koin, koin.

Be the "change" the humans need to win this.

Our hopes are "banking" on your decision.

You can be my "life savings".

This can be a "tale" for many "heads" in the future.

How many coin puns must be created for you to change your mind?


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:54PM Nov 13, 2012

I love all the koin puns that come up

Edit: Whoa eeire timing


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:54PM Nov 13, 2012

The problem is that smithy had nothing to gain by seer claiming (if he were a wolf). Unless you're the two wolves, which is a strange possibility. I dont see his thought process as a wolf seer claiming in this situation.

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 10:56PM Nov 13, 2012



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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 10:56PM Nov 13, 2012

No, he did have something to gain I already explained how the human hopes are basically over if I'm shot just because finding the last wolf will be chance, if anything

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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:57PM Nov 13, 2012

The "flip the koin" one was used in a different game. By you, I think. It's not like the humans are doomed by shooting you, unless there is information i don't know.

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 10:58PM Nov 13, 2012

I EXPLAIneD it.

I get shot, active gets eaten, smithy gets shot, active gets eaten - all that's left is wolf, inactive, active. game OVER. a human win will be by chance


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:59PM Nov 13, 2012

No, you said "if I'm shot, then smithy is shot next round, the identity of the last wolf is up in smoke (though likely GA)."

Most likely is a betteroption than nothing, which is where we would be with smithy shot.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 10:59PM Nov 13, 2012

The last wolf is up in smoke AND it will be by chance it's a double whammy

Make me proud koin


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 11:00PM Nov 13, 2012

Aw. 1 more minute. Could smithy have thought through all that? I don't know.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:02PM Nov 13, 2012

Hey Smithy! Divine This!!! The peasants called from the castle

But they didnt trust the wonderous musings of the squire Smithy and shot him dead with their slings and arrows. Did they make the right choice? Who's to say, cause Smithy had no power to divine. A WOLF AT LAST they shouted

Nay Nay

For Smithy was a plain run of the mill human

YOU SHOT A HUMAN, ONE MORE CHANCE

(Just to be clear Smithy was NOT the seer, so dont ask about it next round haha)


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:00AM Nov 14, 2012

Here's what I want for next round, each of you must submit a picture commemerating Smithy's actions this round:

For Example



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