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The Werewolf Game #2835

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 6 rounds.

Discussion of Round #3

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RhythmicAus


Posted: 05:55PM Nov 29, 2012

Round 3!

kitty-cat was a werewolf and Skybet was the seer

One werewolf remains alive.


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bradon182001*us


Posted: 06:17PM Nov 29, 2012

I kind of figured that Skybet was the Seer, based on her reluctance to explain why she suspected Kitty, and that's really why I changed my vote to ensure Kitty was shot. Unfortunately, the other wolf also figured it out.

I now have a couple of suspects in mind, based on the voting last round. My primary suspect is Yuffie, so that's who I will vote this round, unless there is a more compelling reason to vote someone else.


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 07:02PM Nov 29, 2012

Being the seer is tough, I've only done it twice and not sure I did much better job than Skybert, it is hard to know when to come out and admit to who you are. You come on too strong and the wolves figure it out as easily as the players do, but you wait too long and you are of little use to your teammates. But Sky, you did do your job valiantly and got us one wolf so your sacrifice was not in vain. Now all we have to do is find Wolf #2.
Too bad we lost the seer so early though, she would not have had a chance to divine anyone else.


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JJPutztus


Posted: 07:46PM Nov 29, 2012

Lucky guess and self-preservation on my part. Again, super quick night.
I'll hold off voting for now.


To quote Kobe Bryant when he hits a 3-pointer: "Kobe"
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:32PM Nov 29, 2012

And here I thought you were looking wolfish Bobby. . . . my head's no in this game. I'll try to do better. Glad we got a wolf, not glad we lost our seer. . . . . .

Will wait for more posts before I decide who to vote for.


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YuffieAus


Posted: 11:17PM Nov 29, 2012

Ahh man! I didn't come back on and then Kitty-Cat voted with me for Skybet so now I totally look like the second wolf! All I can say is that I'm not, but that's what everyone does... I CAN however say that I was wolf in the most recent game I played, so what are the chances I'm wolf twice in a row?

bradon182001 wrote:
I kind of figured that Skybet was the Seer, based on her reluctance to explain why she suspected Kitty


Reading Round 2 again I can see Sky's attempt, but it read too strong for me & I took it as a wolf strategy.


I'm going to go ahead and guess that JJPutz and Bradon182001 are not wolves, since they voted for Kitty-Cat last round. Grasping at straws that HABS2933 could be the second wolf - when I'm wolf, I tend to "over-compensate" by stating facts rather than actual theories. In round 1 she listed everyone's votes, in Round 2 she subtly defended Kitty-Cat by pointing suspicion on Skybet - which, admittedly, I did the same thing - and this round she just commended Skybet's hard work.

Not a lot to go on, but that's all I've found so far... voting for HABS2933 unless someone has stronger evidence.

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be on tomorrow before 2pm (by then the Day will have ended) but I'll try.


Edit to link to the proof I was actually a wolf in my last game


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 04:34AM Nov 30, 2012

Yuffie wrote:
I CAN however say that I was wolf in the most recent game I played, so what are the chances I'm wolf twice in a row?


Actully, your chances of being a wolf are the same in every game you play. You have a 20% chance of being a wolf. But then hey if that is your theory (or defense) than I can't be a wolf as I too was a wolf in MY last game (many of the players here were in that game (we won - all 4 of us lived).

Yuffie wrote:
IGrasping at straws that HABS2933 could be the second wolf - when I'm wolf, I tend to "over-compensate" by stating facts rather than actual theories.

I stated no facts at all, I said very little other than we shouldn't let the computer decide. How is that suspicous? I did put forth the theory that Skybert was being a bit too cryptic, but there were others who agreed. So anyone who doesn't come up with a "theory" is guilty? Aren't hard facts a better way to find the wolves?


IIIn round 1 she listed everyone's votes

Someone makes a voting list EVERY game, in most games it is done at least once a round if not more, so guess anyone who does one is a suspect in your eyes?

in Round 2 she subtly defended Kitty-Cat by pointing suspicion on Skybet - which, admittedly, I did the same thing

if you did the same thing, could that not mean YOU are the wolf and are now trying to ake it seem like I am - even though all your theories about me can also be said about you? HMM?
and this round she just commended Skybet's hard work.

How did I "end Skybert's hard work? As Bllondie stated, she thought Skybert was the seer from the posts. And though I cast suspicion on her, I knew no one would follow me, so was hoping to be able to keep her around by having a few people suspect her. The wolves usually avoid eating players that may seem suspicious. .. allowing the humans to take care of them instead.

You were a wolf in you last game, well so was I. And as I stated in that game all 4 wolves survived the game.. I play much more strategically when I am a wolf than I am in this game. It would make sense to eat the seer, therefore i would not have done it the first round it became obvious who the seer was. I like to keep the players who are a threat to me, makes the game more fun. Notice no one who plays with me on a regular basis suspects me. .. they know when I'm a wolf.
I have suspected you on and off throughout the game, but I don't like placing retaliatory votes, so I will go with my other suspect JJPutz. Yeah he voted Kitty, but lots of wolves will sacrifice other wolves to try to seem human.

One final point,, look at how fast the nights have been. This points to someone who is on the computer quite a bit throughout the day. The night last round lated less than 5 hrs. Since there is a delay of 3 hrs after the final vote before day starts this means the wolf cast his vote within an hour of day ending. As I have pointed out before, I work 2 jobs so don't have time to be on durng the work day. Whomever the wolf is, either is home during the day, or has access to a compute while they work (I don't have computer access at either place). I know I have posted from my tablet on occasion when working the one job, but that is not normal and can only do that when we are somewhere with WI-FI, which isn't a lot.

I would suggest that Yuffie is a wolf, but like i said, don't like to place retaliatory votes in case I am wrong, then that makes me seem wolfish.


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YuffieAus


Posted: 08:53AM Nov 30, 2012

HABS2933, I admitted that my suspicion against you wasn't strong but I listed my reasons. I've been away from Braingle for 3 years and last Wolf game was me coming back from that hiatus - what people "usually" do are no longer familiar to me, as all of my former co-players have left as well.

HABS2933 wrote:
You were a wolf in you last game, well so was I. And as I stated in that game all 4 wolves survived the game.. ... Notice no one who plays with me on a regular basis suspects me. .. they know when I'm a wolf.


So, how did you not get voted out in your previous game if everyone knows when you're being a wolf? Doesn't seem like it's a workable strategy... unless it is and you're doing it right now. You're the only one whose come on after I posted, so whose to say they won't agree with me?

HABS2933 wrote:
How did I "end Skybert's hard work? ....if you did the same thing, could that not mean YOU are the wolf and are now trying to ake it seem like I am - even though all your theories about me can also be said about you? HMM?


Very true, but I admitted to doing the same thing. There is only one wolf left - one person aimed the blame away from Kitty-cat and the other went along with it. You pointed the blame at Skybet first and anyone interested enough can read through Round 2 again. Also, I did not say you ENDED her hard work, I said you COMMENDED her hard work - not sure if you just didn't quote the full word, but there is a major difference, so I just wanted to clarify ^_^

HABS2933 wrote:
I have suspected you on and off throughout the game, but I don't like placing retaliatory votes, so I will go with my other suspect JJPutz. Yeah he voted Kitty, but lots of wolves will sacrifice other wolves to try to seem human.


In a game with only 2 wolves? I understand if it was to save his hide but the majority on Kitty-cat was almost an accident. No one was voting for JJPutz at the end of the round, he could've made a 2 way tie. Maybe he wasn't on at the end, but it still seems like an odd thing to do to a fellow wolf. And in that case, Bradon182001 could also be a wolf, even though she voted for Kitty-cat alongside Skybet b/c she thought he might be the seer...

HABS2933 wrote:
I would suggest that Yuffie is a wolf, but like i said, don't like to place retaliatory votes in case I am wrong, then that makes me seem wolfish.


What are your suspicions against me, might I ask? I gave you my reasons why I suspected you.

HABS2933 wrote
One final point,, look at how fast the nights have been. This points to someone who is on the computer quite a bit throughout the day.


Very good point, but is there any way to prove when people are online? I doubt the wolf would post right before/after they vote - if they did, that would be Snowmonster or Bradon. I am currently unemployed (thanks for rubbing that in) but I've been going on interviews in the morning (heading out to one in a bit today, actually). Last night my father was in town so I wasn't on the computer (you can tell b/c I posted shortly after midnight).


Please go ahead and vote for me; if the only evidence you have is that I voted for the seer along with the other wolf, then you might as well clear me so you can focus on who the real wolf is.

It was fun playing with everyone


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bradon182001*us


Posted: 09:08AM Nov 30, 2012

HABS2933 wrote:


I would suggest that Yuffie is a wolf, but like i said, don't like to place retaliatory votes in case I am wrong, then that makes me seem wolfish.


Hmm. Of your long post, this sentence sticks out to me. You know this is a 10 player game with limited number of chances to be wrong. If you feel Yuffie is a wolf, why vote for JJ?

On the other hand, JJ is also making suspicious comments, ie
: "Lucky guess and self-preservation on my part. Again, super quick night.
I'll hold off voting for now. "


Does it sound like an apology to a fellow wolf for voting for her? And is he waiting to vote to be sure to vote someone into a majority?

Yuffie, you are making a lot of sense, and I tend to believe you, so my vote will most likely change after I've had a chance to go back over last round. And for the record, at one point in time, I was a wolf in 4 straight games, so it is possible to be a wolf in back-to-back games.


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JJPutztus


Posted: 11:04AM Nov 30, 2012

Long posts--I'll read them later. Voting HABS for she is the most active in my opinion, and based on Yuffie's lists.

To quote Kobe Bryant when he hits a 3-pointer: "Kobe"
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YuffieAus


Posted: 12:18PM Nov 30, 2012

bradon182001 wrote:
JJ is also making suspicious comments, ie : "Lucky guess and self-preservation on my part. Again, super quick night.
I'll hold off voting for now. "


Does it sound like an apology to a fellow wolf for voting for her? And is he waiting to vote to be sure to vote someone into a majority?


That's a really good point, Bradon182001. I was thinking that too, but at one point in Round 2 there was a 2 way tie between Kitty-Cat and JJ; he had apologized in the round for switching is vote to cause a majority on Kitty-cat. It could be that he did this to save himself versus his fellow wolf, but I think he was just apologizing for shooting Kitty b/c he didn't actually suspect her (i.e. "Lucky guess")

bradon182001 wrote:
And for the record, at one point in time, I was a wolf in 4 straight games, so it is possible to be a wolf in back-to-back games.


Wow! I honestly had no idea. I knew it was completely random how the wolves are selected, but I figured the game kept some sort of track. But I guess thinking about it, that would be extremely complicated...

Bradon182001 wrote:
Yuffie, you are making a lot of sense, and I tend to believe you, so my vote will most likely change after I've had a chance to go back over last round.


Thank you! I realize I'm not the most dependable player, since I did switch my vote off a wolf and onto the seer, but I appreciate that you're taking my theory into consideration I'm not too confident after what just happened, so I'm willing to change my vote.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 01:05PM Nov 30, 2012

Voting for Yuffie this round. It was pretty obvious that Skybet was our seer, so I have to question why she placed a vote for them last round. Could have been an oversight, but IDK, just makes me wonder.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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YuffieAus


Posted: 01:36PM Nov 30, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
Voting for Yuffie this round. It was pretty obvious that Skybet was our seer, so I have to question why she placed a vote for them last round. Could have been an oversight, but IDK, just makes me wonder.


It's embarrassing, but no, I honestly thought Skybet was acting off - could be b/c most games I play in, the Seer is either inactive or never posts. I'm not used to people having "secret hunches". Rereading his posts, I can TOTALLY see it now, but hindsight's 20/20 as they say.


I will say that if I were a wolf, why would I vote on the obvious seer where everyone would SEE my vote when I could just eat him, like the wolf just did? I don't know who the wolves are, so therefore I didn't think Skybet was obviously the seer. HABS2933 questioned Skybet, which gave me confidence in my theory, but she didn't actually vote on him OR Kitty-cat. She voted on a random, despite saying we should vote as a team.

If you find the second wolf, I will win even if I'm shot. It would suck to not be able to play anymore, but I'm honestly okay if you want to take me down - I stupidly drew attention to Skybet (although apparently everyone but me knew he was the seer, so he would probably have been eaten anyway)
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 03:35PM Nov 30, 2012

One thing I'm wondering. MrsBlondie hasn't posted or voted this round, even though she's been on today.

I will change my vote to MrsBlondie, simply because even though I'm suspicious of Yuffie's vote last round, I find MrsBlondie's absence this round more suspicious.

She's an active player, so I'm wondering if she's trying to slip through this round undetected. IDK, but that's where I'm voting.


Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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bradon182001*us


Posted: 03:48PM Nov 30, 2012

Oh, Wow, Snowy. I was just thinking the same thing. I really would like to hear from Mrs. B before much longer or I will consider voting for her as well. She hinted that she had some suspicions, yet she hasn't told us who she suspects. I'll hold off for a little while longer to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I will be back to make my final decision on who to vote for before the round ends.

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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 04:10PM Nov 30, 2012

Yuffie wrote:
I did not say you ENDED her hard work, I said you COMMENDED her hard work - not sure if you just didn't quote the full word, but there is a major difference, so I just wanted to clarify ^_^

I didn't commend her hard work, I just said being the seer is hard. It is difficult to make people trust your hunches without coming right out and saying "I am the seer". I have no real opinion of the quality of our seer this round. She found us a wolf which is great but wasn't very subtle in her "suggestion" that we shot Kitty.


In a game with only 2 wolves? I understand if it was to save his hide but the majority on Kitty-cat was almost an accident. No one was voting for JJPutz at the end of the round, he would've made a 2 way tie. Maybe he wasn't on at the end, but it still seems like an odd thing to do to a fellow wolf.

JJ stated himself he was caning to Kitty to save his own hide. JJ's play is sometime erratic (sorry Putz) and doesn't always make sense (at least not to me). So I could see him voting a fellow wolf if he thought it would save him.


What are your suspicions against me, might I ask? I gave you my reasons why I suspected you.


I have a visceral gut feeling. I trust my gut, it has served me well in life, professionally and personally, in work and in play. I do what my gut tells me to, and it is more often than not correct.

I am currently unemployed (thanks for rubbing that in)

i How did I rub it in? I have no idea who on here works, who doesn't who is in school and who isn't. besdes lots of employed people have access to a computer. When I worked at a call centre I was online whenever I wasn't on a call. As long as we weren't on FB or porn sites, we were allowed to do what we wanted when we were not busy.

but I've been going on interviews in the morning (heading out to one in a bit today, actually).

Well it is good that you are at least interviewing. The economy is so bad in some places jobs are not easy to come by. By the time you see this you will have already been on your interview, so I hope it went well.

Please go ahead and vote for me; if the only evidence you have is that I voted for the seer along with the other wolf,


As I said, I have no real evidence, (but then no one ever does), I don't know you at all and am not familiar with your style of play, so it is as I said just a "gut feeling".


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 04:23PM Nov 30, 2012


Sorry for the double post - but wanted to address a couple more points and the above post ws already way too long.

bradon182001 wrote:


Hmm. Of your long post, this sentence sticks out to me. You know this is a 10 player game with limited number of chances to be wrong. If you feel Yuffie is a wolf, why vote for JJ?


Really because I am not sure between the two of them which I suspect more.

bradon182001 wrote:
On the other hand, JJ is also making suspicious comments, ie: "Lucky guess and self-preservation on my part. Again, super quick night.
I'll hold off voting for now. "

Does it sound like an apology to a fellow wolf for voting for her? And is he waiting to vote to be sure to vote someone into a majority?


It does indeed, he outright admitted he voted for Kitty for no reason than to save himself.

JJPutz wrote:
Voting HABS for she is the most active in my opinion,

Since it has been pointed out continuously how quick the nights have been going, and that the wolf must be active, were I a wolf, I would try to tone down my level of activity to make it seem like I would not be the wolf since i am not "active enough" not be on here constantly. I have had the last few days either off entirely or only worked one job so have had lots of spare time this week is all.
That is enough rambling . ..


I could have sworn it was winter; but it must be autumn; the LEAFS have started to fall.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 05:11PM Nov 30, 2012

HABS2933, I was meaning for my replies to be light-hearted; I realize it is sometimes hard to read emotions and since you don't know me, that makes it even harder. That being said, it is my opinion that you are being overly-defensive. I am a suspect on everyone's list because of how Round 2 ended & because of that, I feel I have to make it up by explaining myself.

I still have an odd feeling about HABS but I'm now questioning Snowmonster and MrsBlondie since they could be calculating their level of activity - as Snowmonster said, MrsBlondie may be trying to stay under the radar, but Snow could be, too.

I understand everyone pretty much knows everyone else, so if you say JJPutz is capable of causing the only other wolf to be shot, then I believe you, but I just can't fathom it on a strategic level. Had Bradon or JJ NOT voted for Kitty-Cat, there would not have been a majority. If either one of them was the wolf, they could have easily voted ANYONE else to at least make it a 3-way tie. Bradon changed her vote from JJ to Kitty b/c of what Sky said so she's clear in my book. I guess JJ voted Kitty back when there was a majority on him, but I still don't know. Wouldn't it have been just as easy to try to aim the blame elsewhere rather than just go with a mild assumption?


I don't know anymore. I'm going to be a sheep and vote alongside Snowmonster on MrsBlondie. Partly b/c she could very well be the wolf but also because I don't want my suspicion to be wrong about HABS and us waste a bullet on a human & then have to waste Round 4 on everyone shooting me. If HABS is the wolf, maybe someone else will see it too and we can gain majority next round.


I forgot to mention this before, but I didn't see the last few posts in Round 2, where Skybet said "it will be evident in time" The last time I was on in Round 2 was when I posted at 12:18pm - I never check in on a game without posting (unless it would be a double post) so that's how I can tell. You don't have to believe me, but if you just Skybet's posts up to my last post, I think you can see why I thought he was a wolf. Dunno if that helps anyone's feelings about me, but thought I'd explain it further, just in case
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MrsBlondieAus


Posted: 05:23PM Nov 30, 2012

sorry guys.... it's the end of the month and I am the Billing Manager.... Had to do the month end duties as well as the daily stuff. I will vote for Yuffie this round.

the previous posts have me thinking wolf... not really sure, cause I have never played with them before.

EDIT: Day
It takes 4 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

bradon182001 voted for Yuffie
HABS2933 voted for JJPutz
JJPutz voted for HABS2933
MrsBlondie voted for Yuffie
snowmonster voted for MrsBlondie
Yuffie voted for MrsBlondie

Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 05:28PM Nov 30, 2012

Yuffie wrote:
HABS2933, I was meaning for my replies to be light-hearted; I realize it is sometimes hard to read emotions and since you don't know me, that makes it even harder.


Well, I'm glad you were not really upset by what I said, wasn't sure so thought I'd explain myself a bit better. As you said it is hard to tell on here how to take some things especially when you don't know someone.


I forgot to mention this before, but I didn't see the last few posts in Round 2, where Skybet said "it will be evident in time" The last time I was on in Round 2 was when I posted at 12:18pm - I never check in on a game without posting (unless it would be a double post) so that's how I can tell. You don't have to believe me, but if you just Skybet's posts up to my last post, I think you can see why I thought he was a wolf. Dunno if that helps anyone's feelings about me, but thought I'd explain it further, just in case


I suppose if you didn't read the full round it would make sense that you still suspected Skybert. I voted for him (her?) since I knew that my vote would not cause an innocent person to be shot. I didn't really suspect Sky after the later posts, but didn't suspect anyone else enough to join the majorty and placing a single vote on a player when there is a majority in the works it doesn't' really matter who that player is.


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YuffieAus


Posted: 05:35PM Nov 30, 2012

MrsBlondie wrote:
I will vote for Yuffie this round. the previous posts have me thinking wolf... not really sure, cause I have never played with them before.


I am a woman & I came back b/c I thought about it & decided that I want to change my vote for Snowmonster. Her suspicion of MrsBlondie really isn't that strong & it's a bit obvious that a wolf wouldn't post at ALL but instead log in. Since MrsBlondie didn't even vote at the time, it made it more likely that (as she stated) she just didn't have time to really add to the conversation.


bradon182001 voted for Yuffie
HABS2933 voted for JJPutz
JJPutz voted for HABS2933
MrsBlondie voted for Yuffie
snowmonster voted for MrsBlondie
Yuffie voted for Yuffie



I am voting for myself so that there is a definite majority on me. I let the game get to me (I was intimidated that this was a Key'd game & everyone knew each other) & unfortunately, I'm just not feeling this one. Sorry, Rhythmic! I promise to play a better game if I'm ever in a game you're modding again (Whose the Boss, for example LOL).



Good luck everyone! I now suspect HABS and Snowmonster, if that helps anyone for Round 4


Edit to say: Thank you, HABS! Glad we could get that miscommunication sorted out


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bradon182001*us


Posted: 05:38PM Nov 30, 2012

Mrs. B, according to your previous post;


"Posted: 115PM Nov 28, 2012
Well glad it was a short night. I am getting a few vibes but I will SPV this round Subject to change as the round progresses."

So, who were you getting "vibes" on at that point? Comments like that need to be explained and followed up.

Edit to add: After I posted this, I see that Yuffie posted and voted for herself. That sure doesn't sound like something a wolf would do. I'm going to change my vote to Mrs. B, much as I dislike having the computer pick, but over the past 24 hours, I'm sure you weren't working all of that time, so you could have posted and voted and offered your suspicions before this.


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