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## The Werewolf Game #2838

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## Discussion of Round #2

### Round: 01  2  345678

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The_Spider

 Posted: 10:54PM Dec 6, 2012

Thanks spider

The Board Game of Death II
Each player has their own piece on the board.
The board looks like this:

Every round, a number from 1 - 6 will be randomly chosen for each player, and they will move that many squares.
Each square has certain properties.
If you land on:
+1 - you get 1 point that round.
+2 - you get 2 points that round.
+5 - you get 5 points that round.
-1 - you lose 1 point that round.
-2 - you lose 2 points that round.
-5 - you lose 5 points that round.
Bankrupt - you lose ALL your points.
Clear - if one player gets this, then everyone gets a public clearing clue.
Chance (?) - something happens...
Hospital - see below

The bridges:
A feature I have added to this new board game of death are the bridges. There are two bridges, the bridge of caution and the bridge of certain safety.

The bridge of caution:
On the turn a player crosses the bridge of caution, three things can happen.
There is a 3 in 6 chance the player will cross successfully.
There is a 2 in 6 chance the player will fall to their death. They lose 2 points and are moved to the hospital, reguardless of their roll.
There is a 1 in 6 chance the player will chicken out and not cross the bridge at all, they miss a turn.

The bridge of certain safety:
The bridge of certain safety is the last square before the player begins a new lap. When the first person reaches the bridge of certain safety, they will be able to ask for the identity of any player. It will be PMed to them.

Here are the moves. Next to the square they are on is a number in brackets. The number in brackets indicates the square number (no pun intended) so you know which square you are on.

buu441: +1(8 ), 1 point.
Camillee: ?(9), 6 points.
catmandon: +5(10), 6 points.
chunnie: +1(8 ), 1 point.
GreenApples27: CLEAR(6), 0 points.
HarryPutter: -1(7), 2 points.
Jayo: CLEAR(6), 2 points.
jeminy: CLEAR(6), 0 points.
JQPublic: ?(9), 0 points.
Rhythmic: +1(12), 1 point.
scrub88: -1(7), 0 points.
SirHar: ?(9), 4 points.
The_spider: +5(10), 6 points.

GreenApples27, Jayo and Jeminy all landed on a CLEAR space, but you receive a clearing clue this round, so there is no effect.

Camillee, JQPublic and SirHar all landed on a ? space, their points were doubled

CLEARING CLUE:
In spirit of Christmas, I have got the names of a bunch of christmas carols. One word from the name of each carol is given to you. You need to work out the entire name of the carol, and use that as the keyword (with spaces removed) of the next one, which is a playfair cipher. The last one will be your clear.

Example:
blank bells
(Jingle bells, so keyword is jinglebells)

ci sg fa gc gh hs pv kc sn
Deciphered: blankblanksnowman
(Frosty the snowman, so keyword is frostythesnowman)

And so on

blank blank blank world
tk ar fw fi uk ef pm fw fi uk ef pm
kb yc mb od tb kb yc xe
gs cr wk rg sm gb wo gs cr wk rg sm
mc kh vu mg es zm kh vu mg es zm kh vu jz
fo bi jn bk gf bw fo bi pw (there may be multiple, so you will need to try and find one that works)
ev xd yt mf og im gf fb ra ai

STORE

Interest (3p): Each round, earn 1p. [2 left]
Big interest (7p); Each round, earn 2p. [3 left]
Will (1p): When you die, someone of your choice inherits your points. If that person dies, you have wasted your points. [unlimited]
Hard wolf clue (7p): Receive a public hard wolf clue. [2 left]
Easy wolf clue (9p): Receive a public easy wolf clue. [1 left]
Back (3p): Send another player back a certain amount of squares (chosen by you) from 1 - 4 [unlimited]

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 02:31:20---

Let the games, begin!
The_Spider

 Posted: 10:56PM Dec 6, 2012

Figured the night was gonna time out like 6 hours ago, not sure why I stayed up

Gonna SPV and go to sleep, probly one decent player in the mix judging by eating of baby

Let the games, begin!
SirHar

 Posted: 10:59PM Dec 6, 2012

Voting Rythmic to open...mainly an spv with slight suspicion that I will explain later after the clearing clue...probably wont be on again until like 6pm central tomorrow night.....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
GreenApples27

 Posted: 11:02PM Dec 6, 2012

The long nights are so stupid.

I will put an SPV in for now.
chunnie

 Posted: 11:05PM Dec 6, 2012

SPV
SirHar

 Posted: 11:07PM Dec 6, 2012

Holy crap...Juice????good grief.... Bad move wolves...Trust me on THIS one....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
buu441

 Posted: 11:14PM Dec 6, 2012

put an spv for camilee now. got nothing to vote on.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
scrub88

 Posted: 03:34AM Dec 7, 2012

Spv jemint
JQPublic

 Posted: 03:42AM Dec 7, 2012

SPV for GA

@GA: Night timed out, but apparently, everyone's either logged in yesterday or today, so there's probably an active wolf who's trying to make it look like an inactive is the wolf by not voting or voting really late. (That's what I did last game. ) Whover that wolf is, it isn't working out for him/her, that's for sure.

BTW, the keyword should be joytotheworld. I'll try to decode it later.

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 03:44:59---

'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
GreenApples27

 Posted: 04:26AM Dec 7, 2012

The night round started yesterday braingle time, so if an active wolf is doing that, then it's lame and they should stop.

Once again, I have acquired no points...
buu441

 Posted: 04:27AM Dec 7, 2012

i think the carol mentioned is joy to the world. i havent worked on decoding as yet.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
Rhythmic

 Posted: 04:28AM Dec 7, 2012

SPV on catmandon for now. I'll be back on later.

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
The_Spider

 Posted: 05:21AM Dec 7, 2012

Page refreshed in midpost

Cliffnotes
- With nothing to go on, we should consider point total as a factor in deciding who to shoot

- I havent proven this mathematically or anything, but I think Big Interest is pretty useless, it takes 3.5 Rounds to pay for itself, so 4 rounds after it's use you would start to see benefit. So basically, it gives you 1 extra point if you survive to Round 6 and 3 extra points if you survive to round 7 Little interest appears to be just as useless

Let the games, begin!
buu441

 Posted: 05:32AM Dec 7, 2012

okay. the clue is solved for now

i. joy to the world
ii. once in royal david's city
iii. the first noel
iv. the twelve days of christmas
v. go tell it on the mountains
vi. away in a manger

vii. you have cleared someone

someone is a name. should i disclose it or keep it to myself? i mean that person can easily become wolf food if we clear them. waiting for what the others say.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
HarryPutter

 Posted: 05:37AM Dec 7, 2012

Yeah, the interest thing doesn't make much sense, OC Maybe make it so they gain during night and day, or something?

Voting buuu while I think of a way to kill GA and pisd
buu441 voted for Camillee
chunnie voted for HarryPutter
GreenApples27 voted for scrub88
HarryPutter voted for buu441
JQPublic voted for GreenApples27
Rhythmic voted for catmandon
scrub88 voted for jeminy
SirHar voted for Rhythmic
The_Spider voted for JQPublic

Oh well done, buu. Keep it safe for now, it's best to use it when under more pressure or when the seer comes out. But keep in mind that it could make you a target as well.

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 05:39:12---

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
Rhythmic

 Posted: 05:53AM Dec 7, 2012

from our worthy mod, OldCustard
Rhythmic: +1(12), 1 point.

Obviously by position on the board and not points.

from the infamous SirHar
Voting Rythmic to open...mainly an spv with slight suspicion that I will explain later after the clearing clue...probably wont be on again until like 6pm central tomorrow night.....

Yeah, I wondered if that initial SPV in Round 1 would come back to haunt me.

EDIT to fix formatting

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 05:55:12---

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
buu441

 Posted: 06:08AM Dec 7, 2012

did anyone else solve the clue as yet? am afraid of getting eaten now coz i have the identity of a cleared player, and they would want it to die with me...

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
HarryPutter

 Posted: 06:42AM Dec 7, 2012

Well you provided the step before solving it, so it's not too much trouble apparently. I'm not sure if that clears you or not

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
chunnie

 Posted: 06:50AM Dec 7, 2012

Got it.
Rhythmic

 Posted: 06:57AM Dec 7, 2012

from the infamous SirHar
Voting Rythmic to open...mainly an spv with slight suspicion that I will explain later after the clearing clue...probably wont be on again until like 6pm central tomorrow night.....

Yeah, I wondered if that initial SPV in Round 1 would come back to haunt me.

Oh yeah, I forgot babyjuice voted for me. I guess that might make me look suspicious if this was a game full of amateurs.

I may try and work on the clue later, but I really don't like crytography.

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
Jayo

 Posted: 07:30AM Dec 7, 2012

SPV for now, on lunch break so gonna work on the clearing clue

Edit nvmd, I see the work has already been done!!

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 07:41:02---

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
The_Spider

 Posted: 08:05AM Dec 7, 2012

I havent had a chance to play with the clue but im betting its easy enough, Id be more worried about the Clear being eaten. Be on the road for quite a bit of the remaining day but will have a chance to peak back by later

Otherwise no real thoughts, got a sliver of a suspicioun on Jayo for a really dumb reason, so not enough to act on at this point

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 08:12:34---

Let the games, begin!
catmandon

 Posted: 08:47AM Dec 7, 2012

Up early and have to be at work..
SPV for now..

The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
Jayo

 Posted: 08:57AM Dec 7, 2012

The_Spider wrote:

Otherwise no real thoughts, got a sliver of a suspicioun on Jayo for a really dumb reason, so not enough to act on at this point

Ooh I'd love to hear it Spid

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
buu441

 Posted: 08:59AM Dec 7, 2012

dunno. i wont consider anyone cleared simply coz the helped solve the clearing clue. so i guess you are justified if you dont consider me as cleared right away.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
chunnie

 Posted: 09:14AM Dec 7, 2012

My gut says Harry's a wolf.

Leaving my vote as is for the time being, but if it's still an MoO in 6 hours I'm breaking it... can't risk the cleared being shot.
buu441

 Posted: 09:49AM Dec 7, 2012

my gut speaks the same. and about sirhar as well.
i guess i will change my vote accordingly rightaway coz i wont be coming online again.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
HarryPutter

 Posted: 10:09AM Dec 7, 2012

what did I do to justify a majority? I won't put too much blame on you buu since you're too noobish.

Switching to chunnie till he switches off me

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 10:10:19---

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
Rhythmic

 Posted: 11:16AM Dec 7, 2012

Huh. I just realized I was the first (and so far, only) person to cross the Bridge of Caution. Just watch your step, especially Spider and Catman who are right behind me.

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
jeminy

 Posted: 11:34AM Dec 7, 2012

I'll place a SPV for Camilee for now. We don't really have anything but gut feelings to go on at this time.

I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
chunnie

 Posted: 03:41PM Dec 7, 2012

It is what it is - a gut feeling. With nothing else to go on, I'm leaving my vote as is.
HarryPutter

 Posted: 03:42PM Dec 7, 2012

Your got feeling got my shot last game, too kind of making me purple and all

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 15:42:41---

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
GreenApples27

 Posted: 04:24PM Dec 7, 2012

Hmmmm, I don't feel like voting either chunnie or Harry, so I'll put my vote in to attempt a majority on Camillee who unfortunately has made a reputation of becoming inactives in games.
Camillee

 Posted: 04:27PM Dec 7, 2012

LOL ok I was inactive in one game really!

OK GREENAPPLES...lol

SPVing for now
GreenApples27

 Posted: 04:50PM Dec 7, 2012

Oh hi Camillee. You've been inactive in both recent games I've played with you...

EDIT: Your retaliation vote isn't really helping yourself either, Camillee...

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 16:51:56---
Camillee

 Posted: 05:08PM Dec 7, 2012

Sigh... find someone else to pick on lol
scrub88

 Posted: 05:38PM Dec 7, 2012

Hard day today, and just catching up. I need to change my vote - but to whom? I will think shortly about it because I don't trust my gut in this game. I will change to me for a short while. I think that I will spend my time thinking about who would let night time out, even when everyone was active. Might be a time zone issue.

Buu - you are off my list for now, even though putter did not take you off his. Your clear is also off my list. I got stuck at Once in Royal David's city, so I am glad you helped, but you are right - the wolves have some clear choices tonight.

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 17:41:35---
GreenApples27

 Posted: 06:22PM Dec 7, 2012

Four way ties are ridiculous, especially when I'm part of them...

I think Camillee is the only person out of the four who are in the tie that has actually done something worthwhile of being shot. I'm out anyway and won't be on for the rest of the round. I suggest a Camillee vote, but it's in your hands now! Bye everyone!
scrub88

 Posted: 06:27PM Dec 7, 2012

I think I agree on Camillee. If we shoot her, we will at least know if the first round vote was human/human or human/wolf. I don't have much else to go on yet.
SirHar

 Posted: 06:51PM Dec 7, 2012

do I have to save cami???? good grief....
Harry has 2 votes....not feeling it
Ga has 2 votes and is voting cami...and is off for the round..and suggests a cami vote...hmm

I think I will switch to GA to tie it up...

Your welcome cami...I owed you one...

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
The_Spider

 Posted: 08:43PM Dec 7, 2012

k let me catch up and gather my thoughts...

Firstly...

buu441 voted for HarryPutter
Camillee voted for GreenApples27
catmandon voted for The_Spider
chunnie voted for HarryPutter
GreenApples27 voted for Camillee
HarryPutter voted for chunnie
Jayo voted for chunnie

jeminy voted for Camillee
JQPublic voted for GreenApples27
Rhythmic voted for catmandon
scrub88 voted for Camillee
SirHar voted for GreenApples27
The_Spider voted for JQPublic

What are you people doing? Are you trying to play as poor a round of WWG as you can possibly think of?? Thats three of our strongest players in the hunt to be shot, and Camillee with a huge point total of SIX. Seeing as how anything can happen with the rolls and the wolves might even night hunt high scores (to prevent those clues) its pivotal we keep our high point scorers alive (me included ) Especially with little else to go on.

As for the Harry suspicion, Im not inclined to vote Harry on a vague round two hunch. Even if he's a wolf, still wouldnt make me regret it (his lame attempt to blame Chunnie for his shooting last game aside ). Same as Im not keen on shooting Chunnie or Green. Active strong players are better at hunting wolves, are more likely to be divined (we could be shooting a cleared human) Give you more to read them off of, and lastly make the game far more interesting.

That being said I still have not solved the clue so I will not propose a majority just yet, however, snce Jayo asked, I found him suspcious because he usually insists on shaking things up at some point, threatening to break MoO. Here I havent seen an ounce of that, suspcioun by omission if you will

Hopefully some discussion gets going, cause this round is headed for unprecedented levels of stupid

Working on clue now...ok easy enough and a helpful clear imo...now anyone want to work with me for a different majority maybe even Jayo?!

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 21:09:11---

Let the games, begin!
The_Spider

 Posted: 09:17PM Dec 7, 2012

Guess there arnt too many great shots this round, with Buu solving the clue (good candidate as human) and Cat having 6 points, Jayo or JohnQ or Jem..the Js are my suggestions....I think Green is human, for another stupid reason and Im loathe to protect Camillee again (somewhat) So its her 6 points against the previously mentioned plusses Green brings to the table, of course we can make it easy on ourselves and follow my plan

If nothing changes by dusk, I WILL break the tie in order to save Green, sorry Cami ):

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 21:26:36---

Let the games, begin!
SirHar

 Posted: 09:41PM Dec 7, 2012

Okie dokie spider ...let's analyze your post...I will sum it up, for I see it every game...
we are all stupid and you are brilliant....

good grief...

here ya go spider I will throw you a bone ...a last ditch effort to save Cami...hel! I'm in this far....

I will switch my vote to JQPubic...

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
SirHar

 Posted: 09:45PM Dec 7, 2012

OK since you switched to Jayo.. I will vote Jayo...
Spider I can do this all night....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
The_Spider

 Posted: 09:48PM Dec 7, 2012

Well I switched to Jayo but I switched back

I dont claim to be brillaint, I dont have much intuition on hitting wolves and can be fooled pretty easily sometimes. However, TACTICALLY and logically I believe I play a strong game, and what I never am is lazy or thoughtless. I play a methodical game, shoot the in/marginal actives in Rounds 1 or 2 which leaves you with players easier to read, more fun to play with, and more likely divined by the seer. Look, Cami could be a wolf, Harry could be a wolf, Green could be a wolf, but we dont know, all we have are wild guesses. Ill look foolish 3 times out of 10, but 7 times out of 10 this way prevents a grave mistep. Im happy to live with those results

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 21:50:41---

Let the games, begin!
HarryPutter

 Posted: 09:50PM Dec 7, 2012

It was partially chunnie's fault since that factored into Cami accusation of me, which is why I said that.

Anyway, it doesn't make sense to shoot the person with the most points (unless they left me in their "will" which I assume cami didn't ), so with that I'll switch the jayo.

my avi looks like it's on my post for some reason

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 21:51:30---

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
The_Spider

 Posted: 09:52PM Dec 7, 2012

Ok, back to Jayo

If anyone, blame Bob for his diligent understaning of the Seer role

hey Jayo just got on too haha this should be a fun hour

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 21:58:34---

Let the games, begin!
HarryPutter

 Posted: 09:54PM Dec 7, 2012

oh my I was about to pray to the gods of koin, but looks like a tie-break is imminent.

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
SirHar

 Posted: 10:01PM Dec 7, 2012

Chunnie you could make this madness simpler...Harry will survive so your vote will be wasted...

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
The_Spider

 Posted: 10:12PM Dec 7, 2012

Who is this new Avi chump Harry..which btw inspired me I need a new Avi

Let the games, begin!
SirHar

 Posted: 10:14PM Dec 7, 2012

I think there is a wolf in the Harry voters..... I might switch to chunnie....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
The_Spider

 Posted: 10:18PM Dec 7, 2012

Dont really agree, Buu..possibly..but still has the clearing clue thing going for him, and Chunnie, a unique tactic if a wolf (needlessly hone in on a strong player early)...dont usually see it done.

Let the games, begin!
HarryPutter

 Posted: 10:21PM Dec 7, 2012

Noam chomsky he's awesome.

The gut feeling thing was definitely strange, which is why I didn't really see it as him being a wolf either that's why I offered a vote treaty but it was declined. Have you seriously not solved the clue, spid?

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 22:22:15---

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
scrub88

 Posted: 10:22PM Dec 7, 2012

I could argue Har, excuse me, SirHar is not playing his usual game. He has not stated I am a suspect yet. Actually, he had not made a list yet.

Spider- i'd like to give you something else to consider. There are many of us who loathe letting night time out. It narrows the list significantly. I Don't know the identity of Cami, but I do know points do+n't do us any good in the hands of a wolf. That being said, sirHar's late log- in could have caught Jayo's bedtime. I will switch again too.
The_Spider

 Posted: 10:24PM Dec 7, 2012

I have solved the clue, but Im not an idiot about it

though if the clear remains tommorow, we might be dealing with the three stooges for wolves

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 22:25:13---

Let the games, begin!
The_Spider

 Posted: 10:27PM Dec 7, 2012

buu441 voted for HarryPutter
Camillee voted for GreenApples27
catmandon voted for The_Spider
chunnie voted for HarryPutter
GreenApples27 voted for Camillee
HarryPutter voted for Jayo
Jayo voted for chunnie
jeminy voted for Camillee
JQPublic voted for GreenApples27
Rhythmic voted for catmandon
scrub88 voted for Jayo
SirHar voted for Jayo
The_Spider voted for Jayo

omg im influential

hopefully Im on to something to and not just saving a wolf or two haha

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 22:28:49---

Let the games, begin!
SirHar

 Posted: 10:30PM Dec 7, 2012

scrubbs I suspect you buu and cat...but no one listens to me so dont worry....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
buu441

 Posted: 10:31PM Dec 7, 2012

for votes on jayo? dunno how a majority got developed on him so quickly.
anyway, i will let my vote stick.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
SirHar

 Posted: 10:33PM Dec 7, 2012

or Jayo IS a wolf and scubbs is throwing him "under the bus"....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
The_Spider

 Posted: 10:37PM Dec 7, 2012

If Jayo, Cami, and Green all turn out to be human (Harry and Chunnie stretches it a bit far) Har is likely human, there is no reason for a human to scramble the way he has at the end of a round if its a human on the block in any case...I guess Ive clogged up enough room here...hoping I got one right and Jayo is a wolf, but not overly optimistc...its a blind guess afterall

edit to Scrub: not sure exact mechanisms of points, but if a wolf uses them for ill-gotten gain, Id imagine we would be able to track it

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 22:51:57---

Let the games, begin!
SirHar

 Posted: 10:45PM Dec 7, 2012

or I could switch to GA or Harry or cami...and tie it up....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
HarryPutter

 Posted: 10:49PM Dec 7, 2012

scrub88 wrote:
I could argue Har, excuse me, SirHar is not playing his usual game. He has not stated I am a suspect yet. Actually, he had not made a list yet.

He actually did the same thing last game - being helpful and justifying his votes maybe someone slipped something into his drink or something, but I'm not complaining

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
The_Spider

 Posted: 10:52PM Dec 7, 2012

*Prays to Noam Chomsky in the hopes of hitting a wolf

Let the games, begin!
Oldcustard

 Posted: 10:56PM Dec 7, 2012

So you pushed Jayo off the board...

He was HUMAN!

---This message was edited on 2012-12-07 22:56:36---

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