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The Werewolf Game #2842

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Voting Discussion
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Discussion of Round #3

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:56PM Dec 16, 2012

Thanks Spider.

Welcome to Round 3.

Nothing to reveal that you guys shouldn't already know... babyjuice and jeminy were human.

The humans need to shoot two wolves consecutively to win. The wolves just need another human shot. Good luck to both groups.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:59PM Dec 16, 2012

Honestly have not the slightest idea why the night needed to last 21 hours

I was thinking Green and Buu during the night, Jeminy eating was very very helpful

Smithy I feel is human, its too short a game, if Im wrong than Ill just tip my cap but he's done enough to pass the test so to speak. Rythmic, Ive never seen as a wolf...well Ive barely seen him at all, but his posts seemed legitimate. That leaves in my mind Harry, Green, or Buu...I was comfortable with Harry before but for some reason less so now....so it comes down to what partnerships work in my mind, let me review (and Ive been on all freaking day so dont dare use my quick RFM as evidence)

II stick to my feeling on Smithy...which will hurt if Im wrong

the partnerships are down to

Buu/GA
Buu/Rythmic
Buu/Harry
GA/Rythmic
GA/Harry
Rythmic/Harry

The only one that jumps out as unlikely is Buu/Rythmic since Rythmic joined Buus vote on GA, Again wolves dont normally vote together like that for no reason


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 06:08PM Dec 16, 2012

Yeah give me a few mos to work this one out

"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:13PM Dec 16, 2012

After rereading Round 2 Im thinking Green

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 06:21PM Dec 16, 2012

According to my calculations Rhythmic is a guaranteed wolf

"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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chunnieAtt


Posted: 06:23PM Dec 16, 2012

That took longer than I expected, given that everyone had been online by the time I woke up this morning.
Important round... Let's see how this plays out.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:24PM Dec 16, 2012

HarryPutter wrote:
According to my calculations Rhythmic is a guaranteed wolf


Fascinating Id like to see how the trick is done


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 06:25PM Dec 16, 2012



For some reason I always end up with Rhythmic being the only possible wolf partner of you 4.


"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:29PM Dec 16, 2012

Well, setting up an excel chart is like a get out of wolf free card for you, Ill assume you're human until you do it once as a wolf

So Im down to Buu Green and Rythmic I guess if Rythmic was a wolf id be Ryhtmic/Green

I guess will just wait for now


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 06:38PM Dec 16, 2012

crap I'm going to have to start doing this as a wolf now I do love me some excel

Why not buu/rhythmic?


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:41PM Dec 16, 2012

Well its possible I guess, Rythmic joined his vote for GA to form a majority...wolves usually avoid being the 2 in a 2-1-1-1-1 from what Ive seen but I guess thats no garantee, especlly after Buu backed out, so it could be

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 06:47PM Dec 16, 2012

Yeah that makes sense

I think Rhythmic/GA makes sense, but somehow I'm reconsidering ruling out buu/GA We still have 23 hours so no pressure


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:22PM Dec 16, 2012

I propose that the combo is

Green/Buu

In round one Buu came upon a three way tie of Krum/Jeminy/Spider, two proven human, and a third will who prove human, pinky swear on it Made a point of 'letting it stick', dont know if it says much but definitly something a wolf might do...whereas a human might at least analyze a little.

In round 2 he put out a vote for GA, but upon being put in a majority he instantly backed out...for what reason??? Either a wolf now voting his partner or a completely amatuerish phobia of majorities-since he goes on to cite suspicioun of Green. Did he than concoct the "what are the odds" tactic as a ploy to justify pulling himself out of the majority. And what was to be suspicious of GA in the first place, not much out round 1 to be suspicous of.

Green comes on later, ties it up between Baby and Buu even though his first statement is that with the seer dead there is now no need to vote the non-voters. And then goes on to defend Buu while maintaining a "lets see what happens" stance. Again theres nothing on Green here beyond a reasonable doubt but the overwhelming feeling he is acting. So thats my best guess....though I still have no idea what the eating of Jeminy means

but I guess Ill call it a night (barring the swooping arrival of another players input)


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 09:05PM Dec 16, 2012

Yea their interactions this game have been irking me. I want to see what they have to say

"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 10:01PM Dec 16, 2012

Well, I'm here to rain on your parade, Dan. During the night I actually looked at who people might try pair me up with, and buu was actually very low on my list considering his insistence I was cleared, and my vote to go for babyjuice over him. So I'm very surprised I'm actually being paired with him.

First of all, I said we didn't have to vote inactives to protect the Seer, but then went on to explain why I chose babyjuice over buu. Personally I still think it was the better choice since babyjuice failed to turn up at all last round.

Anyway, as for who I think is a wolf, I definitely think Smithy is human and I'm incredibly surprised he wasn't eaten. Harry is also human to me. I have no opinions on Rhythmic at the moment, but I picked up things on jeminy, Dan and buu which I all thought were suspicious. I'm obviously wrong about jeminy, so I won't get into those.

As for buu and Dan, this is my wolf pairing at the moment. Dan's note about his happiness kmrutledge was human made me think he was using reverse psychology, and then his forced comment about not going to slip in something Seerish to protect the Seer caught my eye. Also, with the Seer dead it would be expected the wolves would attempt bussing each other since there's no fear of shooting one and then having the remaining wolf divined.

buu seems to making much more of an input into this game and I don't know if last game he didn't because he was laying low as Seer, or if he was just not wolf sided. But his thoughts about me, as Smithy noted, seemed fake, forced and there to be seen as if he was making a contribution to the game.

I'd like to hear Harry's thoughts on Rhythmic as I have none on him, and I could potentially be overlooking something, but my current stance would be a buu/Dan team.
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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:25PM Dec 16, 2012

yeah. i sure dont want to be in a majority in the earlier rounds. ruling out the 3 suggested teams that i am in, the rhy/GA team seems most probable. somehow harry doesnt strike as wolf this game, since he is really making an effort with the excel sheet and all, but i guess we cant rule out anyone. and who is dan?

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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:18AM Dec 17, 2012

Dan is spider.

I'm still thinking buu is our most likely vote, not too sure about everyone else. I still stand by my thought that babyjuice was a weak choice. I do understand there was some reasoning behind it and that people can have different views but it is also undeniable that she'd represent a nice easy target for the wolves given the fact that she has no reputation to save her and was unlikely to return to defend herself. So I would say there's at least one wolf amongst the babyjuice votes, but given Rhythmic was the only other player not to join it I know that anyway.

This is a little bit of guesswork given how little we have to go on, but... I think spid's vote for babyjuice can be put down to frustration with the inactivity, and wouldn't really have been necessary as a wolf. I'm wary he may be labelling me as human to get me to trust him, but I would have had him lower on my suspiciion list before that anyway. Putter's vote again came too late to have any real impact so may not have been necessary as a wolf. I can never really read putter as I frequently don't understand him but I don't think there's much reaso to suspect him. The excel thing, I wouldn't put it past him to do as a wolf, but I guess it makes him more likely human.

Rhythmic was outside the majority and I don't really have much of a read on, but he did vote GA early on last round, which might not be the best way for a wolf to stay out the firing line, This leaves GA who I think definitely could be the wolf, as I said the babyjuice vote was justifiable to some extent but would also be the top easy choice for the wolves, and perhaps a safe target for a wolf who had been away from the game for a couple days and hadn't developed any "theories" to put forward.

Putter what's your reasoning behind the excel spreadsheet stuff? I'm not going to follow your thoughts in must lynch based on a solution with no working given.

At the moment I would most support a buu vote but I see no reason to rush into so will withhold for now.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 02:25AM Dec 17, 2012

I was just trying to work out my thoughts on who would be the most likely pair. I updated it to include the possibility of GA/buu since after reading their thoughts over it has been bugging me. But I stand by the rest Basically I excluded everyone else as pairs with one another based on how they voted/talked, and Rhythmic was the only one I could get no info on. Wolves usually like to avoid a) directly talking to their partners and b) being aggressive at all. Rhythm met both those criteria in extreme fashion, but not sure if it's just his play style or not? Even his vote for GA was weak and unconvincing, but I could be over thinking it.

Eitherway I'm in agreement with spid that we're dealing with a combo of GA, buu, and Rhythmic though. None of them are being helpful in narrowing it down with any certainty, though.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:40AM Dec 17, 2012

Those would be my top three too I guess, though rhythmic is around "neutral".

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 03:06AM Dec 17, 2012

I'M NOT A WOLF. You gentlemen are useless.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:58AM Dec 17, 2012

The fact that you 'suspect' me sort of seals it for me. You normally dont have much problem identifying my human persona, and if I must say I feel Im putting off human vibes in full force, let me read a little closer haha.

Besides you think Harry and Smithy are human, as I do, and you suspect Buu amd Rythmic (who we also suspect) while suspecting a human me. If you ARE human Green

YOU ARE JUST AS USELESS


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Smithy*en


Posted: 03:59AM Dec 17, 2012

Pretty convincing argument you've got there GA.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:01AM Dec 17, 2012

I think the "incredibly surprised Smithy wasnt eaten" is a small statement of frustration that buu's night eating choice was chosen over his And if Green was human he'd be throwing his please spare me the torment of being shot as human speach...Im willing to roll the dice on Green but I will wait, certainly until Rythmic speaks

and anyway Green with the Seer dead Id say there is much LESS chance of the wolves bussing eachother seeing as well its simplest to just go for a human and hope the humans dont go two for two in the final rounds. Your comments about my 'seer' and 'krumledge' just seem like a wolf trying to pick on anything they can find.

As for Ryhmic, should Green be a wolf, he did put him in a majority, but that was when he hadnt shown up yet so maybe felt compelled to vote him early and once Green showed up he could safely change away. I think the Baby votes were more justified than Smithy lets on, I mean what if she was a wolf, when would it have been ok to go after her?! Maybe Rythmic just didnt get on, but there is a chance his sticking with Green "till the end" was a bit of showmanship on his part haha.


Ill be out till the noon time frame, I think, depending on how things go today, might be ready to vote around then, and it will probly be for Green.


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buu441Ain


Posted: 04:29AM Dec 17, 2012

i dunno if this helps, but after last game, i would have made sure harry and ga got eaten asap if i ever became a wolf with them not on my side.

about rhythmic, he sure has been flying under the radar, and not bringing too much attention in his posts/ himself. i have played only 1 other game with him, and cant judge based only on that whether its his style, or he is a wolf.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 04:46AM Dec 17, 2012

The_Spider wrote:
I think the Baby votes were more justified than Smithy lets on, I mean what if she was a wolf, when would it have been ok to go after her?!


Purely as a matter of discussion, I think the answer really is "never". If you're lumbered with an inactive wolf there is never a time when shooting them isn't just a pot luck gamble. But anyway I acknowledged it was justifiable to some degree, just that as she turned out to be human it was also the perfect target for the wolves.

My main issue as I mentioned is that we're now in must lynch with no real intel from shootings to go through. If buu or anyone else would have been shot, there would have been some more meaningful discussion, and potentially some more interesting voting activity to analyse. If we're still stuck for anything there then we could go for babyjuice, but doing it this way round we're risking losing the game before ever giving ourselves the chance to learn much of anything from the shootings.

But anyway this is not particularly helpful now that we are where we are so I shall leave it there.

Rhythmic is currently sliding down the online now list, yet to post this round... (Unless he's just in the middle of writing a long post, in which case ignore this.)


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 05:30AM Dec 17, 2012

Ok, I'm here now. I've read everything, but I'm still sort of waking up here. I'll be leaving in a bit for a few hours, but I should be able to check back then. It may be before that if I can get WiFi on my Kindle.

First, let me say that there are a whole lot of do's and dont's I never thought about. Most of you have obviously played a lot more games (and with higher skilled players probably) than I have.

I probably am less aggressive than usual, especially after my last game (and to some extent the two before that). I also haven't been feeling good this weekend and have been sleeping more as a result.

I know I'm not as verbose as the rest of you, but let me see if I can express my thoughts here. During night jeminy was still on my list, so her eating was somewhat convenient. I am coming around on buu based on discussions last round and this one. Green is on my list as well based on his tone and general "helpfulness". I also have to wonder about HarryPutter since he said I'm "a guaranteed wolf". To clarify, I think the most likely werewolves are buu, Green, and Putter.

I really don't see anyone as 100% human (except the dead).

Wow, that was actually more words than I thought it was going to be.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 05:35AM Dec 17, 2012

I reopened the possibility of a GA/buu combo as I later explained that I ruled them out too quickly it does make sense that you'd be less aggressive based on the context of the game now that you've explained it, though. I'll mull this over

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RhythmicAus


Posted: 05:38AM Dec 17, 2012

HarryPutter wrote:
I reopened the possibility of a GA/buu combo as I later explained that I ruled them out too quickly

Yeah, I see that. It was a whole lot for me to look over in one sitting. Plus, it's early here.

By the way, all my games are listed in my wiki.


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buu441Ain


Posted: 06:15AM Dec 17, 2012

guess i shall open the voting this round. i might not be able to come online again, and dont want to miss out on voting as this is definitely an important round.

Voting GA. I believe the wolf pair is Rhy/GA. and since i have suspicion on GA earlier than Rhy, am voting based on that. Just hoping harry/smithy/spider somehow didnt manage to outsmart us all again.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 09:06AM Dec 17, 2012

Leaning more towards buy and still the same on Green.

Sorry so short - Posting from Kindle


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:37AM Dec 17, 2012

On shaky internet here so dont want to get too far in with a post..

As Ive stated, its must lynch, you cant shoot everyone, and you cant shoot someone just because they would make you look like the biggest fool if they are a wolf and they beat you, so Smithy and Harry have done enough, if either is a wolf then Im screwed no matter what I do going forward and Ill just say nice game.

Given that, I therefore conclude

A. Harry, Smithy, and Spider are human
B. There are two wolves amongst, Green, Buu and Rythmic
C. Buu and GA thus cannot be both human

I say these with a focus on Round 2 and Buu's odd analysis of Green. What we do know is that Buu fished Green, Rythmic joined him, and then Buu backed out, then calling upon bad statistics to wonder if he shuld suspect Green. My issue, is Buu knew HARRY ALSO was a wolf last game, so in that same moment he should have brought up Harry as likely human: Its one of two options

Buu is human, he was GENUiNELY suspicous of Green and thus thats why he thought abuut the what are the odds thing. If this was true, Green is a wolf by virtue of C above.

Buu is a wolf, he isolated Green and NOT Harry based on the what are the odds statement. For what reason would he do that, either Green and he had a special arrangment (both wolves) or he was playing a variation of persistent defender on GA in particular, but cant figure out why not Harry there...

Basically I think those posts by Buu are the key to the game. I still think Green is a wolf, again Ill bet anything his post about Smithy eating was a complaint to the other wolf, and I had NO idea who would be eaten last night, so its a bit of a surprise that Green was so sure it would be Smithy

Well might be it for me for the round, Ive said all i can to get my stance across, anything else just makes me look unneccessarily bad if Im wrong


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Smithy*en


Posted: 10:53AM Dec 17, 2012

Spid I think we play a pretty similar game, even down to the acknowledgements of "if x is a wolf then well done to them".

Everyone other than green thinks green is a good vote. So that's probably our best choice this round.


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chunnieAtt


Posted: 01:59PM Dec 17, 2012

Less than 4 hours left to cast your votes.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:14PM Dec 17, 2012

Ok, I have no plans to go back on my statements about Smithy or Harry but it bothers me that neither has cast a vote for Green and/or Rythmic in this period despite all indications this would be our route. I feel like most wolves play the weiney strategy of wait for the humans to misvote before making a vote themselves That being said, perhaps I am just having jitters before casting what could be the game losing vote.

Harry Smithy Rythmic if you be wolves....fire away

Voting Green


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 02:19PM Dec 17, 2012

Im just contemplating more since I dont want anyone to jump on my vote I'll just let the round time out

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 02:31PM Dec 17, 2012

If I get shot this round I am never speaking to Dan again!!!!!

I am not a wolf, and I am voting buu only because it's a better shot than me and I feel like others agree on a buu vote as well.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:35PM Dec 17, 2012

LOL

you're view on the remaining suspects is identical to mine, with the critical exception that you suspect me and I suspect you


and I was mooching wifi off a Dunkin Donuts on a short lunch break, otherwise I intended to vote


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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:47PM Dec 17, 2012

The_Spider wrote:
I feel like most wolves play the weiney strategy of wait for the humans to misvote before making a vote themselves


You're acknowledging this tactic whilst questioning myself and putter's caution in not wanting to cast such misvotes? Besides you hadn't voted until that point despite all that talk big guy.

My main reasoning was to wait to see how GA defended himself. I know he throws up a terrible fight when being shot as a human, which is somewhat missing from this game (other than one reasoned post and a few light insults)... I mean he hasn't even mentioned his three million game streak of not being shot as a human. Thus having given him the chance to defend himself with a couple posts, and him not really having done so, I will happily place another vote to the pile.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:49PM Dec 17, 2012

see above

i meant to at lunch but in a rush and bad internet haha

For record if Green is a wolf and I were to be eaten (the wolves are probly ending the game as I type ) I would disregard any of Green's actions this round, is he bluffing, double bluffing, you'll drive yourself nuts


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 02:57PM Dec 17, 2012

Yes, I'm a wolf and I knew I was going to be shot. For crying out loud eat Smithy tonight.

Adios amigos.
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chunnieAtt


Posted: 03:02PM Dec 17, 2012

Just to confirm... you shot a WOLF.
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