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The Werewolf Game #2872

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 9 rounds.

Discussion of Round #4

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 10:07PM Feb 11, 2013

RFM
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Catmandon and 21kaldridge21 were human. Neither one was the seer.

4 WOLFS remain
The passenger with the SEER remains
3 passengers with the ORACLE gene are undiscovered

Story
The arguing, insulting, and general pettiness continued the next morning. However, by the late afternoon, the passengers as a whole realized it wasn't getting them anywhere. So, the rest of the day, they all tried to concentrate on who among them was not quite human. There was a lot of theorizing about JQPublic and Catmandon. Although speculation was cast on other passengers, it was decided to test Catmandon. It was hard to tell what he was thinking as Rhythmic put him in the Silver B. Rhythmic carried Catmandon back to his cabin and laid him down as he had done with Jeminy and Asteroidbelt. The remaining passengers slept uneasily in their cabins that night.

Since, it was a near certainty that another passenger would come up missing, Rhythmic checked the cabins as soon as he woke up. Everyone was accounted for except for HarryPutter, Kitty-cat, and now 21kaldridge21. Next Rhythmic checked the Silver B readings and discoverd that Catmandon was a human. So, having used the Silver B three times, a non-human was yet to be found.


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 10:11PM Feb 11, 2013

Well, what an interesting round 3. Why catmandon was shot over JQ is beyond me, and I'm logging in a vote for him right now, until Rhythmic posts.

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 10:35PM Feb 11, 2013

I am saying either JJ or buu. They both jumped on a majority for no good reason. JQ voted cat to help save himself which is more logical than just piling on a majority with the round almost over.

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 10:45PM Feb 11, 2013

Your post is pointless, Longhorn, because of course JQ is going to vote to save himself whether he is a werewolf or a human. I don't get how you're using that to defend him?
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scrub88it


Posted: 10:58PM Feb 11, 2013

Just checking before bed, and surprised we are playing. Will wait for Rythmic before casting a vote.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:22PM Feb 11, 2013

GreenApples27 wrote:
Your post is pointless, Longhorn, because of course JQ is going to vote to save himself whether he is a werewolf or a human. I don't get how you're using that to defend him?


I did not call JQ more human. I simply said he voted for cat to save himself. Where as JJ and buu just piled on a majority without posting a legitimate reason for it. Buu simply came on just before the round ended and said he was voting with majority.

Please make sure you read the post made before you call it pointless.
Thanks


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:24PM Feb 11, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
I am saying either JJ or buu. They both jumped on a majority for no good reason. JQ voted cat to help save himself which is more logical than just piling on a majority with the round almost over.


I will post it again in case anyone wants to double check what I said.


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 11:39PM Feb 11, 2013

No, I am saying your statement saying JQ was logical was pointless, as it doesn't add anything? You imply it makes him more human than JJ or buu when you add it in next to them.

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buu441Ain


Posted: 12:05AM Feb 12, 2013

at the point i voted, i think cat was already a goner, and didnt have much chance of saving himself. only 1 hour or so was left before voting ended.
i will vote GA for now.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:43AM Feb 12, 2013

a vote for JQ is the OBVIOUS choice here, I think a goruping of JQ/JJ/Buu (Yuffie/Scrub) makese sense here

Buu, the final votes were 7-5 Catman, so you're vote could have made it 6-6, who are you trying to fool by saying it was hopeless???

I made a mistake about the Cat 'tie' thing as what he actually said was his vote will break the tie, which it didn't, so there were 3 votes on him. The rally on the Cat majority absolutely had to have wolves in it, that was the most out of nowhere, specious forming of a majority ive ever seen. Last morning I even thought the wolves saw Cat sacking himself and piled on, but appears not to be the case

JQ is once again, the obvious vote here.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 03:49AM Feb 12, 2013

Updates above

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 04:03AM Feb 12, 2013

I think JQPublic, snowmonster and Blackest_Red/Izzie are good bets for wolves.

I am off to sleep, I'll post more tomorrow!

EDIT: Oh, and just for the record, Spider, Yuffie and Elios are all human in my books.


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JJPutztus


Posted: 05:34AM Feb 12, 2013

I didn't see the reason for a majority on JQ, that's all.
SPV for now...
BTW- catman screwed himself with a suicide vote.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:03AM Feb 12, 2013

Uhuh, and whenthe majorites were Asteroid/Spider (you were a part of the latter) and there was good reason for one nd bad reason for another, you couldnt 'not care' soon enough. JQ is gonna flip wolf and your paper thin rationale for saving him will leave you in serious peril

If JQ is a wolf. BR might move down my list, JQ did put him in a brief majority in Round 3 but maybe that was for show. Yuffie I'm not sure about, her vote switch to Cat was quite surprising at the time she made it, now knwing it was against a human makes it suspicious. On the other hand, JQ made a labored point of trying to clear her (when she was in no danger) I don't think he would feel the need to do that if Yuffie was a wolf, he was just trying to score "trying to figure things out" points.

Furthermore, I believe Green and Long to be humans, with Kal being eaten, that leaves Elios as the only possible wolf in the JQ voting (though I dont think she is). If I am not mistaken about those thoughts, then surely we can expect two to three wolves in the cat voting, Should JQ be human, those sitting out though might have a few (snow in particular)

Also Buu, you posted 6 minutes after Cat, so he was clearly still on, if you vote JQ he has the power to actually make it 7-5 JQ over Cat, so saying Cat was hopeless is either a bad error or a boldfaced lie.


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Blackest_Red*


Posted: 07:53AM Feb 12, 2013

An SPV.
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scrub88it


Posted: 08:26AM Feb 12, 2013

My vote on Cat was strategic, and I am glad that a LOT of players committed. I agree that JQ is the obvious choice as I need to know if this were a human/wolf vote or a human/human vote. A human/wolf vote puts wolves on Cat's side. A human/human vote puts wolves split into all three voing camps, but I would look at the players not commtting. Voting JQ.

I agree about buu, Cat was not a gonner at that time.

Love to hear other POV.


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EliosAus


Posted: 08:27AM Feb 12, 2013

I read most of the posts up-top but I have a weird neck/back-of-head headache thing goin' on right now and I can't really concentrate.

I was fine with my vote on JQ last round, so for now I'll join that one again. I will be back later after my head stops punishing me for whatever it was I did.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:30AM Feb 12, 2013

If JQ is human (honestly since I think all the JQ voters were human Id be surprised) I would also look at the early Cat voters, who had no need to pull out of a human/human battle. That would be Izzie and I guess Scrub.

The wolves also had to seer hunt last round, so the eating of Kal, who posted a JQ vote with no sign of indecision, is a good sign JQ is a good mark


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 08:31AM Feb 12, 2013

Elios wrote:
I read most of the posts up-top but I have a weird neck/back-of-head headache thing goin' on right now and I can't really concentrate.

I was fine with my vote on JQ last round, so for now I'll join that one again. I will be back later after my head stops punishing me for whatever it was I did.


Hope you feel better!


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 08:41AM Feb 12, 2013

To clarify the post at the top...

In the story, the SEER is the Scanner for Energy Emissions Residuals. It is something a person uses. So, I probably should have made the reminders in out-of-story language.

As in:
All four werewolves and the seer are alive. All three oracles are still hidden.


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JQPublic


Posted: 08:48AM Feb 12, 2013

One thing I'll clarify about my 'clearing' of Yuffie: I wasn't really clearing her. I was really trying to argue against GA's logic that I was a wolf. GA said I'm acting like the game when I was a wolf because both times I said I couldn't follow. The truth is, that's how I feel, as a wolf or as a human.

I used this logic to 'deduce' that Yuffie is not a wolf. is not a very good clear since that's the way Yuffie feels, wolf or human, boss or employee.

Anyway, this time, it looks like I'll get shot for real. The seer hasn't divined me, which is quite surprising. I guess he or she and the people on the seer TB just assumed I was a wolf like Spider did.

I'm voting GA, who's been arguing over and over that I'm a wolf when I'm not. (Prediction: GA is going to use this line against me again. )


'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:54AM Feb 12, 2013

And GA would have been successful last round, had not a handful of voters randomly went after Cat to pull you out of the fire..quite mysterious (when do you think you would have been divined anyway, when your life was a meer Catman switch from being in jeaopardy, and thus a wasted divination ? )

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JQPublic


Posted: 09:01AM Feb 12, 2013

If you discover that I'm a human, would your opinion on GA and Blackest change?

'An idea, like a ghost, must be spoken to a little before it will explain itself.' - Charles Dickens
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:05AM Feb 12, 2013

GA, not really I feel pretty firmly he is human, BlackRed..possibly, I didnt draw a strong conclusion on him: just stating an observation.

The votes were split 7-5-4 between Cat/JQ/Offvotes

As Ive stated, the 5 JQ voters I all am inclined to believe are human (and 2 I know to a certainty Kal/Spider). You would be hard pressed to convince me therefore the cat voters dont contain atleast 2 wolves, quite possibly 3 or even 4 (though I doubt they would be so bold).

Of the non-voters, Python is sort of human in the consensus opinion and I feel that way about Werdna (it remains to be seen if he becomes a force in this game again) So that leaves possibly Snow/BlackRed as wolves with 2 in the Cat votes, and in that case i could see you being human...but the way the votes Split, I cant see you being human, sorry, my vote will not move unless directed so by a higher power


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YuffieAus


Posted: 09:18AM Feb 12, 2013

It might have been a mistake on my part to vote Catmandon, but hindsight is 20/20 and the way he acted was just plain weird. He votes himself & then when asked "Why" he just says "Boo"? To be honest, I'm upset that he was human but I'm not sorry he was taken out of the game - if you don't want to play with others, don't join the game.

There are very opinionated players in this game who tend to switch their opinions several times throughout the game. I have 13hrs to vote - I am torn between the majority on the "obvious" vote JQPublic - just to confirm his status; if he's human, I'll immediately suspect The_Spider and GreenApples27 but if he's wolf, these two would most likely be cleared as well. (I'm also of the thought that those nont involved due to the "Drama" are actually not involved b/c they are wolves (ex: Werdna, Snowmonster, etc) ) I don't suspect him the way the others do, so shooting him seems to literally be just to see what his identity is - which is why I switched last round; Cat rubbed me the wrong way & I felt more suspicion to him than JQ.

I'm also suspecting one of our Ring leaders, GreenApples27 - shooting down players' ideas so as to break our spirit - it's easier to just quietly follow someone than to speak up & be beaten down. And before this turns into another argument, allow me to show the most recent of examples of GA not allowing the players to add to the discussion:

I am saying your statement ... was pointless, as it doesn't add anything
Clarifying previous actions to solidify an opinion in one's mind is not 'pointless'. Redundant, perhaps but I'd rather Longhorn speak what's in her mind than bite her tongue until she has something deemed useful by your standards. And I am not trying to defend Longhorn, I'm explaining that GA's aggressive behavior is cause for suspicion, imo.

Edit: After reading Spider's post above, I have decided to play Sheep once more and ruthlessly vote for JQPublic. If he's a wolf, great. If he's human - then certain people will have some explaining to do.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:26AM Feb 12, 2013

Let's just remember tp let all votes get in so the seer has full protection.

if we conclude JQ is the best way to go this round, I suggest a midday ending as nights are normally much shorter that way, just my two cents


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:41AM Feb 12, 2013

Hey there! Personally, I"m not getting any wolf vibes from JQ, and I wonder why many are. I know, you've explained in detail, but I'm not seeing it like you are. Maybe I just haven't had the time to really let your theories soak in. If this is the case, my apologies for not agreeing with you.

We have a few very quiet players, that need some attention. Could our wolves be laying so low no one's noticing them? Or are they the most aggressive players . . . .

Will place my vote later. Still contemplating on which way to go.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:48AM Feb 12, 2013

What arnt you seeing Snow?

Did you not find the surge on Catman to be very odd? I literally picture a sudden tidal wave when I think about what happened
Did you not find usually indifferent (or apathetic) JJ's sudden interest in a Catman vote odd? Or Buu's vote for Catman for no reason, and then his subsequent lie/error about Cat being hopeless? You don't see why a player in a majority, who was saved by a majority on what was pretty likely a human..would arouse suspicioun? Did you not find the Kal eating an indicator that JQ and his group might be trying to find the seer? What theories don't you agree with?


My only concern about JQ tbh is you are playing a TEXTBOOK, "keeping my hands clean" wolf tactic if you know everyone is gunning for a human. I would say if JQ is human, you are my top suspect.


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:00AM Feb 12, 2013

I SEE YOUR THEORIES . . . and in a perfect game, they would make perfect sense. But we have some very smart wolves. Do you really think they would jump to save one wolf over one human - something that was so obvious????? They do have a tb - why would they subject themselves to something so obvious? They, if they are as active as they should be, have discussed their strategy.

I see it this way - the wolves saw that 2 humans were targets, and they figured, either way, we'll get a human shot.

As for your theory of me keeping my hands clean . . . I explained why I haven't dove into this game head first starting in Round 1. RL threw my house into turmoil. But things have settled down a bit . . . . . but you saying you'll suspect me if JQ is human, is no different than others saying they'll suspect you . . . . . if he turns out to be human.

Many things point to you being human, this I will agree, but not 100%.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:08AM Feb 12, 2013

I'm going to get perhaps a little 'borderline' here I am not sure we are dealing with "smart" wolves, we could just as easily be dealing with inexperienced wolves, or quite bluntly, less tactically adept wolves. Really I'd be looking at JJ as one who would jump to the defense of a teamate, and Buu, I don't know, perhaps he thought he could get away with it.

As far as hands clean, while the game in general I did mean a little, I was refering to your above post mostly. We call it the "persistent defender" tactic. Where a wolf will unreasonably defend a human to make herself look better. You don't have to think JQ is a wolf, but surely you must see it as at least plausible, If not JQ, I literally have no idea what the wolves are doing...or who they are..but you might be an option,,,and possibly JJ/Buu anyway.

Giving myself a moment here, I still like the JQ vote but more needs to be said and the limit is 8


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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:19AM Feb 12, 2013

um. when i voted, i dont think the votes stood at 6-5 and i made it 7-5. catman had a few more votes than JQ at that time. i didnt actually count them, but i remember pretty well seeing catman's name more often than JQ's on the voting list.


and as spider mentions persistent defender, i think GA is kinda doing that. spider claims i am wolf. ga almost always countered those comments by suggesting a different set of wolves, or saying the post was pointless and such (never said directly i am not wolf, but trying to make him think others are). i pretty much believe GA is a wolf now. unless of course he is seer or in the seer TB and knows a bit more than us. waiting to hear your thoughts on this one.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:23AM Feb 12, 2013

Well you counted wrong as far as the evidence shows....I have thoughts but I've talked enough...Id like to see Werdna's take on things if he is still playing...and any new thoughts by others

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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:24AM Feb 12, 2013

Spider, I do see your theory on JQ, and as good as it looks, there are loopholes, as I mentioned before. I know we're only in Round 4, but we keep shooting humans. I think I got defensive because I thought you were attacking me, simply because I didn't agree with you. You come off that way, you know. . . . . . and you and I don't play many games together, so I got defensive.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:28AM Feb 12, 2013

The thing is, if I knew we were both human my tone would be very different, but for all I know your post is full of lies, so I have to add a little sizzle to my steak when addressing people

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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:34AM Feb 12, 2013

And in turn, I will say the same for you . . . . but you know what, you aren't addressing all in the same way. This makes me wonder, if your posts aren't full of lies. There's a small part of me that says, don't clear spider. . . . he may be THAT good of a player.

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YuffieAus


Posted: 10:49AM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote:
Well you counted wrong as far as the evidence shows...


The Catmandon was not a titlewave - he had 3 votes before JQ had any - Remember, I went back & listed the times last round, so there is evidence to support this. I will quote myself for your convenience:

JQPublic


Elios - 02:16PM
GreenApples27 - 02:28PM
Yuffie - 05: 02PM
The_Spider - 05:16PM
21kaldridge21 – 09:50PM
Longhorn_fan - 10:51PM

Catmandon :

(Longhorn at 08:52AM posted just an "SPV")
Izzie 10:31AM
scrub88 - 02: 04PM
catmandon - 07:45PM (Voted to break the tie at the time)
JJPutz 09: 07PM
JQPublic - 11:20PM
Yuffie - 11:39PM


Now, this was by the end of the round, so votes could've changed several times, but most everyone who voted for Cat did so at the beginning/middle of the round - it was hardly a tidal wave. (Longhorn switched later on for JQ and I switched very late for Cat.)



The_Spider wrote:
I would say if JQ is human, you (Snowmonster) are my top suspect.


I feel that's backwards - why would a wolf protect a human? I know you say it's to appear more like a human, but there's no reason to do this when she could much more easily just vote for JQ to look innocent as to his status. Snow being unsure of the JQ vote seems more like a wolf protecting a wolf than a wolf protecting a human for the fun of it. (And I'm with her, I don't suspect JQ all that much, although I am playing lemming this round and following majority). However, I do agree Snowmonster is playing it a bit textbook-wolf; could be coincidence, but she's on my radar.

Snowmonster wrote:
I think I got defensive because I thought you were attacking me, simply because I didn't agree with you. You come off that way, you know. . . . . .


Exactly. That seems to be GreenApples27 and The_Spider's tactic this game - whether human or wolf, they will belittle and bully their way through the game. They say we need to grow thicker skin, I assume it's because they are unable to play nice. I'm suspecting you based on your inactivity & then sudden burst of activity shortly after I mentioned your name casually. THAT is where it sounds textbook - only speak up to push the spotlight away from you. Then again, this specific game hasn't been standard by any means, so inactivity is understandable...


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:56AM Feb 12, 2013

You tell me all the bullying and belittling that I've posted (save the end of Round 2) perhaps post it in the Drama Thread to keep this clean.

The "Persistent Defender" tactic is a well established and observed behaovir of some wolves. You condemn a human majority, espeically when its inevitable, a human gets shot and you dont look bad. Snow may not be doing it, but its undoubtablly a wolf move.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:00AM Feb 12, 2013

buu441 wrote:
um. when i voted, i dont think the votes stood at 6-5 and i made it 7-5. catman had a few more votes than JQ at that time. i didnt actually count them, but i remember pretty well seeing catman's name more often than JQ's on the voting list.


and as spider mentions persistent defender, i think GA is kinda doing that. spider claims i am wolf. ga almost always countered those comments by suggesting a different set of wolves, or saying the post was pointless and such (never said directly i am not wolf, but trying to make him think others are). i pretty much believe GA is a wolf now. unless of course he is seer or in the seer TB and knows a bit more than us. waiting to hear your thoughts on this one.


NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!! You came on at the end of the round with 26 minutes left and simply stated "Voting with the majority"


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:06AM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote:


As far as hands clean, while the game in general I did mean a little, I was refering to your above post mostly. We call it the "persistent defender" tactic. Where a wolf will unreasonably defend a human to make herself look better. You don't have to think JQ is a wolf, but surely you must see it as at least plausible, If not JQ, I literally have no idea what the wolves are doing...or who they are..but you might be an option,,,and possibly JJ/Buu anyway.

Giving myself a moment here, I still like the JQ vote but more needs to be said and the limit is 8


This is why I posted my "pointless" post last night.

Buu and JJ came in late in the round and voted for cat without posting a reason as to why except "joining the majority"

Ironically I do not see why JJ is still in the game, although I am glad he is as he is normall shoot/eaten by round 2, but at the same time, maybe I am just not getting the whole JQ thing.

In MY opinion what I said was perfactly valid. JQ joing the cat vote had more reason to it than the JJ/buu vote and I think that that makes them warrent a closer look.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:11AM Feb 12, 2013

I actually agree with you, you did make a valid point

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YuffieAus


Posted: 11:13AM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote:
You tell me all the bullying and belittling that I've posted (save the end of Round 2) perhaps post it in the Drama Thread to keep this clean.


I've been trying to stay out of the Drama Thread, but I may make a post this evening (I'm at work atm & can't spend much time copy/pasting for evidence)

The "Persistent Defender" tactic is a well established and observed behaovir of some wolves... Snow may not be doing it, but its undoubtablly a wolf move.


I understand that this is a possible wolf move - my point was that it's not "undoubtedly" a wolf move as you said within the same sentence that "Snow may not be doing it" (implying a smidgen of doubt).

Buu441
um. when i voted, i dont think the votes stood at 6-5 and i made it 7-5
Longhorn wrote: NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!! You came on at the end of the round with 26 minutes left and simply stated "Voting with the majority"


You're both right: Buu voted at 01:20AM Feb 11, 2013 stating
managed to come online now. joining majorities now. voting for catman.
At that time, It was 6 votes Cat, 5 votes JQ. Which would make it 7 to 5.

Lonhorn wrote:
JQ joing the cat vote had more reason to it than the JJ/buu vote and I think that that makes them warrent a closer look.


The reason people suspect JQPublic isn't based on his voting but I do agree with you - when I am able, I'll reread JJ and Buu's posts. (I can't atm but if someone beats me to it, please post your findings! ^_^)


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:16AM Feb 12, 2013

Your merging a point about specific and general cases. It's undoubtedly a move in every decent wolf's repertoire, doesnt mean its one snow is using here.

well maybe we are saying the same thing here


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YuffieAus


Posted: 11:21AM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote:
Your merging a point about specific and general cases. It's undoubtedly a move in every decent wolf's repertoire, doesnt mean its one snow is using here.

well maybe we are saying the same thing here


Yes, it is a tactic in every wolf's repertoire; I agree. My point was specifically regarding your previous post directed at Snowmonster:

My only concern about JQ tbh is you are playing a TEXTBOOK, "keeping my hands clean" wolf tactic if you know everyone is gunning for a human. I would say if JQ is human, you are my top suspect.


It is possible she is a human and simply doesn't suspect JQPublic, like me. Yes, it IS possible she's using a wolf tactic, but I don't think it solidifies her guilt should he be human.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 11:21AM Feb 12, 2013

Double post to agree - YES, I think we are saying the same thing but our semantics are tweaked a little.

Let's instead focus on JJ & Buu441.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:22AM Feb 12, 2013

You may be right, I agree, but coupled with Snow's relative distance from all majorites, a 'wallflower' is a good bet for one of the wolves.

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EliosAus


Posted: 11:34AM Feb 12, 2013

Rhythmic wrote:
Hope you feel better!
Thank you! I do feel a lot better - Extra-Strength Bayer is a wonderful drug.

The_Spider wrote:
You may be right, I agree, but coupled with Snow's relative distance from all majorities, a 'wallflower' is a good bet for one of the wolves.
I also agree; that was the impetus for my JQPublic vote. I chose him out of the several at-the-time wallflowers b/c he didn't have any votes on him. I'll admit it wasn't a sturdy vote, based on that. I also wasn't expecting that vote to gain any followers, but GA's reasoning made/makes sense. So, that's why I'm still on JQ now.

If there is a more suspicious 'flower now, I'm open to hearing arguments. I did read over the Snow, JJ, & Buu discussions but I'll be honest - I am totally lost. (Pain is gone but head is still on lopsided. LOL) Anyone care to put together a flow-chart or spreadsheet for me? (Ok, ok, bullet points will be acceptable.)


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:36AM Feb 12, 2013

Yes.
The good thing here though is we are in Round 4, still have a seer, and 3 people should be in the seer TB, unless a wolf has been divined then there would only be 2 extra people in the box. (Sorry if this is pointless and obvious, but in the world people can not read other's minds so we must say what were are thinking)


My only thought on the gunning on JQ is that they have been divined aa a wolf and there are 3 people total that know this.
If this is the case then perhaps it should be made known to the rest of us so we can all know the reasoning behind the vote.


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 11:45AM Feb 12, 2013

I"ll be absent most of the afternoon because of a dr. visit, but will place a vote this evening. For those suspecting me of being a wallflower. . . . if you've played any games with me, you know that I stay out of majorities the first 2-3 rounds, that's normal for me. What is not normal, is what transpired in my home over the weekend, with daughter moving back in. . . . If you don't wish to believe me, that's fine.

I don't like the tone of this game. It's as if, it's one persons way or the highway. Sorry, but that's how I feel. I posted my thoughts on JQ, and look what happens.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:52AM Feb 12, 2013

See this is what I don' get? what happened exactly? Yuffie, you, I, and others simply discussed the various interpretations of the evidence and statements. I just don't see what there is to get upset about here

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 12:03PM Feb 12, 2013

As of now there are 10 votes and 14 players. we need 4 more votes for full seer protection

Day
It takes 8 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

Blackest_Red voted for scrub88
buu441 voted for GreenApples27
Elios voted for JQPublic
GreenApples27 voted for JQPublic
JJPutz voted for Elios
JQPublic voted for GreenApples27
Longhorn_fan voted for buu441
scrub88 voted for JQPublic
The_Spider voted for snowmonster
Yuffie voted for JQPublic

Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.

EDIT: to add list


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YuffieAus


Posted: 12:15PM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote
See this is what I don' get? what happened exactly? ... I just don't see what there is to get upset about here


Allow me to try to explain: it's not what you've been saying, it's how you've been saying it that leads to an offensive interpretation (as defined in Sports, not that you're offending people) i.e. being a bully. Not just you - GreenApples27 as well (imo he's worse) and possibly PYTHON early on and myself at times as well, since I got wrapped up in arguing with you.

Example: It's one thing to say "I disagree with your idea and here's why..." but another to say "that idea is stupid/pointless/juvenile/etc because...". The players in this game have been reading these posts as the latter example. You have valid points but you address the people you're speaking to in a condescending/insulting manner - you explained it yourself:

or all I know your post is full of lies, so I have to add a little sizzle to my steak when addressing people


That "sizzle" that you add to your "steak" is what is being viewed negatively, although I will say that I think you've gotten better this round
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EliosAus


Posted: 12:17PM Feb 12, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
The good thing here though is we are in Round 4, still have a seer, and 3 people should be in the seer TB, unless a wolf has been divined then there would only be 2 extra people in the box.
Thank you for posting that, actually. This game has felt soo long, I forgot we were only in Round 4. But, at the beginning, Rhy said "The passenger with the SEER remains." (bold for singular added) So, then, one of the divined people is now dead? Or has the SEER been used extremely well and we possibly have 2 divined WOLFs?

My only thought on the gunning on JQ is that they have been divined as a wolf and there are 3 people total that know this.
If this is the case then perhaps it should be made known to the rest of us so we can all know the reasoning behind the vote.
Also what I was thinking. An emissary from the SEER user might be nice; you might (probably) get eaten, but at least a WOLF will be taken down with you.

I have played with Snowy before, and I don't see anything different in her play. (But I also have a horrible memory. I don't even remember what my role was in the last game I played. xD ) I agree with her comment about the tone. To that I restate my "it's not what is said, it's how it's said" observation. I'm learning to force myself to read everything in the voice of one of the Goofy Gophers, though, so that helps!

Edit to add: Oops! Sorry, I was writing my post when Yuffie posted hers. I apologize for the redundancy.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 12:21PM Feb 12, 2013

when I am asking someone I trust to clarify a point (see my questions to LHF last round about JQ voting) I tend to speak plainly. when I am skeptical of a person's true motivations I tend to use ??? at the end of my posts. That's one example of 'sizzle' though I was mainly being playful when I said that.

There is an 'asking' tone to my posts when i dont view anothers thoughts as suspicous

and a "challenging" tone when I am legitimately skeptical if the person really feels that way about their posts (i.e. they may be a wolf)

Anyway....we should have a fun round ahead of us so let's see where it goes


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 12:47PM Feb 12, 2013

Elios wrote:
But, at the beginning, Rhy said "The passenger with the SEER remains." (bold for singular added) So, then, one of the divined people is now dead? Or has the SEER been used extremely well and we possibly have 2 divined WOLFs?


See my other post about that. Right after I said I hope you feel better.

EDIT: I'll just say it again
To clarify the post at the top...

In the story, the SEER is the Scanner for Energy Emissions Residuals. It is something a person uses. So, I probably should have made the reminders in out-of-story language.

As in:
All four werewolves and the seer are alive. All three oracles are still hidden.


Sorry for any confusion


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 12:51PM Feb 12, 2013

GreenApples27 wrote:
RFM
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The remaining passenger slept uneasily in their cabins that night.



Interesting in Elios point she emphized PASSENGER...I am more inclined to emphize THEIR.....Implying plural, however the statement does not mention anything about the S.E.E.R. so I am thinking Ryth ment more along the lines of the rest of us.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 12:54PM Feb 12, 2013

Maybe I should just stay away from the story aspect

From Round 1
As far as the story goes, I am just writing it for entertainment, added fun, or whatever. There are not meant to be clues in the story, nor is the story meant to mislead.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 12:54PM Feb 12, 2013

Also Ryth said story would not hold any clues

OOPS, was typing while Ryth was, sorry to double post same point


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 12:56PM Feb 12, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
Also Ryth said story would not hold any clues

OOPS, was typing while Ryth was, sorry to double post same point


No problem.

This - "The remaining passenger slept uneasily in their cabins that night" was a typo. Again -
I've fixed it.


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EliosAus


Posted: 01:17PM Feb 12, 2013

Rhythmic wrote:
See my other post about that. Right after I said I hope you feel better.
Oh, bah! I did read that and that's why I was trying so hard to say "the SEER was used" etc. Totally my fault - I misread "passenger with the SEER" as "passenger with the Seer".

Ok, so back to what LH said, then: 2, possibly 3, divined Humans are in the room with the SEER operator. And we are in Round 4. (Just reminding myself LOL)


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 01:38PM Feb 12, 2013

I'm just about to leave for school, so can't post to defend myself until after school, but honestly listen to Spider, I'm not a wolf, I'm a human who had legitimate reasons for suspecting someone, only to have it ignored by a whole lot of people who voted cat.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 01:38PM Feb 12, 2013

Elios wrote:
I have played with Snowy before, and I don't see anything different in her play. (But I also have a horrible memory.


Actually, thinking back - I've played with Snowmonster before and she was way more confident when she was a human Rhythmic's No Frill's Werewolf Game #2835 - Ironically, that's the game where I felt harassed & bullied and ended up voting for myself (to recap: The person I suspected (HABS) was the remaining wolf, but no one would believe me b/c I accidentally shot our Seer early on & no one believed my explanation).

She's usually not uber-active, so that's normal, but she doesn't seem to be playing, if that makes any sense. She could be distracted or she could be a wolf.

So, while Snowmonster is busy at home with her daughter moving in (Causing her to be a bit less active), I don't necessarily believe her playing coy with her theories...

EDIT:
GreenApples27 wrote:
I'm not a wolf, I'm a human


Based on earlier discussions in the game, GA has dignity & integrity so since he flat out said he's human, he would have to be a hypocrite to be a wolf. Therefore, my suspicion of him has been suspended until further notice. But GA, if you ARE a wolf this game - it's not cool to play so dirty. (Edit to clarify that it's not dirty to lie about your identity but it is dirty to say that those who use deceit in gameplay have a lower moral fiber than you, only to then be deceitful yourself).


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 01:49PM Feb 12, 2013

Actually snowy can be hard to read sometimes. She is very adept at changing her playing style and that is what makes her a good player, wolf, human, or seer.

I do want to make a serious note of us stll having our SEER. We must take into consideration that the seer is a special role and they do not like to draw attention to themselves as this might get them shot or eaten.....Therefore this is why I am not a fan of the "they have been more quite" tatic. I find it seldom brings out the furballs.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 01:54PM Feb 12, 2013

Also I am wondering why there are some player who are still here.

The wolves had the audicity to eat Harry, but not Spider and GA...who are in the same "group".

This is bugging me.

IF JQ was a wolf, then they SHOULD eat Spider and GA as those are the two players calling him out. If I were a wolf, I would. Who cares....JQ is a goner anyways. Eat them now before they find the rest of us would be my motto.....Plus, GA and Spider act like they KNOW who the wolves are so in that respect the wolves would want to pick them off as possible seers.

This is another reason I am just not buying the whole JQ thing.....but I have seen GA and Spid finds wolves like a kid finds a lollipop.......(Kids always can find candy, incase you did not get that one )


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YuffieAus


Posted: 01:57PM Feb 12, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
Actually snowy can be hard to read sometimes. She is very adept at changing her playing style and that is what makes her a good player, wolf, human, or seer.


That's true. I'm not sure how I feel about Snowmonster; I can see her being a wolf but I'm not sure at this point that she is a wolf.

We must take into consideration that the seer is a special role and they do not like to draw attention to themselves as this might get them shot or eaten.


Totally agreed, but like others have said - the Seer has probably 3 people in a talkbox with them: That's 4 players total out of the 14 players left - The Seer isn't going to speak up (and for good reason) but one of those three could be brazen enough to spew out the findings of the Seer; they would most likely be eaten b/c they're being a troublemaker (for the wolves) but we'll have gotten some answers w/o losing our Seer.

Unless those in the talkbox ARE vocalizing the Seer's findings... or, the Seer has only divined humans (which we still need to know if we're about to shoot one) but by now, there are several players I would have personally divined, so either they really are human or no one is feeling brave.

It's a possible suicide mission to spew out the Seer's findings but the wolves would know that person isn't actually the Seer & there are more "back at the base" so it's possible they wouldn't eat the messenger...

EDIT:

Longhorn_Fan wrote:
IF JQ was a wolf, then they SHOULD eat Spider and GA as those are the two players calling him out. If I were a wolf, I would. Who cares....JQ is a goner anyways. Eat them now before they find the rest of us would be my motto.....Plus, GA and Spider act like they KNOW who the wolves are so in that respect the wolves would want to pick them off as possible seers.


This has been my issue the entire game as well. It seems like Spider/GA have nothing to fear by being so forthcoming with all of their finger pointing, but the wolves are probably hoping we think this very thought & so are possibly framing them... Are they in the talkbox with the Seer or with the wolves? Either way, they're acting like they know more than the rest of us.

(Hope my posts are making sense, I'm at work so I'm getting distracted a lot LOL)


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 02:18PM Feb 12, 2013

I agree with you yuffie, which is why I posted eariler that I think that in this point in the game (WE HAVE NOT FOUND ONE WOLF) it is time for someone to come out and say hey so and so are clear. Yes the wolves will eat them but it keeps us from shooting them as the wolves will ALWAYS get a human a night (duh, I know) so either way, a cleared player or non-clear gets eaten.

AND YES I do see the harm in having a cleared player eaten but at the same time that also protects the seer from being eaten.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:24PM Feb 12, 2013

I disagree, if the clears are safe and not in trouble, why expose them? what gain is there. For example, if the seer has cleared Werdna, Elios, and Scrub, none of them are at risk THIS round, so why come forward unless things change and they are in danger. NEXT round, we need infor because we are getting too close to must lynch to play around (provided our shot this round is a human, if its a wolf we are ok)

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 02:40PM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote:
I disagree, if the clears are safe and not in trouble, why expose them? what gain is there. For example, if the seer has cleared Werdna, Elios, and Scrub, none of them are at risk THIS round, so why come forward unless things change and they are in danger. NEXT round, we need infor because we are getting too close to must lynch to play around (provided our shot this round is a human, if its a wolf we are ok)


I am saying in refrence to eariler posts in which I was stating if the seer has divined someone to be a wolf and that is the reason for the continuing attack on a specific palyer

The good thing here though is we are in Round 4, still have a seer, and 3 people should be in the seer TB, unless a wolf has been divined then there would only be 2 extra people in the box. (Sorry if this is pointless and obvious, but in the world people can not read other's minds so we must say what were are thinking)


My only thought on the gunning on JQ is that they have been divined aa a wolf and there are 3 people total that know this.
If this is the case then perhaps it should be made known to the rest of us so we can all know the reasoning behind the vote.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 02:44PM Feb 12, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
I agree with you yuffie, which is why I posted eariler that I think that in this point in the game (WE HAVE NOT FOUND ONE WOLF) it is time for someone to come out and say hey so and so are clear. Yes the wolves will eat them but it keeps us from shooting them as the wolves will ALWAYS get a human a night (duh, I know) so either way, a cleared player or non-clear gets eaten.

AND YES I do see the harm in having a cleared player eaten but at the same time that also protects the seer from being eaten.


In this above post I did make a mistake in saying "clear" I ment to say "wolf" but my brain got ahead of my typing in that the wolves will eat the person who comes out with the ID.


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YuffieAus


Posted: 02:52PM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote:
I disagree, if the clears are safe and not in trouble, why expose them? what gain is there. For example, if the seer has cleared Werdna, Elios, and Scrub, none of them are at risk THIS round, so why come forward unless things change and they are in danger. NEXT round, we need infor because we are getting too close to must lynch to play around (provided our shot this round is a human, if its a wolf we are ok)


I see what you're saying, but only the cleared players know they are clear - so they are just as much at risk as the rest of us - so, where I agree that they're identities shouldn't be revealed until they come under suspect, if the Seer has divined a wolf, we need to know.

You said before we only have 6 shots - we are on Round 4 & it's looking like JQPublic will be #4. It's worth it to risk a safe-player in return for a wolf (it'll buy us another round) since a player has to be eaten anyway & we won't know who is cleared until (1) someone speaks up (2) they get shot/eaten.

Why postpone this action another round? If JQ has been cleared via divination, we can save a bullet OR if so-and-so has been divined a wolf, even better.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:56PM Feb 12, 2013

Well don't forget, the cleared players are not in danger from one another, so they are for sure safer than the unclears. And my statement is on the condition that the clears are not in reality in danger. IF JQ were a clear, than yes someone might want to let us know

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 03:08PM Feb 12, 2013

TRUE DAT!



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YuffieAus


Posted: 04:40PM Feb 12, 2013

The_Spider wrote:
IF JQ were a clear, than yes someone might want to let us know


Repeating it for emphasis

Okay so... it looks like JQPublic will be put in the Silver B this round (well, a lot COULD happen in the last 5 1/2hrs but slightly doubtful) so, let's discuss the other avenues - we'd touched upon Snowmonster but no one's really said much about the other two previously mentioned: Buu441 and JJPutz.

JJPutz seems unusually quiet lately, I keep forgetting he's in this game! His only posts are really "SPV, I'll check back later" or commenting on the weather. In Round 3 he voted for Catmandon b/c of his odd fascination with Kitty-Cat & this round he's only posted once to say he didn't see a reason for a majority on JQ & to SPV. **Edit to note: As JJPutz has pointed out, I've not played a game with him for quite some time - the player I confused him for is JPost; I'm unfamiliar with how JJ plays but the rest of the information is relevant**

Buu441 is just as quiet - SPVing to make ties in the 1st two rounds & then to stay with the majority on Catmandon. He's been more active this round but that's probably due to his name being brought up as a possible wolf.


Neither of them have said anything to use as evidence for/against them b/c neither of them have said anything.

Edit:

Werdna hasn't logged on today & his last post said
Ok, so as not to ruin the game for the rest, I will continue to vote whilst I am still in the game, but I wont be participating.
I'm hoping that now that all the drama died down, he will come back... As a gentle prod, might I quote Werdna himself in Round 2 saying, "Switching to asteroid for not posting. That's criminal. Defeats the point of the game."

Anyway, until Round 3 his posts were mostly to get everyone to stop bickering, but he did voice a suspicion against Blackest_Red and 21Kaldridge21. Reading his posts, he sounds genuine in just wanting to play the game. He was one of the few who posted that remained calm though, so he could be a wolf trying to lay low... not really thinking it's him atm though.


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WerdnaAen


Posted: 04:48PM Feb 12, 2013

Ok guys, I think it's a good time to come out. I am the SEER. I have two wolves already. Snowmonster and Scrub. Since we aren't doing so great, if you have these identities you will win the game for us. Good luck.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 04:55PM Feb 12, 2013

0.o Not going to quote but maybe that was too blunt?
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WerdnaAen


Posted: 04:57PM Feb 12, 2013

I was lying low til all the bickering died down. It was dull. And I was busy today. But I hope I've been some help though.

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YuffieAus


Posted: 04:59PM Feb 12, 2013

Definitely! Do you have a human identity you can release?

Edit: Going to now go through & try to weed out any useful tidbits I can find!

Okay, I feel guilty for cheating but since the cat is out of the bag:

VOTING:

ROUND 1:
Scrub - Jeminy
Snomonster - The_Spider

ROUND 2:
Scrub - Blackest_Red
Snowmonster - no vote

ROUND 3:
Scrub -Catmandon
Snowmonster - Elios

ROUND 4:
Scrub - JQPublic
Snowmonster - no vote

Based on the above, the following players are most likely human:
The_Spider
Blackest_Red
Elios
JQPublic

They could have placed a vote for one of their own, but I'm not sure that's really a common practice. Maybe Scrub's vote on JQ this round but I'm doubtful of that.


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WerdnaAen


Posted: 05:03PM Feb 12, 2013

I was divining catmandon as people suspected him, but I didn't expect the late surge of votes on him and didn't get a chance to come back to change my vote before the round was over
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YuffieAus


Posted: 05:09PM Feb 12, 2013

Ahh, it's cool - well, thank you! Since you'll probably be eaten, can you list any and everyone you suspect? (even if you don't have solid evidence, you're really the only person we can without a doubt trust)
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Posted: 05:17PM Feb 12, 2013

Ok, I was lucky getting 2 wolves out of 2, unlucky 3rd round. But here's my feeling based on posts, voting and relationships.
Blackest_Red - Either way/unsure
buu441 - likely wolf
Elios - likely human
GreenApples27 - Either way/unsure
Izzie - too quiet
JJPutz - too quiet
JQPublic - wolf vibe
Longhorn_fan - likely human
PYTHON - human
scrub88 - Divined Wolf
snowmonster - Divined Wolf
The_Spider - human
Werdna - Seer (Obviously)
Yuffie - likely human

I was going for buu tonight as he was my biggest suspect.


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WerdnaAen


Posted: 05:30PM Feb 12, 2013

A little suspicious you wanted to know the human identity though yuffie, as a clear would make them a prime meal for the wolves and not help the humans too much.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 05:37PM Feb 12, 2013

Okay, so going by the posts made by Scrub88 and Snowmonster, I got:

Buu441: Both Snow & Scrub have SPV'd Buu numerous times - I'm thinking he's human.
Izzie: Scrub SPV'd her once but then changed his vote 1hr 1/2 later.
Longhorn_Fan: Scrub88 said he "feels good" about her - could be a play of Scrub to seem human.
PYTHON: Both Snow & Scrub suspected him & then later retracted that; I think he's human.



Based on Werdna's opinion, the wolf possibilities are:

VIBING
Buu441
JQPublic
**Scrub88
**Snowmonster

UNSURE :
Blackest_Red
GreenApples27

TOO QUIET:
Izzie
JJPutz


So, the biggest discrepancy is Buu441. The wolves have taken turns SPVing him - this might mean nothing but in this very game an SPV turned majority several times (PYTHON, Catmandon, JQPublic)

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The voting right now looks like:

Elios voted for JQPublic
GreenApples27 voted for JQPublic
scrub88 voted for JQPublic

Blackest_Red voted for scrub88

buu441 voted for GreenApples27
JQPublic voted for GreenApples27

JJPutz voted for Elios

Longhorn_fan voted for buu441

PYTHON voted for PYTHON

The_Spider voted for snowmonster
Werdna voted for snowmonster
Yuffie voted for snowmonster


I had been on JQPublic but even still 3 votes on him is hardly a lost cause - I think Scrub is voting JQPublic b/c he knows he's human.

Blackest_Red is probably human, since I believe his vote on Scrub was pre-reveal.

Thoughts?

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Edit:

Werdna wrote:
A little suspicious you wanted to know the human identity though yuffie, as a clear would make them a prime meal for the wolves and not help the humans too much.


Well, since you'll most likely be eaten, the cleared human will have no way of defending him/herself with the "I've been cleared" should s/he come under suspicion. Plus, I'm nosey But seriously though, we know 2 wolves but we still need to figure out the other 2; if we can clear one player unquestionably, then their opinions & interactions between players can provide another source for clues as to the other two identities.


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JJPutztus


Posted: 05:40PM Feb 12, 2013

Guys, I'm sorry, but I haven't played a game with Yuffie since Braingle was unblocked at my school. Admin decided it was R-rated and obscene/ tasteless and blocked it.
Well, I will go with snowy this round, but if she isn't a wolf, you get my vote tomorrow Werdna. (assuming you aren't eaten).


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YuffieAus


Posted: 05:43PM Feb 12, 2013

JJPutz wrote:
I haven't played a game with Yuffie since Braingle was unblocked at my school


Really? I SWEAR I've played with you like 2 games ago... (Goes to look) OHH!! Sorry - I'm thinking of Jpost!! My bad, sorry JJ ^_^;;

JJPutz wrote:
I will go with snowy this round, but if she isn't a wolf, you get my vote tomorrow Werdna. (assuming you aren't eaten).


Why would Werdna be lying about being the Seer? If Snow/Scrub aren't wolves then Werdna would be handing us a wolf in himself (unless he's just a giant troll, but now that the drama has been cleared up, there's no reason to want out).



Edit to note: I've been so active b/c I'm stuck at work, literally twiddling my thumbs until 7pm Once that clock hits the dot, I'll be off for the night


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WerdnaAen


Posted: 05:48PM Feb 12, 2013

I wouldn't discount casual SPVs, especially if they changed mid-round. You're right, JQ is probably human as scrub is voting him before he was revealed as a wolf. He might have thought JQ was a lost cause though and sacrificing him to appear human. It could go either way. Thats the thing about this game, any action can be used to clear or condemn if you look at it a certain way. I really couldn't call it. But hopefully the humans will have a better chance now 2 wolves are down.
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JJPutztus


Posted: 05:49PM Feb 12, 2013

Yeah, sorry bout that, just realized.
Yeah, but it just got blocked 2 weeks ago. i hate my district


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 05:56PM Feb 12, 2013

la la la la . . . la la la la . . . . hey hey hey . . . . . gooooooooooooooooood byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy . . . .

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JJPutztus


Posted: 05:59PM Feb 12, 2013

Sory for the double post, but can somebody explain to me why you are suspecting me? Just because I'm me isn't sufficient.

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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 06:33PM Feb 12, 2013

Oh, and my above post does not mean I am agreeing that I am a wolf. . . . I kinda figure I'm outa hear cause of the votes on me. This game, no offense to the mod, who has been awesome, has been pretty lame, with all the drama. . . . . and such. . . .

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EliosAus


Posted: 07:27PM Feb 12, 2013

snowmonster wrote:
la la la la . . . la la la la . . . . hey hey hey . . . . . gooooooooooooooooood byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy . . . .
As far as "last words" go, those're pretty awesome.

This was definitely a huge twist, the SEER coming straight out and all. Excellent aim, Werdna - 2 in 3 shots! I've switched my vote to Snowy as well. I can't see where this would be a lie; it'd be kind of pointless to try that. It's a bit concerning that now we'll be sans SEER, though. And there are no cleared players left in the SEER box to collude with each other. Will be interesting to see if we can find the remaining 2 wolves in time.


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JQPublic


Posted: 08:02PM Feb 12, 2013

Going with snowy too, then.

Edit: Werdna reminds me of MrsBlondie last game. Maybe he's just pretending to be the seer to avoid the real seer being eaten?


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:07PM Feb 12, 2013

This game has been quite interesting in my opinion and the 'drama' isnt that hard to sift through....sweet, I think JQ might be human as I alluded to before. Lets end this round then and hope it breeds a quick night!

well maybe not, but thats for next round

Good job Werdna



you know I really think JQ is human now (provided Snow is indeed a wolf) Snow is not foolish enough to defend JQ when there were 4 votes on him and all was hopeless, unless it is an epic bluff. I think we had a textbook "persistent defender" play by Snow there..really makes things interesting after Snow/Scrub shots though


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JJPutztus


Posted: 08:56PM Feb 12, 2013

Nah, JQ, Werdna's gotta be seer.
R1: Snowy
R2: Scrubmeister (going there next!)
R3: catman


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Izzie*


Posted: 09:05PM Feb 12, 2013

too much to read at the moment, bit i am voting for snow

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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:17PM Feb 12, 2013

No matter what. . . . I did not lie about being too busy to focus on this game. Daughter DID in fact move back home. . . . and we had about a weeks notice, to move her brother out of her old room, so she could move back in it. Not fun stuff to go through, and if I did not play my best, it was due to RL drama unfolding here at home. NOW, husband has been sick, and off work, so . . . . there ya go. I come to see how the game's going, and all I see is drama. . . drama, drama, drama. . . . enough to give me a headache.

So you see Spider, I do not lie . . . . . about everything.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:23PM Feb 12, 2013

I never said or implied you lied (about RL) please tell me where you are getitng this from? (again RL not gameplay decisions which is the whole point of the game and expected of a wolf)

all I said is you stayed out of majorities (fact) and pulled a "persistent defender" (remains to be seen)

I've dropped this basically middle of round 3, you guys wanna read every possible offense into my posts and keep bringing the subject up. There comes some point where people can legitimately overreact, Im sorry but its my opinion and the opinion of quite a few outside observers, that you guys have


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buu441Ain


Posted: 09:25PM Feb 12, 2013

@yuffie: you mentioned i was being too quiet the previous rounds. that was because i had my maths exam on monday, and i was busy elsewhere over the weekend. got two days of leave before my chemistry exam tomorrow, which is why i have been able to spend a bit more time online.

voting snow now. good job seer. but you might have been able to do one more round of divining as you weren't flying that high in anyone's radar. down you go, snowy


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scrub88it


Posted: 09:33PM Feb 12, 2013

Unfortunately werdna, your timing was perfect. You were our second vote last night. You would not have lasted tonight.
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RhythmicAus


Posted: 09:01AM Feb 13, 2013

Night Posting

Snowmonster was a WOLF

EDIT: Well, there's about 2 hours left in the round now. Unfortunately it has been a heck of a week and I won't be able to post in Round 5 until about 5:30 a.m. EST. Sorry for any problems that might cause.


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