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The Werewolf Game #2885

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 6 rounds.

Discussion of Round #4

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 12:40PM Mar 6, 2013

RFM
Yes, PianistChris was a wolf. Congratulations, guests. The searchers heard a creak on the staircase and bombarded the faceless perpetrator with each of their prospective weapons. He and his pointed cello peg were no match for the rest of them. Unfortunately, with his dying breath, the second conspirator to fall plunged the sharp instrument of death into the good Reverend Redneck's heart and both of them fell lifeless over the banister.

SirHar was not the Seer.


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 12:42PM Mar 6, 2013

I'm feeling confident Chris was a wolf.

I'll wait to see what ka-ching has to say, though. Trying to work out the most likely partners for Chris.
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spades_lobster


Posted: 12:53PM Mar 6, 2013

Chris posted his ID in my game. thinking OC and will SPV
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Smithy*en


Posted: 12:57PM Mar 6, 2013

Yeah Chris was a wolf.

An OC/PC pairing is distinctly viable. Neither voted for each other last round, both going for 21kal - this is just as likely to be about the timing of the majorities rather than them working together, but it does mean there's no reason they couldn't be a pair.

Voting OC.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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spades_lobster


Posted: 01:09PM Mar 6, 2013

unless he is pardoned by the governator, OC should be shot this round as he has virtually no marks in his favor
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JayoAie


Posted: 01:13PM Mar 6, 2013

Just about to finish up here at work, will vote when I get home but OC is a decent shout

Be great if the Seer divined him and struck gold


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 02:23PM Mar 6, 2013

The Rev was right

21Kal's move last round was also pretty with her opt for a 3-way tie instead of saving herself by voting Chris. I'm going to vote 21Kal now since we don't want a runaway majority in case the seer hasn't voted.


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:36PM Mar 6, 2013

The Rev was about the six millionth person to voice suspicion of Chris.

True but Chris' vote on her kinda counters that a bit. Her play was pretty poor whatever her role so I'm not sure we can conclude either way, OC and kal are definitely our best options at the moment.


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"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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jeminyten


Posted: 02:41PM Mar 6, 2013

Dare I believe we have made a choice of who to shoot this early in the round It took a bit longer last round.

I'll probably end up voting OC in the end, but for now I'll go with a 21kaldridge21 vote as well.


I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:48PM Mar 6, 2013

We had our little pool of suspects established pretty quickly, now we're just picking them off one by one.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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spades_lobster


Posted: 02:55PM Mar 6, 2013

I kind of had 21K as cleared after last round, certainly doesnt strike me as a better vote than OC here

but I guess there is the possibility she had to 3-way to give PC and her both a chance


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 03:42PM Mar 6, 2013

I think OC is probably still a better bet when taking into account the KG majority

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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dfamina


Posted: 04:52PM Mar 6, 2013

I'm going to cast my vote for Smithy. I said this last round, but his ability to convince folks to vote his way seems a wee bit convenient to me. Now, that would be true regardless of his role, but he's a sly one. If he is a wolf, he's done a great job thinning out the herd, leading the charge and taking the rest of us out, one by one. Now, if you want something that'll make you all say "By jove, he's right!", you're out of luck. I simply have my suspicions.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 05:06PM Mar 6, 2013

People aren't being convinced by me, they just happen to be following the same lines of reasoning as me, because they are indeed pretty solid lines of reasoning - and saying I'm suspicious because I'm trusted is rather paradoxical. But congratulations on throwing out a "spicy" vote in your first game.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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dfamina


Posted: 05:10PM Mar 6, 2013

Haven't you ever seen the movies featuring the clever bad guy? And it's not precisely -because- you're trusted that you're suspicious. It's that silver tongue of yours. Or silver fingers, if you want to nitpick.
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spades_lobster


Posted: 05:13PM Mar 6, 2013

Well then you would shoot Smithy everygame just because he 'might be tricking us'?
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Smithy*en


Posted: 05:18PM Mar 6, 2013

Yeah, the vote seems to be based on potential rather than specific reality, which seems a little unfair. The clever bad guy has to actually give themselves away before being shot.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 05:24PM Mar 6, 2013

If I had a dime for every time rolu used that reasoning to get me shot, I would have at least $1.50

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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spades_lobster


Posted: 05:34PM Mar 6, 2013

Theres no way Rolu got you shot 15 times
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jeminyten


Posted: 05:37PM Mar 6, 2013

You should charge more for it

I don't think Smithy is a wolf. I might be wrong, but that's my thoughts.
I can see the reasoning for both votes for 21kal and OC. I'll just give everyone a chance to vote and then make a decisive vote in the morning.


I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 06:08PM Mar 6, 2013

spades_lobster wrote:
Theres no way Rolu got you shot 15 times


He tried, at least. Using the "Harry is a WW mastermind so would have anticipated all of this from the beginning"


"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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spades_lobster


Posted: 07:36PM Mar 6, 2013

Kal was on and didnt post, why do the suspects refuse to help us or themselves? how do you people view the point of the WWG? Its not a musical that you sit back and watch and make a choice, do something to help us, or at least help us judge you
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 08:29PM Mar 6, 2013

Well, I don't think I have much defence in my favour If you guys need me to get better at this (which I admit, I do) someone give me some advice...I seem to never be any good at finding things in previous rounds...

Although you see me and 21kal as a wolf pairing, I did vote 21k last round, and I'm prepared to do it again. Even though me and chris voted her last round, I swear I was just majority piling as I usually do and not a wolf move.

If anyone knows a good reference for being a helpful TWG/WTB player, let me know, please? Or make one?
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 08:43PM Mar 6, 2013

Why is Kal the majority? Chris' posts about her last round is not that of a wolf bussing a fellow wolf. Plus her tying it up wasn't trying to not vote a partner, in my opinion, but her trying to not look wolfish by voting the other person, which she expressed earlier when she said that whatever she did we'd find suspicious.

Right now I could go with a Dan, Harry or OC vote. I don't like how Harry tied it up in the end, then criticised Kal's weird play when he himself also did weird play at the end which also jeopardised the shooting of a wolf. Dan, I am not as convinced about as I may have been last round, concerning his switch to PC, but he could easily have done that when he saw he was being paired with PC. (watch him get annoyed at this ). As for OC, he's so flimsy that I don't even know what to think of him.

Locking a vote in for Harry for now. Kal should not be shot.

EDIT: I think jeminy is human based on his actions last round. I still think dfamina is human. Kal is, obviously, human to me. Just wrapping that all up.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 08:55PM Mar 6, 2013

I had to tie it because Chris didn't have a chance to post, and the maj started late on him. He was pretty active so I thought there was a chance he was seer. I wouldn't put myself on the line for a noob wolf partner, unless I've gone soft

That also assumes OC is human, who I'm now switching my vote to for the majority. It's a trifecta


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"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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spades_lobster


Posted: 09:10PM Mar 6, 2013

Im not voting for anyone other than OC, even if there are mild 'other suspiciouns' to vote anyone else over OC is just bad policy and totally anathema to good WWG principles..lets not forget Chris's late Cab vote which helped secure OC in Round 2

you do realize Green that simply stating suspiciouns is not the same as explaining them

Jayo's higher on my list than Harry anyway, as a third round fish vote for a potential fellow wolf carries no weight.


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21kaldridge21Aus


Posted: 09:52PM Mar 6, 2013

I agree that of could be a wolf so I am going with him.

I'm back
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spades_lobster


Posted: 09:54PM Mar 6, 2013

switching off OC until Jayo can vote
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 11:41PM Mar 6, 2013

I just went back and looked at your point regarding caberet, and I'm not as convinced. Not only was it in the last hour of play where it was getting closer to her being shot anyway, and he also didn't even change his vote to caberet, until you told him he had forgotten. That just makes it seem less of an intentional wolf ploy, and more of a way of getting both caberet and Oldcustard shot. Two humans sort of thing, since OC has really been targeted since round one.

However, that is me disputing that as evidence, I do still see OC as one of the three most likely wolves.

As for Harry's point about a noob wolf partner, I don't think PC came across as a noob at all. He seemed intelligent and well thought out in his posts. He sort of reminds me of Skybet, someone who is knew but is cottoning on fast to how the logistics of the game is played. So I do think you would hesitate to get rid of him, especially since it would make you the last wolf going into round 4 if you didn't, with Seer potentially alive who might, out of luck, divine you and game is over rover. You can never underestimate the Seer when there is only one wolf left, so saving your buddies becomes more important than clearing yourself by bussing when Seer is still at large.

With that said, I don't mind if OC is shot today. I don't think he's the best bet for wolf, so I am sticking with Harry and wouldn't mind being held responsible for his death if others choose to follow me. Yes, it's a "spicy" vote, but those can be lots of fun and invoke a lot of good material to work with! Dan, your opposition to me might just be fueling my suspicion on you, hence me leaning over to Harry more. And it's not fair to say that any other vote apart from OC is anathema, not everyone is going to agree with your vote, just like you're not going to agree with everyone else's vote.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 12:31AM Mar 7, 2013

How long will GA latch on this time? Only time will tell.

"The reason I talk to myself is because I'm the only one whose answers I accept." - George Carlin
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JayoAie


Posted: 12:57AM Mar 7, 2013

Sorry guys, had no internet last night, will post when I get to work

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 01:46AM Mar 7, 2013

I've shot one more wolf than you have, Harry, so you're not really in a position to talk.
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jeminyten


Posted: 02:03AM Mar 7, 2013

I can see the backing behind a for Putter, but then again I've said that about most people

But still, I think the evidence on a vote is pretty solid. It's better than a 21kal vote.
I'm quite happy to vote Putter and let's call it me trying to make the game interesting.


I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
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JayoAie


Posted: 03:43AM Mar 7, 2013

Should be on at my lunch break to make a more definitive call but will vote HP for now to tie things up between him and OC.
Sorry for the delay but Seer is fully protected now


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Smithy*en


Posted: 03:47AM Mar 7, 2013

Putter could be a wolf, but there's no way I'm going to even remotely consider a vote for him over OC.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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JayoAie


Posted: 03:57AM Mar 7, 2013

Smithy wrote:
Putter could be a wolf, but there's no way I'm going to even remotely consider a vote for him over OC.


I assume you think then that OC is more wolfish than HP in this game? Well my mind isn't 100% made up


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Smithy*en


Posted: 04:03AM Mar 7, 2013

Indeed. I don't find GA's reasoning against Putter completely convincing, whereas I've been suspicious of OC since round 1, and he's done nothing to help us or him since then. I see no reason to label Putter as human so I wouldn't be opposed to a HP vote later in the game, but for now I feel an OC vote makes most sense.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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JayoAie


Posted: 04:28AM Mar 7, 2013

That makes sense Smithy, will probably change my vote on my break

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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spades_lobster


Posted: 05:12AM Mar 7, 2013

Its not about agreeing with the reasons for vote Green. OC has done NOTHING to deserve not being shot, and there is at least just enough evidence against him than anyone else, certainly Harry. Considering we are under minimal pressure, and OC would be the most reckless seer ever, he deserves to be shot over Harry, no ifs ands or buts on principle alone.

Also everyone was suspicious of PC, I think everyone assumed we would just settle the OC/21k issue before anything else

vote going back to OC


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Smithy*en


Posted: 05:23AM Mar 7, 2013

Agreed.

spades_lobster wrote:
Kal was on and didnt post, why do the suspects refuse to help us or themselves? how do you people view the point of the WWG? Its not a musical that you sit back and watch and make a choice, do something to help us, or at least help us judge you


Also agreed.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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spades_lobster


Posted: 06:00AM Mar 7, 2013

Let me try to clarify myself a bit

Throughout the game, OC has come up as a suspect throughout, and for good reason. In addition to suspicious posts and votes, he's in a rare position to into round 4, not offered any evidence at all he's human. Considering two wolves are dead, we are not in a position where we have to gamble with our votes, in fact we can WASTE THREE bullets. Considering his minimal helpfulness in comparison to other players, Harry included, I can think of two real reasons to NOT vote OC, a wolf trying to stall out his shooting/increase odds of forcing seer out, or being a Glory Hound.

Certainly Harry could be a wolf though Im not getting strong feelings of that. The only thing that would bother me about Harry is his somewhat misrepresentation of the KG majority, he gave himself a bit more credit in her shooting due to his $5 comment, when in fact it was Sky (and dare I say myself ) Also HP didnt join the KG majority at the end, this is not really evidence I know, but it just struck me as he didn't want to be viewed as a wolf jumping on a doomed wolf bandwagon (same with Jayo) but this again, does not consitute any real evidence it was just something I thought atm.

As for me/OC. Again KG, she would have probly, not definitly, but probly not have been shot had I not posted what I did. Its a bit annoying that I would even be considered ahead of OC at this juncture. I have voted against two wolves and that is being written off, while Chris voting to extend OCs margin of safety is being swept away as nothing. An hour is plenty of time, one Cab voter has a change of heart and OC is plugged without Chris' vote (I dont put much stock into him forgetting to vote)

So bottom line, shooting anyone other than OC to me seems like a gamble to take personal glory for the win rather than make the rational, methodical play and shoot OC and hope we've been right all this time....and if not, THEN everyone else comes into play


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spades_lobster


Posted: 06:24AM Mar 7, 2013

21kaldridge21 voted for Oldcustard
dfamina voted for Smithy
GreenApples27 voted for HarryPutter
HarryPutter voted for Oldcustard
Jayo voted for HarryPutter
jeminy voted for HarryPutter
Oldcustard voted for 21kaldridge21
Smithy voted for Oldcustard
spades_lobster voted for Oldcustard
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JayoAie


Posted: 06:32AM Mar 7, 2013

Okay, pulling the trigger now, fingers crossed

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Smithy*en


Posted: 06:33AM Mar 7, 2013

Also also agreed. (Is that getting tedious yet?)

Everybody's voted so someone should save us a few hours and end the round.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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