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The Werewolf Game #2887

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #1

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 04:47AM Mar 9, 2013

Thanks HP!

Havent checked the IDs so there is no bias (well no ID bias ) when I select Deb's law as Option 1

now to randomize the other potential laws

Option 1) every time someone says dan or mod they have to put the face

Option 2) Votes may be cast on a maximum of five players per round. This encourages more meaningful voting early on but becomes less invasive during the crucial later rounds.

Option 3) Every even round no vote switches may take place

Voting for this law must be bolded and cannot be changed so don't be hasty, Law 1 will go into affect in Day 2 along with the Law selected in Night 1.....I would appreciate if someone could open a TB for this game and also I will need new laws PMd to me by the wolves for the night


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"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 04:47AM Mar 9, 2013

Made it

"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 04:47AM Mar 9, 2013

Hello Harry.

SPV for now.

EDIT: My law is... all wolves must only vote one person at night, no three options.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 04:57AM Mar 9, 2013

My law is ...we should have a constitution to protect our freedoms

"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:26AM Mar 9, 2013

Laws posted

I WILL NEED SOMEONE TO HOST THE TB, DONT BE SHY ABOUT VOLUNTEERING WE COULD USE IT UP ASAP. Thanks!


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Let the games, begin!
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 05:58AM Mar 9, 2013


I'm going to throw out an SPV. I'm out most of the day today, so I'll be checking back later.

I wouldn't mind hosting a TB, though I've never done so before, so maybe someone with more experience at it should, if not, I'l do it


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:04AM Mar 9, 2013

Thanks but it has to be someone who can open a box with more than 10 people. Sky or HABS I suppose, though I could always look for a helping hand outside the roster

Let the games, begin!
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buu441Ain


Posted: 06:05AM Mar 9, 2013

put an SPV for now. well, not exactly random as the person i voted for was chosen among the 3 people in this game i haven't played with earlier.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 06:06AM Mar 9, 2013


Alright, I'll fine with helping out


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:55AM Mar 9, 2013

I'll do it.

IF you were to remove all the veins in your body and lay them end to end - you would die. (You were expecting some obscure fact were'n't you?)
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 06:59AM Mar 9, 2013

It's started

I'm laying down an SPV for now. I presume we do the voting in the TB when it's set up?


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 07:03AM Mar 9, 2013

The TB is set, you should all have invites now. I will promote everyone to a mod as they join.

I will SPV for GA


IF you were to remove all the veins in your body and lay them end to end - you would die. (You were expecting some obscure fact were'n't you?)
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 07:47AM Mar 9, 2013

Morning all.
For now will SPV for first or last on the list....depending on who has votes.


Like what you love, and love what you got.
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SirHarA


Posted: 08:03AM Mar 9, 2013

I never SPV ...I think Harry is a wolf!!!!
Although I do like his law...



the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 09:11AM Mar 9, 2013

Good to see it going An SPV for me too until morning.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:14AM Mar 9, 2013

SPV

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:47AM Mar 9, 2013

Voting for Day Law 1 will be done in this thread NOT the TB, so remember to start voting

Let the games, begin!
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 09:54AM Mar 9, 2013

So we need to vote on a law from round 0?

Like what you love, and love what you got.
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debc1A


Posted: 10:17AM Mar 9, 2013

morning

dan ---and you don't even ask why (thats my vote)

will vote wildly and somewhat randomly


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celticherotus


Posted: 10:18AM Mar 9, 2013

SPV

My law is an SPV held for more than 12 hours is locked.


I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:19AM Mar 9, 2013

The LAWS to be voted for in round 1 are already posted, there is no need to post more, there is no need to go back to round 0, 3 choices have been presented in the RFM, please BOLD your choice for one of those 3 options

and why Deb


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debc1A


Posted: 10:22AM Mar 9, 2013

*bottom lip quivers* you forgot my birthday

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 10:23AM Mar 9, 2013

Option 3: even rounds, no vote changes

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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:37AM Mar 9, 2013

option 3 for me as well. i am lazy, so i didn't write the entire law.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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celticherotus


Posted: 10:47AM Mar 9, 2013

Option 1

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I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:57AM Mar 9, 2013

Sorry Deb, totally my fault

I knew you were either two months or two years ahead of mine, I guess I got confused

sorry


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 10:59AM Mar 9, 2013

I'm with celt. I like Option 1

IF you were to remove all the veins in your body and lay them end to end - you would die. (You were expecting some obscure fact were'n't you?)
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 11:00AM Mar 9, 2013

Oh was it your birthday Deb? Happy belated! No one remembered mine either .

IF you were to remove all the veins in your body and lay them end to end - you would die. (You were expecting some obscure fact were'n't you?)
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caberetAus


Posted: 11:04AM Mar 9, 2013

Wahoo - We're on!

I vote for Deb's law, Option 1.

I'll either SPV for someone without a vote, or for SirHar. Whichever catches my fancy when I get to the voting screen.

Hope everyone is having a nice weekend.


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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SirHarA


Posted: 11:20AM Mar 9, 2013

Thanks a lot Cabi ...you must be a wolf....

hey mod ...what happens if we break the law???

and do I have to if I say Spider???Or Rock Lobster???

Just making sure I Kow which Govt loopoles I can use to avoid paying taxes...

And actually I will vote for Option 3....By the time we get to round 2 I will know who the wolves are....No reason to change my vote.....



the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:30AM Mar 9, 2013

No laws are in effect yet, when they are I will clarify how they must be followed. I reserve the right to enforce the 'spirit' of the law rather than the exact wording if I feel the law creates a game breaking loophole

Let the games, begin!
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 11:37AM Mar 9, 2013

Ok I'm going to vote law 3. Law 1 will just be irritating to remember and isn't particularly game related. Law 2 probably leans in the wolves favour too heavily. Law 3 will be an interesting one, we should get good discussion that way too and it will break us out of the regular SPV routine and make people think a bit more.

We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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SirHarA


Posted: 11:37AM Mar 9, 2013

Harry Smithy and cabi are the wolves....Celt is the seer....Game over....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 11:44AM Mar 9, 2013

Ok Har that's twice you've used " " in the first round, you're starting to worry me...

We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:54AM Mar 9, 2013

SirHar wrote:
Harry Smithy and cabi are the wolves....Celt is the seer....Game over....


Why would you just "oust" the seer?
Silly


Like what you love, and love what you got.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 12:00PM Mar 9, 2013

Gonna keep faith in my darling creation and go with Law 2.

Skybet wrote:
Law 2 probably leans in the wolves favour too heavily.


In what way would it benefit the wolves? It would encourage people to commit to more meaningful decisions, making for a better game, but also giving more intel to work with and analyse rather than letting players (wolves and humans alike) slip through the rounds with inconsequential votes. The only problem would be if the wolves threw a vote each on three different humans to limit the options, but again that would be something to analyse and you'd still have two other voting avenues.

Limerick and Markus are the only ones yet to vote.


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"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 12:04PM Mar 9, 2013

Smithy wrote:
The only problem would be if the wolves threw a vote each on three different humans to limit the options, but again that would be something to analyse and you'd still have two other voting avenues..

This was my worry. The wolves may throw in early human votes which may help find them, but how early someone votes and puts a player in the firing line wouldn't really tell you either way the identity of that player... I just don't think it would be of much benefit to the humans but the wolves would probably use this to their advantage.


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 12:34PM Mar 9, 2013

It would help more than not allowing vote switching, which eliminates one of the biggest elements of finding wolves in analysing changes in voting.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 12:40PM Mar 9, 2013

Speaking of....changing votes, some one should post the voting list. I can not copy and paste from my phone.

Like what you love, and love what you got.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 12:45PM Mar 9, 2013

buu441 voted for Limerick
caberet voted for buu441
celtichero voted for Markus
debc1 voted for celtichero
GreenApples27 voted for Longhorn_fan
HABS2933 voted for GreenApples27
HarryPutter voted for SirHar
Longhorn_fan voted for Smithy
Oldcustard voted for caberet
PianistChris voted for Skybet
SirHar voted for HarryPutter
Skybet voted for Oldcustard
Smithy voted for buu441


Just noticed Cab joined my vote on buu which I presume was unintentional given the comment that went with it. I'll probably switch it away later, either to one of the no-shows if they remain absent, or more likely to someone else on some incredibly weak round 1 theory about smiley usage or claims of illness.


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"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 12:45PM Mar 9, 2013

Smithy wrote:
It would help more than not allowing vote switching, which eliminates one of the biggest elements of finding wolves in analysing changes in voting.

You're right I wasn't thinking straight.

Not that I want to influence anyone's votes, but please vote law 1 (or 2 ) if you are yet to vote. Law 3 will probably be a bad idea.


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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 12:48PM Mar 9, 2013

Why did you guys pick laws that help the wolves so much

Voting law 1 , law 2 means the seer can't get any legitimate coverage, and law 3 is just unhelpful.


"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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Smithy*en


Posted: 12:51PM Mar 9, 2013

HarryPutter wrote:
law 2 means the seer can't get any legitimate coverage


In what way? Votes may be cast on a maximum of five, not by a maximum of five, it would have zero specific impact for the Seer.

The only way it could have an impact is if players are so averse to committing that they'd rather not vote than cast a meaningful one, which I suppose is a possibility.


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"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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debc1A


Posted: 12:53PM Mar 9, 2013

i forgive you

happy late birthday habs!!!!

now i don't wan't option 1


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 01:19PM Mar 9, 2013

Smithy wrote:
HarryPutter wrote:
law 2 means the seer can't get any legitimate coverage


In what way? Votes may be cast on a maximum of five, not by a maximum of five, it would have zero specific impact for the Seer.

The only way it could have an impact is if players are so averse to committing that they'd rather not vote than cast a meaningful one, which I suppose is a possibility.


Ah, I read it as on But still, that seems more helpful to wolves if they want to blitz at the end


"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:23PM Mar 9, 2013

I don't know, I think the only flaw is the potential jam of votes, especially if people mindlessly spread random votes at the start of a round, and the tedium of engineering switches away from someone with more than one vote. But I do think it would go some way to eliminating the problem of the "unreadable" players who remain under the radar by dint of not committing to anything. I can see the potential problems though and law 1 has the advantage of not being intrusive on the gameplay.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 01:26PM Mar 9, 2013

We might get getting law 1, as that's where my vote goes.
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SirHarA


Posted: 02:30PM Mar 9, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
SirHar wrote:
Harry Smithy and cabi are the wolves....Celt is the seer....Game over....


Why would you just "oust" the seer?
Silly



Good grief Longhorn I just threw 4 names out at random...and sat back and watched who would bite...

and after reading ...I am moving Longhorn into Putters spot on the Har list....


the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 02:33PM Mar 9, 2013

Definitely voting Law 1. Law 3 voters are making me feel a little uneasy... What good are locked votes to the humans?
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 02:47PM Mar 9, 2013

GA though I disagree with it, I think the logic is that it will force humans to put more thought into their votes rather than just voting randomly. In the first couple rounds there is seldom a real reason to vote a particular way so while it may be a useful rule in later rounds I see it as detrimental in the early goings.

IF you were to remove all the veins in your body and lay them end to end - you would die. (You were expecting some obscure fact were'n't you?)
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SirHarA


Posted: 03:28PM Mar 9, 2013

I cant understand why most think that the first couple rounds are random votes....I disagree with THIS concept completely....But then again...I am an idiot...

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 04:12PM Mar 9, 2013

There are only 2 things I know...1) Socialism is superior to capitalism and 2) Har is a WOLF


buu441 voted for Limerick
caberet voted for buu441
celtichero voted for Markus
debc1 voted for celtichero
GreenApples27 voted for Longhorn_fan
HABS2933 voted for GreenApples27
HarryPutter voted for SirHar
Longhorn_fan voted for Smithy
Oldcustard voted for caberet
PianistChris voted for Skybet
SirHar voted for Longhorn_fan
Skybet voted for Oldcustard
Smithy voted for buu441


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"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 04:17PM Mar 9, 2013


Hmm, I think out of the three, the third one is what I like best. I don't mind the other two, but with the third one I think it would force more thought towards votes, but then again, it could favour towards the wolves in a way as well.

Law 3


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:33PM Mar 9, 2013

Reminder: I do need Laws from the wolves for tonight

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 05:30PM Mar 9, 2013

That is why I chose 3.
To make people think before they just vote. Wolves too.....makes the changing of votes not an option for confusion.


And Jeff....you ALWAYS post random names....I know, but you rarely do the seer thing in the first round.

I was just calling you silly


Like what you love, and love what you got.
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Limerickus


Posted: 05:51PM Mar 9, 2013

Option 1 would be potentially irritating to remember especially if I need to post quickly, option 2.... after the first round of SPVs, not sure that really makes a difference, though I don't think it would really favour anyone per se, option 3 though... I don't like as I like to analyze a lot and not being able to change my vote could be irritating. Option 2 currently seems to stand no chance though, soooo Option 1.

As for voting, my standard SPV for the only remaining inactive player, (wow, only 1!) Markus.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 05:58PM Mar 9, 2013

Law 3 is a poor option, it doesn't benefit the humans in any way as they can consider their votes as much or as little as they want in a normal situation. It does benefit the wolves by removing any vote switch analysis and removing any pressure they may have to switch votes in a changing situation.

EDIT: I'm heading off for the night now, debating a vote switch to Markus but I'd like to give him more of a chance, should be on again before the end of the round anyway.


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"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 06:14PM Mar 9, 2013

There's still a lot of time left in the round, so I'm not gonna pile on Markus yet. I'll keep my vote on Sabrina.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 06:50PM Mar 9, 2013

Thanks Will

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caberetAus


Posted: 07:23PM Mar 9, 2013

I'm changing to the non-voting Markus.

"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 08:01PM Mar 9, 2013

I'm sure Markus will be on in the next 8 hours, so for now I won't change my vote.
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 08:55PM Mar 9, 2013

The is markus' first game in a while cmon

buu441 voted for Limerick
caberet voted for Markus
celtichero voted for Markus

debc1 voted for celtichero
GreenApples27 voted for Longhorn_fan
HABS2933 voted for GreenApples27
HarryPutter voted for SirHar
Limerick voted for Markus
Longhorn_fan voted for Smithy
Oldcustard voted for caberet
PianistChris voted for Skybet
SirHar voted for Longhorn_fan
Skybet voted for Oldcustard
Smithy voted for buu441


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"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 09:08PM Mar 9, 2013

You're welcome, Sabrina.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 09:18PM Mar 9, 2013

Really....a round one sorta majority on me?

This sucks.

If things are the same later in the round I will have to vote Mark us.....first game or not.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:18PM Mar 9, 2013

I am off to bed. There are 5 hours left and I am not sure if Markus will be on or not but regardless he has not contributed much and I am not going to risk him showing up and voting me into a tie.
Changing my vote to Markus.


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celticherotus


Posted: 11:26PM Mar 9, 2013

Gonna keep my vote on him unless he comes on.

Do you daylight saving time will kill the time by an hour?


I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:27PM Mar 9, 2013

Good thought Celt. I honestly do not know. I guess we will soon find out.

Like what you love, and love what you got.
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 11:52PM Mar 9, 2013

Hm, I don't think so, celt. I'm pretty sure the round is based on a timer, not like a set time it ends. So I think it'll be as usual. I'm changing my vote to Markus for inactivity.
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 12:07AM Mar 10, 2013

Yeah, 4 hrs left, switching to Markus
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 12:15AM Mar 10, 2013



"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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Limerickus


Posted: 12:49AM Mar 10, 2013

I feel for you, Harry, but first round votes are so impossible. It is either vote for Markus or vote for someone actually active :/

Oh, and good to see you both again, GA and Smithy
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 01:02AM Mar 10, 2013

He was pretty pumped to play, I think he might've just lost internet because of the weekend. :/

But whatever, the seer needs to be protected so we don't have a choice here. Next time, kuz.


"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" - George Carlin
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Smithy*en


Posted: 04:22AM Mar 10, 2013

Yeah, sorry Markus but there's no way anyone should be voted for over a non-voter in the first round. And if he happens to be a wolf it'll create a logistical headache with the laws. Switching to Markus.

Good to see you back Limerick, it's been a while!


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"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:01AM Mar 10, 2013

I need to go, be on the road till the 2-3 time frame and i want to try to get you guys set up here

there are SEVEN votes on Markus with less than an hour left, I have to get going immeadeatly....do not switch your vote due to this, that would be very scumbaggerish (in fact ending the round would be appreciated)


Markus will be human


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 05:08AM Mar 10, 2013

Just up. Switching to Markus to end the round, not sure if your wink means anything there Spid.... Hope it does.

We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:10AM Mar 10, 2013

k Markus human, remember the TB is fully open at night, all discussion allowed

Let the games, begin!
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