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The Werewolf Game #2892

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #2

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koin_era345tus


Posted: 04:08PM Mar 17, 2013

Not much to say except confirming that Caramell and Harry both were human.

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koin_era345tus


Posted: 04:10PM Mar 17, 2013

Spv smithy. I don't think the SPVD will come into play this time around, especially with putter being eaten.

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Skybet*gb


Posted: 04:18PM Mar 17, 2013

I think it needs better discussion before the game, but I'm more than willing to try it out sometime.

SPV kitty.


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 05:05PM Mar 17, 2013

Yeah, it's definitely not worth trying it out unless everyone is willing, so slammn's idea about Harry making a specific game for it is good, so those joining know what they're getting into.

SPV for now.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 05:06PM Mar 17, 2013

I think we should know before the game that we are doing it, so only players who want to try it will join.

SPV GA.


Fearless.
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 05:31PM Mar 17, 2013


Alright, we'll leave it out for now I suppose - SPV Sky


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 06:03PM Mar 17, 2013

SPVing too, I apologise for missing half of last round.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:31PM Mar 17, 2013

sPV for slamm

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 07:09PM Mar 17, 2013

Looking at the firing: Harry... I think it was because of his opinion on the SPVD. 1. The wolves could have either thought against harry, which in firing him would have gave multiple humans on the suspicions list or 2. Shared harry's opinion but thought if they fired him, the people that would go on the suspicions list would be people against his opinion. Just not sure which one it is....

Fearless.
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kmrutledgetth


Posted: 08:13PM Mar 17, 2013

SPV for skybet

The faster I type in my password, the more secret agent-y I feel.
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 08:35PM Mar 17, 2013

It always bugged me when people said "fired" in TWG, and "eaten" in WTB.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 08:50PM Mar 17, 2013

Lol Will, I have to agree. In my opinion it isn't that hard to keep the games straight. Though I will admit it got confusing sometimes when we were playing out here and in tne TB as well.

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 09:18PM Mar 17, 2013

Haha, GA. Sorry, I always do that when I am in both games at once. I meant eaten but you get my point.

Fearless.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 09:27PM Mar 17, 2013

Not sure why the wolves would eat HP for pushing the SPVD idea, as,several people have speculated it would be beneficial to the wolves. One would think they'd want the idea to be implimented. Going to check to see if anyone thought it was a good idea (as opposed to those who grudinhly agreed to try it).

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 09:45PM Mar 17, 2013

Yeah, they also could have wanted to confuse us or thought the SPVD thing would confuse them to much so they ate harry. Not sure, just our only clue so I thought I would point it out.

Fearless.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:28PM Mar 17, 2013

Hard to say this early in the game, but my gut tells me the HP eating was more to take out a threat, plus distract us with SPVD speculation. Now that I think about it was a good eating for the wolves.

Kmr seems like a good shot this round. Last round, she put caramell in a majority for no states reason and didnt return to the game until this round, where she just spv'd without providing thoughts or explanation of past round.

I'm gonna go ahead and switch over.


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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 11:50PM Mar 17, 2013

I think kmr was only "SPVing", despite it being stupid to SPV on someone that already has a vote. So I don't think it was an intentional majority, it just seems that some players don't notice the votes

Not sure about what I think of the HP eating, it does seem pretty reasoned, and I can understand that the wolves may have thought the SPVD would be a disadvantage to them, and as a result they ate harry.

I shall leave my vote and hear from the others about this.
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Limerickus


Posted: 01:08AM Mar 18, 2013

The night ended pretty fast, I expected to be at work all day and still be night xD

As far as Harry, I doubt it really had anything to do with SPVDs implementation or lack thereof, I think the fact was, it wasn't going to happen. Even Harry backed down from it. However, I think it did almost certainly have to do with SPVD in one, or possibly both, of two ways.

1) It pretty much cleared Harry, because, seriously, it isn't really in a wolf's thought process to find ways to make a Seer more effective. And wolves need people to be able to pin blame on

2) Like several others have mentioned, it keeps us distracted on a topic that doesn't really lead us anywhere productive. There was a lot of honest for and against reasons for SPVD, support or lack thereof meant very little.

Unfortunately, SPV votes don't exactly offer the most fertile grounds for finding a wolf either. I also agree that kmr is probably a red herring, I mean, honestly, I think most wolf players are going to avoid doing something as blatantly obvious as vote for someone already with a vote. No need for the wolves to call attention to themselves, every reason not to. Though... I have to admit, the fact that kmr again chose to vote an SPV to form a majority is a bit surprising.

So where does that leave us?

Well, the lack of real participation by kmr still leaves her as a relatively good shot for if she is not going to provide us with any commentary, she isn't going to help us find a wolf. We are better off with as few inactives as we can. And seriously, such low key behavior is perfect hiding for a wolf. Still, the mini-majority on km does bother me, as it is still pretty unlikely to get a first round majority, even a mini-majority, on a wolf due to the fact that the only ones who know who anyone is will not be interested in forming a majority on a wolf. Still, not going to rule this out.

As for inactives, another favourite vote of mine, we have Jayo, kitty-cat, SirHar, and Smithy this round. Now, Smithy was really active last round, and Jayo, moderately so. Kitty was there for input, SirHar continued his role as comic relief So, none are particular stand outs.

More to think about, so, as I pray, Unlimited SPV Works... for SirHar for the moment as an inactive person with no votes.

As for mid-round voting lists, with my vote added in a touch prematurely, though it will be there before anyone reads this probably xD

GreenApples27 voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for slammngirl92

kmrutledge voted for Skybet
koin_era345 voted for kmrutledge
Limerick voted for SirHar
Oldcustard voted for koin_era345

PianistChris voted for Skybet
Skybet voted for kitty-cat
slammngirl92 voted for GreenApples27
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SirHarA


Posted: 01:22AM Mar 18, 2013

Hey limerick vote on THIS!!!!!!!!!!The eating of Harry was a travesty!!!!I will be honest I am watching the movie CONVOY!!!! THIS is a major movie Spider....trust me on THIS one...I just read limmericks post and I guess I am caught up....Sky could be a valuable human...I will vote kitty cat to save his miserable as$ again...

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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SirHarA


Posted: 01:30AM Mar 18, 2013

Nice Limerick... you switched your vote to me.....Me and sky are both wolves voting kitty cat...can you write a page or two no THAT please????

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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Oldcustardtau


Posted: 01:46AM Mar 18, 2013

Be careful voting Har Limerick, he doesn't take SPVs lightly
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SirHarA


Posted: 02:06AM Mar 18, 2013

I never SPV.....I always vote with a reason....spvs are for losers!!!!

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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SirHarA


Posted: 02:11AM Mar 18, 2013

OC My Man you are correct...the only reason I dont go Sir Freak on him...is because he types long as$ posts that no one but me reads....and he usually has like 1 or 2 decent points in there somewhere.....

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SirHarA


Posted: 02:19AM Mar 18, 2013

There once was a man from Nantuckett...whose D....err nm.....

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 02:59AM Mar 18, 2013

I wouldn't be so fast to classify people as inactive with less than half the round under way, Limerick.

I agree kmr would be the likely vote, though that doesn't mean it has to be the vote... don't conclude the round before it has actually concluded.
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Limerickus


Posted: 03:14AM Mar 18, 2013

Wow, that's an awful lot of hostility there =p It's just my mid-round vote, quite liable to change. I'll be the first to admit that I don't have much to go on yet, and of course I am not going to label anyone inactive yet, but I have to vote someone, that's what a SPV is, is it not? Who do YOU suggest?

Plus, Har's too good to shoot if he's actually here, expect change to come... and more long posts. Honestly, I shouldn't even be awake at 4am
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 03:43AM Mar 18, 2013

The Harry eating probably wasn't that strange, being that he sounded the most human of all of us. It would be a pretty lame reason to eat someone just because they were suggesting a new game procedure and you didn't like it. At least I hope that wasn't the reason.

I think the kmr vote is just too obvious. Though I don't know what she is playing at with both rounds SPVs happening to place a player in a majority with no explanation why. This would be pretty bland wolf behaviour that I wouldn't really expect from any player. Now I think about it, I can't really suggest a better shot this round... I will give it a bit of thought before I commit.


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 05:27AM Mar 18, 2013

It almost does seem to obvious. I don't know why she would make it that obvious, maybe its not "caution play". I'm going to hold off for now but we might as well do something about it so we can use this round in a hopefully positive way.

Oh and I wasn't sure about the SPVD thing with Harry but I just wanted to get your guy's opinions.

Keeping my vote.


Fearless.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 05:35AM Mar 18, 2013

I doubt it's a coincidence that Putter was pushing the SPVD thing then got eaten, but it was probably more to do with him looking the most human of anyone with his efforts rather than the actual threat of the (aborted) plan.

I definitely do not want Sky shot this round, kitty and km have contributed almost equally little but km's small contributions have been more suspicious so I'm putting my vote there for now. I think it's dangerous to consider anything "too obvious", especially as km hasn't exactly demonstrated much that fills me with confidence so far and without any other decent shots. I may be tempted to switch to kitty if she doesn't appear before round end (or if Sky is somehow still in danger).

Limerick wrote:
Wow, that's an awful lot of hostility there =p


For the record, this is just typical Har and nothing personal.


GreenApples27 voted for Jayo
HABS2933 voted for slammngirl92
kmrutledge voted for Skybet
koin_era345 voted for kmrutledge
Limerick voted for SirHar
Oldcustard voted for koin_era345
PianistChris voted for Skybet
SirHar voted for kitty-cat
Skybet voted for kitty-cat
slammngirl92 voted for GreenApples27
Smithy voted for kmrutledge


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JayoAie


Posted: 05:53AM Mar 18, 2013

Hmm well if anyone here actually expected me to be on earlier in this round, with my timezone I.e. started late enough on St. Patrick's day well not quite

So inactive Jayo here and ready to report

It would have been a very bold move for the Seer to suggest the SPVD thing so not surprised that HP flipped merely human

I think the wolves should have left him to see if anyone took up the SPVD baton and to give themselves a chance to snag the Seer

If HP had have made an SPVD and chosen a wolf to label human, or vice versa it would have served the wolves well, they could have pegged him for a mid round bullet even I'd say

But anyways, good to see people having suspects at this stage,
For me, Habs stands out, didn't feel her post about looking for dissenters to HP's idea was completely genuine

Oh, and anyone who says something like 'Oh I wouldn't have eaten HP last round cos blah blah whatever' well with 3 active voters, it can be irrelevant what one wolf picks if the others go in completely another direction

Habs has my vote for now, and by the way OC, I don't think it is at all 'stupid' to SPV for someone who already has a vote. A lot to be said for putting someone in a mini majority early on. It provokes action and reaction


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 06:30AM Mar 18, 2013


I'm switching my vote to kmr. Last round she pulled majority and she did it again with Sky this round - Without proper backing to creating these two majorities, I'd say she's a good suspect to be a wolf.


Beaches and Fire, tis all I need right now!
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 06:31AM Mar 18, 2013

Yes Smithy, I have considered the pitfall of thinking that anything can be "too obvious" as I have fallen foul of this before. If it's obvious I suppose it's obvious for a reason.

I'm sticking with kitty until she shows up, but may have to switch to kmr to save my hide. Which I guess wont necessarily be a bad thing.


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 06:38AM Mar 18, 2013

It may not be stupid to SPV someone into a majority, but it IS careless to doctor without providing any reasoning. It's just lazy voting. Now, whether that is lazy human or lazy wolf it's hard to say.

I think the prime candidates to eat Harry are new players and very good players (crossing out in-between players). New players because he's a threat. Good players because the went through the reasoning shown this round to decide the benefits of eating him overrid the usual hesitancy to eat another good player so early.

You could be right about HABS, jayo, but be careful accusing her without enough evidence.

Edit: If kmr is shot and flips human, Chris may a good candidate.


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:56AM Mar 18, 2013

Not sure KMRs behaviour (gotta use the "U" Har) can tell us too much. She has only played 7 games and may still be learning. But, as we are more likely to shoot a human than a wolf, I guess it is better to take out an inactive one than one who is contributing to the game.

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 07:05AM Mar 18, 2013

Sorry I'm so late in the round coming on! I was busy yesterday afternoon, and didn't check this before I went to sleep. I'm not inactive.

I agree with koin's assessment that the people who would eat Harry are new and very good players. That doesn't rule out that many people in this game, though.

I'm going to put a double SPV (Seer and self protection vote) on Kmr for now. I'll probably switch when/if she comes on, though.


"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 07:35AM Mar 18, 2013

koin_era345 wrote:

You could be right about HABS, jayo,

This early in the game you could be right about anybody.
but be careful accusing her without enough evidence.

I have never had issue with a SPV on me. My issue with you in previous games stemmed from your relentless "attack" on me with no evidence against me and a preponderance of the evidence pointing toward my being human. If I am wolf and get called out, I am much more resigned to my fate than when I am human..

Jayo - did you notice I left you alone last round?


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Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 08:31AM Mar 18, 2013

Jayo wrote:
Hmm well if anyone here actually expected me to be on earlier in this round, with my timezone I.e. started late enough on St. Patrick's day well


Indeed, same situation for me.

I don't think it is at all 'stupid' to SPV for someone who already has a vote. A lot to be said for putting someone in a mini majority early on. It provokes action and reaction


I do have to disagree slightly with this though - I'm a proponent of early majorities but it's important that they must have some reasoning behind them in order to successfully stir up conversation. How can one defend oneself against nothing but "SPV"? All that happens is that the unfortunate recipient has to then vote to save themselves, a voting war escalates, and we are left with no real discussion to analyse and an essentially blind shot. An SPV into a majority has no real advantage to the humans, but does offer an easy out for a wolf. As Habs said it could just be the sign of a new player but it's the best we've got to go on.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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SirHarA


Posted: 09:52AM Mar 18, 2013

I am clearing Smithy.....

the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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SirHarA


Posted: 11:44AM Mar 18, 2013

Drum roll please.............The Har List.........Habs...Koin...Chris...(Kitty cat and Jayo on the back burner);;;;

Game over....


the stronger the fed govt gets the less you free you will be,,,,This is a no brainer...
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Limerickus


Posted: 01:12PM Mar 18, 2013

Smithy wrote:
For the record, this is just typical Har and nothing personal.


I honestly was more surprised by GA's reaction than SirHar's =p

Okay, 9 hours later, what do we have?

Majority on kmr, which is hard to analyze as it is certainly a logical majority, especially with her failure to come on and defend herself thus far, not much is being added to the game. And only 4 votes, lacking a real wolf push to the votes or a hurry to end the round like we had last game. Unless they're all wolves

koin's suggestion of PC as a good vote if kmr flips human was interesting, I was thinking along the same lines, though, am curious as to why koin thought so. My logic was pretty simple in that he was the 3rd vote on kmr, a relatively safe voting position for a wolf, but, I also don't read his play thus far as a wolf.

As for a Smithy clear, he is looking fairly innocent so far, not sure I have enough to give you a clear.

As for Jayo's logic against HABS, I've definitely seen weaker points, the concept of looking back at the positive comments also doesn't really ring true for me, again, because there is plenty of logic with the idea to like it. I mean, if you consider the Seer is a player too and could continue to keep whatever divinations he/she felt were too revealing to himself but would also potentially allow a safe passage for a casual hint or two.... I don't know, still don't like it, except in those games the seer gets eaten quickly anyway, but you never really know when that will be.

I am currently leaning to kmr as I really am not finding much to go on as of yet, and honestly, kmr's contributions have not added much to the game as of yet, though the fact that the SPV into a majority happened BOTH rounds makes me hesitant, it just seems clumsy for a wolf. I don't know, but I do know that at this point, if she doesn't come back to defend herself, I will feel like I have little choice.
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 02:15PM Mar 18, 2013

But Limerick, there was zero hostility in my post? What are you on about?

I'll change to kmr to seal her fate a little further.
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Limerickus


Posted: 03:01PM Mar 18, 2013

@GA Well, I was referring to the hostility against the concept of using inactivity as a ruler for determining an early SPV. In my opinion, it is a far better reason than SPV for soandso as the full post. I am not so cruel as to not change my vote if they become active.

At this point, with an hour to go, I can't say I have much more to add at this point, definitely not enough to sway a 5 vote majority. My vote goes to kmr, again due to general non contribution in both rounds.
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JayoAie


Posted: 03:06PM Mar 18, 2013

Well I'll save us an hour and end the round

Edit: Esp as we have full Seer coverage


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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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celticherotus


Posted: 03:59PM Mar 18, 2013

Sorry for total nothing this round, some stuff happening. KMR, was however, but a human.

I'm just an ordinary average guy with nothing to lose.
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