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The Werewolf Game #2903

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 7 rounds.

Discussion of Round #4

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Innovative*ca


Posted: 05:00PM Apr 23, 2013

RFM-

Unfortunately, we lost another two of our finest agents. Hopefully one of them was a spy, otherwise, men, I'm afraid to say our numbers are going to dwindle down to nothing and those Genovians are going to win. And by the way, whoever scribbled this on my collector's edition of the twelfth Nightwing comic is going to be in serious trouble- unless of course it finds those spies:

4-3-20-4-1, 2-1-1-13-3, 3-3-10-3-4, 4-2-24-1-1, 4-2-24-3-4, 2-2-4-4-4/ 5-1-8-3-1, 1-1-1-1-1, 5-1-61-3-6, 3-3-3-2-4, 3-2-3-3-2, 1-1-1-5-4/ 2-5-15-7-4, 2-2-2-5-1, 4-2-2-1-1, 4-2-2-6-1, 4-2-2-1-4, 2-2-1-9-2/ 1-1-1-2-4, 1-1-1-9-2/ 4-1-5-9-3, 4-2-4-2-1, 4-3-3-3-3, 4-2-23-4-1, 2-1-1-5-6, 2-2-2-1-1, 2-3-3-1-1, 2-4-1-3-1/ 2-1-2-2-4, 2-3-2-1-2, 2-2-4-1-1, 2-4-6-4-5, 2-5-1-3-4/ 3-3-3-4-5, 3-2-1-8-5, 3-1-11-4-3/ 4-3-35-4-5, 4-2-72-2-1, 4-1-2-8-1, 4-1-2-9-2/ 5-1-7-7-1, 5-1-1-1-2, 5-1-15-1-4/ 1-1-32-5-2, 1-2-4-3-2, 1-3-5-3-4/ 1-5-105-8-1, 3-4-20-3-2, 5-1-2-3-3/ 5-1-2-1-4, 3-3-25-1-3, 1-2-3-4-1, 3-3-28-9-3, 5-1-5-11-2/ 2-4-14-7-6, 4-3-1-9-2, 2-1-1-3-2/ 1-4-2-10-1, 2-2-2-1-1, 3-2-3-6-1/ 4-2-4-10-1, 2-4-6-6-7, 4-2-4-5-2/ 1-5-2-6-1, 2-4-8-8-7, 3-1-1-9-1, 4-1-1-4-3/ 1-3-2-3-4, 2-1-10-4-3, 3-2-2-4-1, 4-2-2-1-4/ 4-3-14-3-4, 4-2-1-3-7, 2-4-1-8-2/ 2-4-1-8-5, 1-2-3-3-3/ 3-1-8-3-1, 3-1-8-3-2, 3-1-8-3-5, 5-1-2-2-4, 5-1-2-2-5, 5-1-2-2-6/ 3-1-37-4-1, 3-1-37-4-2, 3-1-37-4-3, 3-1-37-4-4, 3-1-37-4-5/ 3-1-30-10-1, 3-1-30-10-2, 3-1-30-10-3/ 1-1-14-9-1, 1-1-14-9-2/ 2-2-2-2-2, 4-3-4-3-1/ 4-2-3-6-1, 1-2-3-3-2, 1-2-1-3-4/ 4-1-6-1-2, 4-1-1-1-3, 4-1-1-3-2, 4-1-1-9-1, 4-1-1-3-4, 4-1-1-6-1


And thanks for the birthday wishes


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"This thaw took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." -George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets.
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Innovative*ca


Posted: 05:01PM Apr 23, 2013

Well that did NOT time out.

It seems like either a wolf came back from being AFK, or the tricky wolf decided to shift blame.

I guess the second.

Can't wait for the next clue. The last one was a riddle hidden within a cipher, so that was cruel, but hopefully the next one will be easier.

EDIT: Just noticed baba was eaten.

Why?


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"This thaw took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." -George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets.
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 05:46PM Apr 23, 2013

Ok, tuku, new cipher. Ready? Go!

Innovative, I, too, wonder why bababawhomp was eaten. Not who I would have expected as the spies seemed to be eliminating people who were helpful with the cipher. It makes me wonder if maybe (hopefully!) we finally got a spy last round which disrupted the way the wolf votes went. What I mean by this is:

Spy A votes for threats
Spy B votes for threats
Spy C votes for least active

With all three in the game, the threat would be eliminated. But if we got Spy A or B, it would be a toss up who got eliminated.

I dunno, just thinking outloud.

Inovative, what did you mean by AFK? And how so do you mean shifting the blame?


"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 05:56PM Apr 23, 2013

Oh, and one more post to say:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TUKU!!!


"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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WittyKittyAus


Posted: 05:58PM Apr 23, 2013

I must say, I was not expecting the night round to end for a few more hours, but it looks as though our spies decided to all vote this round. Hopefully, this means that Lunasimba was a spy since that would indicate that only two spies would have had to vote in order for the night round to end. Also, bababawhomp was eaten, and she voted for Luna last round (although, if that were the deciding factor, I probably should have been eaten since I put Luna in the majority). I will check back periodically to see if the cipher has been posted and hopefully to find out the identity of Lunasimba.

Baila como si nadie está mirando.
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TheSlyMrSlytus


Posted: 06:38PM Apr 23, 2013

I am completely suprised that baba was eaten, maybe the wolves are trying to throw us off? But that wouldn't make sense......

(Edit) auto correct will be the death of us all


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jpostA


Posted: 06:43PM Apr 23, 2013

by the law of averages, we must have gotten a spy last night. If not, the rest of us are really in trouble since our numbers are dropping fast.

God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.
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Innovative*ca


Posted: 07:18PM Apr 23, 2013

Mocha- What I meant was- there were inactives (typed AFK because I was on mobile) and when the inactive came back, they all voted to maybe make the new active seem guilty? I dunno. It's late here, and I'm tired.

Happy Birthday, Tuku!

EDIT: We can only shoot one more human before we lose. Two means a loss. Any ideas?


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"This thaw took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." -George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets.
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FaithDushkuAus


Posted: 07:30PM Apr 23, 2013

Baba was an interesting choice to get eaten... I feel like after 2 strong players have been eaten, the Spys are trying to get us paranoid about each other...

Looking forward to finding out whether or not Luna was a spy... And definitely looking forward to the next cipher....


Five-by-Five...
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Kaippertus


Posted: 08:05PM Apr 23, 2013

That would make a lot of sense if Luna was a spy, since I checked and everybody has been online today. I think we should wait for the cipher before casting any votes.

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TheSlyMrSlytus


Posted: 08:13PM Apr 23, 2013

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TUKU! hope you have a great day!

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"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." ― Dr. Seuss
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WittyKittyAus


Posted: 08:45PM Apr 23, 2013

Innovative wrote:
EDIT: We can only shoot one more human before we lose. Two means a loss. Any ideas?


Uhm... do you know something we don't? We don't know the identity of Lunasimba yet, but according to your post, you imply that Lunasimba is a human. If Lunasimba is indeed a human, then your post is true: two more wrong shots would be quite bad, and the spies would win (as the human/spy count would end up at 2/3). However, if Lunasimba is a spy, your post is incorrect because then we would be standing 7 humans, 2 spies. That would mean that even if we shot two more humans (and two were eaten overnight), the game would still be going with 3 humans and 2 spies. Freudian slip? Misspeak? Either way, you just moved yourself up to my top 3 suspects list.

Edit: spelling error.


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Baila como si nadie está mirando.
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Kaippertus


Posted: 09:30PM Apr 23, 2013

Happy birthday, Tuku ~

My first thought was that this could be a cipher where every number is a certain letter, but the "1-1-1-1-1" and "3-2-3-3-2" in there ruin that. There's also a word with all 2s.

Frequency rates:
1 - 136
2 - 105
3 - 88
4 - 81
5 - 32
6 - 13
7 - 7
8 - 11
9 - 10
10 - 7
11 - 2
13 - 1
14 - 4
15 - 2
20 - 2
24 - 2
25 - 1
28 - 1
30 - 3
32 - 1
37 - 5
61 - 1
72 - 1
105 - 1

I also find Innovative's comment suspicious...
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nicatsAus


Posted: 02:39AM Apr 24, 2013

This is more up my alley but will have to wait until i get home as my break doesnt allow enough time to solve it.

Happy birthday tuku


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jpostA


Posted: 05:20AM Apr 24, 2013

I am assuming tuku did the edit on the first post. Then why is the comment made "Hopefully one of them was a spy"? Wouldn't Tuku know if one was a spy? Why play games with us about whether we shot a spy or not? Isn't this game already hard enough as it is?

God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.
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nicatsAus


Posted: 08:01AM Apr 24, 2013

Wow this thing is kicking my butt...haha thought each set of numbers was a letter and a word between the / 's but even when I put them in order there is a lot of 3 letter words used.
here is what I came up with for each word containing that amount of letter
6
6
6
2
8
5
3
4
3
3
3
5
3
3
3
4
3
2
6
5
3
2
2
3
6

wonder if its a poem of sort? still pondering.


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mocha613Aus


Posted: 10:32AM Apr 24, 2013

jpost, Tuku never said she was going to be revealing identities of the people we shot. I don't think we can count on it. It was nice of her to give us that information for the first rounds, but I'm thinking that is probably stopping now that we are getting into further rounds.

"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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FaithDushkuAus


Posted: 10:39AM Apr 24, 2013

So if we don't know how many Agents are left, or how many Spys are left... Then I do wonder how Innovative knew how many we had left to shoot before we lost...

Unless his assumption is simply that we have shot 0 Spys.... But if we're not being told (although I did think we were told in earlier rounds), it seems like quite a jump to make....


Five-by-Five...
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WittyKittyAus


Posted: 12:17PM Apr 24, 2013

Faith, I was thinking the same thing. That seems like quite the assumption, and honestly, that would be a huge blunder for an agent or a spy to make. I think a spy would be much more likely to make such an "assumption," however, since spies know who the non-spies are. In all actuality, Innovative could very well be a spy just stating it like he knows it. For that reason, I am going to vote Innovative. Unfortunately, if that is the case, that would mean that Lunasimba was human.

Baila como si nadie está mirando.
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jpostA


Posted: 01:06PM Apr 24, 2013

well, that is certainly is a rum go, that's the truth. And obviously, tuku wants us to work really hard to get those ciphers. Too hard, if you ask me. They are very clever, I am sure, but some of us do not have all day to sit here and figure out these puzzles (although to be fair to tuku, she did select 48-hour Days for this game and probably those who know these puzzles can pick them up right away, like I did last round). So I give up on the puzzles and go back to my usual strategy which seems to be everybody else's. Although it is killing me to know what that middle number in each "term" is all about since it is the only one that goes into triple digits.

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Innovative*ca


Posted: 06:35PM Apr 24, 2013

It's an easy assumption we shot zero spies.

I mean, did Luna really seem like a spy? Not to me, honestly. Sure, go ahead and shoot me, but it seems like we're going nowhere.

I'm not a spy, but I'll just titfortat fishvote Witty for no other reason that he (she?) voted for me.

I'll work on the clue in a few minutes. (hours)


"This thaw took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." -George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets.
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tukuwakatikiAus


Posted: 07:56PM Apr 24, 2013

I want to clarify something:

I have never clarified who is a spy and who is not. Everyone is an agent, whether they are a spy, double-agent, or just a normal agent. it'd be like a villager in a town of humans, seers and wolves. You guys could have killed a spy already and maybe not. I have not confirmed. I was looking at it that as the director, I wouldn't know who the spies are if they are dead, otherwise I would tell you guys We have to wait until we are dead or stop being killed.

If you look at the posts, I use phrases like "looks like" and "hopefully" which do not confirm anything.


Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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TheSlyMrSlytus


Posted: 12:02AM Apr 25, 2013

From now on I would like to be called Agent Sly!!!!

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nicatsAus


Posted: 03:50AM Apr 25, 2013

well poo was hoping for some ideas on the code. Anywho checkin in as usual. Got off work early YAY!!

Go Fast turn left - visit TWG Hints and Tips in the forum~
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 10:28AM Apr 25, 2013

Well, this round has fallen on a busy time for me, had to write a test Tuesday, then spent all evening last night grading it. The round ends shortly after school gets out, so I probably won't have much of a chance to post after school either.

As innovative was one of my suspicions last round (see my long post for the reason why), and he has fallen under suspicion this round, I'm going to go ahead and vote for him now. I suppose some of the suspicious things he has said could be just his style, but with as many as there have been, it seems like more than chance. Particularly his really defensive post last round got my attention.


"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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Innovative*ca


Posted: 12:05PM Apr 25, 2013

Wait what? Well crud. I assumed that Agents were humans.

Well for all we know, we could have nailed two spies then.

Dangit.


"This thaw took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." -George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets.
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EliosAus


Posted: 12:12PM Apr 25, 2013

Wow, sorry guys, I really had no intention of being as Inactive as I have been. I've had a lot on my plate, but hopefully that's all settled now. After 600 miles of driving, and hours of talking & signing, I finally have a new car! So now that I can cruise around in style and without worry, I can be a player more worthy of this game.

I'm nowhere intelligent enough for these ciphers, I find. I can understand them when they're explained to me, but I have no clue how to figure them out on my own.

Without knowing who (if anyone) was a Spy, we're continuing to shoot blind. I hope our Double-Agent is still on the case and having luck in rooting out the Spies. If we're down to shoot-or-lose, it may be beneficial for the DA to maybe drop us a hint to at least guide us who NOT to shoot.

I'm agreeing with the general consensus of Innovative being suspicious. The thing that stuck out to me was from this round, and his "defense" of Lunasimba. He may be right in that she wasn't a spy, but why did that need to be said? She either was or she wasn't, but we already shot her, so the comment doesn't do anything for us.

Still about 5 more hours left in the Day, so I will vote tentatively for Innovative.


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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FaithDushkuAus


Posted: 02:06PM Apr 25, 2013

Couple of hours to go... Will go ahead and put in my vote for Innovative...

Five-by-Five...
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 04:56PM Apr 25, 2013

This has been an odd round with very few people voting and not many posts. It also seems like either people are afraid to post about their progress or did not get far on this cipher. I certainly fall into the later case.

"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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