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The Werewolf Game #2929

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #6

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Smithy*en


Posted: 06:21AM Jun 22, 2013

RFM

The Black Knight has returned with a vengeance, but the poor fellow has no sword. Yet his tongue cuts deeper than any blade. Will our valiant bucket-wearing warrior be able to... taunt out the last wolf? Will The Underscore Spider ever overcome his guilt for shooting his friend? Will Tim the Enchanter ever be able to rid himself of the Evil Bunny that haunts the as of yet unnamed cave?

Find out in Round Six of this harrowing tale of action, deceit, and hay fever!


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Smithy*en


Posted: 06:23AM Jun 22, 2013

Not sure what our lone wolf is playing at letting night time out when we've had quick rounds so far and no conclusions reached from them.

Anyway I'm feeling rather better so I'm here to defend myself, I realise I've done nothing to look human all game. Will try to cobble something attacking together too but I'm still feeling a bit outside of this game.


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PianistChrisAgi


Posted: 07:22AM Jun 22, 2013


My final suspect list:

Wolfies
Smithy


Possible Dogs
Spider
Koin


Cats
Skybet


I think because of the long night rounds Smit would be the best shot for a wolf, however after what Smit said:

Anyway I'm feeling rather better so I'm here to defend myself

I'm thinking its probable that the wolf may have taken Smit's illness into account from last round and pushed on the long night to get him shot, as Smit said; we've had quick rounds so far, except the last two with this one being the longest.

Both Koin and Spid I am unsure of. I haven't thought as much over Koin so I will have to look back, but with Spid I'm getting a more human vibe of, but I think he could be hiding his tail very well.

I have Sky on the more human side, I thought at the beginning with the points, as stupid as they were, would lead to something bigger, but I don't find Sky to be wolfish much at all this game.

Will check back a little later.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:45AM Jun 22, 2013

Obvious alphabetical time out eating.....

I'm imagining Smithy but I def would like to hear a defense first, we have a lot of resources to analyze and all we have to do is pick out who the best shot is in conjunction with Soft and Deb partners. I have more to say but it was a strange night last night and I feel weird (non alcohol related )

Come on Chris, how can I possibly be a wolf, if i was going to bus a wolf ruthlessly late when one of you and Chang were written off for dead, I wouldnt comb the entire game to do so. I should be in the, 'nothings 100% but Spider should be clear' category

my pairings had it between Sky and Smithy, but I will have to take Chris and Koin into account simply because the task isnt all that difficult...actually I did have Soft/Koin possible but wrote it off cause I thought Koin was mainly cleared

Smithy Im gonna level with you, night timed out either directly or indirectly because of you and your general absence, so I dont think you should prod the wolves with too sharp a stick here...the long night was a bit aggravating but I understand why it needed to be done...will need to see a concrete post or Im going to have to push for your shooting, there's only so long we can let you get away with putting it off (sick or not)

To be honest with you, the route Smithy goes with his "attack" will tell me more about him than the defense


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Smithy*en


Posted: 08:26AM Jun 22, 2013

The_Spider wrote:
Smithy Im gonna level with you, night timed out either directly or indirectly because of you and your general absence, so I dont think you should prod the wolves with too sharp a stick here...the long night was a bit aggravating but I understand why it needed to be done...will need to see a concrete post or Im going to have to push for your shooting, there's only so long we can let you get away with putting it off (sick or not)


I made sure to sign in last night, it was only a few hours into the night round so I definitely have the right to complain.

My one action that makes a good case for looking human, in round 3 I spoke out against moving away from a koin or deb vote, having already put my suspicion forth for both of them, particularly the former - I didn't vote that round in the end, if I was a wolf and koin human i would have put in a koin vote then given I'd already laid the groundwork for doing that. Obviously in this scenario the alt vote Chris would have been a human too so I could have just rolled with that too.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:34AM Jun 22, 2013

Maybe the wolves did it as a favor to make sure you had your vitamins in you and you were ready to go

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Smithy*en


Posted: 08:42AM Jun 22, 2013

I thought I was feeling better but now my sides have been split by your humourous ways.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:43AM Jun 22, 2013

Like I said, defenses are nice, let's see this attack

I guess ill put together my own updated analysis, but will probably be a bit later as I have to at least consider getting some exercise in soon


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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:06AM Jun 22, 2013

Okay I've looked back on the Koin votes for deb and at this stage I agree we pretty much have to rule him out, potentially pivotal and not exactly necessary votes, given we only have two shots it would be a waste to gamble it on someone who has good reason to look human.

I guess same with spid, pretty pivotal with the Deb shooting and softball last round, does seem a little different, perhaps more cautious, to usual, but maybe instinctive reads were harder to come by this game hence the need for the heavy stuff last round, again it doesn't seem like a good idea to go against this evidence on the basis of "sounds a bit different".

That leaves me with Chris and Sky. Chris was gunning for Sky rather strangely from the off, then conveniently switched to me when I became near-absent i.e. easy target, and tried to turn the long night round as a reason to vote me which is just nowhere near a good reason. However like I've said throughout Chris always piques my suspicion, and Sky has been slipping through quietly rather like he did before as a wolf (and rather adeptly), so my instinct has now suggested that he may be a better vote.

I guess I'll try to play catchup with The Great Spid and do some more in depth nonsense with the two suspects. (As far as I'm concerned they're the two best shots but I'm aware I need to place them ahead of me for the benefit of everyone else.)


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:14AM Jun 22, 2013

I remember Sky played a very strong game as a wolf one time...so I have NOT ruled him out...a few things about him bother me (like everyone) Chris seems...just strange beyond words right now.....like I said i will elabprate later

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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:18AM Jun 22, 2013

Yeah but I've definitely voted Chris a few times on the same basis and been wrong in some (not all), so I can't really say for certain. The game I'm thinking of that Sky won was a law and order game I think, in fact I think the final round was the Brit posse and I went for Chris over Sky, he played a good game of being active without ruffling feathers and kept Chris around perhaps as a shield, could be a similar operation in play here.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:22AM Jun 22, 2013

One thing I had 'exonerating' you was the Deb list in Round 3(?) she had both you and softball listed as 'thinking human' it could be fruitless and pointless to philosophize in the motivations of every little word a wolf uses, but I think the normal human instinct is to list the wolves under seperate categories, there is a normal human impulse not to put all eggs in one basket so to speak.....then again, it probly means absolutely nothing...haha...ill save everything else for my main evaluation

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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:26AM Jun 22, 2013

That's the sort of reasoning that sounds super-clever and would always work in a TV detective show but is probably around random chance in reality. Not to talk down anything that helps me too much of course.

EDIT: I do sort of feel like Sky would have made better eating choices post-Seer... but then it could be to throw us, or for some reason I can't see, and he did play the classic "I thought I was going to be eaten!" card when I don't really see why he'd think that.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:42AM Jun 22, 2013

Not sure...Chang was a time-out eating, so there is not much to learn there

the others, i will think about


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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:44AM Jun 22, 2013

I know, but phant was an awful choice, and Markus probably not the best option. Admittedly there were two wolves at the time for both of those so it may not reflect on our final one at all.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:07AM Jun 22, 2013

Sky buddy?

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Smithy*en


Posted: 10:14AM Jun 22, 2013

Sky and Chris both slipping down the online list as I write...

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Skybet*gb


Posted: 10:34AM Jun 22, 2013

Sorry, sorry. I've been reading, but not been able to summon the energy to write anything. Melodramatic I know.

I'm working on forging some coherent thoughts now. I will probably be a bit more useful later. When my ears have stopped ringing.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 10:45AM Jun 22, 2013

We all know anyone that claims they're ill is a wolf.

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Skybet*gb


Posted: 10:57AM Jun 22, 2013

So you're putting yourself in that basket too?

Besides, I'm not ill, this was self-inflicted.


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 11:32AM Jun 22, 2013

I've only got one clear now (spider) and chris I am pretty sure is human.

Could be either one really, though I would be more likely to vote smithy this round. We also have to remember that softball had a part in all the eatings except the latest one...

I have to go but I will look more into the eatings in a little bit.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:37AM Jun 22, 2013

We need to evaluate Softballs vote for Smithy last round as well...i hope to do a little review at 1ish (30 mins) but I got someone coming over at 2 then to phillies game so not 100% on when I can elaborate

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Smithy*en


Posted: 11:41AM Jun 22, 2013

koin: Why are you pretty sure Chris is human, and why are you placing me above Sky?

My actions don't make sense in round 3 if I'm a wolf, I usually try to rescue teammates, occasionally I bus, but whatever I do I always do it decisively, I wouldn't make some comment about voting for deb/koin then not follow through with a vote for koin (if rescuing) or deb (if bussing), given I had previously laid suspicion for both of them I wouldn't have suggested us towards a wolf without gunning for one or the other, which I easily could have done without attracting suspicion.

It would be the worst of both wolves, keeping my teammate in trouble without getting any credit for it.


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 12:46PM Jun 22, 2013

Being a bit useless last round, I wanted to try and make up for it this round. Alas, things don't always turn out the way we want them to. I'm very proud of Spid for getting us an excellent shot which he seemed to pluck from nowhere. Showing the pair analysis really does have something in it. So, with this in mind, I think it's probably best to work with the softball pairs Spid came up with, which is koin and Smithy.

Since koin is essentially cleared by voting record/interactions with deb, I think Smithy is undoubtedly the best shot this round. I don't think much of his defences either, they seem pretty weak. Yes, you voted deb and didn't just go with the Chris vote, but I think anyone who just went along with Spid in that instance, particularly if Chris flipped human, would look very suspicious. Much safer to just stick with your vote in this instance, and debs goose was pretty much cooked by that point anyway. It was me that hard to work pretty hard to convince people to vote deb towards the end of the round when she wasn't even in a majority.

My only problem with koin is why is he still in the game? Numerous players have multiple times cleared koin, essentially, but he is still here. And players like phant and chang have been eaten, who might have become good candidates to shoot. This isn't making sense to me either. For some reason the quote that's coming to me here is "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth". And for some reason it's leading me to koin. But I think he is only worth considering really if we hit must lunch.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 12:58PM Jun 22, 2013

I didn't vote deb, that's the essential part of my defence - what I did makes no sense if I was a wolf.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 12:58PM Jun 22, 2013

Sorry I napped, but i will make good on my word down the line sometime haha....for the third time though

CHANG WAS EATEN BECAUSE NIGHT TIMED OUT AND HE WAS 1st ALPHABETICALLY.....as for the other eating choices, those can be discussed


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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:00PM Jun 22, 2013

Going with Sky.

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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:15PM Jun 22, 2013

Ok, no need to shout.

And Smithy, I don't really get it. But please forgive my lack of processing power right now.

I'm just reading back through all of soft's posts and seeing if I can pull anything significant out.

She posted this list of each player, I will paste in the players left:
koin_era345- I have only played with him once or twice that I can remember, so I'm a little reluctant to jump on board with this vote, but when I get back from camp I'll check out his previous games.
PianistChris- I think his suspicion of sky might be something to look into, but I'm not entirely sold on it. I have to look at his gameplay as well...
Smithy- I don't see anything that is suspicious for him...
The_Spider- I think what Spider is saying is completely human, and in my opinion, he is my first clear.
Skybet- I think the reaction to Chris's accusation was semi-suspicious, but so far his gameplay has been pretty consistent and humanish to me, so I'm leaning towards human.
(and what she said about deb at this point)
debc1- Previously stated reasons and Putter's hypothetical divination lead me to believe she is the most likely to be a wolf, and that's where my vote will go when I'm done with this post.

She also started stacking up evidence against Chris in Round 4 and vying to get him shot, so I think he's pretty clear. Also began to try and go with Chris at the start of round 5.

Later in round 5, when there was already a strong maj on her, she decided to shift her suspicion almost entirely to Smithy. I think this might have been a small attempt to clear him as her final act.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:18PM Jun 22, 2013

... or a small attempt to frame someone as such for her wolf partner to pick up on later.

My point about Deb is this... we had three viable options - Chris, Deb and koin - that I could have voted for without attracting suspicion based on general feeling and what I had already said. If I'm a wolf then Chris and koin are human. Why I would have then 1) declined spid's suggestion at switching to Chris as an informative kill and 2) having done that, NOT pushed through the koin suspicion with a vote to rescue deb, OR voted to Deb to get some sort of "credit" for the shot? This was neither bus nor rescue, and if I was a wolf such a meek act would be far below me.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 01:27PM Jun 22, 2013

Its called emphasis, and if it didnt come across the first two times, apparantly it was

Ill have fun this later, out for awhile though


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:28PM Jun 22, 2013

Indeed, but I think that version is slightly more intricate than what I already suggested. And to me makes a lot more sense.

Smithy wrote:
Don't know about the whole keeping koin/deb alive thing, seems like we're just muddying the waters for ourselves and offering chances for the wolves to act with good justification, will be back before the end, may or may not cast an important vote one way or another.

This is what you wrote in regards to it, and you never did return to cast a vote at all. This seems evident of the non-committal, diplomatic and bland behavior you accused koin of in the same round, and what other players say your wolf play is like. I think these events actually make you seem more suspicious, not less.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:30PM Jun 22, 2013

In my last game as a wolf I heartlessly bussed softball, game before that I kamikazed trying to save Chris, the diplomacy is in regards to other suspects not fellow wolves (and I daresay is not as prominent in my wolf games any more - see Spid getting TOTALLY ZINGED by me last game).

Anyway, I didn't get back on to vote because the round was ended early. It wasn't "diplomacy" as I was pretty clear on my suspects.


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:33PM Jun 22, 2013

It's still interesting that you're exhibiting the characteristics that you point out in others as suspicious.

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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:34PM Jun 22, 2013

Like I just said, I wasn't. Not getting back in time to vote is completely different to being wishy-washy.

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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:36PM Jun 22, 2013

Abstaining from voting (and not seeming to care about it) and saying you don't believe in a vote on another player who is very likely a human. This seems very diplomatic to me. Also non-committal and wishy-washy. You can talk about suspects all day long but you need to follow them up with votes to show you mean what you say.

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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:37PM Jun 22, 2013

What happens more frequently, a wolf votes for another wolf, or a wolf states a case to shoot another wolf?

Chris was in no way, and still isn't "very likely human". I could easily have voted for him (or koin) and you haven't addressed what kind of tactical decision would have made me choose not to given how un-suspicious either vote would have been. I didn't abstain from voting, I stated my intention to return with a vote and the round was ended early, no matter how hard you try that cannot reflect badly on me.


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:41PM Jun 22, 2013

"may or may not cast an important vote one way or another."

Doesn't seem like you had every intention to vote at all.

Chris is pretty likely human, Soft 2 rounds in a row tried to get him shot unprovoked.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:45PM Jun 22, 2013

I meant between koin or deb depending on the situation I returned to. (Actually, maybe it wasn't all that clear, but still.) There is a big difference between saying "x and y are our best options but I've not yet decided which of the two" and being indecisive/diplomatic i.e. "they could be good options, but then they could be human because...".

As I've said a million times (possibly an exaggeration, don't quote me on that) why would I have nudged towards deb/koin without taking the plunge one way or another? This isn't to do with tone of post which used to give me away but basic tactics.


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:54PM Jun 22, 2013

So you're trying to make out that makes you human?

From the beginning of the round you stated that you didn't have much faith in a deb vote and strongly supported a koin vote, quoting his earlier posts and such.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 01:55PM Jun 22, 2013

Yes, so when saying moving away from koin/deb was a bad idea, why would I then have not voted koin?

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koin_era345tus


Posted: 03:59PM Jun 22, 2013

Just kinda jumping in here, Round 3 was pretty crazy and every move doesn't have to make the most logical sense.

That being said, not voting may have just been a move to keep eyes off of you. 3 people voted for deb after your last post that round, so she wasn't clearly going to be shot. Nobody knew how that round would turn out. If you had voted deb at that point, you could have been the pivotal vote in accidentally getting your wolf partner shot. If you had voted for me, you would be a prime suspect in the case of everyone switching over to deb and her being revealed as a wolf. Playing it safe so people don't suspect you either way the round turns out.

That again being said, im not entirely convinced sky is human so he would ideally be the next round shot if I am still alive at that point.


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 04:01PM Jun 22, 2013

Skybet wrote:
My only problem with koin is why is he still in the game? Numerous players have multiple times cleared koin, essentially, but he is still here. And players like phant and chang have been eaten, who might have become good candidates to shoot. This isn't making sense to me either. For some reason the quote that's coming to me here is "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth". And for some reason it's leading me to koin. But I think he is only worth considering really if we hit must lunch.


That's not necessarily true - My voting record hasn't been exactly perfect. Im not sure why so many people decided I was human but not complaining.


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Smithy*en


Posted: 04:51PM Jun 22, 2013

A vote for you koin would not have looked suspicious, even when Deb was revealed to be a wolf, but even if that were the case why would I not have followed Spid's lead in voting Chris and thus hidden behind him?

If I was a wolf why would I have suggested Chris was a bad vote and NOT gone ahead with a vote for Deb, a pretty simple point which I've said many of times, such an act would be taking most of the risk of bussing a teammate without any of the "credit" for shooting a wolf.


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 06:19PM Jun 22, 2013

I feel like we are obsessing over a small detail that doesn't really come close to clearing you anyway.

Logging my vote for Smithy as I might not be around for the end of the round.


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 06:22PM Jun 22, 2013

Spid and chris, what do you think?

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:23PM Jun 22, 2013

Back

put on a pot of coffee, I got this

No one's got a gun to your head about reading this

Naturally we have to take a systematic approach here, knowing the wolf trio is among

DEB-SOFT-SMITHY
DEB-SOFT-SKY
DEB-SOFT-CHRIS
DEB-SOFT-KOIN
DEB-SOFT-SPIDER

naturally some groups will make less sense because of Deb interactions, and some because of Soft interactions, it is now my sworn duty to find out what those are...see you on the beach

ROUND 1 NOTES

Smithy Smithy acted really goofy in Round 1, which is part of the reason I thought him human. I mean I just found it odd he would really go the paint route as a wolf but this was only the kernel of a gut feeling and nothing substantial. He also had some weird posts about going after the person with the lowest count based on something Sky said, seemed just so overplayed...but I can't imagine he would allow himself to act so strangely as a wolf...still possible though

I have no other major Round 1 findings other than the previous mentioned vote situation that went like this

Deb -Koin
Chang - (follows Deb to Koin)
Existing vote - Deb
Koin - random vote for Deb

so thats a 2-2 wolf tie (Coolnine was also in the mix) anything is possible but there are so many potential options available in Round 1, that squaring off with a partner is a needless gamble. A point in favor of clearing Koin from the triumvirate.

ROUND 2 Notes

Sky reccomends a 'punt' is likely in order on Deb or Chang, but notes the possibility Deb is getting worried Chang is exposing them/her. Deb doesnt post again but Harry does, suggesting Chang is probably human, but Deb is starting to be suspicous, Sky says he generally agrees and will likely vote Deb but not until full SPV coverage is obtained.

Koin notes a suspicoun of Chris and Deb

I vote Deb followed shortly after by Koin voting Deb, bringing the important votes to

Chang - Chang
Soft - Chang
Phant - Chang

Deb - Phant
Markus - Phant

Harry - Deb
Spider - Deb
Koin - Deb

Smithy arrives on this, notes the suspicioun of Deb could be valid...Chris also posts something weird around this time...chooses to maintain an SPV on Koin for weird sounding posts. Eventually the votes switch to Har in the following order me > koin > Har > etc

The main conclusion I draw from this round is to make Koin more unlikely to be #3...its too bad Har didnt return so that we could know for sure Sky would do, this round probably helps Sky but its nothing decisive to draw from it

ROUND 3 NOTES

Pivotal round

Smithy posts alluding to possibility that Deb was seered but also notes Harry could have simply been eaten to fulfill a Harry/Evi pairing of eatings....seems a long shot. Smithy adds he wouldnt oppose a Chris or Deb vote but also noted lingering suspicoun of Koin

Markus votes first for Deb

Sky notes Deb is top suspect and he is neutral on koin, Smithy posts the infamous 'koin post' that meets later with unusual levels of praise (from two now known humans so very odd haha) From here on I sort of trailed of taking notes as votes started to come in on Deb. The morning votes looked like

Chris - Sky
Chang- Koin
Markus - Deb
Sky - Deb
Spider Koin ----> to Deb
UNC - koin

Then

Soft adds to Deb, basically posting a 'point of no return' attack on Deb, would she do this if koin was also a wolf, there are reasons for and against it so i dont know.

Deb votes Koin

Sky seems fairly commited to a Deb attack, Smithy posts once more, spending a bit of time dealing with Phant's bizzare suspicoun of me. I dont know what to make of this as it was generally an unimportant sidebar. Chris seems nonchalant about a wolf being in the crosshairs (he persists on his odd fascination with Sky)....eventually ending the round by voting Deb...still noting a Sky suspicioun (I would think he may attempt to backtrack on this knowing that it would soon be revealed that Deb is a wolf)

Basic conclusions

Smithy >> Toward Wolf
Sky >>> Away from Wolf
Koin >> Away From Wolf
Chris > Away from Wolf

Phant is then eaten....I may or may not evaluate eatings in a seperate later post

ROUND 4 NOTES

This round is actually hard to draw much from so Im going to post the votes in their apparant order. Softball starts out non commital, waiting for others to post their suspicouns, when she votes Chris she does so with authority...I dont know if this follows the trend of her Deb vote or not, but she does this early, and I would think she wouldnt be this ruthless.

UNC - Chris
Chris - Sky
Soft - Chris
Sky - UNC
Koin - UNC
Smithy - Chris
Chris -> UNC

The three suspects throughout this round were Chang, Chris, and UNC, two of which were proven to be human, someone fighting exceptionally hard for one over the other is less likely to be a wolf. I want to read the round one more time to ensure I have this right. Actually no one was all that fired up about one over the other, I asked for help at the end, possibly because no one was on, I didnt get any....didnt draw a whole lot from this round other than

Chris >> Away from Wolf
Smithy > Toward Wolf

ROUND 5 NOTES

I dont have a lot to say, this round should absolutely clear me, as for the rest of the round....to me it comes down to Soft's motivation for voting Smithy....save herself or save one of them?? its odd she had no real feelings for Smithy all game and then she sprung a case together against him at the end..but Im not sure what that says one way or the other...Soft noted suspicoun of Chris early again

I draw nothing substaintial from this round that I didnt already know


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 10:32PM Jun 22, 2013

For the record my round 1 deb vote wasn't random - I was making fun of her voting "wildly and randomly" to put me in a mini-majority.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:14PM Jun 22, 2013

CLIFF NOTES

Koin, Sky -> probably not wolves

Chris....uncertain

Smithy....not looking good

Reading Round 6 and approaching a decision

I find it odd that Chris would have mere "vibes" that I am human after last round, and Smithy really gave me clearence even with some reluctance...seriously Softball was in no danger, Chris/Chang were in terrible danger. If I was a wolf, shooting Softball is pathetic gameplay ANYWAY

Smithy's defenses do NOT measure up. It's inconsistent to claim your lack of decisiveness as a defense while acknowledging the round ended early. Its normal for people to put off an important decision, so you may very well have fully intended to be decisive, but the oppurtunity never arose. Its tough to tell if its just you trying to immerse yourself in the game but your posts just don't sound human..lacking any sign of real deliberations or insights....I will reread once again, but my vote hangs over you.....though Koin seems to me waiting for me to make a move which I find a bit unsettling....one more review

Lastly, being the second vote on a wolf (when you KNOW they are a wolf) hardly constitutes Zinging someone its a free move a wolf can play anytime they want.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:37PM Jun 22, 2013

Smithy tends to use logic as a shield as a wolf (sounds dumb I know)

but what I mean is he posts on subjects that are easy to address objectively and are more theoretical than truly practical to the game at hand. He has less expansive personal reads, and when controversial events happen he usually tries to produce both sides of the issue (the eating of Harry struck me as one such issue) this is part of his diplomatic personality. Logical play is obviously fine, but Smithy tends to 'retreat' to a position he can defend purely on often on a theoretically logical basis (his addres of Phants critiicsm of me, and Changs Round 5 criticism of me spring to mind). All in all, I am not confident in the vote to the point where I think we are about to win, but Smithy seems like the best vote. if we are wrong DO NOT VOTE next round as it will be must lynch

Voting Smithy

Koin has been creeping, not sure if that says anything should he decide to end the round and shoot a, human, Smithy


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koin_era345tus


Posted: 11:43PM Jun 22, 2013

I've been switching back and forth to this tab for new posts... it all seems so complicated

Gonna wait to make a decision a little longer.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:45PM Jun 22, 2013

I think we are hasty, or at least overeager to claim Chris as clear, but I think Smithy is the best vote in this round at least.....decide for yourself, I hope to wake up to a won game

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koin_era345tus


Posted: 11:50PM Jun 22, 2013

I think ill go ahead and end the round. He probably would get shot this round anyway, and there's a lot against him.

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Posted: 01:30AM Jun 23, 2013

The Black Knight is no more. Left in the woods with no limbs as the remaining knights journey onward. Tis their last chance to find the one with excessive amounts of body hair. Our tale continues...
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