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The Werewolf Game #2933

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 9 rounds.

Discussion of Round #6

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:08AM Jul 1, 2013

RFM

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:09AM Jul 1, 2013

UNC told me he was seer last round and Markus and I are cleared.....the post was quickly edited....just wanted it on note...back to sleep

so the three wolves are among

dfc
sky
dfam
Pope

EDIT: To be clear, this was all done in the Round 4 Thread, no where else


---This message was edited on 2013-07-01 11:11:37---

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dfamina


Posted: 07:43AM Jul 1, 2013

I must be having a glitch of some kind, because it shows that this game is in Round 6, with Round 5 being completely devoid of votes and posts.

If unc is telling you the truth, then we have our three wolves. At this point, I need only defend myself as there's really not much sense in dissecting each of their posts if I know I'm the human among the three. Suffice to say, I've had an odd feeling about Pope since Round Two. Unless, of course, you're not telling the truth, and then I'll feel like a dolt. I don't believe I've ever seen you as a wolf, and your reasonings are always sound, so I'm inclined to believe you.

Really, I don't have a whole lot to say about my own actions, as the reasoning should be simple enough.

Round 1: There's seldom any information of note to pull from this round. It ended up being a battle between two relative inactives (I use "relative", since soccerguy did eventually show up, however briefly), and I chose not to vote in either majority due to the fact that one inactive shot is just as good as any other.

Round 2: The only bandwagon I jumped on, and only after faheem had 5 votes on him already. I wouldn't have bothered, but I wanted to allow for an early end, upon which HABS capitalized (and was promptly eaten thereafter for her efforts).

Round 3: SPV'ed for Faith and didn't bother changing my vote. She became an inactive and she did log on that round toward the end, though still said not a word, nor did she vote. Now, it may have been because there were only a couple of hours left when she logged on, but there's no reason that anyone, regardless of role, shouldn't at least -try- to save themselves.

Round 4: Nothing to say here.

I do apologize for my absence, I have no internet at home whatsoever, and since I'm new to the neighborhood, I don't yet know anyone whose computer I could have used. Also, unc, I'm one of the fellas. But don't feel bad. You're definitely not the first to get that mixed up.

I'm placing my vote for Pope.


---This message was edited on 2013-07-01 07:43:58---
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:45AM Jul 1, 2013

Though Im not lying (its possible I fell for an elaborate UNC ruse I suppose) i still would have advised waiting to vote...it shouldnt hurt us this game (if you are human) but a gamble on your part

In hindsight we really should have shot Sky last round seeing as he was both a suspect and inactive (he's been shy about posting this round as well)


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dfamina


Posted: 09:00AM Jul 1, 2013

I suppose you're right in that waiting would've been a good idea, but I wanted to make a show of force, and I got a bit excited when I saw your post. (As excited as one can be about this game, anyway.)

I've seen both Sky and Pope on within the last hour or so, and not a word from either. I don't know if they didn't have enough time, or are trying to conjure up a defense (or attack), but it doesn't look good for them.

I'm hoping unc divined me last round (if he is indeed the Seer), since I seemed to be under the microscope for a little bit. I guess we'll have to see.
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Pope_Greg4


Posted: 09:01AM Jul 1, 2013

I dont know how to respond to that post Spider. Why would you out UNC? Can't he do it himself? Why should we believe someone who outs the seer even though he is still here? I'm not saying we shouldn't have outted him I believe UNC could have done so himself. Unless you and UNC are wolves and have been messaging each other which would lead me to believe that's why you created your list to form a bandwagon for other humans. So this round you Spider get my vote.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:08AM Jul 1, 2013

if you think Im lying why not wait for the seer to confirm? or the "real seer" to come forward

if you are human youve just thrown the game away, but it seems like you are not


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Pope_Greg4


Posted: 09:25AM Jul 1, 2013

Its just odd IMO for you to reveal it before UNC.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:27AM Jul 1, 2013

but its not odd...its just a superficial excuse to vote me

its must lynch, one hasty vote can lose the game, explaining a round in which UNC could have been "saved" asap seems prudent, and UNC or me comes out, whats the diff its the same info...hopefully his next div is alive too.


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Pope_Greg4


Posted: 09:43AM Jul 1, 2013

I'm sure UNC can speak for himself.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:50AM Jul 1, 2013

and he's quite welcome to

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dcf525*


Posted: 10:00AM Jul 1, 2013

Ok, this is about to be my longest post of the game, so please bear with me:

1. It is strange that Spider is outing UNC as the seer (and mighty convenient that Spider is cleared)- when did he reveal himself to you, outside of the game? That is not allowed. AND, I found a secret message from Jayo yesterday in one of his early posts. I think Jayo was the actual seer, not UNC, especially because of the way Spider and UNC piled on to vote for him, with no real explanation! Please review the discussion in Round 4. If UNC were the seer, he would have lead the vote against a suspected wolf, not a human.

2. Did night time out? It did not by my calculation, but what would that mean, if anything? (BTW, welcome back Dfam.)

3. The round 5 glitch is weird, but I am glad it did not automatically eliminate players- we are running low on humans.

We HAVE to get it right this round, or the wolves will win.

EDIT: Jayo's secret message was in Round 2, his first post. It does not clear or accuse anyone, but it was still early in the game, too early to out himself.


---This message was edited on 2013-07-01 10:03:38---

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:02AM Jul 1, 2013

Jayo was revealed to be human, and I do not see anything like a secret message?!

you two really crawled out of the woodwork

seers dont automatically know who wolves are so your point about UNC voting Jayo makes no sense

you two realize I could simply (as a wolf) claim seer myself if I wanted to?


---This message was edited on 2013-07-01 10:08:31---

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dfamina


Posted: 10:14AM Jul 1, 2013

dcf525 wrote:
AND, I found a secret message from Jayo yesterday in one of his early posts. I think Jayo was the actual seer, not UNC, especially because of the way Spider and UNC piled on to vote for him, with no real explanation! Please review the discussion in Round 4. If UNC were the seer, he would have lead the vote against a suspected wolf, not a human.

EDIT: Jayo's secret message was in Round 2, his first post. It does not clear or accuse anyone, but it was still early in the game, too early to out himself.


Jayo's hidden message literally says "This is a hidden message... Congrats, You found it!"

Now then. Last round, Unc likely didn't know who the wolves were, or whether or not Jayo was among them. It could also be possible that he knows the identity of only -one- wolf, and at this point, two clears and a wolf isn't enough information. That still leaves three unknowns, and a high chance of failure. It's more likely, though, that his other divinations have been shot or eaten.

I will grant you, however, that it's possible that Spider and unc are both wolves (or even unc by himself is a wolf). Markus' identity in that case would be moot, since one missed shot ends the game. Chances are, no one's going to gun for unc this round since everyone knows he's eaten if he's the actual Seer. If he isn't, and people don't believe Spider, then Spider will be the one shot and the wolves win. Spider knows that he takes a risk by outing the Seer, and I just don't think he'd put himself out there like that if he were a wolf. (Though he does make a convincing argument.) In light of this, I believe in Spider's humanity and will fully accept the title of "Dolt" if I'm proven wrong.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:16AM Jul 1, 2013

Look at the round 4 messages from 9:37 - 10 : 02 EST The first was UNCs claim (he said I was only one on so he wanted to come out to me only since i was cleared) I acknowledge at 10 : 02. his edit is at 10 : 03...this is when this reveal took place. I know wolves gotta make something out of nothing, but what im doing is simply getting information out quickly, wait for UNC if your so uppity about it, but none of you have counterclaimed and Jayo is obviously not seer haha.

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dfamina


Posted: 10:36AM Jul 1, 2013

By the way, another hidden gem from Jayo, in his last post of round Three:

"If I were Seer, I'd divine one of these two for sure." Referring to Pope and myself. So, he definitely was not the Seer.
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 11:11AM Jul 1, 2013

hi. yes, i am seer.

in order:

spider - human
habs - human
markus - human
smithy - the game appears to have glitched, and it didnt give me an ID for smithy (probably something to do with the fact we are for some reason on day 6 now instead of day 5), but hes clearly human

0 for 4!

and i feel pretty confident that dfam is the other human, for the record


this isnt where i parked my car
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:12AM Jul 1, 2013

lol that would have been weak had Smithy not been eaten

I agree about dfam...I could vote Pope but I guess its fair to wait for Markus/Sky

also in hindsight you would have been better off divining a round 4 non-voter who would be unlikely to be eaten instead of Smithy, but we have good info, we just need to pick the right human out of the 4


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unctarheelAus


Posted: 11:33AM Jul 1, 2013

lol yeah, but the two nonvoters were a suspected wolf, and one person who i thought had been cleared due to login times, but now i'm not so sure if he is.

(i was trying to get a human this time, because i already had 3 clears, including myself, and if i got one more, then thats 4 clears with only 3 others left, who have to be wolves. and ik you already know this, spider, i'm just making sure everyone else sees that reasoning)


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unctarheelAus


Posted: 12:43PM Jul 1, 2013

oh btw, dfam, i had always thought you were a guy, but i saw someone else referring to you as 'she' and 'her'

i'm planning to vote for pope too, but i will wait for others.

right now im at like 99.9 % sure that pope and dcf are wolves, and like 80% on sky


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Pope_Greg4


Posted: 12:47PM Jul 1, 2013

Connivence seems to play a key role in this game. It was convient that the rounds (may have) timed out not clearing anyone last "night". It's convient that Spider just magically cleared himself today before UNC could even say he was the "seer" which I doubt he is. I am fingering UNC and Spider as a wolf pack.
If Spider was cleared the first night I assume he was contacted and what not. if so why didn't he come out earlier to save us from what is going on today? Or why haven't Spider and Markus collaborated in helping us find the real wolves?
There ladies and gentlemen are your wolves.
UNC
Spider
Markus

Three convient people who as Spider put it came out of the woodwork.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 12:55PM Jul 1, 2013

So then who is the seer

the seer could easily put me/UNC to rest couldnt he


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Pope_Greg4


Posted: 01:01PM Jul 1, 2013

how do we know s/he was ate or shot in earlier rounds? Stewie never said he would give out that information? Given I haven't played with Stewie as a mod in a LONG time.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 01:08PM Jul 1, 2013

He's given out every single ID up to now (outside of Smithy's) it doesnt matter anyway as I really am not trying to convince you or your likely partner (dcf)

The problem with you (and to a lesser extent dcf's) approach is that you are challenging this revelation strongly with absolutely no consideration that it could be true. A human (like the way dfam is behaving) should be saying, well ok nice! now I know who the 3 wolves are just dont shoot me....You and DCF arnt doing that, you are both immeadetly trying to tare down the information given by the seer, whereas a human should welcome the news (at least until challenged by a second seer claim)


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unctarheelAus


Posted: 01:25PM Jul 1, 2013

yeah, what spider said

this isnt where i parked my car
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dfamina


Posted: 01:39PM Jul 1, 2013

Pope, it seems as though you're trying harder to plant the seeds of doubt than actually trying to formulate a defense. Or an attack, for that matter. You give no alternate theory, no analysis, simply a "This can't be true because such and such didn't happen sooner."

You're asking why Spider didn't come out and say that he was cleared earlier? Because there was no way that unc would have backed him up at that stage of the game, and without a Seer's "Aye", all you've got is your own word against the suspicions of everyone else. Spider knew that unc would come out this round, since it's must lynch, and thus knew that his word would be confirmed.
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Pope_Greg4


Posted: 01:45PM Jul 1, 2013

An ID as human a seer is a human?
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dfamina


Posted: 01:52PM Jul 1, 2013

I imagine he would specify if the Seer were shot. I don't think it makes much sense to tell everyone who was/wasn't a wolf, but not do the same for the Seer.
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dcf525*


Posted: 01:56PM Jul 1, 2013

I would welcome the news, as a human, if it were not delivered so suspiciously. I have been planning my post since I discovered Jayo's secret message, but you posted before I could. Congrats on your timing.

...and by the way, no one has addressed how you, Spider, knew UNC was the Seer before everyone else. You two are clearly communicating outside of the game, so if there is a likely 'wolf' pair, it would be you and UNC.

I am still not convinced UNC is the Seer. Stewie has been offering ID's but not confirming whether or not the Seer is still here. The Spider/UNC Seer revelation is still awfully convenient at this point in the game. The shadiness is just too much to ignore.

EDIT: I went back and checked the round 4 discussion. The only posts edited by UNC were in the middle of the round. Do you mean to say that he posted he was the Seer in the middle of the round and Spider was the only one to see it?


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unctarheelAus


Posted: 02:00PM Jul 1, 2013

reading comprehension fail

this isnt where i parked my car
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dcf525*


Posted: 02:05PM Jul 1, 2013

Well, that was rude UNC. I was in the middle of typing when dfam posted, thanks.

Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:08PM Jul 1, 2013

I clearly explained how me and UNC 'communicated' your continued inference that we are cheating is pathetic

are you setting up this as an excuse for if you lose?


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unctarheelAus


Posted: 02:09PM Jul 1, 2013

i meant about this part:

dcf525 wrote:
...and by the way, no one has addressed how you, Spider, knew UNC was the Seer before everyone else. You two are clearly communicating outside of the game, so if there is a likely 'wolf' pair, it would be you and UNC.


but you are right, it was rude, so i do apologize. spider stated it a couple times, that we communicated during round 4. he was the only person online so i told him everything, and then edited the post so no one else could see it


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dfamina


Posted: 03:07PM Jul 1, 2013

I just want to let everyone know that, because I am leaving work very soon, I will be unable to do anything more for the remainder of this round. My internet should be fixed tomorrow, but until then... well, you get the idea.

My vote will stay where it is, and hopefully no ground-breaking revelation comes that would've swayed my vote, had I been here to witness it.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:21PM Jul 1, 2013

Well the humans will have to align at some point (likely on Pope with dfams vote) need to make sure Markus has a chance to post (mainly on the unlikley chance he is seer). Be back later to vote but we need to line up on this one

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dfamina


Posted: 04:27PM Jul 1, 2013

So, my internet appears to be fixed somehow. I'm back in action. However, I'm still not changing my vote.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:47PM Jul 1, 2013

Pope pretty much is admitting he's a wolf so my vote goes there

only a wolf would vote against an unopposed seer claim so wheres your vote gonna go dcf...are you going to vote me and admit you're a wolf too


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unctarheelAus


Posted: 08:11PM Jul 1, 2013

can i vote for you for old times sake?

this isnt where i parked my car
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:12PM Jul 1, 2013

I don't know, can you dodge a punch

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unctarheelAus


Posted: 08:35PM Jul 1, 2013

if you can dodge a punch, you can dodge a ball

this isnt where i parked my car
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dfamina


Posted: 08:37PM Jul 1, 2013

unc, you have no idea how close I came to saying that exact same thing.
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 08:40PM Jul 1, 2013



this isnt where i parked my car
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:35PM Jul 1, 2013

I presume you will be voting?!

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unctarheelAus


Posted: 09:50PM Jul 1, 2013

me? of course. i'll go ahead and do it now.

this isnt where i parked my car
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 09:51PM Jul 1, 2013

hmm i'm going to divine the spider this time, jussssst in case i got it wrong the first time

this isnt where i parked my car
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:56PM Jul 1, 2013

go for it

going to sleep...dcf is obviously going to admit she's a wolf and vote me, Sky...i dont know...if he gets on he'll probly go for the 50/50 if Markus hasnt voted and ended the round.....hopfully Markus is an early riser


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