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The Werewolf Game #2940

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This game is moderated by Gizzer. Please read the rules and contact the moderator with any questions or concerns about this game.

Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #1

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  

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unctarheelAus


Posted: 12:19AM Jul 22, 2013

RFM

Thanks, and welcome to the game, unctarheel and buu441 (There you get to share the first post! )


Round 1 Challenge
Where in the World?

This game is about teamwork, so you'll need to work together on this challenge. Let's hope everybody is active! I have sent each player a private message containing a letter pair. When all 20 letter pairs are correctly placed in the list below, you'll spell out the names of 7 countries. (eg: If three of the letter pairs were CA, NA and DA, you could spell CANADA.)


Countries

1) __ __ LA
2) __ __ __
3) __ __ __
4) __ __ __
5) __ __
6) __ __ __
7) __ __ __


Send me the list of 7 countries to receive the right to vote!

Note: If a player has not opened their message after 24 hours, I will retract the message and post the missing letter pairs as the hint.


The randomly selected Scapegoat for this round is Elios.
Elios, please cast your vote for yourself now. If you earn - or are extended - the right to vote, you may change it.

Other players are not allowed to vote for the Elios until/unless she is able to change her vote!

Remember, Shadows and Limerick have immunity this round. No one may vote to shoot them, and wolves may not eat them!


---This message was edited on 2013-07-23 12:46:32---

this isnt where i parked my car
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buu441Ain


Posted: 12:23AM Jul 22, 2013

i start off the game, and then you RFM while i am reading the rules. no fair, UNC. gimme the first post

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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sonic102cin


Posted: 12:28AM Jul 22, 2013

The games have begun...

Play my game "Alliances"! PM me!
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 12:35AM Jul 22, 2013

Here we go!

"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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21kaldridge21Aus


Posted: 12:35AM Jul 22, 2013

Glad to see the game has begun.

Headed to bed right now so I will check back in the morning.


---This message was edited on 2013-07-22 00:36:58---

I'm back
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 12:43AM Jul 22, 2013

you snooze you lose, buu!

this isnt where i parked my car
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TanCWA


Posted: 01:09AM Jul 22, 2013

Wow... Hi unc and buu! Been such a long time since I played a game with both of you...

what is sense??and if i am not making sense, then why i say it?? I SAY IT COZ IT MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WHY IT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU????????? sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LanceKolaskiAus


Posted: 03:10AM Jul 22, 2013

Anyone remember me? Been a while!
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buu441Ain


Posted: 04:49AM Jul 22, 2013

not really. you just got busted last game and made sure they busted me next round. just wait till i earn my right to vote lance

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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Gizzer


Posted: 05:19AM Jul 22, 2013

Good morning, everyone! The PM's have been sent and I"ve updated the first post with the challenge and information about the Scapegoat and first round immunity. Now to check the talkboxes and see who has what roles!

Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
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buu441Ain


Posted: 07:44AM Jul 22, 2013

@gizzer: about my letter pair, i reveal it here so that everyone can work on it right?

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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Gizzer


Posted: 08:01AM Jul 22, 2013

buu441 wrote:
@gizzer: about my letter pair, i reveal it here so that everyone can work on it right?

Good question! You can post it here or in your team talkbox or both. Teams will probably have to work together on this one, in order to solve it.


Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 08:29AM Jul 22, 2013

Woo - I was OOT all weekend but I'm here now; I swear I'll be active I have to do some Work but I'll be back to work on the challenge!
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21kaldridge21Aus


Posted: 08:53AM Jul 22, 2013

My letter pair is IA

I'm back
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WittyKittyAus


Posted: 09:12AM Jul 22, 2013

Lance, I remember playing with you way back when. Welcome back!

My letter pair is RW.


Baila como si nadie está mirando.
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 09:13AM Jul 22, 2013

With this challenge, I really think it is important to post what we know here... We can work on the challenge in our own groups, but no one will be able to solve the puzzle if we don't all come together and the scapegoat won't have a chance. That being said, my letter pair is MA

So far we have IA and MA


"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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TanCWA


Posted: 09:30AM Jul 22, 2013

IA
RW
MA


AN from me!


what is sense??and if i am not making sense, then why i say it?? I SAY IT COZ IT MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WHY IT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU????????? sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
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debc1A


Posted: 09:35AM Jul 22, 2013

morning

question-
are the pairs in order?


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Gizzer


Posted: 09:40AM Jul 22, 2013

debc1 wrote:
question-
are the pairs in order?

Yes, each letter pair is given in the correct order.

Edit for clarification:

That is, if you receive the letter pair "IA", that pair is in the correct order and should not be considered to be "AI".


I'm not sure if this will help or not, but the letter pairs were given out in alphabetical order to players, in the order in which the players joined the game. I have no control over the order in which people pick up their message or post their letter pairs, of course!


---This message was edited on 2013-07-22 09:56:10---

Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
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KRUGERGIRL14Aus


Posted: 10:01AM Jul 22, 2013

I have DA

*vampscholar*
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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:36AM Jul 22, 2013

and i have ZA

IA
RW
MA
DA
ZA
WI

so far.

i think my ZA forms zambia, if anyone comes up with MB.

6 letter countries hope this link will be helpful.

it gives RW for NORWAY. or RWANDA. MA-PANAMA maybe.

lets see what the others come up with.

edit: list updated.


---This message was edited on 2013-07-22 11:08:59---

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 10:56AM Jul 22, 2013

WI here

this isnt where i parked my car
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buu441Ain


Posted: 11:09AM Jul 22, 2013

that should give us MALAWI from the list.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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EliosAus


Posted: 11:24AM Jul 22, 2013

Oh wow, I have bad luck to the Scapegoat right off the bat. My vote is cast.

My letter pair is "GO".


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 11:25AM Jul 22, 2013

So, so far, we have the following countries. Not a bad start! buu, I was thinking we should find a list like that, but you were on top of it already. There is also one country that will be only 4 letters, here is that link.

Unused Bank: AN

1) MA __ WI (LA)
2) ZA MB IA
3) RW AN DA
4) __ MB IA (GA)
5) TO GO
6) __ __ __
7) __ __ __

EDIT: GO would make ANGOLA

EDIT 2: added CW's AN and deb's MB

EDIT 3: GO works better with TOGO, I moved AN back up to the bank

EDIT 4: GAMBIA with the MB and IA?


---This message was edited on 2013-07-22 14:20:11---

"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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Gizzer


Posted: 11:27AM Jul 22, 2013

Thank you for casting your Scapegoat vote, Elios!

Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 11:30AM Jul 22, 2013

I, too, have "IA", which doesn't help too much at the moment =/

Possible countries with my letters in them: BOSNIA, GAMBIA, LATVIA, PERSIA, RUSSIA, SERBIA, (ZAMBIA which is already on the board).


---This message was edited on 2013-07-22 11:34:14---
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buu441Ain


Posted: 11:37AM Jul 22, 2013

lets get the other letter pairs, we'll definitely make use of your IA somewhere.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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TanCWA


Posted: 11:39AM Jul 22, 2013

buu441 wrote:
and i have ZA

IA
RW
MA
DA
ZA
WI

so far.

i think my ZA forms zambia, if anyone comes up with MB.

6 letter countries hope this link will be helpful.

it gives RW for NORWAY. or RWANDA. MA-PANAMA maybe.

lets see what the others come up with.

edit: list updated.


You missed my AN...


what is sense??and if i am not making sense, then why i say it?? I SAY IT COZ IT MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WHY IT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU????????? sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
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debc1A


Posted: 11:41AM Jul 22, 2013

i have mb

and that did answer my question giz thanks


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mocha613Aus


Posted: 11:43AM Jul 22, 2013

We have heard from half of the people playing the game and have a good start on our countries.

"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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LanceKolaskiAus


Posted: 12:23PM Jul 22, 2013

I have TO, so that makes

ZA
AN
IA
RW
MA
DA
ZA
WI
TO
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freakshow07Aus


Posted: 12:35PM Jul 22, 2013

AN from me

Shoot me I'm probably a wolf. Especially if caberet is the Mod.
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 12:36PM Jul 22, 2013

Lance, are you sure? I'm not seeing any with TO in them... either there is a mistake on this end, or the lists we have are incomplete. I checked countries with two words in the name also.

"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 12:40PM Jul 22, 2013

estonia - 7 letters
Sao Tome and Principe
Equatorial Guinea
Palestinian Territories
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago

There it is... togo.


"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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tukuwakatikiAus


Posted: 02:12PM Jul 22, 2013

I have MB too

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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debc1A


Posted: 02:32PM Jul 22, 2013

21kaldridge21- ia
buu441 - za
debc1 - mb
dfamina
Elios - go
freakshow07 - an
jpost
kmrutledge
KRUGERGIRL14- da
LanceKolaski - to
Limerick
mocha613- ma
Shadows
sonic102
talanpoe
TanCW - an
tukuwakatiki - mb
unctarheel - wi
WittyKitty- rw
Yuffie - ia

ok if i missed someones let me know


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Limerickus


Posted: 02:59PM Jul 22, 2013

SPOILER ALERT: The solution is fully revealed below...



Okay, mine is GA... here is what I have so far...

Known Countries So Far
Togo (Only TO country)
Zambia (Only ZA country)
Gambia (Only GA country except Uganda which does not work as UG would be the pair)
Malawi = Only WI country
Rwanda (Only RW country besides Norway which is eliminated by lack of AY)

Shadows
freakshow07 AN*
TanCW AN
KRUGERGIRL14 DA*
talanpoe
Limerick GA*
kmrutledge
Elios GO*
21kaldridge21 IA*
Yuffie IA*
dfamina LA**
jpost
mocha613 MA*
debc1 MB*
tukuwakatiki MB*
WittyKitty RW*
LanceKolaski TO*
sonic102
unctarheel WI*
buu441 ZA*

* Accounted for in a known country
** Derived by the fact that this letter pair must exist and this is the only place it fits alphabetically (At this point it was needed for Malawi)

Okay, RW countries... Norway = Not Possible due to AY missing; Rwanda = Only remaining

Moving from here... We have an AN unaccounted for...

Also... As far as Shadow's letter.... AA through AM do not have a valid letter pair among all 6 letter countries... thus, Shadows must also have an AN, this is a problem, as all six letters with AN have been eliminated...

Of the 6 letter countries with AN...

Angola LA possible
Bhutan No BH possible
Canada No CA possible
France No CE possible
Guyana No GU possible
Jordan No JO possible
Panama No PA possible
Poland No PO possible
Rwanda Already used
Uganda Possible

Continuing the the above derive...

Sonic must have UG as he is the only place this fits alphabetically, talanpoe must have the second DA, we use up Tan's AN
Shadows has Angola's AN, kmr must have the GO, jpost must have the LA...

Shadows AN**
freakshow07 AN*
TanCW AN*
KRUGERGIRL14 DA*
talanpoe DA**
Limerick GA*
kmrutledge GO**
Elios GO*
21kaldridge21 IA*
Yuffie IA*
dfamina LA**
jpost LA**
mocha613 MA*
debc1 MB*
tukuwakatiki MB*
WittyKitty RW*
LanceKolaski TO*
sonic102 UG**
unctarheel WI*
buu441 ZA*

At this point, we are complete...

Country list is as follows (in white text, highlight to view)

1) AN GO LA
2) GA MB IA
3) MA LA WI
4) RW AN DA
5) TO GO
6) UG AN DA
7) ZA MB IA


ETA: Edited for spoiler tags and white text


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mocha613Aus


Posted: 03:08PM Jul 22, 2013

Fantastic work! Are you sure that was the order people joined?

Giz, how many chances do we get to submit?


"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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debc1A


Posted: 03:14PM Jul 22, 2013

gee lime what took you so long??
just kidding


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Gizzer


Posted: 03:15PM Jul 22, 2013

mocha613 wrote:
Giz, how many chances do we get to submit?


As many as you need.


Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
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Limerickus


Posted: 03:17PM Jul 22, 2013

Yeah, pretty sure on the order, plus, it all works. jpost threw me off for a bit because his first post was after yours, but that is only because his initial post was deleted. As far as the order itself, I also compared it versus various comments made such as:



Gizzer wrote:
Edit: Make that one more player! Welcome, unctarheel!


buu441 wrote:
i start off the game, and then you RFM while i am reading the rules. no fair, UNC. gimme the first post


talanpoe wrote:
16 and counting....


freakshow07 wrote:
Whoa we're up to 10 now!!


At all points the quotes agreed with the proposed join order, so, I can say I am pretty confident.
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KRUGERGIRL14Aus


Posted: 03:25PM Jul 22, 2013

wow limerick, great job!!!

*vampscholar*
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freakshow07Aus


Posted: 03:36PM Jul 22, 2013

Holy Moses!! Fantastic work!!

Shoot me I'm probably a wolf. Especially if caberet is the Mod.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 04:02PM Jul 22, 2013

Wow! That is awesome work, Limerick! =D Great job ^_^
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sonic102cin


Posted: 04:12PM Jul 22, 2013

I got UG, Tan's got AN and Krugergirl's got DA! UGANDA!

---This message was edited on 2013-07-22 16:16:46---

Play my game "Alliances"! PM me!
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Limerickus


Posted: 04:13PM Jul 22, 2013

Haha, thanks, Mocha had a pretty good start herself though :p

Now for some strategy talk, I would like to see what people think about voting rights. The wolves also need to earn their right to vote, so, I am not sure we will want to so straightforwardly extend voting rights to all players public ally all the time. As of now, we have our little voting groups as well which we, well, at least I, do not know too much about yet. What do people think regarding the tactics of sharing solutions?

It is at very least an interesting conundrum. I will also have to look through the other games :p

For now my vote will go to the inactive jpost
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sonic102cin


Posted: 04:22PM Jul 22, 2013

Limerick's right, lets axe the inactive.

Play my game "Alliances"! PM me!
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Gizzer


Posted: 04:34PM Jul 22, 2013

Limerick wrote:
What do people think regarding the tactics of sharing solutions?


I have not made a rule against posting the solution within the game. I will leave the pros/cons of this to the players to discuss as a point of strategy.

I will make one request for the remaining rounds.

Please include a SPOILER alert and use white text for such posts. There are people who might like to try and solve the challenges themselves.

Thank you!


Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
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Limerickus


Posted: 04:40PM Jul 22, 2013

I have edited my post to include spoiler tagging and white text on the actual solution just on the off chance that someone still wants to try to work things out. At this point, I rather doubt it, but, figured it wouldn't hurt :p
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Gizzer


Posted: 04:43PM Jul 22, 2013

Thank you Limerick.

Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 04:50PM Jul 22, 2013

SPV for someone other than jpost, just to help make sure everyone gets in their SPVs before he gets too many votes

this isnt where i parked my car
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Limerickus


Posted: 04:53PM Jul 22, 2013

No problem. Also, as a hint for those on mobile devices (like me), who can't highlight white text and see it... If you click on the empty white space, it will select all the text allowing you to copy it. Pasting it in an app like the iPad's built in Notes app will allow you to see the text.
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freakshow07Aus


Posted: 05:11PM Jul 22, 2013

Or you can just hit quote

Shoot me I'm probably a wolf. Especially if caberet is the Mod.
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 05:13PM Jul 22, 2013

Ugh, that sounds horribly inconvenient, Limerick. ;) Good think I'm normally on a computer. But thanks for sharing, as I have found myself in need of that. Another thing you can do is "quote" the person, which copies the formatting and lets you see the formatting and text as plain text.

As for sharing the answer, I think it is an interesting predicament. It depends on how much you trust your group, I guess.


"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 05:18PM Jul 22, 2013

i was going to say we shouldnt share, but i realized that we need to make sure that the seer is able to vote. so while the seer is alive i think it might be best to share everything

this isnt where i parked my car
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ShadowsAca


Posted: 05:22PM Jul 22, 2013

For the record, I do have AN. Great work, Limerick! Be back later, gotta run

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Limerickus


Posted: 05:31PM Jul 22, 2013

No, the seer voting problem is a non-issue. A team who gets the vote gets the option to share to whom they want and one of Gizzer's examples is "the seer's team". So, that part doesn't matter.
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 05:53PM Jul 22, 2013

true, but all the wolves have to do is look at which people are voting every single time, and they could potentially be able to narrow the seer down to one group of 4 (assuming that everyone always grants the seer's team voting rights, as they should)

this isnt where i parked my car
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Limerickus


Posted: 06:30PM Jul 22, 2013

Well, yes, that is true as well. Though, I am thinking the dynamics may be a little more complex than that timing wise too. Remember voting rights can be granted and then revealed later in game. I think there are some interesting ways that could all be used.
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talanpoeAus


Posted: 07:13PM Jul 22, 2013

Late breaking news; but yes, I did have "DA".

Impressive, limerick!!


Unless life also hands you sugar and water, your lemonade is going to suck!
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tukuwakatikiAus


Posted: 07:27PM Jul 22, 2013

I will also vote the inactive. (jpost) And I'm sorry for not being around that much today, and I probably wont be around much tomorrow, but I should be around after that.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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TanCWA


Posted: 11:01PM Jul 22, 2013

I going to vote for the other inactive for now, dfamina, just so that there is a wider spread of votes...

---This message was edited on 2013-07-22 23:03:02---

what is sense??and if i am not making sense, then why i say it?? I SAY IT COZ IT MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WHY IT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU????????? sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kmrutledgetth


Posted: 11:14PM Jul 22, 2013

i am going to vote for jpost, and I got GO. I am very unstable right now so need to go.

The faster I type in my password, the more secret agent-y I feel.
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ShadowsAca


Posted: 11:19PM Jul 22, 2013

Is anything wrong, kmr?

Joining jpost vote. I promise to be more active tomorrow, kind of a busy day today.
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21kaldridge21Aus


Posted: 11:39PM Jul 22, 2013

I will help with the majority.

I'm back
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freakshow07Aus


Posted: 12:11AM Jul 23, 2013

Just checking in. Ill join jpost for now but ill switch if needed

Shoot me I'm probably a wolf. Especially if caberet is the Mod.
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LanceKolaskiAus


Posted: 12:13AM Jul 23, 2013

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon on the first round. Gonna spv for now considering it's too early to tell anything.
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buu441Ain


Posted: 12:39AM Jul 23, 2013

oh damn. you got there before me. since am not into revenge votes, i'll join the majority then...

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
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unctarheelAus


Posted: 12:51AM Jul 23, 2013

make sure everyone gets their SPV votes in before someone ends the round

this isnt where i parked my car
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mocha613Aus


Posted: 01:00AM Jul 23, 2013

I am NOT going to vote jpost even though I would be fine with him getting shot being inactive, but not everyone has had a chance to vote. I will also vote for dfamina since he is online but not posting in game. If he becomes active, this might change.

"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
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dfamina


Posted: 02:24AM Jul 23, 2013

I apologize, everyone. I am here, caught up, amazed and horrified that Limerick knew what my letters were, and casting my vote on jpost.

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TanCWA


Posted: 02:55AM Jul 23, 2013

9 votes for jpost, 16 votes cast.

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what is sense??and if i am not making sense, then why i say it?? I SAY IT COZ IT MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WHY IT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU????????? sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dfamina


Posted: 03:00AM Jul 23, 2013

9*. Silly me, I forgot to cast my vote earlier.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 08:19AM Jul 23, 2013

I'll SPV for WittyKitty to give everyone a chance to come on but I'm all for getting rid of inactives (I don't think we'll need my vote on JPost, but I'll try to keep checking in throughout the day, just in case).
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EliosAus


Posted: 08:49AM Jul 23, 2013

Super-excellent work, Limerick! Thank you!

With a solid majority of votes on jpost, I think I might just leave my vote on myself for this round. Like others, I don't want to end the round before we've all had the chance to vote.


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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TanCWA


Posted: 08:54AM Jul 23, 2013

17 vote cast, 9 votes for jpost... The next 2 people who haven't vote could just cast votes for jpost if they want to end early...

what is sense??and if i am not making sense, then why i say it?? I SAY IT COZ IT MAKE SENSE TO ME BUT WHY IT DON'T MAKE SENSE TO YOU????????? sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
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debc1A


Posted: 09:20AM Jul 23, 2013

morning

will vote j


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kmrutledgetth


Posted: 09:37AM Jul 23, 2013

Shadows wrote:
Is anything wrong, kmr?

Joining jpost vote. I promise to be more active tomorrow, kind of a busy day today.

Sort of just a little emotionally unstable.


The faster I type in my password, the more secret agent-y I feel.
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YuffieAus


Posted: 11:29AM Jul 23, 2013

TanCW wrote:
The next 2 people who haven't vote could just cast votes for jpost if they want to end early...


With 12hrs left to go, I think that sounds like a great idea ^_^ Wait... we have 18 votes and JPost is the inactive who we're all voting for so... I'll switch my vote now, so that when WittyBitty does come on, she'll end the round ^_^

kmrutledge wrote:
Sort of just a little emotionally unstable.


Most of us have been there (I know I have) - I hope you feel better soon
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Gizzer


Posted: 11:39AM Jul 23, 2013

Round 1 Challenge
Where in the World?

Countries

1) AN GO LA
2) GA MB IA
3) MA LA WI
4) RW AN DA
5) TO GO
6) UG AN DA
7) ZA MB IA


All players earned the right to vote - even jpost, who was human.

While the wolves are out hunting tonight, players can work on the next challenge, in order to earn the right to vote next round!



Round 2 Challenge
A Simple Question

What's squared away on a summer's day when somebody joined Braingle?


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