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The Werewolf Game #2945

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #2

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  

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JayoAie


Posted: 05:27PM Jul 15, 2013

Thanks Jayo!

Nothing really to report right now, but please take a look at the last post of Round 1 for a clarification of some of the rules as requested in one of the boxes.

And one last piece of business before we continue with our game: A Very Special Award for SIRHAR as our first player shot in the game. Please accept this token as our way saying "Thanks for coming out"!


There ya go Har - your very first Participant Award - Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?


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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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JayoAie


Posted: 05:28PM Jul 15, 2013

Voting Sader at this stage and a thank you to the wolves for not letting night drag out!

Sader was the only one to not vote last round and was as deserving of a bullet as Har in my book


Subject to change I guess, but I'm happy to go for a non-voter


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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StewieGriffinie


Posted: 05:39PM Jul 15, 2013

Well, I do agree that if your not going b0 vote, then what's the point in playing.

I can understand if it's you first game but other than that, well there is not really any excuse for it.

I had a quick luck and noticed he has only played 4 games in 2 and a half years, so I'm going to let it slide for now, but I am keeping my eye on him. I also wonder why the wolves chose to take out boo? I would check, but I am too tired to look into it right now.

I shall also hold off voting until later, as peer usual.

So until the morning.

Stewie


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Did you know: that the ocean holds nearly 20 million tons of gold but most of it is diluted. Each liter of seawater contains about 13 billionths of a gram. So there is enough gold on the sea floor to put 9 pounds in every pocket on Earth.
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  Post from HABS2933 deleted on 2013-07-15 17:53:41.
Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 06:16PM Jul 15, 2013

Votin for scrubb at the moment

Edit to add....nice award


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:36PM Jul 15, 2013

LOL I thought you'd like it LH - I did it right after we had the discussion about them, just left the date blank until I was ready to post it.

Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 07:53PM Jul 15, 2013

Voting LH for now, probably will change once other people contribute and say their votes!
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21kaldridge21Aus


Posted: 10:59PM Jul 15, 2013

Spv for tonight

I'm back
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scrub88it


Posted: 11:03PM Jul 15, 2013

I will SPV for now as well. Voting Skybet. No reason
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 11:12PM Jul 15, 2013

SPV for deb. No suspects at this point.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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Kaippertus


Posted: 11:59PM Jul 15, 2013

Putting in an SPV but will check back later.
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  Post from Drummajor2319 deleted on 2013-07-16 05:49:55.
Skybet*gb


Posted: 02:03AM Jul 16, 2013

SPV back tonight.

We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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faheem1Apk


Posted: 02:35AM Jul 16, 2013

SPV for now. would change later

Follow me on Twitter/Instagram: fahmed92, or add me on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/f.ahmed92
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StewieGriffinie


Posted: 02:46AM Jul 16, 2013

Still nothing to go on, well poop, Though it's still early days, these SPV's while helping the seer, are not getting us anywhere closer to finding the wolves. Though with no leads, it's tough.

I guess I will join the SPV's for now, unless something more suspicious comes up, then I may reconsider.

Stewie.


Did you know: that the ocean holds nearly 20 million tons of gold but most of it is diluted. Each liter of seawater contains about 13 billionths of a gram. So there is enough gold on the sea floor to put 9 pounds in every pocket on Earth.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:00AM Jul 16, 2013

OMG - I am sorry, I accidentally deleted Drum's post above. Sorry Drummajor!


I backed up a few pages to see if I could at least find what it said and here is her post:




Posted: 014AM Jul 16, 2013 Quote Edit Post Delete
Spv also. Nothing much to go on yet.

EDIT: I felt like clarifying this after last round. I'm a "she" not a "he." Haha.


Just to help on the last point (which is an issue a lot of times:


HABS2933
21kaldridge21
debc1
Drummajor2319
Fleetwood__38
Kaipper
Longhorn_fan
sader2011
snowmonster


StewieGriffin
SirHar
buu441
faheem1
Jayo
scrub88
Skybet


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Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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debc1A


Posted: 07:27AM Jul 16, 2013

i am here
at work
will vote for someone
but is subject to change


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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 08:06AM Jul 16, 2013

My vote remains the same. Everyone SPV's... including myself
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JayoAie


Posted: 08:10AM Jul 16, 2013

Just under 9 hours left in the round and we have 3 non voters:

Day
It takes 7 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

21kaldridge21 voted for faheem1
debc1 voted for 21kaldridge21
Drummajor2319 voted for StewieGriffin
faheem1 voted for Fleetwood__38
Fleetwood__38 voted for Longhorn_fan
Jayo voted for sader2011
Kaipper voted for debc1
Longhorn_fan voted for scrub88
Skybet voted for Jayo
StewieGriffin voted for Skybet

Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.

Would suggest switching to one of them rather than simply SPV-ing

My vote is already on a non voter but I could switch to another non voter if we still have a MoO when I get home from work


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 08:57AM Jul 16, 2013

I am not even going to bothr with a non voter this go arround. The night did NOT time out so there is no need to vote someone who is "inactive" at this point IMO......

I am kinda wondering about Stewie......AND also I did not like Scrub's post about Drum last round.....It was just odd to me, that is just my thoughts.

Stewie just has some strange wording in his posts that have me wondering...espically the last one regarding the SPV helping the seer but not helping us find the wolves. That is a given at this point in the game and I find in my previous experience that wolves tend to make comments about the wolves more often than humans do in early rounds.


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StewieGriffinie


Posted: 09:07AM Jul 16, 2013

True Longhorn.

The only reason I stated it, is for the new and inexperienced players, like sader and kaipper Drum and haheem. It's a given to all experienced players, but might not be if your just starting to learn the ropes.

Steiwe.


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Did you know: that the ocean holds nearly 20 million tons of gold but most of it is diluted. Each liter of seawater contains about 13 billionths of a gram. So there is enough gold on the sea floor to put 9 pounds in every pocket on Earth.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 09:42AM Jul 16, 2013

Interesting you place Kaiper in the inexperienced list as he has played more than 20 games of WWG. Faheem and sader have both played sevaral games as well but both have an inactive history, espically faheem. The only tru noob is Drum........

I wonder???


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 09:59AM Jul 16, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
Kaiper in the inexperienced list as he has


OOPS! Is Kaiper male? I have him listed as female in my gender split list. Guess I'll ha veto fix that!


Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:02AM Jul 16, 2013

My apologies, I first stated an SPV for Deb, but forgot to lock in my vote. Since she now has another vote, I am placing an SPV for someone that has no vote, and that is Drummajor.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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scrub88it


Posted: 10:05AM Jul 16, 2013

I did not save my vote. So I will vote for someone without one still since stewie grabbed my stated intention.
you and I are both off, snow. I will change my vote since you posted first.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 10:07AM Jul 16, 2013

MMMNNN....And now Snow and Scrubb have both stated they forgot to vote and have now come in with-in 3 minutes of one another and have voted the same parson???

Yes...My vote will stay on Scrubb


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 10:08AM Jul 16, 2013

Day
It takes 7 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

21kaldridge21 voted for faheem1
debc1 voted for 21kaldridge21
Drummajor2319 voted for StewieGriffin
faheem1 voted for Fleetwood__38
Fleetwood__38 voted for Longhorn_fan
Jayo voted for sader2011
Kaipper voted for debc1
Longhorn_fan voted for scrub88
scrub88 voted for Drummajor2319
Skybet voted for Jayo
snowmonster voted for Drummajor2319
StewieGriffin voted for Skybet

Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet

_____
Notice the difference in the voting lists Jayo and I posted......Why the majority??
Scrubb and Stew are wolves.


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scrub88it


Posted: 10:14AM Jul 16, 2013

It was a coincidence in timing LH. Snow first post came on while I was Still typing mine. I have adjusted my vote. More importantly, everyone has voted except Sader. Time to start making decisions.

longhorn, you askede last round why I thought drummajor was probably human. My analysis was wrong for this game. The talkboxes allow is to protect our known friends, so you could have humans voting voting to save players too.

For this round, I am suspicious of Jayo for casting a vote on Sader


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JayoAie


Posted: 11:11AM Jul 16, 2013

scrub88 wrote:
More importantly, everyone has voted except Sader. Time to start making decisions.



For this round, I am suspicious of Jayo for casting a vote on Sader



So me voting for the only player not helping the Seer makes me suspicious?
OK Scrub


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 11:24AM Jul 16, 2013

Just checking in and saying I am still here
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:32AM Jul 16, 2013

scrub88 wrote:
More importantly, everyone has voted except Sader. Time to start making decisions.


For this round, I am suspicious of Jayo for casting a vote on Sader

Does anyone else find this unusual??

scrub88 wrote:
longhorn, you askede last round why I thought drummajor was probably human. My analysis was wrong for this game. The talkboxes allow is to protect our known friends, so you could have humans voting voting to save players too.


Also.....Could you please explain what you mean by this statement?

I think I see what you are saying, but I know for a fact that you are not being truthful in this statement if you are saying what I think you are saying


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debc1A


Posted: 11:32AM Jul 16, 2013

everytime i think stewie is supucious is when he is the seer
he hasn't peaked my interest up yet
actually no one really has, but i am willing to change to someone who isn't participating


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 11:47AM Jul 16, 2013

If anyone wants to join me in my Scrub vote I think it would be wise...

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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 11:53AM Jul 16, 2013

What is the suspicion against scrub? Did I miss something?
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scrub88it


Posted: 11:59AM Jul 16, 2013

There are now two votes on sader, the only player to be cleared. Night did not time out. He did not log until well after this round began. I am voting to protect sader - and yes, I am casting a second vote on Jayo.
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StewieGriffinie


Posted: 12:31PM Jul 16, 2013

I don't think Jayo is a wolf, I can see where he is suspicious, but I just don't get the wolf vibes from him. But do I change my vote to protect him if he does end up being a wolf, it's an awkward one.

You get this every game, the situation where you have the choice of shooting a clear who is inactive and not contributing to the game, or the potentially helpful in later rounds human(if he is human).

I will leave my vote where it is. But if Jayo ends up shot and a human, well, Let's just say it will make an interesting next round conversation.


Did you know: that the ocean holds nearly 20 million tons of gold but most of it is diluted. Each liter of seawater contains about 13 billionths of a gram. So there is enough gold on the sea floor to put 9 pounds in every pocket on Earth.
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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 12:36PM Jul 16, 2013

My vote for LH started as just a SPV, but later in the round I got suspicious. My vote next round may remain the same as it was this round, but it is more for a reason than SPV.

I don't know why she is so suspicious lately, but she is giving me the vibe that she is WIHC or a regular wolf.

My vote remains for LH.
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scrub88it


Posted: 12:46PM Jul 16, 2013

StewieGriffin wrote:
I don't think Jayo is a wolf, I can see where he is suspicious, but I just don't get the wolf vibes from him. But do I change my vote to protect him if he does end up being a wolf, it's an awkward one.

You get this every game, the situation where you have the choice of shooting a clear who is inactive and not contributing to the game, or the potentially helpful in later rounds human(if he is human).

I will leave my vote where it is. But if Jayo ends up shot and a human, well, Let's just say it will make an interesting next round conversation.


We are not going to know if he is a wolf. We will just know how many are alive after round three. I don't care where we vote - except a cleared human.

Did not mean to ignore you Longhorn,

I have found that if humans get lucky and put a wolf in a majority in round 1, wolves will counter with a second majority. then humans have to decide what to do. If, however, humans are put into majorities, then the wolves do nothing for they don't have to expose themselves. But in this game, it is different. Within each talkbox humans know each other. I would think they would come to each other's protection and create a alternate majority. So it may not be just wolves manipulating what they know about the game. It could be humans.

Last round, when no one stepped forward to create an alternate majority to drummajor, I assumed she was human. But because of the dynamic of the talkboxes, that may not be the case. Humans could have created a separate majority as well as wolves. So I am saying she could have been a wolf because no human chose to come to her defense. Normally I think this is highly unlikely. In other words, my first assumption was wrong. We only know sader is human at this time.


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 12:49PM Jul 16, 2013

Hey guys, sorry really tired today so not going to put a huge amount of considered thought into this. But having read through the round, I think it's fair to put my vote on the only non-voter. For failing to protect the seer. Which is inexcusable.

We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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scrub88it


Posted: 12:58PM Jul 16, 2013

Skybet wrote:
Hey guys, sorry really tired today so not going to put a huge amount of considered thought into this. But having read through the round, I think it's fair to put my vote on the only non-voter. For failing to protect the seer. Which is inexcusable.


Teach him a lesson by not playing with him, not by throwing a round to the wolves. Just vote me instead of him - at least then you will know two of us.
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Kaippertus


Posted: 01:16PM Jul 16, 2013

I'm going to join the majority for sader. We're all just SPVing anyway, let's all benefit from removing an inactive.

HABS2933 wrote:
Longhorn_fan wrote:
Kaiper in the inexperienced list as he has


OOPS! Is Kaiper male? I have him listed as female in my gender split list. Guess I'll ha veto fix that!


I'm actually a girl, haha. And Stewie, this is my 19th WWG, so I know how the rules go.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 01:19PM Jul 16, 2013

Ok Really???

You guys wanna vote for me go ahead but I am telling you that Scrub is Most likly a wolf
Nothing he has posted has come across as being human.
The entire Drum thing is way off. Doe no one even read posts and address them???

Fleet??? You are a wolf too arn't you? LOL I got you guys!!

EDIT: And to vote to shoot someone who is cleared, inactive or not, is just asanine!
The wolves are leading the votes astray from them.

EDIT 2: Thank you for the explination Scrub.

I am VERY LEARY OF THE SADER VOTERS!!!! Why are you voting a cleared player??? Yes, it is a "bad tatic" to use times to clear but none the less it is a fact. An inactive can be detramental in later rounds but this is round 2 and we are going to give it to the wolves.


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:41PM Jul 16, 2013

He logged in yesterday, he is NOT cleared

A player who fails to protect the seer is not at all useful, and is what gives the wolves a narrower choice of seer suspects. Better we shoot them instead of a pot-shot at an active player, than keep a player who isn't planning on participating in. This makes no sense. Where is the proof they AREN'T a wolf? or the WIHC?


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scrub88it


Posted: 01:42PM Jul 16, 2013

Longhorn - thank you forvagreeing with me on sader.

Deb - I am counting on you to change your vote. You know I pay attention to log in times. Don't shoot a human. Make the wolves eat them.
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JayoAie


Posted: 01:42PM Jul 16, 2013

Scrub, I detest the use of log in times (in games I mod, I usually forbid it in the rules of the game)
What is the point of wolves eating quickly of people can be lamely cleared

Long run non voters help wolves and are detremental to Seer

I have no idea exactly when anyone was online so I am not ruling out either you or Saider being a wolf

Whatever his role, Saider is not helping


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 01:47PM Jul 16, 2013

He is not even "cleared" anyway, despite several people's lame tactics. So the point is moot.

We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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scrub88it


Posted: 02:06PM Jul 16, 2013

I use the rules given. In games where we do not talk about it, I don't. I do in games where it is allowed. Since you guys detest it so much, shoot me for using it.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 02:07PM Jul 16, 2013

Ohh look at the tude rubbing off....gee wiz

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Skybet*gb


Posted: 02:16PM Jul 16, 2013

The rules say:
Because of the "online now" list at the bottom of the website, the end of the night round will be delayed by several hours to prevent players from figuring out who the Werewolves are based on who is online when the round ends.

There are already certain measures to stop you from being able to do this as adeptly as some would like. But the game is clearly not supposed to be played by looking at people's profiles and seeing when/how long it's been since they have logged in. This is an external source of information that is not supposed to be used, otherwise this information would be given on the voting page. There is no skill or fun in clicking on people's user pages and eliminating suspects this way. Lively discussion is the way forward for everyone to enjoy the game.


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scrub88it


Posted: 02:18PM Jul 16, 2013

on a lighter note. did anybody else see the play that created the penalty kick in yesterday's El Salvador/Haiti game? The striker should be suspended for what he did on that play!
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StewieGriffinie


Posted: 02:22PM Jul 16, 2013

Kaipper wrote:
Stewie, this is my 19th WWG, so I know how the rules go.


Yeah I am know that now. But I was just having a quidk check at the awards, and Peoples games history, but I misread yours, though I still stand by my statement from earlier in the round.

No scrubb. I can't say that I did.

Until just now when I watched it on youtube. Yeah it was really bad.

that's what'swrong with football, I remember when it was a good honest sport with real rough stars. Now it's turning into a how about Drama queens.


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Did you know: that the ocean holds nearly 20 million tons of gold but most of it is diluted. Each liter of seawater contains about 13 billionths of a gram. So there is enough gold on the sea floor to put 9 pounds in every pocket on Earth.
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scrub88it


Posted: 02:30PM Jul 16, 2013

Skybet wrote:
The rules say:
Because of the "online now" list at the bottom of the website, the end of the night round will be delayed by several hours to prevent players from figuring out who the Werewolves are based on who is online when the round ends.

There are already certain measures to stop you from being able to do this as adeptly as some would like. But the game is clearly not supposed to be played by looking at people's profiles and seeing when/how long it's been since they have logged in. This is an external source of information that is not supposed to be used, otherwise this information would be given on the voting page. There is no skill or fun in clicking on people's user pages and eliminating suspects this way. Lively discussion is the way forward for everyone to enjoy the game.


I hear what you are saying Skybet, but that is not the way it is. Look at last round with Sirhar. Even you used your knowledge of his inactivity to defend the change in your vote. Several players have looked to see how experienced we are. As far as the computer protection rule is concerned, I know of players who use logins of present moments to find wolves. In my last game, Har implored somebody who was on line at the exact same time as him to vote with him. People use these tidbits of knowledge all the time.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 02:35PM Jul 16, 2013

Jayo wrote:
Scrub, I detest the use of log in times


As do I, it is lame. Is that the only way you can clear someone? Put on your big boy pants and thinking cap, and use reason and deduction to come to your conclusions.

in games I mod, I usually forbid it in the rules of the game

I have done so in the past and would have here, but there were so many other "rules" I wanted to endure you knew about, I just plumb forgot. While I discourage log in times as I did not forbid it, I am not changing the rules now, but I know most of the players on here don't like them either.


Q: What is the primary goal? A: To WIN the game.
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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 03:09PM Jul 16, 2013

Wow! Lot's of posts in this game. I guess I will go check out the TB once more.

My vote remains for LH.. I guess it's just an SPV
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scrub88it


Posted: 03:44PM Jul 16, 2013

Stewie - thanks for looking. I like how referees protect the offense more than they used to. There is a problem with flopping. I don't like the idea of allowing protests in situations like this, but I do think a red card after the match might be a way to deal with flopping.
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debc1A


Posted: 03:56PM Jul 16, 2013

log in times the only time i would use them if nights continually clock out, then i go see who hasn't been on in days

but that being said, with the mention of sader being clear not clear talk, i am afraid if we don't get rid of him we will have long nights since he has yet to make an appearance, which really is irritating, come on man show up

so for that reason alone i will keep my vote as is

besides i would much rather play/win/lose with people who want to interact than those who don't


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debc1A


Posted: 04:01PM Jul 16, 2013

my sir har move

scrubs- why are you voting yourself?? whats wrong?? this isn't like you


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scrub88it


Posted: 04:04PM Jul 16, 2013

He is obviously not the LIHC, and if he is the seer he ain't doing us any good. I just hate giving a round to the wolves. Y'all make the call. I will leave my vote where it is too. I am not narcisistic, I just don't see any reason to push any more by trying a different majority. I made my case.
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debc1A


Posted: 04:13PM Jul 16, 2013

ok i know you don't want to shoot a human but do you know who is a wolf for sure?? or just a tad wolfy??

edit

are you mad?? is your mother in law alright?


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Skybet*gb


Posted: 04:31PM Jul 16, 2013

scrub88 wrote:
Look at last round with Sirhar. Even you used your knowledge of his inactivity to defend the change in your vote.

I certainly didn't use log in times to clear/condemn people, I voted for a non-voter, which is vastly different.


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