The Werewolf Game
Game #2969: Simple Werewolf Game
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Deb was HUMAN but you lost your Seer. It is up to you do figure out who was the seer, deb or bradon. . . . .
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Deb was HUMAN but you lost your Seer. It is up to you do figure out who was the seer, deb or bradon. . . . .
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Waiting for snowy... Great day to be on guam.. It's pouring buckets... There's actually a flash flood warning until 7pm. Terrible to drive in.
Well if Deb is a wolf, the last one chose a weird time to finally get rid of Bradon considering she had all but rescinded her Deb 'hunch' Considering the wolves have to be hunting the seer at this point, Longhorn is a good possibility...but will SPV and wait for Snow
well....Snow just made her edit
Weird
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Was surprised not only to see that the round had started already (another short night). Was equally surprised to see that Guam had survived the previous round. I got offline shortly after casting my vote for her and had expected her demise.
Still 2 wolves and no seer. Since I am not working until 6pm (and then only for about 2 hrs) I will have a chance to come back and check things out more this round.
For now, I will cast a tentative vote for Chang, which will likely change once I have gone back and reread the previous rounds to see who was more likely the seer and what she had to say that may be useful to us.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Still 2 wolves and no seer. Since I am not working until 6pm (and then only for about 2 hrs) I will have a chance to come back and check things out more this round.
For now, I will cast a tentative vote for Chang, which will likely change once I have gone back and reread the previous rounds to see who was more likely the seer and what she had to say that may be useful to us.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Round 1 - Bradon voted for Deb (her "usual suspect").
Deb (randomly) voted for Bradon.
Mostly idle chit-chat in the discussion.
Round 2 - Bradon and Deb again voted for each other.
neither said much in the game.
Round 3 - Bradon voted for Deb again, Deb voted for me.
Bradon didn't say anything that stuck out to me but this post by Deb may be noteworthy:
Perhaps she had divined guam the night before and was telling us that guam is human ...
Round 4 - Bradon voted for LH, and Deb voted for Jayo.
If pressed, I'd say Deb was our seer. IF Bradon was the seer and was as worried about Deb as she seemed to be, she would have divined her at some point, instead of constantly voting for her.
Unfortunately, neither said much (as far as I can see) that will help us in finding a wolf. Other than the above post which I guess could "clear" Guam.
Of note is also the fact that Deb changed her vote from me (who she suspected) to Jayo. Does that mean he was divined?
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Deb (randomly) voted for Bradon.
Mostly idle chit-chat in the discussion.
Round 2 - Bradon and Deb again voted for each other.
neither said much in the game.
Round 3 - Bradon voted for Deb again, Deb voted for me.
Bradon didn't say anything that stuck out to me but this post by Deb may be noteworthy:
i don't know why i am voting for guam
i really don't think she is a wolf
i really don't think she is a wolf
Perhaps she had divined guam the night before and was telling us that guam is human ...
Round 4 - Bradon voted for LH, and Deb voted for Jayo.
If pressed, I'd say Deb was our seer. IF Bradon was the seer and was as worried about Deb as she seemed to be, she would have divined her at some point, instead of constantly voting for her.
Unfortunately, neither said much (as far as I can see) that will help us in finding a wolf. Other than the above post which I guess could "clear" Guam.
Of note is also the fact that Deb changed her vote from me (who she suspected) to Jayo. Does that mean he was divined?
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Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Perhaps...interesting approach if Deb had divined Guam.
Ive been whittling down some pairs, to me Jayo is pretty cleared for the timing of his Nicats vote....Im not really commited to that, its just the 'anchor' to my analysis to help me narrow things down.
With that into account, I think ppjones only partner would be Guam, else why would he vote at 0 mins remaining when one way or the other a human is getting shot (and his vote was for a human). The only reason is Guam was his partner, otherwise its just a strange impulsive vote for a wolf to make. Based on the multiple votes on guam, I dont think she has too many potential partners.
So that would leave me at
Chang
LHF (maybe unlikely based on the round 2 hostility but you never know)
Guam
HABS (probly unlikely)
Guam
LHF
Guam
PP
HABS
LHF
This is just a rough scratch list, Im not offering a money back garantee on any of them at this point
If I were to follow my list as gospel, I could not adovcate a ppjones shooting this round, because we would be much better off shooting guam, as a human guam to me eliminates pp. The only problem is a human guam makes it much lynch and pp has expressed commitment at voting me until the end, and thus, losing the game next round
what you guys thoughts on HABS/LHF?
The best bet is probably a LHF vote especially considering the Bradon eating, what you guys thoughts?
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Ive been whittling down some pairs, to me Jayo is pretty cleared for the timing of his Nicats vote....Im not really commited to that, its just the 'anchor' to my analysis to help me narrow things down.
With that into account, I think ppjones only partner would be Guam, else why would he vote at 0 mins remaining when one way or the other a human is getting shot (and his vote was for a human). The only reason is Guam was his partner, otherwise its just a strange impulsive vote for a wolf to make. Based on the multiple votes on guam, I dont think she has too many potential partners.
So that would leave me at
Chang
LHF (maybe unlikely based on the round 2 hostility but you never know)
Guam
HABS (probly unlikely)
Guam
LHF
Guam
PP
HABS
LHF
This is just a rough scratch list, Im not offering a money back garantee on any of them at this point
If I were to follow my list as gospel, I could not adovcate a ppjones shooting this round, because we would be much better off shooting guam, as a human guam to me eliminates pp. The only problem is a human guam makes it much lynch and pp has expressed commitment at voting me until the end, and thus, losing the game next round
what you guys thoughts on HABS/LHF?
The best bet is probably a LHF vote especially considering the Bradon eating, what you guys thoughts?
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Ah was hoping the Seer would bust this wide open for us, but it's just the solitary mislynch we have now
With the really really fast night, would have thought we were down to one furry, but they were in a hurry to eat Bradon it seems
I won't vote yet, crazy here in work but once I'm home and with a cold Heineken in my hand, I'm sure I'll be better placed to vote
There are a lot of partnerships that I wouldn't rule out - Snow if we are in LYLO next round will you reveal the Seer?
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
With the really really fast night, would have thought we were down to one furry, but they were in a hurry to eat Bradon it seems
I won't vote yet, crazy here in work but once I'm home and with a cold Heineken in my hand, I'm sure I'll be better placed to vote
There are a lot of partnerships that I wouldn't rule out - Snow if we are in LYLO next round will you reveal the Seer?
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Last Yard Line Opposition?
Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love.
Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love.
Lynch or Lose
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
6 of one half dozen of the other
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
OIC. . . . I'll consider it, but remind me. I'm running on about 4 hours of sleep.
Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love.
Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love.
I am leaning more towards 'deb was the seer' situation. Mostly for the reason she posted her list. It was rather vague, but compared to brandon, it at least gives us her opinions of people.
I am a strong pp vote. Especially if I consider the deb was seer vote. That last minute vote could have been a last resort effort to make a power move. He potentially put the seer into a tying majority. And may have helped another wolf (ie. brandon).
I would still like to hear from them, but that's probably my final pairing. A ppjones and brandon couple.
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*rawr*
I am a strong pp vote. Especially if I consider the deb was seer vote. That last minute vote could have been a last resort effort to make a power move. He potentially put the seer into a tying majority. And may have helped another wolf (ie. brandon).
I would still like to hear from them, but that's probably my final pairing. A ppjones and brandon couple.
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*rawr*
snowmonster wrote:
Jayo wrote:
Last Yard Line Opposition?
Jayo wrote:
Lynch or Lose
I was wondering too, glad someone else asked so I didn't have to.
The only pairing I don't like in your analysis Spider is the one that includes me. I assure you, I am not a wolf. I know "just what a wolf would say"
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Check the eating again more closely Chang
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I HATE SCHOOL SO MUCH!!!!
But I love it -.-
I need sleep to function properly, I could never be a dad . Ok, well I will have to rethink that last pairing then... but I stick by my ppjones statement. And the let me rethink that last part.
*rawr*
But I love it -.-
I need sleep to function properly, I could never be a dad . Ok, well I will have to rethink that last pairing then... but I stick by my ppjones statement. And the let me rethink that last part.
*rawr*
I think we may be in agreement, in which ppjones may have acted to save a wolf last round, in which case it was most likely guamgirl (almost certainly if those were his motives) otherwise, why get himself tangled in a mess he had no need to do. The only other angle is he was sure enough about Deb being seer (if she even is) he felt he had to take the risk...but thats a longshot. Thats why I think guam is a better shot, if she is human it erases his only motive for the Deb vote, and imo probably means he's human too....Thus shooting guam can give us a 2 for 1 ID package
just my opinion though
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
just my opinion though
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Are we sure brandon isn't dead? Although it would be rude to bring her back to life just to kill her again... Well if that's the case, I need to rethink. I lean more towards pp based on my comments last round. And just the fact that he was the one that made the risky move to change the vote in a different direction. I've got class in a few, but will be back later in the afternoon (4-5 hours from now)
*rawr*
*rawr*
You guys vote to shoot me and it will be a fatal human mistake.
I am not paired with anyone as a wolf, just a few humans, although I am not quite sure who they are.
I find it strange that Bradon was eaten given her suspicion by a few players still in the game.
I am begining to think HABS might be furry but also concerned about Chang. He is doing his usuall no vote, vote for myself, can't deceide......IDK.
I am also still worried about Guam and the nights are just coenciding on Guam so that is where my vote will go this round.
Shooting Deb last round had no merrit to it what so ever so I am a bit concerned about her voters.
Like what you love, and love what you got.
I am not paired with anyone as a wolf, just a few humans, although I am not quite sure who they are.
I find it strange that Bradon was eaten given her suspicion by a few players still in the game.
I am begining to think HABS might be furry but also concerned about Chang. He is doing his usuall no vote, vote for myself, can't deceide......IDK.
I am also still worried about Guam and the nights are just coenciding on Guam so that is where my vote will go this round.
Shooting Deb last round had no merrit to it what so ever so I am a bit concerned about her voters.
Like what you love, and love what you got.
I have to say this game has been thoroughly entertaining as my first game in awhile.
I can't understand how you two can play puppet master each round and no one calls you out on it. You both had votes for Brandon, which I did not agree with, and I had an opportunity to put someone I was uncertain about at risk and it worked, though they were human. If I did nothing, we may still have shot human.
Fact of the matter is, I voted Deb, you two vote brandon and guess what, we were all wrong. But please make this all about me.....
What do I have to do to start a Spider party? I feel like I want people to choose Spider or me this round, would that do the trick?
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
I can't understand how you two can play puppet master each round and no one calls you out on it. You both had votes for Brandon, which I did not agree with, and I had an opportunity to put someone I was uncertain about at risk and it worked, though they were human. If I did nothing, we may still have shot human.
Fact of the matter is, I voted Deb, you two vote brandon and guess what, we were all wrong. But please make this all about me.....
What do I have to do to start a Spider party? I feel like I want people to choose Spider or me this round, would that do the trick?
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Wow, your response has nothing to do with what I wrote, your the only one bringing "you" into the mix. You made a 0 minute vote, I explained a possible motive was to save guam. That's called analysis, deal with it
pp is just gonna charge bullheaded into the next round with a vote for me which will cost us the game (unless he is a wolf) so I have to evaluate shooting him now, even though I dont believe its the optimal play. If the mob forms on me next round and we lose, I can deal with that, but there's nothing more potentially deadly than a late game "vendetta" voter
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
pp is just gonna charge bullheaded into the next round with a vote for me which will cost us the game (unless he is a wolf) so I have to evaluate shooting him now, even though I dont believe its the optimal play. If the mob forms on me next round and we lose, I can deal with that, but there's nothing more potentially deadly than a late game "vendetta" voter
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
No, I said I didn't believe Brandon was a wolf, which is who you voted for, and Deb was on my list of possible wolves, so I threw Deb in the mix and let the computer decide between the three. I got Deb shot and I was wrong. If you got your wish, which you sort of did, since she was eaten, and you were wrong.
Anyone who wants to go back and look will see I wanted you shot a couple rounds ago, but that has turned into a "late game" vendetta? Once again...comical.
Edit: Your near sighted analysis is hilarious. Why wasn't my vote to save brandon?
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The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Anyone who wants to go back and look will see I wanted you shot a couple rounds ago, but that has turned into a "late game" vendetta? Once again...comical.
Edit: Your near sighted analysis is hilarious. Why wasn't my vote to save brandon?
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The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Here is my "Har list"
I have said from the beginning I don't think PP is a wolf but as I have never (at least not that I recall) played with him, I am unfamiliar with his style. I also think Deb was trying to tell us something about Guam when she stated she didn't know why she was voting for her when she did not think she was a wolf.
I think I will change my vote to Spider to tie things up (at least for now). I don't think LH is a wolf, thought she has fooled me plenty in the past.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
One of Chang, Spider or Jayo is a wolf "Turst me on this one."
I have said from the beginning I don't think PP is a wolf but as I have never (at least not that I recall) played with him, I am unfamiliar with his style. I also think Deb was trying to tell us something about Guam when she stated she didn't know why she was voting for her when she did not think she was a wolf.
I think I will change my vote to Spider to tie things up (at least for now). I don't think LH is a wolf, thought she has fooled me plenty in the past.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I voted Bradon as a 'compromise' to Chang and a few other people were leaning that way. For someone talking about how 'hilarious' my analysis is, you seem to have a great deal of difficulty understanding it.
You made a last second vote, which I find to be uncharacteristic of wolf play. With humans tied, wolves tend to have little interest in which human dies, so you typically dont see a wolf put down a new majority with 0 minutes left UNLESS they are acting to save a partner. Now, this is the tough part, actually read my analysis.....I ruled you out as a wolf, WITH THE EXCEPTION of Guam being a wolf. What's not to get?! One possible interpretation of your actions (the only one that would make you a wolf) is if Guam was one. Never said it was the only possibility. As now its obvious any 'protection' of Bradon would be human motivated (now that we know she is human) any analysis of that is irrelevant. Before you call things hilarious you should try to actually understand whats being written (you also misinterpreted what I meant by late game vendetta but I dont really care to be honest)
You seem to have imagined some grevious attack from me against your ego when I havent even criticized you for your vote. What's most comical is you treating my analysis as an attack, but with one single exception, it completely exonerates you
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
You made a last second vote, which I find to be uncharacteristic of wolf play. With humans tied, wolves tend to have little interest in which human dies, so you typically dont see a wolf put down a new majority with 0 minutes left UNLESS they are acting to save a partner. Now, this is the tough part, actually read my analysis.....I ruled you out as a wolf, WITH THE EXCEPTION of Guam being a wolf. What's not to get?! One possible interpretation of your actions (the only one that would make you a wolf) is if Guam was one. Never said it was the only possibility. As now its obvious any 'protection' of Bradon would be human motivated (now that we know she is human) any analysis of that is irrelevant. Before you call things hilarious you should try to actually understand whats being written (you also misinterpreted what I meant by late game vendetta but I dont really care to be honest)
You seem to have imagined some grevious attack from me against your ego when I havent even criticized you for your vote. What's most comical is you treating my analysis as an attack, but with one single exception, it completely exonerates you
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Why is that funny? In all your games, you have never experienced wolves joining a majority just to say, "I voted for a wolf, I voted for a wolf". Not just this WWG, but any of them.
I don't want you to get mad, I am just having fun, but in the hours of "decisive" decisions and this late in the game, we should forego compromises and actually try to shoot someone we think is a wolf. That's what I am trying to do.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
I don't want you to get mad, I am just having fun, but in the hours of "decisive" decisions and this late in the game, we should forego compromises and actually try to shoot someone we think is a wolf. That's what I am trying to do.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Well I just edited out what you responded to, so I apologize for it not being sensical now.
Yes, I have seen it plenty, but thats not a full case. That's just a mere possibility, without another peice of evidence theres hardly anything to conclude from it. If you really think I'm a wolf, I can deal with that, but you've stated no other reason than my round 2 vote.
I grant that you can discredit my vote for Nicats as evidence I'm human, but nixing evidence that Im human is not the same as presenting evidence I'm a wolf
and for the record, I was pretty sure I switched my vote over to nicats before Chang, buts possible I didnt see it...don't know about Chang, dont think he's a wolf, but finding it hard to narrow down to anyone else so posible
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Yes, I have seen it plenty, but thats not a full case. That's just a mere possibility, without another peice of evidence theres hardly anything to conclude from it. If you really think I'm a wolf, I can deal with that, but you've stated no other reason than my round 2 vote.
I grant that you can discredit my vote for Nicats as evidence I'm human, but nixing evidence that Im human is not the same as presenting evidence I'm a wolf
and for the record, I was pretty sure I switched my vote over to nicats before Chang, buts possible I didnt see it...don't know about Chang, dont think he's a wolf, but finding it hard to narrow down to anyone else so posible
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I have no choice atm, as i cant force guamgirl to vote me
changhill voted for ppjones
HABS2933 voted for The_Spider
Longhorn_fan voted for guamgirl2
ppjones voted for The_Spider
The_Spider voted for ppjones
Id still go guam under the right circumstances, but i dont know if shooting anyone other than pp (or me happening to vote for the 2nd wolf and finally changing pp's mind) will save this game if he is human
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
changhill voted for ppjones
HABS2933 voted for The_Spider
Longhorn_fan voted for guamgirl2
ppjones voted for The_Spider
The_Spider voted for ppjones
Id still go guam under the right circumstances, but i dont know if shooting anyone other than pp (or me happening to vote for the 2nd wolf and finally changing pp's mind) will save this game if he is human
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
MMMnn. Interesting bit of back and forth there.
Spider has been in the back of my mind but I am not claiming him furry just yet.
I am not really thinking PP is either.
With the tally as it is and there still being 2 wolves left I really think we need to stop passing the buck back and forth and voting out of retaliation for one another.
I am sticking with my Guam vote as she is the most likey of choices
Like what you love, and love what you got.
Spider has been in the back of my mind but I am not claiming him furry just yet.
I am not really thinking PP is either.
With the tally as it is and there still being 2 wolves left I really think we need to stop passing the buck back and forth and voting out of retaliation for one another.
I am sticking with my Guam vote as she is the most likey of choices
Like what you love, and love what you got.
It has gotten awful quiet...
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
I explained why I am voting the way I am, dont call it retaliation. If a human other than pp or I is not shot this round, ppjones will vote me next round, the wolves will pile on and its over...
if someone would kindly list ONE REASON, other than a vote for Nicats in round 2 (which is typically evidence of being human) to vote me, I'd be on bored to hear you out.
whatever the writing seems on the wall this game, guamgirl is the better vote, so i suppose thats what ill try
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
if someone would kindly list ONE REASON, other than a vote for Nicats in round 2 (which is typically evidence of being human) to vote me, I'd be on bored to hear you out.
whatever the writing seems on the wall this game, guamgirl is the better vote, so i suppose thats what ill try
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Do you really think I am voting for you due to some event related to the Nicats vote?
And by the way, I don't think either of our votes can be classified as "retaliation" (see we just agreed on something...progress).
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
And by the way, I don't think either of our votes can be classified as "retaliation" (see we just agreed on something...progress).
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Than explain it, explaining and discussing votes is the ENTIRE game...and Id be happy to attempt to address it
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Should I let you to finish discussing? Spider has a point. Will guam's identity clear spider whether or not she human or not if yes, under what condition/reasoning?
*rawr*
*rawr*
What I ment by retaliation was the whole " I think he is a wolf so I will vote him, well I think he is a wolf so I will vote him." and the back and forth.
I think Guam will be the most revealing......ALSO she always makes a boo boo when she is a wolf and I am telling you the nights in this game....is her BooBoo
Like what you love, and love what you got.
I think Guam will be the most revealing......ALSO she always makes a boo boo when she is a wolf and I am telling you the nights in this game....is her BooBoo
Like what you love, and love what you got.
changhill wrote:
Guam and Chang, if pressed that's where I would go first. Chang and Habs secondly.
Chang is getting my vote for now and I just think the quoted passage shows an attitude of not really caring too much who gets shot and is preparing the way to leap on someone next round based on the 'arguments or reasonings', paraphrasing from the above quote.
Guam could well have been responsible for the long night but might have been an intentional time-out / late vote
I can honestly see Chang night voting to eat the ppjones voters, and I wouldn't essentially rule out PP being his partner.
I think shooting Chang will tell us the most but that is just my opinion
If Chang is human then I would need to do a complete rethink.
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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Should I let you to finish discussing? Spider has a point. Will guam's identity clear spider whether or not she human or not if yes, under what condition/reasoning?
Guam and Chang, if pressed that's where I would go first. Chang and Habs secondly.
Chang is getting my vote for now and I just think the quoted passage shows an attitude of not really caring too much who gets shot and is preparing the way to leap on someone next round based on the 'arguments or reasonings', paraphrasing from the above quote.
Guam could well have been responsible for the long night but might have been an intentional time-out / late vote
I can honestly see Chang night voting to eat the ppjones voters, and I wouldn't essentially rule out PP being his partner.
I think shooting Chang will tell us the most but that is just my opinion
If Chang is human then I would need to do a complete rethink.
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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
No need to CAP me...
First let me state that I am not sure how you are going to address my opinions, which is all that they are right now. The only person who knows 100% peoples identities is the Mod, Wolves, and the Seer (after each divine) but you know this, I am not telling you anything you don't already know.
So originally, I looked at You, Skybet, and Chang due to you three jumping in a Nicats vote inthe "decisive" hours of round 2. Not that I suspected you, but that early in the game I decided to pay each of you more attention.
In the following round, not sure how to say this without sounding harsh, but I didnt believe you and your posts related to why Skybet voted in the fashion that he did. You voting for me, than him, then he felt the need to vote for Nicats to save himself, then you voted for Nicats....I just all seemed BS.
This were the fun begins:
So in round four, you posted that Brandon (I know I am spelling her name wrong) was the seer and she divined Deb, then voted for Brandon, then the next round stated that Deb was the seer (you sure have a lot of insight on this game).
And now, you are asking me to vote for Gaum, who Nicats voted for in round 2. Now I have played enough of these games to know that wolves vote for wolves and I have personally led attacks against a wolf in round 1, just to win a game. I have had the same thing done to me.
I don't think Nicats put in a SPV for another wolf, though it is possible. Of all the players in the game, you stand out to me. Maybe because I put you in a spotlight in round 2 and have not been paying attention to others.
If you are shot and we lose because I was bull-headed and had a human shot, I can live with that.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
First let me state that I am not sure how you are going to address my opinions, which is all that they are right now. The only person who knows 100% peoples identities is the Mod, Wolves, and the Seer (after each divine) but you know this, I am not telling you anything you don't already know.
So originally, I looked at You, Skybet, and Chang due to you three jumping in a Nicats vote inthe "decisive" hours of round 2. Not that I suspected you, but that early in the game I decided to pay each of you more attention.
In the following round, not sure how to say this without sounding harsh, but I didnt believe you and your posts related to why Skybet voted in the fashion that he did. You voting for me, than him, then he felt the need to vote for Nicats to save himself, then you voted for Nicats....I just all seemed BS.
This were the fun begins:
So in round four, you posted that Brandon (I know I am spelling her name wrong) was the seer and she divined Deb, then voted for Brandon, then the next round stated that Deb was the seer (you sure have a lot of insight on this game).
And now, you are asking me to vote for Gaum, who Nicats voted for in round 2. Now I have played enough of these games to know that wolves vote for wolves and I have personally led attacks against a wolf in round 1, just to win a game. I have had the same thing done to me.
I don't think Nicats put in a SPV for another wolf, though it is possible. Of all the players in the game, you stand out to me. Maybe because I put you in a spotlight in round 2 and have not been paying attention to others.
If you are shot and we lose because I was bull-headed and had a human shot, I can live with that.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Just settling in, ill go through the game as promised, but some of these things seem very easy to address, the others ill have to read a little more closely on
You really seem to have a hard time differentiating between my opinions and things I say as hypotheticals/possibilities...which is a bit interesting after you called me out for the difference between "your case" and "your opinion" back in Round 3.
There's nothing mysterious at all about Skybet's vote. I'm not sure why you think there is foul play at work when no one else has disputed the general occurance of the round. It was 2-2, Skybet placed a third vote on Nicats as he was protecting himself (perfectly normal...I was one of the Sky votes). I remember I had just checked the game and I was a bit surprised that Cats had three votes on her, soon after I voted her to make it 4-1, thats why Im not sure Chang really did vote in front of me, I remember clearly seeing 3 votes on nicats (but perhaps I simply missed it..I don't know) Again, I really have no idea whats troubling you here....its as straight forward as it gets...Skybet came on late and voted (thus destroying my motivation for voting him)...I don't get why this is so hard for you to accept?!
I said (and alluded to this as early as Rd 3) that we would likely get Debs ID in the night. I had thought Bradon divined her and would be eaten, thus proving Deb likely a wolf. That didnt happen, instead Bradon became more and more convinced of Deb's humanity, naturally I no longer thought Bradon was seer (or no longer had substantial reason to believe so).
Lastly, Dont think I ever said Deb is the seer flat out, so no, thats something you pulled from the ether.
Im not asking you to vote Guam, Ive accepted that I have to get you shot or have to hope guam is a wolf, otherwise, unless the wolves (foolishly) eat you to frame me, they are on easy street.
I would consider a chang vote, but I feel like thats more out of paranoia than good analysis....but its possible
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
You really seem to have a hard time differentiating between my opinions and things I say as hypotheticals/possibilities...which is a bit interesting after you called me out for the difference between "your case" and "your opinion" back in Round 3.
There's nothing mysterious at all about Skybet's vote. I'm not sure why you think there is foul play at work when no one else has disputed the general occurance of the round. It was 2-2, Skybet placed a third vote on Nicats as he was protecting himself (perfectly normal...I was one of the Sky votes). I remember I had just checked the game and I was a bit surprised that Cats had three votes on her, soon after I voted her to make it 4-1, thats why Im not sure Chang really did vote in front of me, I remember clearly seeing 3 votes on nicats (but perhaps I simply missed it..I don't know) Again, I really have no idea whats troubling you here....its as straight forward as it gets...Skybet came on late and voted (thus destroying my motivation for voting him)...I don't get why this is so hard for you to accept?!
I said (and alluded to this as early as Rd 3) that we would likely get Debs ID in the night. I had thought Bradon divined her and would be eaten, thus proving Deb likely a wolf. That didnt happen, instead Bradon became more and more convinced of Deb's humanity, naturally I no longer thought Bradon was seer (or no longer had substantial reason to believe so).
Lastly, Dont think I ever said Deb is the seer flat out, so no, thats something you pulled from the ether.
Im not asking you to vote Guam, Ive accepted that I have to get you shot or have to hope guam is a wolf, otherwise, unless the wolves (foolishly) eat you to frame me, they are on easy street.
I would consider a chang vote, but I feel like thats more out of paranoia than good analysis....but its possible
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
(1) All I was stating is that these are my opinions, as opposed to hard evidence.
(2) I am not having a hard time accepting it, I just don't have any proof that you did vote for Skybet. Why is that difficult for you to understand? I know you voted for Gaum and I know your final vote was for Nicats.
All I have is a comment from Skybet that says:
I read that as, "I am joining you in a vote for Nicats", not "why are you voting for me, I must save myself". You can continue to focus on this but I have my mind made up and there is nothing tangible to prove either of us is correct.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
(2) I am not having a hard time accepting it, I just don't have any proof that you did vote for Skybet. Why is that difficult for you to understand? I know you voted for Gaum and I know your final vote was for Nicats.
All I have is a comment from Skybet that says:
Pfft move over spidey.
Nicats gets my vote.
Nicats gets my vote.
I read that as, "I am joining you in a vote for Nicats", not "why are you voting for me, I must save myself". You can continue to focus on this but I have my mind made up and there is nothing tangible to prove either of us is correct.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Considering right before that was my "looks like sky's limit" post and then Sky directly referencing me....it seems pretty arbitrary not to believe it..
To each his own I guess, but seems way over the top cynical and paranoid to not believe it its the most elaborate pointless charade imaginable. However, now that you have referenced Round 2 i see nicats would have been the 2nd vote on guamgirl (me being first) which makes it far less likely she would have voted her.......I might go Chang.....just cause nothing else really makes sense, but I dont know yet
I wont focus on it anymore if you've made up your mind, but im sorry, its a really really really strange thing to base your entire theory on.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
To each his own I guess, but seems way over the top cynical and paranoid to not believe it its the most elaborate pointless charade imaginable. However, now that you have referenced Round 2 i see nicats would have been the 2nd vote on guamgirl (me being first) which makes it far less likely she would have voted her.......I might go Chang.....just cause nothing else really makes sense, but I dont know yet
I wont focus on it anymore if you've made up your mind, but im sorry, its a really really really strange thing to base your entire theory on.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Went over to Chang...I really have no idea what to do at this point, sorry if Im wrong Chang....but Ill vote pp if I have to or go back to guamgirl if needed
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I will give you the benefit of the doubt...one time.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
@jayo, that post isn't me showing that I don't care who get shot, I probably care more than most. I couldn't join the guam vote, just to have guam tie up with spider again. So we talk it out.
But one issue at hand is pp jones voting constantly for spider. We can't have that going into the final rounds. That just something that needs to be addressed and it was. I still don't have an answer from pp, but looking more favorable than last round and from the start of this round.
And like I said last round. If the wolves are intentionally eating ppjones, that's stupid. Why sacrifice finding the seer, to frame one person. That's an ok strategy if the seer is gone, but if I am down a wolf round two, I am not gonna waste my time framing one person.
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*rawr*
But one issue at hand is pp jones voting constantly for spider. We can't have that going into the final rounds. That just something that needs to be addressed and it was. I still don't have an answer from pp, but looking more favorable than last round and from the start of this round.
And like I said last round. If the wolves are intentionally eating ppjones, that's stupid. Why sacrifice finding the seer, to frame one person. That's an ok strategy if the seer is gone, but if I am down a wolf round two, I am not gonna waste my time framing one person.
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*rawr*
I think Gaum is human, and her demise will not clear any other players in my mind.
Unless you had another question...
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Unless you had another question...
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
ppjones wrote:
I acknowledge your answer. This morning i was fine with a guam/jones vote, but if I am gonna be wrong, I'd rather be wrong with someone who had blinders (no offense pp)
***EDIT TO ADD***
Would yall be more interested in a pairing analysis or situational?
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*rawr*
I think Gaum is human, and her demise will not clear any other players in my mind.
Unless you had another question...
Unless you had another question...
I acknowledge your answer. This morning i was fine with a guam/jones vote, but if I am gonna be wrong, I'd rather be wrong with someone who had blinders (no offense pp)
***EDIT TO ADD***
Would yall be more interested in a pairing analysis or situational?
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*rawr*
id like to hear what you got cause im stumped tbh
think im gonna start at the beginning and see if anything jumps out.....gonna switch to longhorn for the moment just to reduce 'tensions' and not logjam any vote movement
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
think im gonna start at the beginning and see if anything jumps out.....gonna switch to longhorn for the moment just to reduce 'tensions' and not logjam any vote movement
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Probably my top pairings:
guam-ppairing would help account for timing of the rounds. ANd reasons for pp have already been stated.
pp-jayo: Consider the situation that deb was the seer. That was a vote she was her last move. She was willing to brater with his life to save HABS
LH-pp: We consider than brandon was seer. Not as strong a pairing as the other. But LH had another odd exclamation this round. She stated along the lines that her death would be a fatal mistake. But we still have a mislynch and no one was voting for her. Seems a little dramatic. And compared to other postings, would come off as defensive.
I can expand more a bit, but have to run an errand. Spider, remember a few games ago when we played with skybet as wolf. We had our disagreements, but one of the common factors we had was skybet. I think pp is that same common factor.
*rawr*
guam-ppairing would help account for timing of the rounds. ANd reasons for pp have already been stated.
pp-jayo: Consider the situation that deb was the seer. That was a vote she was her last move. She was willing to brater with his life to save HABS
LH-pp: We consider than brandon was seer. Not as strong a pairing as the other. But LH had another odd exclamation this round. She stated along the lines that her death would be a fatal mistake. But we still have a mislynch and no one was voting for her. Seems a little dramatic. And compared to other postings, would come off as defensive.
I can expand more a bit, but have to run an errand. Spider, remember a few games ago when we played with skybet as wolf. We had our disagreements, but one of the common factors we had was skybet. I think pp is that same common factor.
*rawr*
maybe
it sucks we didnt get any info from our seer
i tend to wanna believe you.....
my mojo is totally gone this game
I really cant make heads or tails of that 4demo eating without pp as a wolf.....if pp isnt a wolf i really want to hear the wolves explain that one haha
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
it sucks we didnt get any info from our seer
i tend to wanna believe you.....
my mojo is totally gone this game
I really cant make heads or tails of that 4demo eating without pp as a wolf.....if pp isnt a wolf i really want to hear the wolves explain that one haha
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Lets do what we gotta do Chang
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Sounds good to me. I think the only think that left to say for closing arguments is to address HABS and LH's vote. Not saying or trying to force them to chang thier vote... but
@HABS, spider and I bartered away from you. So if either of us were wolves, it would have been just easier to leave it at a stand still with the vote against you. Granted our votes were on you, it was mostly a defense.
@LH, I think guam is a justifiable vote. But unlike jayo's post, I am not just thinking about this round, but next round as well. Just going off your post last round and this. It seems like you're more confident about guam, (in a non-confrontational way) what made you more confident? One of the reason I prefer pp>guam is that we know where pp vote will go until spider is gone. We won't move away from that situation.
*rawr*
@HABS, spider and I bartered away from you. So if either of us were wolves, it would have been just easier to leave it at a stand still with the vote against you. Granted our votes were on you, it was mostly a defense.
@LH, I think guam is a justifiable vote. But unlike jayo's post, I am not just thinking about this round, but next round as well. Just going off your post last round and this. It seems like you're more confident about guam, (in a non-confrontational way) what made you more confident? One of the reason I prefer pp>guam is that we know where pp vote will go until spider is gone. We won't move away from that situation.
*rawr*
I changed my vote hours ago....
You know what, take me out. I just want the remaining players to take out spider, and then I think Chang when snow declares me human.
Do me that one favor, please.
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The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
You know what, take me out. I just want the remaining players to take out spider, and then I think Chang when snow declares me human.
Do me that one favor, please.
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The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
changhill voted for ppjones
HABS2933 voted for The_Spider
Jayo voted for changhill
Longhorn_fan voted for guamgirl2
ppjones voted for ppjones
The_Spider voted for ppjones
'do me one favor, base the entire ending of the game on my opinion alone
no one owes you any favors
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
HABS2933 voted for The_Spider
Jayo voted for changhill
Longhorn_fan voted for guamgirl2
ppjones voted for ppjones
The_Spider voted for ppjones
'do me one favor, base the entire ending of the game on my opinion alone
no one owes you any favors
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Not sure I agree with it, but if everyone else believes PPJones isa wolf, who am I to argue? Changing my vote.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
whatever happens, lets remember next round is potentially the last round
DO NOT VOTE ON A WHIM
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
DO NOT VOTE ON A WHIM
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Like your trying to sell something...hahahaha.
I asked for the favor, of course no one owes me anything. Do you stand on a pulpit when you preach? We have been basing the game on your opinion most of the time, I stole one vote from you guys, the rest of this mess is on your hands.
Last chance, I can take myself out, just ask...
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
I asked for the favor, of course no one owes me anything. Do you stand on a pulpit when you preach? We have been basing the game on your opinion most of the time, I stole one vote from you guys, the rest of this mess is on your hands.
Last chance, I can take myself out, just ask...
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Your perceptions of your actions and my actions are so comically shaded in rose/ppjones colored glasses its hysterical. Please go ahead and end yourself
You promised one of us was gonna have to go, you came up short, hit the showers and hope we pull it out for you
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
You promised one of us was gonna have to go, you came up short, hit the showers and hope we pull it out for you
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Good luck to the rest of the humans...try not to be fooled by the smoke and mirrors.
My top three are:
Spider
Chang
And now habs with her casual "why argue" vote
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
My top three are:
Spider
Chang
And now habs with her casual "why argue" vote
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
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