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The Werewolf Game #2969

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 7 rounds.

Discussion of Round #6

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  

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changhill*us


Posted: 11:28AM Sep 20, 2013

RFM thanks Chang

Mr. Jones, was old. . . . . but lovable. ;) He was also HUMAN.


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changhill*us


Posted: 11:29AM Sep 20, 2013

Waiting for snowy... headed to last class, but i'll be back after that.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:32AM Sep 20, 2013

Waiting as well...I dont have high hopes but we'll see

if pp was human, Im probly gonna vote Chang....but lets find out (and I wont vote until absolutely neccessray anyway)

I addressed why I was compelled to vote pp all last round, he made up his mind and never really tried to listen, putting his own spin on everything i said to try to reinforce in his own mind his case against me, I have nothing to feel bad about...his entire case was based on an elaborate conspiracy theory from Round 2.....tacked on with things that, to put it bluntly, he made up (that I said Deb was def the seer which I never did)

if I get shot, that's the way it goes I guess, but I'm not a wolf...Ive sort of had Jayo completely off my radar but now I gotta throw him into the mix...Jayo/Chang maybe even..what are you guys thoughts?

if Deb was seer, I guess her "list" in Rd 4 could have been calling out Chang...though I think its extremely dangerous for a seer to do that kind of list..or if you do, you can NOT be anything less than perfectly clear about it.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 02:13PM Sep 20, 2013

I will be back later after I go run some errands

Like what you love, and love what you got.
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JayoAie


Posted: 02:18PM Sep 20, 2013

Meh

Who was our Seer Snowy?


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changhill*us


Posted: 02:31PM Sep 20, 2013

Haha, jayo... if it were only that easy, unless there is something I am missing.

@spider, That's a valid point, but she was willing to go into a jayo vote with me. I don't think that means she seered him by any means, but if she thought I was a wolf, why go into cahoots with me. I will put more consideration into it, but I think we stick with the original plan. Which is to shoot guam. The deciding factor for me when choosing between pp and guam, was that pp wasn't gonna change his vote until spider was proven human by death.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:04PM Sep 20, 2013

My main problem with you Chang is you dont even seem to be entertaining the notion that I could be a wolf

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changhill*us


Posted: 04:14PM Sep 20, 2013

If this was one of our earlier games, I might have been more liberal with "spider is possibly a wolf", but that's just me wearing blinders. I think the one thing pp may have been right about it that if there was a situation where you were a wolf, then I would have to be your partner. I can't see you paired with anyone else.The whole eating ppjones and timing of the rounds just isn't you.

On top of that, pp's analysis of us as a pair was blinded to begin with. Unlike what he stated, we haven't ran any of the votes until his demise. He stole the round before that and the round before that were standard be active and post.


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JayoAie


Posted: 04:49PM Sep 20, 2013

Hmm okay...LH, Guam, Spid, Chang and there are two wolves there which gives me a 50/50 if I shoot blindly (which obviously I won't)
Double bluff Chang?

Yeah, I'll be waiting until I hear from everyone possibly before I vote but I am fairly sure there is a wolf in Spid or Chang, over 90% sure


I have no issue with being the first to cast my vote


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 04:57PM Sep 20, 2013

I think the only obvious not partner with me is you Chang.....why the hell would two wolves scramble so ridiculously (rd 4) when neither of us was in jeapoardy, there's keeping yourself 'in the game' and then there's just being stupid....if we shoot you and you are a wolf, I feel Id have a pretty easy time 'clearing myself' but if we get there we get there

for the record Jayo

Chang
Long

Chang
Guam

Chang
Spider

Guam
LHF

Guam
Spider

LHF
Spider

the actual odds of one of us being a wolf is 5/6 (from a human Jayo's eyes)


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changhill*us


Posted: 05:51PM Sep 20, 2013

Not sure if I am just slow or tired, but I am confused by both of yall's post.

@jayo, double bluff?

@spider, not partner?


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JayoAie


Posted: 06:47AM Sep 21, 2013

So you think Guam and LH is a possible combination?

They haven't offered much (Guam nothing) this round

Decision will be made soon

If Guam is a wolf then she is getting carried by someone, but I am not sure who
I don't know how to take the general lack of all round activity this round but it looks like if even one of the humans does not vote then the game is up

Chang and Spider partnership? I'm not sure but I will likely vote for one of you. I will vote soon

(In RL, my folks and my fiancee's folks are meeting for the first time - in about 3 hours so I might not be around for the rounds finale but I'll try to check in close to the end to see how the land lies)


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:19AM Sep 21, 2013

We have to do something soon and go with it, otherwise the wolves can gang up.....

I don't really know about Guam/LHF...I doubt it, but I was just being literal in response to your 90% comment (just to kid you about how you really weren't going too far out on a limb with your comment)

It just seems like Chang has to be a wolf.....but then is he really partners with Guam?? with Longhorn??? and then that gets me thinking....it that YOU seem more and more likely to be a wolf. I've played this game before, nothing seems to make sense, you pull the trigger the game ends, and there appears that little wolf icon next to the guy you didn't really suspect all game.

I mean all you really have is a Nicats semi SPV vote in Round 2 carrying you.....Im not saying ill vote you, still probably Chang, but I have a feeling im gonna regret it.

though im still tempted to vote Guam...for really not helping us at all over the last 3 rounds....and I hate when wolves skate to the finish

I still have a strong belief LHF is a human.....laugh at me please if Im wrong cause I will carry that flag to the finish be it to a win or a loss.....so what is the partnership?

Chang
Guam

Chang
Jayo

Jayo
Guam

Spider reaches his conclusion....soon


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:42AM Sep 21, 2013

Ive been over the game too many times and its just become a blur. The Nicats shooting was not nearly as helpful as it could have been...everything about this game indicates to me Jayo/Chang has played excellent and are about to win...there's so many little things I go back and forth on. The Cats/Guam vote loop in Rd 2....Jayo's vote for Nicats...the night time out....none of it fits together the way it should. Im lost, and when Im lost naturally I assume its because the better players are fooling me...and Im drawn back to Jayo/Chang.

That being said, Guam was on again and has STILL not posted. Perhaps I will soon make a fatal mistake, but nothing frustrates me more than a wolf limping through to the finish doing nothing.....If I act on principle, which I'm sorely tempted to do so....it will be on guam.....but I really think Jayo/Chang may be the combo (especially when I think I remember a game where Jayo was responsible for a completely unnecessary night time out not long ago)..could be wrong though

will mull it over and be back in an hour...to vote...for better or worse


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JayoAie


Posted: 08:16AM Sep 21, 2013

You are reaching there Spid

Blaming me for a long night in this game?
Well, not one to use log-in details usually but on the incredibly fast night, I had knocked off for the night (work next morning) and there were still 3 hours in the round, I think. When I woke up, the round had already started a couple of hours and I can assure you I didn't set my alarm for 3 or 4 a.m. just to log a quick night vote, I mean what would the point of that be when I would have no idea when my partner would vote, if at all?

Just to reiterate I don't bother with log-in times, well documented, but bringing up a possibility of me causing long nights, I feel comfortable bringing up this blatant point (I felt I wouldn't need to though but there you go)

Blitz of activity at the end of round 4, indeed it was a scramble.


My vote was only now deemed to be a semi-SPV, well being human I had no clue on actual identities but why on earth put a partner in unnecessary trouble? I have bussed often but never pointlessly

Oh and Spider, if you are human in this game, then your honest misconception of my role can be put down to the relatively inactive wolf (wolves) in this game that aren't helping

Worries me that you would pair me with Chang in case you are bussing him and would look relatively untouchable in the last round, with me eaten of course!!

I will vote when I get back, bad feeling that Guam and LH may not turn up and if they are human then this last round is a complete bust

Man I would REALLY like to hear from them
Especially as there is a decent possibility LH is a wolf laying low


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guamgirl2Agu


Posted: 08:25AM Sep 21, 2013

Sorry, I was on briefly to check my talkbox. Been a little busy in real life. Sorry I didn't vote last round... I had to go to the chiropractor, and by the time I got home it was too late.

Since we lost our seer I can't exactly throw an SPV. At this point we have to make a choice. Either shoot a wolf this round, or the game is over. The Jayo/chang pairing could make sense, but what about LH? I don't think we can count her out. She's been very quiet this round, compared to the last ones.

Waiting to hear what others think.

EDIT: Almost three hours left in the round and I need to get to bed, it's nearly midnight. I'm going to vote for LH, seems like the best choice to me. Good luck all.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:46AM Sep 21, 2013

Jayo, that night comment was the most faintest of notions, I didn't expect you to address it as if it was at the top of my list

If Chang is a wolf, I should have quite an easy time pointing out how very very unlikely it is he is my partner.......I do tend to think you are human Jayo.....and yes LHF lying low does bother me.....but its time for action...right or wrong....losing or winning....I vote guamgirl and hope for the best

PS Chang...I did also find pp's 'you guys have been running the show' comment complete fabrication as well


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guamgirl2Agu


Posted: 08:47AM Sep 21, 2013

Your choice, hope it does't cost us the game. Good luck and good night.

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JayoAie


Posted: 08:49AM Sep 21, 2013

So basically you think anyone but Spider is possible?
Guam Spider?

Chang, any insights here?


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:50AM Sep 21, 2013

Today should be a very good day for me, so I can easily absorb a wwg loss if it comes to it

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guamgirl2Agu


Posted: 08:54AM Sep 21, 2013

He could be possible. I'm not letting out that possibility. But right now LH is a little higher on my radar. Unless more proof comes up for me to change my vote.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:14AM Sep 21, 2013

if Jayo/Chang are the wolves, they are in position to blitz

you guys planning your quick draw?


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:17AM Sep 21, 2013

Sorry this is so late, and it may not be any help, but deb was your seer. I meant to post this yesterday. Good luck EVERYONE. . . . I take no sides, so I wish all good luck, even though I don't believe in it.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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guamgirl2Agu


Posted: 09:18AM Sep 21, 2013

Last time to post, I really need to get to bed. Can't wait up all night for the round to end. Jayo, chang? Thoughts?
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:18AM Sep 21, 2013

hmmmm

if that's the case maybe I have to go with Chang???

sorry I have to give Debs round 4 'claim' the most weight, I don't have time to rehash arguments, sorry Chang....


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changhill*us


Posted: 09:20AM Sep 21, 2013

Well it looks like everyone had a good Friday night I was getting lonely. I've skimmed the posts and my plan is the same as before. Follow the guam vote. If she turns out to be wolf, then I will have to work on pairings.

My basic strategy is to account for round timeouts. Which isn't helpful because of the timezone difference from jayo and guam. And I don't have LH down to anything specific.

I am awake and will probably lock in my vote later, since it only takes 3. Would hope to hear from LH before that.

**EDIT TO ADD**

Well I am a slower typer than I thought. Spider, we have been under the assumption that it was more probable that deb was the seer over brandon. So while it's nice to be confirmed, doesn't change much. While it's not necessarily good that deb found me wolfy, it was based on "mayhem." And was willing to help me in a Jayo vote. Deb is past TWG101 and isn't as crazy enough to try to team up with a wolf to turn a vote.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:30AM Sep 21, 2013

Ehhh I reread Round 4, id hardly call that Deb teaming up with you...I really don't understand Debs motivations all round....as late as round 4 seers cannot be ambiguous.

I also think if Deb divined anyone else it was me (as her post regarding me is 'most' confident and Deb would probly divine me early...as well as Chang)


Debs Analysis

hey people and pp
at work and checking in
going to do a quick list


bradon182001- the more she talks the more i am leaning human
changhill- where is the mayhem??? possible wolf
guamgirl2- not sure but leaning human due to the nicats vote
HABS2933- really not sure
Jayo- not sure
Longhorn_fan - i am leaning human on her, could be wrong
ppjones- old fart, it has been a while since we have played, leaning human but not sure
The_Spider- danny boy, i think human


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JayoAie


Posted: 09:33AM Sep 21, 2013

Need to think about this, folks due to arrive in 30mI don't ns so will need to make up my mind soon

Chang, timezones helped to have me cleared me this game, though. I don't normally bother with such.


No Spid, no Blitz


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:34AM Sep 21, 2013

Then its not Jayo/Chang

its not Me/Chang either as LHF would be dead


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JayoAie


Posted: 09:35AM Sep 21, 2013

Okay, Will vote Chang and hope Deb divined Spid and Chang

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changhill*us


Posted: 09:38AM Sep 21, 2013

I wouldn't call us a team; if she divined me, why work with me in a direction that I was pointing. And more so come up with a better reason than I wasn't causing mayhem. As i've pointed out with pp, there wasn't anything mayhem, because everything before was just standard voting. And it's not like I was blending in either, because my votes were locked in before most.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:42AM Sep 21, 2013

I don't know man, an ambiguous seer is a dangerous dangerous thing, I'm sorry.....

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changhill*us


Posted: 09:43AM Sep 21, 2013

I don't particularly think that timezones have cleared you. I know that there's time constraints for some, but you haven't heard from LH.

This is particularly frustrating because we had a developing plan of action last round. I haven't led a lot of votes and the votes that were led, was a general consensuses among the group. If you guys suspected me, why wait until now to voice it?

I just hate losing a game where I am the last one shot, especially when I more than happy to clear myself with a bullet in earlier rounds.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:45AM Sep 21, 2013

I voted you last round, but you made sense so I went back to ppjones (mainly to prevent autoloss)

it is kind of annoying that LHF disappeared.....lol Ill be here as long as I can but at some point we have to just make our choice


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changhill*us


Posted: 09:49AM Sep 21, 2013

Spider, I've been trying to help prevent any autoloss and any 'human' votes. Why bother dealing as a wolf and save human lives than take easy human ones. Especially if I have an opportunity to take yours.

You already know that I think you're a great player. And while I can honestly say I wouldn't eat you as a wolf, kind of a copout to eat the active and good players first. Don't think I wouldn't take the opportunity to shoot you, especially when other people are the ones to start it.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:49AM Sep 21, 2013

so who do you wanna vote Guam or LHF?

my most serious problem now is that Deb would divine me and you early, I think we agree on that? So "possible wolf" is a monumental hurdle for me to clear in considering you human


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:51AM Sep 21, 2013

Deb if your seer and you have a wolf, don't use the word 'possible' wolf if its a divination, its very confusing

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changhill*us


Posted: 09:53AM Sep 21, 2013

My plan was still guam, but with jayo's vote and guam practically locked in. I might have to make a defensive vote. Unless we can pull three votes against guam (spider-lh-chang)...

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:55AM Sep 21, 2013

guams 'lurking' is making me quite uncomfortable, like a wolf waiting to pounce....lol like I said, I would feel hilariously stupid if I disregarded Deb's comment and she has divined you....Im just not sure

I know its not Chang/Jayo as the game would have ended

so its

Chang/Guam
Chang/LHF
LHF/Guam
Jayo/LHF

hmmmm


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JayoAie


Posted: 09:57AM Sep 21, 2013

Yes Deb wasn't overly explicit
I am considering an LH vote, almost voted Chang but something just sfeeling pped me short

You know that feeling that no matter what choice you make that it will turn out to be the wrong one?
Yeah, right here


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:58AM Sep 21, 2013

went back to guam

I know you two could have ended it earlier so one of you is human


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guamgirl2Agu


Posted: 09:59AM Sep 21, 2013

I'm not lurking. Just checking in one last time before the round ends. Waiting to see if I need to change my vote for a more solid suspect.

EDIT: make up your mind spider. Just make sure it won't cost us the game. Like I said before, if we don't get a wolf this round the game is over.


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changhill*us


Posted: 09:59AM Sep 21, 2013

I thought we discouraged the chang/LH, because that was a risky move to make on LH's part. Not like she even tried to bus me. There would have been no benefit.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:00AM Sep 21, 2013

you guys just wanna try LHF and see how we do

everybody is here except her, I just feel like some type of blitz would have been attempted but I could just be mixed up


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changhill*us


Posted: 10:02AM Sep 21, 2013

Jayo wrote:
Yes Deb wasn't overly explicit
I am considering an LH vote, almost voted Chang but something just sfeeling pped me short

You know that feeling that no matter what choice you make that it will turn out to be the wrong one?
Yeah, right here


Just because I need to calm down a bit and relax...



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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:03AM Sep 21, 2013

SCREW IT, IF ONE OF YOU IS A WOLF....SWARM SWARM SWARM

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:04AM Sep 21, 2013



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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:05AM Sep 21, 2013

post a smiley face to let me know you haven't taken the opportunity to end the game



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changhill*us


Posted: 10:05AM Sep 21, 2013

Jayo?

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