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The Werewolf Game #2991

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 7 rounds.

Discussion of Round #5

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4demo


Posted: 12:54PM Nov 3, 2013

RFM Thanks!!

ICUB42 was HUMAN!


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4demo


Posted: 12:56PM Nov 3, 2013

Well, that was a fast night (about 7-8 hours), and guamgirl is cleared since her last login was two days ago.

Since we sort of decided last round that Bobbi was most likely human, her being eaten doesn't really tell us much. Waiting for snow to reveal any information about ICU and Bobbi.


Edit: Darn, I was really convinced that ICU was a wolf.

The votes on ICU last round were me, Anglo, buu, and nidhogg. The vote was started by me, then joined by Anglo and nidhogg, with the final vote coming from Anglo.

Bobbi, who was eaten, indicated in a post she was suspicious of deb mostly but also of Guam. Obviously Guam is cleared due to lack of login, but deb is probably worth another look at.


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nidhoggAgb


Posted: 03:43PM Nov 3, 2013

Wow... I thought ICUB would definitely turn out to be a wolf- sorry guys
However I am still convinced that debc1 is a wolf, and I will be voting for them this round unless anyone does anything to obviously reveal themself as a wolf.
After that I'm questioning buu441, who's remained quiet recently.
I appreciate I'm not cleared yet (as far as I'm aware) but these are my thoughts Let me know what you all think
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debc1A


Posted: 04:20PM Nov 3, 2013

hey
well finally a short night
that witch always suspects me
i know i haven't been on as much as i like to
work has been soooo busy
i didn't think that voting for seer coverage was suspicious, as far as i know the seer is still with us, so i don't get that
and since i still think the seer is here i will vote again
could change if i can get back on


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HadleighAau


Posted: 05:10PM Nov 3, 2013

Deb, I am not a wolf. I'm not too sure if you are one or not or whether 4demo is doing a particularly good con job on everyone.

I have voted but it is subject to change.


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4demo


Posted: 05:43PM Nov 3, 2013

Deb, I don't think SPVs are suspicious in and of themselves. What I found strange last round was how quickly you jumped into an SPV, even though you planned to be back later that round once we had more info on whether or not the Seer was actually still around. It's not like round 1 where you know for a fact the Seer must be there; your quick assumption (especially if intended to justify a hasty vote) is what's odd. This is just my opinion and others might disagree.

My own thoughts on the players left:

4demo - well, I'd say I'm innocent regardless of what role I am, so let's move on.
AngloSaxon70 - probably human but not really cleared. vlerma voted for him in round 3, putting him in a tied majority (at the time), but he also voted for froggy rather than vlerma.
buu441 - possibly wolf. Night timed out in an earlier round when he hadn't logged on (could be frame though), time zone aligns with round ending at 6 am BT.
debc1 - possibly wolf. See above and last round.
guamgirl2 - cleared due to login.
Hadleigh - undecided. I feel like she's human, but I also know she's smart enough to lead us down the wrong path as a wolf...
nidhogg - undecided. I don't really know him well enough and he hasn't said or done anything that really stands out this game.

I'm going to tentatively place a vote on buu since I don't want to leave just one open vote on deb just yet, but subject to change.


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:43PM Nov 3, 2013

Ok folks, I meant to post these long before this. Sorry for the delay and hope you can forgive.

Q: Wolves, what is your favorite Halloween Candy?

1) Reese's Peanut Butter Cups

2) Simply chocolate

3) Honestly, I don't have a favorite Halloween Candy, but I do like dark chocolate a lot.

I have supplied all 3 answers, even though 1 wolf has already been shot. It is up to you to determine which answer fits the shot wolf.


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buu441Ain


Posted: 09:52PM Nov 3, 2013

@4demo: you really shouldn't be judging people based on log in times or round end times (an obvious clear is fine). In a few games I've played earlier, mods used to place a rule which went somewhat like 'discussion of log-in times is forbidden'. I think you have been making too many assumptions based simply on log-in times from quite some time. Which makes me believe you are a wolf. As a wolf you can conveniently get the night to end when you want, and then start pointing fingers based on that. That's where my vote will be going this round.

Waiting to see what others have to say about this.

@mod: I noticed something weird about the posts last round. While I was typing my last post, the final two posts by ICU and 4demo where already there. But after posting, my post was put above those two posts. Anything up with the game?


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4demo


Posted: 10:12PM Nov 3, 2013

Here's what's up with the posts being out of order: link to bug report

I wasn't aware that discussion of times was prohibited, and I apologize if I violated any rule there. The reason I pointed that out was because 6 am is a relatively unlikely time for a U.S. player to be online - like I also pointed out, there are a number of reasons why someone could still be awake at that hour, but it just wasn't something I had seen in previous games so it was more likely a wolf is from outside the country (but did not eliminate or target specific other countries). I'm certainly aware that login times or round end times are meaningless by themselves, but I do think they can provide a little additional context sometimes. Also, even if I were a wolf, I certainly wouldn't stay up until 6 or get up that early just to try to frame someone.

That said, I'm happy to drop discussion of login times, but I find it interesting this is the thing you chose to focus on given my activity this game. You could say that initiating a vote (and not just joining a majority at the end of the round) for vlerma makes me look less suspicious, or that gunning heavily for ICU (who turned out to be human) makes me look more suspicious. I'm not sure if you simply omitted these because they "cancel out" or if you're looking for reasons to shift suspicion to me.

Edit: Also, I wouldn't say I've been going off logins for "quite some time". The first two rounds, I just SPV'ed randomly since I was traveling and just checking the game at the airport. The third round, I voted for vlerma due to a post she made. The fourth round, I did bring up timing but I also voted for ICU, who I suspected for other reasons.


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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:24PM Nov 3, 2013

I didn't state either vlerma or ICU, mostly because I didn't think the vlerma vote meant much. vlerma was shot after computer chose her in the tie. It is common for a wolf to place an early spv on a fellow wolf, as has been stated earlier. And about ICU, I made the final call, so hardly justified if I start pointing at you alone for gunning at them.

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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:27PM Nov 3, 2013

buu441 wrote:
@4demo: you really shouldn't be judging people based on log in times or round end times (an obvious clear is fine). In a few games I've played earlier, mods used to place a rule which went somewhat like 'discussion of log-in times is forbidden'. I think you have been making too many assumptions based simply on log-in times from quite some time. Which makes me believe you are a wolf. As a wolf you can conveniently get the night to end when you want, and then start pointing fingers based on that. That's where my vote will be going this round.

Waiting to see what others have to say about this.

@mod: I noticed something weird about the posts last round. While I was typing my last post, the final two posts by ICU and 4demo where already there. But after posting, my post was put above those two posts. Anything up with the game?



Not sure what you're talking about buu, as I don't see anything out of the ordinary with last rounds posts. If anyone else noticed something, please speak up. I didn't do any editing, etc. of the posts. . . .


Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:34PM Nov 3, 2013

Sorry for the double post, but something has been mentioned in the game, and I want to clear up any confusion. While some mods do not allow discussion about log in/out times, I don't mind it. Therefore, I will not stop anyone from discussing this. This info can be used in many ways, as a benefit, to cause confusion, as a distraction, it all depends on the who's using this info, and for what purpose. So . . . . go ahead, to me, it only adds to the game.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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HadleighAau


Posted: 10:51PM Nov 3, 2013

Totally agree Snowy.

Jake has already modified the game so that it doesn't automatically start the next round when the last wolf votes.

That used to be a distinct problem when you where down to the last 3 and players could quickly deduce who the wolf was especially if they were watching as a guest. Log in times don't really mean much anymore

As demo said, Guam is pretty much cleared as she hasn't been on for 2 days when the shortish night round ended. Good wolf chow now though.


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4demo


Posted: 11:13PM Nov 3, 2013

I'm not sure if the second wolf likes "Simply chocolate" as in "just anything chocolatey" or specifically Simply chocolate. The latter result is a little more interesting because the store is based in Denmark. That said, I'll throw out the usual disclaimers - someone could have traveled to Denmark, know someone who brought back chocolates from Denmark, etc. I also found other results like this store in Arizona called Simply Chocolate, although I wouldn't exactly consider that "Halloween candy". If it was really the Denmark sweet, then I would probably go for nidhogg, since nobody else is from Europe.

That said, I have no idea what the availability of Reese's peanut butter cups (of which I have two in my room... probably one or zero by the end of the round) is outside the U.S., so without knowing which wolf was shot, we don't have much of a takeaway.


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AngloSaxon70A


Posted: 11:41PM Nov 3, 2013

I can't figure out the clue, so I'm going to throw out a wild vote for HadleighA
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HadleighAau


Posted: 12:02AM Nov 4, 2013

I dislike chocolate as it gives me real bad headaches. I found that out when I was in my early twenties. I prefer chips and nuts and CHEESE.

I have never heard of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, is that an American brand. Let me google.

Edit: just googled it, Chocolate Peanut Butter..... I wouldn't eat them, sounds perfectly revolting. Peanut butter and cheese sandwich is pretty good though.


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buu441Ain


Posted: 12:08AM Nov 4, 2013

Never heard of Reese's earlier, and I am pretty sure we don't get that here.
@4demo: Playing a bluff? Peanut butter in your room, which you might have gathered over Halloween? And which might be your favorite Halloween candy? You sure are playing it risky.


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HadleighAau


Posted: 12:12AM Nov 4, 2013

AngloSaxon70 wrote:
I can't figure out the clue, so I'm going to throw out a wild vote for HadleighA

Don't throw a wild vote for me as you will definitely be shooting a human.


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4demo


Posted: 12:24AM Nov 4, 2013

buu441 wrote:
@4demo: Playing a bluff? Peanut butter in your room, which you might have gathered over Halloween? And which might be your favorite Halloween candy? You sure are playing it risky.


I mean, I could simply not have said anything; I think you're reading a little too much into a casual comment there. And definitely not my favorite Halloween candy; I like Reese's as opposed to disliking them, but I find the peanut butter cups to be overly sweet, so I rarely eat more than one at a time (maybe two if they come in a pack). I was participating in a Halloween event where I handed out candy (and had a couple of leftovers), but it wasn't for me specifically. And the eating them tonight was a reference to staying up late for assignments due in the morning... it's hard to explain all the facets of my college lifestyle without sounding defensive.

I can't fault you for being skeptical because I do that a lot myself, but you seem a little too keen to use literally everything I say against me. I honestly can't imagine how you'd explain why I would even bring up Reese's if I was really was a wolf...


Edit: as much as I have doubts about buu, keeping my vote there isn't going to do much good beyond being a SPV. Given there is a tie between deb and Hadleigh right now, and I really have no reason to suspect Hadleigh / do have at least slight misgivings about deb's behavior, I'm placing a third vote on deb.


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buu441Ain


Posted: 12:30AM Nov 4, 2013

Can't really help it. If I somehow start thinking someone might be a wolf, I start looking for every little bit of evidence I can use to support it. You see its like you get an idea, and then start reinforcing it with whatever you get so as to convince yourself first that you might be correct.

4demo wrote:
I honestly can't imagine how you'd explain why I would even bring up Reese's if I was really was a wolf...

That's why I started off with 'Playing a bluff?'.


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4demo


Posted: 12:39AM Nov 4, 2013

Ironically, my paper due in the morning is about confirmation bias, the exact phenomenon you're describing.

Okay, I sort of understanding what you're saying, although I'm still not sure why I would do that as opposed to a) not say anything b) say something like "I hate Reese's" or "I'm allergic to peanut butter" or whatever (regardless of whether that is true or false). Not that the bluffing tactic you described isn't ever done, but it just doesn't seem like it'd be a helpful move in this case.


Edit: just wanted to add that I'm not really a fan of indiscriminately building up evidence on someone based on every little thing. I think we're all guilty of it to a degree, but I've found there are often so many different or opposite explanations that it's a risky move. For example, I could say "X hasn't been very active - he must be a wolf lying low this round" or I could say "X hasn't been very active - maybe he's the Seer trying not to attract attention or maybe he's having a really busy day in RL". Honestly, I could probably think of several things claiming I'm a wolf and several things claiming I'm a human (from an outside observer's point of view), or do the same for most players.


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guamgirl2Agu


Posted: 02:55AM Nov 4, 2013

So for being MIA. The last few days were pretty hectic. One of our foster boys got the stomach virus and it wasn't pleasant to deal with.

Do we still have our seer. I'm going to read over the posts before I make a vote.

The dark chocolate answer makes me think the third wolf is female, that might narrow things down a bit.


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nidhoggAgb


Posted: 04:36AM Nov 4, 2013

Just wanted to say regarding the chocolate clue- I didn't recognise either of the top two brand names- I may be from Europe but Scandinavia is somewhere I've never gone. Importing it would be too expensive as well!
I think between debc1 and Hadleigh the former is more suspicious; I don't really see what Hadleigh has done to merit these allegations

Also having reread previous rounds I'm starting to suspect Anglo (who would also fit with the timezone thing- AngloSaxon = English/British), I think the final two wolves will be two of debc1, buu441 and Anglo


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4demo


Posted: 08:11AM Nov 4, 2013

I found a forum post by vlerma that said:

I love chocolate, but darned, I can't have it so I'll just be happy that you have it.


I think she is most likely 2 or 3. I could think of many reasons why someone can't have chocolate, but in pretty much any case, "simply [having any] chocolate" might be a treat then (2), or maybe it's more advisable to have a small amount of dark chocolate (3). But Reese's just feels a little more like a long shot

Guamgirl, our Seer should be around since we nobody killed has been revealed to be the Seer.


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4demo


Posted: 12:40PM Nov 4, 2013

Well, with 10 minutes left, the voting is as follows:

4demo voted for debc1
AngloSaxon70 voted for Hadleigh
buu441 voted for 4demo
debc1 voted for Hadleigh
Hadleigh voted for debc1
nidhogg voted for debc1

I'm assuming guamgirl is still handling the stomach virus case (good luck!), so barring any last-minute changes, deb would be shot.


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