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The Werewolf Game #3000

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 7 rounds.

Discussion of Round #2

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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 03:39AM Nov 30, 2013

Thanks GA


The Council interpreted correctly the lack of activity from Scrub and the number of interlopers stands now at 3.

During the course of events, the Galonians surreptitiously convinced the others to eliminate Snow from the Council and their efforts to gain a majority of control has been put back on track despite losing a member.

The holder of the keys to the Inner Sanctum joins the others in the next round of discussions.
There has been another attack and there is work to be done




Working on a wolf clue, will be a complicated one and will be issued later this round. it will be posted here, I will post below to announce it in due course. Good luck



WOLF CLUE

The following was obtained by surveillance, though they didn't manage to intercept the Keyword.
It is as yet unknown exactly who this implicates but intelligence is working on it:

jngkwcdhn mur irdnko lgnsgr lmuho prmvdon smjn jmrn dkimrjgtdmk cnrn zbplwe glznpkntbp nsto ktgspl khy zywe jp ozwbpm ctns h opkzym vpeczlm ktgspl omh jpvct thk xj ompl wcv zh jxnvq bpom c updhq ny clm ocz tui tn kli kpfaktpm lfb f piubichtjm fk nahi ntjp kqt iaolk utpkl juahipmakz bpahi


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 03:41AM Nov 30, 2013

Nice work nabbing a wolf last round!

I'll throw in an SPV right now and hopefully I'll be more active this round than I was last!
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Smithy*en


Posted: 04:33AM Nov 30, 2013

A little disappointing that we hit one through the pot luck of an inactive shot but oh well.

SPV for now, not sure whether we can clear anyone based on last round's voting bearing in mind it was an inactive hit.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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BoredUltimatumAus


Posted: 04:45AM Nov 30, 2013

Well, finally night's over. 1 down, 3 to go. I'm a bit suspicious of ONI showing up just before getting shot but I'll leave it for now. Going to check back through tomorrow (well today) and see what others think.
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Smithy*en


Posted: 05:10AM Nov 30, 2013

Not sure what to make of Oni's activity levels (I would say not much), but perhaps of greater interest was his seeming reluctance to vote oni - I'm not sure precisely when he did vote for him but he had to be told by Putter "Your best shot is to join the scrubb majority then, oni. His inactivity is really the only thing that can justify saving you".

I know different players/groups approach things differently and he hasn't played for a while but I would have thought a human showing up in that situation would have voted scrub instantly. Not that I want to join forces with the Hindsight Police but it looks a little more suspect in light of scrub's role.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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RhythmicAus


Posted: 05:18AM Nov 30, 2013

Voting cab for now. Same reason as before even if it isn't much of one. Also subject to change..

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 05:59AM Nov 30, 2013

I also do not know what to think about ONI. He did show uup just as the votes started to pile on him, which always makes me pay more attention to that player.
Yes he had to be told he should vote Scrub, which he did, but according to his page he has only played 4 games of WWG so he is still fairly experienced (unless he used to have another account).

I voted Cab last round, mostly as a SPV but think I will do so again this round based on her limited activity level. She posted fairly early just about the game being uderway then again about 18 hours later just saying she though the round did not end for close to another 20 hours, she did not comment again.
Most of us were fairly inactive that round (myself included) but I have noticed over the course of many games that CAB seems to become more inactive when she is a wolf, only popping in to make small comments (like her first one) or stating she will "be back later".
Not sure where the Scrub vote was at the time she posted about joining the Oni vote, but she did call it a 'mini-majority' which makes me think the votes were close at that time. Not sure why she would pick the ONi vote over the Scrub one but as he turned out to be a wolf, it could be significant.


Vas-y les Habs! J'y crois!
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Skybet*gb


Posted: 06:04AM Nov 30, 2013

Interesting thoughts Smithy. I do tend to agree it makes an obvious choice that scrub would be your only option. But there could be a lot of reasons why they didn't know to vote that way, I have no idea of their experience with the game.

Nothing jumped out particularly last round. I will have another read, though, after waking up fully. (Haven't had my coffee yet).


We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:43AM Nov 30, 2013

SPV for a few hours, tough morning here...but ill be back

Let the games, begin!
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 09:09AM Nov 30, 2013

I'll just through a quick spv at bradon...I find it a bit weird how there was some hesitation to switch the majority over to scrubb sometthing wasn't right about that. So I'm actually agreeing with the notion that oni's activity was pretty suspicious. Even though he has been out of practice for a while, it seemed pretty obvious for him to charge after scrub.

changhill voted for changhill
GreenApples27 voted for dfamina
HABS2933 voted for caberet
HarryPutter voted for bradon182001
Rhythmic voted for caberet
Skybet voted for HarryPutter
Smithy voted for changhill
The_Spider voted for debc1


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Cloud nine gets all the publicity, but cloud eight actually is cheaper, less crowded, and has a better view.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 09:30AM Nov 30, 2013

I'm voting chang. last round, when we were all switching to scrub, he said he would rather have voted oni.

There was no reason to shoot oni so he probably wanted to save scrub and get a (possible) human shot. Something bothered me about the post even before we knew scrub was a wolf.


Fearless.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:50AM Nov 30, 2013

I disagree 100% slamm, I actually moved Chang toward human after last round. The writing was on the wall that Scrubb was gonna be in the crosshairs, why would Chang, now knowing a wolf is going to be hit, express interest in shooting (a potential human-if oni and scrubb are both wolves maybe things change). It's just a pointless gesture that doesnt help you at all, so I dont see why a wolf Chang would do it.

Harry seems pretty cleared to me as well, its hard to gather much else out of last round other than to just be happy we got lucky....Oni has a bit of a skittish side it seems, so it seems somewhat consistent that he wouldnt instantly vote Scrubb.....you guys might be right, but i think there is a possible innocent explanation for his hesitation last round


Let the games, begin!
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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 09:57AM Nov 30, 2013

But he definitely comes from an 'old school' of wwg in that he plays a pretty straight forward, maybe obvious game. It used to be pretty common to see outright loyalty to one's team, and very little throwing under the bus.

I'm also leaning chang as human on that point too, it's way too risky to say that as your wolf partner is getting shot


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Cloud nine gets all the publicity, but cloud eight actually is cheaper, less crowded, and has a better view.
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bradon182001*us


Posted: 10:07AM Nov 30, 2013

HarryPutter wrote:


I'm also leaning chang as human on that point too, it's way too risky to say that as your wolf partner is getting shot


But, isn't that the name of his game? Mayhem, confusion and risk? Okay, maybe not that much risk, but it's the first thing I though of.

Anyhow, will SPv for now, nicats, will make a more definite decision after others have expressed ideas.
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changhill*us


Posted: 10:10AM Nov 30, 2013

It's funny that slamm says that, cuase I am tempted to put her in the majority this round... I was going to post that I didn't have much to say.

Spider and HP are right. I am not going to protect a "doomed" wolf especially if they're inactive. I know and mostly follow the unwritten rules of WWG, so I wasn't campaigning for a switch in votes just stating my feelings at the time. Unless you're a wolf and knew scrubs was gonna turn wolf, his death can't really be used to implicate someone as wolf or human. It was a straight forward kill, and lucky for the humans. You could look at the rate in which votes flipped from oni to scrubb and those who were active and made no change, but that's pseudoscience wolf hunting even for me.


*rawr*
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changhill*us


Posted: 10:16AM Nov 30, 2013

bradon182001 wrote:
HarryPutter wrote:


I'm also leaning chang as human on that point too, it's way too risky to say that as your wolf partner is getting shot


But, isn't that the name of his game? Mayhem, confusion and risk? Okay, maybe not that much risk, but it's the first thing I though of.

Anyhow, will SPv for now, nicats, will make a more definite decision after others have expressed ideas.


But there's an art to mayhem and insanity. I don't just go running off doing my own thing without reason. It's controlled and loud. My measly post about scrubb isn't that unbelievable. Continuous votes for inactives, round after round are pointless, and not wolf hunting. If it were not round 1, I may have campaigned for scrubbs usefulness over oni. But at the moment, there wasn't any hesitation to change my vote, just a statement of feelings, neither have greatly impressed me. So I would continue to say that oni is a safe vote if needed.

The only thing I might add is that Slamm is suspicious of my "hesitation," but oni himself had to be persuaded to make the logical choice to join a majority rather than try making his own.

***EDIT TO ADD***

I guess I am done for a bit. I have school things to do. If you need me, you can find me somewhere between the museum and library.


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*rawr*
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:20AM Nov 30, 2013

In response to Bradon:

your sentiment comes across a lot:

"A wolf would never do that"

"AHA! but isnt that exactly why a wolf would do that!"

it's interesting in theory and certainly possible, but in the heat of the game, wolves rarely play too boldly, they rarely take risks hoping to count on reverse pyschology, or knowing that humans would interpret their actions as "too wolf-like" and count them human. So the most logical thing to me is to notch Chang's comment as humanlike, though certainly there's room for different interpretations


Let the games, begin!
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caberetAus


Posted: 10:20AM Nov 30, 2013

Wahooo! It's ever so nice to hit a furball 1st round!

I'm of 2 minds about oni. He came aboard late in the round despite having been around earlier without posting. (I hope that doesn't break any rules. He was around, but not in the game.) I was only around early on in the oni maj, so I don't know who was voting which way after oni showed up. But here goes: If oni is a wolf, then he wouldn't want to vote his partner, but he'd still want to get himself out of a majority. So he might vote for someone else altogether in hopes of starting a new majority on a human. But that would have been pointless with a complete inactive in the crosshairs.

If oni is human, I don't understand at all why he wouldn't join a majority to save himself. But he would have been blind, and could have thought that scrubb could be equally human. I originally thought that oni was human, but then became more and more convinced that his actions were suspect.

I consider chang human. Humanish at least. Of course I always want chang on my side and usually err on the side of trusting him. But I don't see him being foolish if a wolf is at stake. Unless both majorities, oni and scrubb were wolves. But in that case I'd expect something out of left field from chang.

I'm unsure why Habs is pretending that I 1st voted oni later in the round than I obviously did. I think that there were 3 votes for oni when I joined. Scrubb wasn't on the radar at all. I believe the voting list was captured right before my change. Yes, we often 'see' a wolf with minimal info. But Habs seems to be switching around info to suit herself. That's where my vote is going.


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 10:43AM Nov 30, 2013

For now I have voted Chang.....he likes to cause mayheim and confusion in the game and with 20 peeps that is unnecessary as it is already easily confusing on its own.

The Snowy eating not much to go on there...she is a good player and the wolves have a box to discuss eatings so who knows. I would say maybe a reg might be in the mix though.
The reason I say that is because Snow did not contribute too immensily in round one so.......she was eaten I think based on past experiences. Just my take. Will be back later.


Like what you love, and love what you got.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 10:47AM Nov 30, 2013

bradon182001 voted for nicats
caberet voted for HABS2933
changhill voted for changhill
GreenApples27 voted for dfamina
HABS2933 voted for caberet
HarryPutter voted for bradon182001
Longhorn_fan voted for changhill
Rhythmic voted for caberet
Skybet voted for HarryPutter
slammngirl92 voted for changhill
Smithy voted for changhill
The_Spider voted for debc1

Im fine in general with shooting 'disruptions' but we have some reasoning, albeit slight, that Chang is human, so I find this siutation highly disagreeable. And for the record, I find the amount of 'mayhem' Chang produces, HIGHLY overated anyway


Let the games, begin!
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changhill*us


Posted: 10:55AM Nov 30, 2013

I don't intentionally cause mayhem. From your perspective it only looks like mayhem. And I don't mean to offend anyone here specifically, but many of yall have a narrow view of how the game should work. And you follow the routine so much that you're not even playing the game anymore, just pulling the same levers and pushing the same button that you did in the previous game. But not one game is the same, they can be similar.

The mayhem I cause is an inside joke more than anything. LH would rather vote me off for the potential of something happening, rather than hunt an actual wolf suspect. Slamm has a little more sounds reason, but it's illogical considering my past play style and my status of a "vet".

As far as the snow eating I don't really know what to say at this point. Again, I would be one to provide a mod pass, since she is a regular mod and pretty deserving to play the game.


*rawr*
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:00AM Nov 30, 2013

I never really thought of "mod passes" but that is a good point, some players i would be inclined to believe would give some leeway to players who mod a lot. Deb is definitely NOT one of them

Gonna be out for awhile pretty soon, but i should be able to slip back in from time to time today


Let the games, begin!
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dfamina


Posted: 11:04AM Nov 30, 2013

I'm not very tempted at this point to shoot chang. Or I should say, not tempted at all. Two of the votes on chang are SPVs, counting his own, and the other two don't convince me. The only comment I can really see that people would point out is "I'd rather join the oni vote", and chang's always trying to start up an extra majority. As for the snow eating... I get absolutely nothing from that. Mostly inactive player gets eaten in Round One, straight out of the WWG Textbook.

I'm going to SPV for now (not for chang), and I'll be back later or perhaps even tomorrow.
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debc1A


Posted: 11:09AM Nov 30, 2013

dan
how could you say that???
and you think snow would be my first pick??

will vote someone for now
but subject to change

i am hurt


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BoredUltimatumAus


Posted: 12:17PM Nov 30, 2013

Briefly back. Not sure I want to join a majority this soon in a non-first round without sitting down and reviewing the posts (when not on my phone). Voting for the first player without a vote yet. I do think I remember Changhill being a bit of a dissention maker and I need to look into Caberet; both being the majorities.

BoredUltimatum voted for kmrutledge
bradon182001 voted for nicats
caberet voted for HABS2933
changhill voted for changhill
debc1 voted for GreenApples27
dfamina voted for Smithy
GreenApples27 voted for dfamina
HABS2933 voted for caberet
HarryPutter voted for bradon182001
Longhorn_fan voted for changhill
Rhythmic voted for caberet
Skybet voted for HarryPutter
slammngirl92 voted for changhill
Smithy voted for changhill
The_Spider voted for debc1
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caberetAus


Posted: 01:56PM Nov 30, 2013

Checking back into the game. I am not joining the mini-maj on chang. Mainly because he's chang! But there's plenty of time, and he's one of the voters. So that trend should end without much sweat.

Same goes for the 2 voters for me. Ryth is just SPVing, but Habs is curious. Saying that my round 1 play (on Thanksgiving, no less) was quiet? What do you expect?

Anyhoo, I'm holding my vote. At least for now...


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:22PM Nov 30, 2013

Deb if you'll recall, in a game specifically implemented to give me a break from moderating....you ate me in round one

it's cool though Deb


Let the games, begin!
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 02:23PM Nov 30, 2013

At that point, the majority was just getting on scrub. Chang thought he could turn it around since some people weren't ready to jump on the majority. I don't know, it jsut seems odd.

Holding my vote on him for now... We have time and I want to see how the round progresses.


Fearless.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 02:31PM Nov 30, 2013

I dont feel like picking threw the round right now, but i believe Chang switched his vote at that point. I don't see a decent wolf ever trying to protect an inactive teamate in round 1, ESPECIALLY under the circumstances we set forth last round (i.e. lets gang up on someone to end the round more quickly). If you're talking a 2-2-2-2 tie in a standard round 1, a wolf might take a chance, but not here imo of course

Let the games, begin!
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changhill*us


Posted: 02:36PM Nov 30, 2013

Slammed your observations are off. I voiced my opinion but agreeably voted scrubb. The round was in the last 9 hours of 48. I was in no way attempting to sway people one way or the other. I am not sure with your obsession to continue your Chang campaign.

*rawr*
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debc1A


Posted: 02:41PM Nov 30, 2013

sorry dan did i know that?? i don't remember

not feeling the uncle kevy votes right now

sticking with my vote for now, not feeling anything from anyone at the moment but slam is beginning to worry me

edit
after re reading last round others switched to scrubs after kevy, so i am not seeing your point slam(or is where the hind sight police come in? )


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 02:47PM Nov 30, 2013

I highly disagree with the majority on changhill. Like Dan and Harry have expressed a lot of times this round, what he did was too... dumb to be a wolf. I am going to start a majority elsewhere but I haven't decided who yet, so give me a moment.

EDIT: Okay, after rereading yesterday, I think Dan is definitely human, and I'll explain if he's ever in danger of being shot, which he isn't. I am not getting obvious human vibes from debc1 which I always do whenever she is human. I can usually call her out as human all the time, maybe I'm rusty since I've been out of the game for so long. I'll vote her for now, plenty of time to change votes though if I change my mind!


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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 03:39PM Nov 30, 2013

I see where you are coming from, spid. I don't know, I just felt unsure of his playing last round.

I guess I will switch off since he voted himself anyways.


Fearless.
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:42PM Nov 30, 2013

Deb i watched your avatar for 5 minutes and I still havent counted enough hearts to do you justice, however, i will follow Green's instincts on this one for the time being

Let the games, begin!
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changhill*us


Posted: 03:53PM Nov 30, 2013

I am still not overly sold on oni. And there wasn't any tension to lead me to believe that scrubbs turning wolf made oni and more human. I am tempted to vote slamm, but will hold off until more time progresses.

*rawr*
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debc1A


Posted: 03:54PM Nov 30, 2013

aww your sweet
but apples IS rusty, trust me on this


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changhill*us


Posted: 03:57PM Nov 30, 2013

Rhythmic voted for caberet
HABS2933 voted for caberet

Longhorn_fan voted for changhill
Smithy voted for changhill

The_Spider voted for debc1
GreenApples27 voted for debc1

slammngirl92 voted for oni5150
changhill voted for oni5150


BoredUltimatum voted for kmrutledge
bradon182001 voted for nicats
caberet voted for HABS2933
debc1 voted for GreenApples27
dfamina voted for Smithy
HarryPutter voted for bradon182001
Skybet voted for HarryPutter

Actually these minimajorities need to be cleaned up a bit... changing my vote to smithy, so that votes will move.

***EDIT TO ADD*** Deb if you're still on, will you join me in a predominate majority>


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*rawr*
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 03:59PM Nov 30, 2013

LOL spid

Fearless.
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debc1A


Posted: 04:31PM Nov 30, 2013

depends on who kevy
i really don't have any solid suspects right now

edit

should we not wait for the clue??


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JayoAie


Posted: 05:11PM Nov 30, 2013

Wolf clue posted in the RFM, happy hunting

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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oni5150*us


Posted: 05:19PM Nov 30, 2013

Hi there, this game seems to start early for me (midnight in the US) but I'm here. That and the holiday here are why thing are a bit off for me, will make sure to check in 1st thing in the am now rather than wait till later on the day here.

Reading posts now and catching up


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debc1A


Posted: 05:26PM Nov 30, 2013

meanwhile our friend caesar could provide some more information here zgpcwj aczepnetgp estd ntaspc nly zywj mp dzwgpo htes l dpnzyo vpjhzco ntaspc dol mpvht tln xm dopc whv zl mxevq gpdo h upilq ey hco dhz tuf te ncf npkbntpo ckg k pfugfhltmo kn eblf etmp nqt fbdcn utpnc mublfpobnz gpblf

edit
overly protective this cipher can only be solved with a second keyword cipher sda bekwi iac mb sder lwk oa bmtkf vesd w jexaf tn wrd swo iju it cru cezqcied rzv z eujvuwaibd zc tqau tibe cfi uqsrc jiecr bjqauedqco veqau

edit
the final leg of this can be found with a mixed up ash tab lmv lu gsv gizrglih szw z ivmwvaelfh zg urev ulfi gdl vrtsg mligs fmrevihrgb wirev

what the heck is a mixed up ash tab??

edit
one of the traitors had a rendezvous at five four two eight north university drive


i feel like a genius right now, let me bask
switching my vote, sorry babe


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JayoAie


Posted: 05:43PM Nov 30, 2013

Wow Deb

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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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debc1A


Posted: 05:45PM Nov 30, 2013

ok i edited it in case someone else wants to do it



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changhill*us


Posted: 05:48PM Nov 30, 2013

So I assume that cab is our gal? here

***EDIT TO ADD*** Nice work deb


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*rawr*
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oni5150*us


Posted: 05:50PM Nov 30, 2013


Btw thanx all for giving me a chance last round! Happy dance!!!

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:52PM Nov 30, 2013

Deb

BoredUltimatum voted for kmrutledge
bradon182001 voted for nicats
caberet voted for HABS2933
changhill voted for caberet
debc1 voted for caberet
dfamina voted for Smithy
GreenApples27 voted for debc1
HABS2933 voted for caberet
HarryPutter voted for bradon182001
Longhorn_fan voted for changhill
Rhythmic voted for caberet
Skybet voted for HarryPutter
slammngirl92 voted for oni5150
Smithy voted for changhill
The_Spider voted for caberet


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Let the games, begin!
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bradon182001*us


Posted: 06:17PM Nov 30, 2013

Oh, wow Deb!! When did you learn how to solve ciphers? You will have to teach me.

Anyway, I'm trusting it, changing my vote to Cab. Good work!!
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:22PM Nov 30, 2013

Welcome to Earf

Let the games, begin!
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:28PM Nov 30, 2013

caberet wrote:

I'm unsure why Habs is pretending that I 1st voted oni later in the round than I obviously did.


I'm not "pretending" anything. I am calling it the way I see it. I just read my post and it made little sense as a portion of it was somehow left out - I have fixed it (in red) to read the way I intended.


I think that there were 3 votes for oni when I joined. Scrubb wasn't on the radar at all. I believe the voting list was captured right before my change.

Not sure when you changed, but Scrub was not on the radar when your vote was on Nicats. So I could be wrong.

Habs seems to be switching around info to suit herself.

I am basing on how I see (or saw) the info.

That's where my vote is going.

Ahh, the retaliatory vote, that is always a good one!


Vas-y les Habs! J'y crois!
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oni5150*us


Posted: 06:29PM Nov 30, 2013

hey deb, trusting your work above. voting cab for now but still trying the code myself.
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dfamina


Posted: 06:40PM Nov 30, 2013

I'm worthless with ciphers, so I'll trust deb on this one. Voting cab.
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slammngirl92*us


Posted: 07:59PM Nov 30, 2013

Trusting deb.. voting cab. Nice work deb!

Fearless.
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oni5150*us


Posted: 08:00PM Nov 30, 2013

Deb, you are a genius! I could just kiss you right now!


glitter-graphics.com
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JayoAie


Posted: 03:38PM Dec 1, 2013

Yes the intel was correctly interpreted and the interlopers now only number 2

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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