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## Who's the Boss Game #2986

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Voting / Memo Discussion
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## Discussion of Round #3

### Round: 012  3  456

AuthorMessage

 Posted: 01:51AM Jul 20, 2013

Goodbye to Fleetwood, Chris, and Stewie.

Boss clue:

Gershom (red), Hepburn (green), and Ilion (blue) are playing a strange game of hopscotch. Gershom is allowed to move one step in any direction, including diagonally. Hepburn may move like a chess knight or move one step diagonally. Ilion may move one or two steps in any one direction, but not diagonally. Because Ilion meets his daily calcium requirements, he has strong bones and a powerful physique and is therefore able to move two steps by "jumping over" another player. Only one person may occupy a square at a time. The diagram below shows their starting positions. Quite predictably, Gershom goes first, followed by Hepburn, followed by Ilion. At the end of each player's turn, he writes down the number in the box in which he is standing. Assume that the boxes occupied by the three players at the start are blank. After five turns each, they total the five (or fewer, if they at any point landed on a blank box) numbers they each wrote down. If Gershom's total is greater than Ilion's, then what is the probability that Hepburn's total is greater than Gershom's?

"I don't regret a single thing that we did, any time together we ever spent. I wouldn't change a thing. Baby, you know, sometimes you gotta just go with the flow."
kmrutledge

 Posted: 03:30AM Jul 20, 2013

Okay all three of the fired people voted for buu so that means that buu is cleared right? Anyway, this seems like an extremely mind-boggling clue, so I will wait till i have time before I explain my answer. For now going to safety for StewieGriffin.
Cleared players:
Buu441?
Froggygg
did we ever figure out who the first clue cleared?

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect... but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey...stuff."-David Tennant, 10th Doctor.
buu441

 Posted: 05:04AM Jul 20, 2013

still haven't figured much from that clue. froggy is definitely clear. and i don't think three people would miss their vote, so i guess i should be pretty much cleared too

anyway, i am voting extremeblue....seemed very eager to get himself cleared from the first clue, even though others insisted that the clues aren't that easy.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!
freakshow07

 Posted: 08:17AM Jul 20, 2013

km idk how you're gonna safety for Stewie when he is fired........

Boss said all were mandatory firings shady is that true?

Think I'm gonna vote for km for the moment but ill change if anyone else comes up with something better.

Shoot me I'm probably a wolf. Especially if caberet is the Mod.
extremeblueness

 Posted: 08:52AM Jul 20, 2013

@buu its not that I'm eager to get myself cleared. but do you have any other suggestions for who the first clue could point to?

As far as I'm concerned, these are who are cleared:

buu441
froggygg
jervis
extremeblueness?

I should be really good at figuring this clue out. I'm great with probabilities.

---This message was edited on 2013-07-20 08:55:43---

"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." -Romans 12:2
Elios

 Posted: 08:53AM Jul 20, 2013

Popping in briefly; have some errands to run with my Mommy.

I'll have to go back and reread the end of last round, and not sure what to make of the firings. They Boss may just want us to believe they were all mandatories, but maybe only one was... Makes things confusing.

Going to safety for chang for now.

"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
jervis

 Posted: 08:59AM Jul 20, 2013

I'm also likely cleared.

The answer to the clue is:
Zero probability.

Gershom would go 9, 8, 9, 8...
Hepburn is forced to go: red, 6, 7, 6...
Ilion is forced to go: 2,1,2...

Gershom will always win, unless he purposely tries to lose. I assume that in this game of hopscotch all 3 are trying to win.

Now, this seems to be too straight forward. I notice that the 3 names start with G,H and I respectively. Will see where that takes me.
extremeblueness

 Posted: 09:03AM Jul 20, 2013

Also, may I point out that the only thing that we can find out from this is a number, so either the person has a number in their name, their b-day's on that number, their b-day's in that month, their b-day's in that year, or they're that age. May I point out that my username is letters only, and all that information about b-days and age is hidden about me?

edit: oh. i just realized that there's another possible number: join date. probably still isn't me, though. Its probably kaldridge or freakshow.

---This message was edited on 2013-07-20 09:06:00---

"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." -Romans 12:2
extremeblueness

 Posted: 09:39AM Jul 20, 2013

jervis wrote:
The answer to the clue is:
Zero probability.

Nope. Its not zero. This clue, as with many other probability puzzles, wants you to make a probability tree. Unfortunately, that tree has to be really huge.

"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." -Romans 12:2
extremeblueness

 Posted: 09:50AM Jul 20, 2013

This is too complicated. I'm gonna go with kaldridge, as not only are there two numbers, but 7% probability is just flat out unlikely in a game like this.

"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." -Romans 12:2
21kaldridge21

 Posted: 11:23AM Jul 20, 2013

I am terrible with these types of problems.

I am going to safety vote elios
froggygg

 Posted: 04:26PM Jul 20, 2013

I have no idea what that clue means! Since I have a very busy day today, I'm going to vote for freakshow07 so as not to be a mandatory if I don't get back.

Edit: Safety for freak confirmed. Also, I really think our boss was trying to throw us off by making it sound as if those fired were mandatory fires for not voting. Each of those fired stated they did vote for Buu.

---This message was edited on 2013-07-20 16:29:14---

SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
jervis

 Posted: 06:57PM Jul 20, 2013

Extremeblueness, you are assuming that this is a game of chance and not a game of skill. It's not randomisation for where they go, no dice rolling or card playing. Gershom goes first, thus would take the easy 9 points and it also blocks both players from entering the top scoring area. He then has choice of any of the other scoring options. 8 would be best as it blocks Hepburn from obtaining anything higher than 6. I think that by 3rd turn, Gershom gains at least 24 points and a minimum 6+8 final 2 rounds. Giving 38 Pts.
Maximum points regardless of moves by other players after Gershom takes the initial 9 is 0,8,9,8,9 = maximum 34 points.
I agree with you about the numbers. Although that may be a ruse to get us to work on a high level probability tree. However, it may be more to do with the names and not the numerical problem.

Gershom: son of Moses and Zippolota (sorry about spelling)
Hepburn: could this be one of the actresses? Audrey or Katherine?
Ilion: not sure on this. Name given to the ancient city of Troy, or could be something else.

Again look for connections. I think Gershom is a good starting point. There is not too much information about him in the Bible so not a lot of references to go through. There is speculation of the name meaning: stranger here is one possibility.

Movies that come to mind with Hepburns. Roman Holiday and Breakfast at Tiffanys and I think Mommy Dearest.

I am safety voting for kmrutledge.

 Posted: 06:58PM Jul 20, 2013

You know I can't confirm or deny the Boss's memo claims, freak.

I'm very sorry I forgot to say this at the beginning of the round, but the Round 1 clue is no longer applicable. I hope no one has been taking a second look at it.

"I don't regret a single thing that we did, any time together we ever spent. I wouldn't change a thing. Baby, you know, sometimes you gotta just go with the flow."
jervis

 Posted: 07:15PM Jul 20, 2013

Gershom is mentioned in:
Exodus 2:22 his birth and named " a foreigner in a foreign land"
Exodus 18:3
Judges 18:30
Chronicles 23:15
Chronicles 23:16
Chronicles 26:24
Ezra 8:2

Oohhhh. Maybe it is kmrutledge. US citizen living in Thailand. Foreigner in a foreign land quoted from Moses in the Bible referring to the name Gershom. Kmr is a missionary and so the Bible reference fits very well!

I can't piece together the names Hepburn and Ilion. Ilion is the name for the city Troy and it has a lot of history. Its also a town in US. Kmr lists history as an interest but I think that is a weak connection. Hepburn is also a Scottish family name or a town.

I will lock in a vote for kmr and I don't mind being in the majority this round.

I thought the psych question yesterday sounded female. A penguin is not really something a guy would be interested in having as a pet. I think most guys would have a few animals on their list higher than a penguin ( though I reckon a penguin would definitely be fun to have. I'd have gone for an elephant or a poisonous snake or one of the big cats. Big or dangerous.

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jervis

 Posted: 07:24PM Jul 20, 2013

You know I can't confirm or deny the Boss's memo claims, freak.

I'm very sorry I forgot to say this at the beginning of the round, but the Round 1 clue is no longer applicable. I hope no one has been taking a second look at it.

Lol, no, I'd given up. But that is very helpful.
I think now it pointed to Fleetwood... Album: Behind the Mask. First song: Skies the limit. Artist: Fleetwood Mac! very good clues Shady!
changhill

 Posted: 08:30PM Jul 20, 2013

Great work jervis. And great clues Shadow... I am an amateur. Sorry I haven't been around much lately...

I will join you on your vote, jervis (if you don't mind) and vote KMR

*rawr*
21kaldridge21

 Posted: 08:43PM Jul 20, 2013

21kaldridge21 ----- kmrutledge
buu441 ----- extremeblueness
changhill ----- kmrutledge
Elios ----- changhill
extremeblueness ----- 21kaldridge21
freakshow07 ----- kmrutledge
froggygg ----- freakshow07
jervis ----- kmrutledge
kmrutledge ----- ???StewieGriffon???

Majority Vote
MoO Vote
False Vote

i am changing to kmrutledge to help with the majority.

---This message was edited on 2013-07-20 20:44:40---

 Posted: 10:04PM Jul 20, 2013

Thanks, jervis, but that still doesn't explain the two creepy faces in the picture. Since PianistChris is out of the game, I might as well let you all know that there is a pianist/composer named Christopher Goddard who composed a piece called "Two-Faced Sky".

"I don't regret a single thing that we did, any time together we ever spent. I wouldn't change a thing. Baby, you know, sometimes you gotta just go with the flow."
froggygg

 Posted: 01:20AM Jul 21, 2013

Joining majority on kmrutledge. Gotta go fast and change vote.

Edit: Vote for kmrutledge confirmed and locked in. Hope we are right and still here in the next round!

Good work on the clues everyone - obviously I really do not do well on clues...

---This message was edited on 2013-07-21 01:22:21---

SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
jervis

 Posted: 03:53AM Jul 21, 2013

It just helps to try and work together on the clues if possible. Little bits of info help where others may have missed. So even if you're not good at puzzles, a little research can help.

Ok. So I'm in a majority despite being cleared - which is what I wanted. No problem as I think maybe kmr was the boss. I think if kmr isn't the boss then perhaps it is extremeblueness. Last game I was keen to get myself cleared as I was the boss but I didnt have the rat to assist me. I remember I focused a lot of my energy on trying to get myself cleared or look as innocent as I could. Extremeblueness is focusing a lot on himself being clear rather than be too worried who the boss is.

---This message was edited on 2013-07-21 04:00:08---
kmrutledge

 Posted: 09:17AM Jul 21, 2013

I did not mean to put stewies name there. sorry i did vote for someone but can't tell you now. Thanks for clearing me anyways

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect... but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey...stuff."-David Tennant, 10th Doctor.
buu441

 Posted: 09:29AM Jul 21, 2013

sorry i couldn't get online again this round. i was away at my grandma's place and we don't have a broadband connection there.

Leo: Hold on. This is gonna hurt. Coach Hedge: I was BORN for HURT!!