The Werewolf Game
Game #2156: C&I(XV) Here come the cowboys
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This game finished in 8 rounds.
Reserved for mod : taking up the weight for Vlerma.
Thanks LogRog.
No Indian was shot in the making of the last round. Yep brad was a cowboy. Sorry to see our cowboy behind a tree get shot down. Yep ICU(not literally) was our seer. Oh well, nothing we can do now.
Sorry for not posting about the seer earlier. I did not have time earlier, but our seer is gone.
Maybe you will get an indian this time?...Maybe???
Good Luck.
Stewie.
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Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Thanks LogRog.
No Indian was shot in the making of the last round. Yep brad was a cowboy. Sorry to see our cowboy behind a tree get shot down. Yep ICU(not literally) was our seer. Oh well, nothing we can do now.
Sorry for not posting about the seer earlier. I did not have time earlier, but our seer is gone.
Maybe you will get an indian this time?...Maybe???
Good Luck.
Stewie.
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Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
The round started about ten hours early, so it seems that all the wolves are active. I'll wait to see if we shot a wolf or not.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Thanks Roger. Oh my baby got eaten. Darned hungry wolves anyhow. I just hope we at least got a wolf in exchange for ICU.
The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
vlerma wrote:
Bobbie was human like all the rest .... Seams to me a mama wolf would eat her "baby" if she needed to. This post look too much like a cover to me, A good one, I mean who would eat their own. The emotional game play that could be here just don't sit right with me.
Voting you for now V unless I can be swayed, my vote will remain.
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Thanks Roger. Oh my baby got eaten. Darned hungry wolves anyhow. I just hope we at least got a wolf in exchange for ICU.
Bobbie was human like all the rest .... Seams to me a mama wolf would eat her "baby" if she needed to. This post look too much like a cover to me, A good one, I mean who would eat their own. The emotional game play that could be here just don't sit right with me.
Voting you for now V unless I can be swayed, my vote will remain.
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I was really hoping that the computer would choose a wolf from the tie that I put back into place at the end of the round, but I see we had no such luck. Even though I strongly felt Pal was a wolf and voted for him until the last minutes of the round, I changed my vote and put the tie back in place. There was a reason for that and which is also a reason I am not surprised to see ICU was eaten.
When I was going back through the round late yesterday afternoon, I happened to notice that ICU had been leaving comments in white in most of her posts. Even though, if they were clues, I could not figure out who those clues were about. However, her last post really made me feel she was our Seer. I obviously did not say anything because that is a sure fire way to get a possible Seer eaten. On the chance that ICU was the Seer and was voting for Bobbi, I figured I could at least tie up the votes and let the computer pick. Looks like ICU was not our Seer or that she had not divined a wolf yet - only humans and was guessing at Bobby.
Here is her white text in case she really was our Seer. I've put what was white in red here:
This is the one that really made me think ICU was our Seer:
If ICU was really our Seer, can anyone make any sense out of what she was trying to say as possible clues?
Stewie, you usually tell us if our Seer has been eaten. So, am I correct that ICU was our Seer?
I'm going to wait until there is some discussion here before I decide where to place my vote. Since we still have 4 wolves lurking about, we really need to get it right from this point on.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
When I was going back through the round late yesterday afternoon, I happened to notice that ICU had been leaving comments in white in most of her posts. Even though, if they were clues, I could not figure out who those clues were about. However, her last post really made me feel she was our Seer. I obviously did not say anything because that is a sure fire way to get a possible Seer eaten. On the chance that ICU was the Seer and was voting for Bobbi, I figured I could at least tie up the votes and let the computer pick. Looks like ICU was not our Seer or that she had not divined a wolf yet - only humans and was guessing at Bobby.
Here is her white text in case she really was our Seer. I've put what was white in red here:
So....mom, how does this happen? Seems like you're always here when a new round begins....hmmm..... firstdayofsummerongoldengate
Oh....I'm dazed.....again... above me by 55
Now see? This is why everyone's so quiet. We're all scared to death to talk, for fear of sounding suspicious. Some days, I sound and look guilty as sin....but in all reality....I'm not. I think the wolves are just sitting around waiting to pick out a hurried and incautious human. *looking over at auntiesis and vlerma*...you both look mighty hungry to me. Voting for auntiesis.Dungeons&Dragons
This is the one that really made me think ICU was our Seer:
Good morning Braingle!
Each night, before I laid down to sleep...I prayed to the Wolves, my soul they'd keep...That if I died before I wake...I'd get out clues for you to take...
Each night, before I laid down to sleep...I prayed to the Wolves, my soul they'd keep...That if I died before I wake...I'd get out clues for you to take...
If ICU was really our Seer, can anyone make any sense out of what she was trying to say as possible clues?
Stewie, you usually tell us if our Seer has been eaten. So, am I correct that ICU was our Seer?
I'm going to wait until there is some discussion here before I decide where to place my vote. Since we still have 4 wolves lurking about, we really need to get it right from this point on.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
morning
good catch frog, i hate white posts, i never think to look for them, i will look over some people's pages
edit: i learned some things about ya'll
ok golden gate is that san fran? if so wolverine is there
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good catch frog, i hate white posts, i never think to look for them, i will look over some people's pages
edit: i learned some things about ya'll
ok golden gate is that san fran? if so wolverine is there
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Froggy, that is a great observation! I had also noticed her last hidden message but not the ones before, and it does seem possible that she was our Seer.
I don't know what the first day of summer on golden gate might mean. The summer solstice this year was on June 21, so perhaps somebody was vacationing or visiting San Francisco, specifically the Golden Gate Bridge, around that time?
The above by 55 message also has me stumped. ICUB42 has the number 42 in her username, so 55 above that would be 97, which doesn't match anyone. I also checked number of TWG games played and overall score, neither of which led to anything.
I think I may be a little biased in my interpretation of the Dungeons & Dragons clue due to my previous suspicions, but Paladin is a character class in said game. Nonetheless, this seems to be a pretty clear indicator of whom she meant, I think. However...
Another problem is, even assuming she is the Seer, we do not know which clues are pointing at wolves or which are clearing humans, which also makes our position rather risky.
Oh, and ICUB42, if the Seer, could not have known any identities on the first day, but beginning with round two, she voted for vlerma, catmandon, and Bobbi; the latter two we know to be incorrect.
"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it, however." - Richard Bach
I don't know what the first day of summer on golden gate might mean. The summer solstice this year was on June 21, so perhaps somebody was vacationing or visiting San Francisco, specifically the Golden Gate Bridge, around that time?
The above by 55 message also has me stumped. ICUB42 has the number 42 in her username, so 55 above that would be 97, which doesn't match anyone. I also checked number of TWG games played and overall score, neither of which led to anything.
I think I may be a little biased in my interpretation of the Dungeons & Dragons clue due to my previous suspicions, but Paladin is a character class in said game. Nonetheless, this seems to be a pretty clear indicator of whom she meant, I think. However...
Another problem is, even assuming she is the Seer, we do not know which clues are pointing at wolves or which are clearing humans, which also makes our position rather risky.
Oh, and ICUB42, if the Seer, could not have known any identities on the first day, but beginning with round two, she voted for vlerma, catmandon, and Bobbi; the latter two we know to be incorrect.
"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it, however." - Richard Bach
If I'm reading it correctly, ICU was indeed our seer... at first the "not literally" threw me, but I think that was just a whimsical play on her name. At any rate, knowing ICU was our seer now, I need to go back and read all her posts. The clues left in white are interesting (excellent catch froggy!!!)
BBS...
Edit 1: Ok, I think I cracked one of the clues (although this is a rough guess). The "above me by 55" struck me as odd, and being very specific, then I remembered Braingle point ratings, so I decided to look at her position in the ranking tables. Today she is 80. So 55 above 80 would be 25 (at first, my groggy morning head thought 35). 4demo is closest to that, but is currently 29. I don't think numbers in the rankings change that often, especially when there are nearly 4000 points between 25 and 29 (where 4demo is). So I decided to look the other direction. 80 + 55 is 135, and lo and behold, that is me.
So it seems the "above me by 55" certainly points to me. As 4demo pointed out, we don't know which clues point to wolves and which clues clear humans. But in round 4, where she posted the clue, and it was a 2 way tie between myself and bobbi, she did not vote for me but voted for bobbi, who was human.
Obviously she had divined and cleared me, but had not yet divined bobbi.
Edit 2: "First day of summer" is June 21, or 06/21, or many other combinations. "On golden gate" refers to a bridge or San Francisco. Looking for a link here, checking profiles. ... ok back for additional edit; the "first day of summer on golden gate" definitely points to wolverine (member since June 21 and from San Francisco). Based on the previous clue about me being a clearing clue, I think this is likely to be a clearing clue as well, but it is hard to tell for sure.
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"The greatest cause of unhappiness in the world today is trading what we want most for what we want now."
BBS...
Edit 1: Ok, I think I cracked one of the clues (although this is a rough guess). The "above me by 55" struck me as odd, and being very specific, then I remembered Braingle point ratings, so I decided to look at her position in the ranking tables. Today she is 80. So 55 above 80 would be 25 (at first, my groggy morning head thought 35). 4demo is closest to that, but is currently 29. I don't think numbers in the rankings change that often, especially when there are nearly 4000 points between 25 and 29 (where 4demo is). So I decided to look the other direction. 80 + 55 is 135, and lo and behold, that is me.
So it seems the "above me by 55" certainly points to me. As 4demo pointed out, we don't know which clues point to wolves and which clues clear humans. But in round 4, where she posted the clue, and it was a 2 way tie between myself and bobbi, she did not vote for me but voted for bobbi, who was human.
Obviously she had divined and cleared me, but had not yet divined bobbi.
Edit 2: "First day of summer" is June 21, or 06/21, or many other combinations. "On golden gate" refers to a bridge or San Francisco. Looking for a link here, checking profiles. ... ok back for additional edit; the "first day of summer on golden gate" definitely points to wolverine (member since June 21 and from San Francisco). Based on the previous clue about me being a clearing clue, I think this is likely to be a clearing clue as well, but it is hard to tell for sure.
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"The greatest cause of unhappiness in the world today is trading what we want most for what we want now."
Great interpretations of the clues demo and Pal. However, we need to figure out if those clues were clearing people or pointing the finger at them.
Taking it a little further, in her last post with white text, her actual post said:
She was pretty much stressing that she was Human. She went on to say that everyone was so quiet because we were scared to talk for fear we would say the wrong thing and sound suspicious. Was she saying that those who look suspicious are in reality Human like she was? Were the clues actually clearing ones? Look at the way she put auntiesis and vlerma within * *. Was this her way of saying that both auntie and vlerma are wolves and the white text was a clearing clue for a Human?
These are her round votes:
Round 1 - Vlerma
Round 2 - Vlerma
Round 3 - Cat - joined the majority
Round 4 - Bobby
If she was the Seer, she would only have had the opportunity to have divined 3 players. Any of you who have been the Seer can correct me if I am wrong here since I have never been the Seer in all the games I've played! She would have received her first reveal in Round 2, 2nd reveal in Round 3, and her final reveal in Round 4. So, how many clues do we have? We have 3 clues plus the one where she basically says she is the Seer. So, she was giving us 3 clues for her 3 divinations. I have a feeling that she divined 3 Humans and those were clearing clues. I could be wrong, but the logic works. Therefore, if the interpretations of demo and Pal are correct, it appears that Wolverine (golden gate clue and 6-21 clue) and Pal (D&D clue) could be cleared as Humans.
Pal, I don't follow your logic on the "above 55" clue. ICU is ranked 187 in the rankings of the entire site, which would put the 55 above her at 132 which is jppbl. I don't think it refers to the points either since those change for most several times over on a daily basis. So, I'm off to do research.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Taking it a little further, in her last post with white text, her actual post said:
Now see? This is why everyone's so quiet. We're all scared to death to talk, for fear of sounding suspicious. Some days, I sound and look guilty as sin....but in all reality....I'm not. I think the wolves are just sitting around waiting to pick out a hurried and incautious human. *looking over at auntiesis and vlerma*...you both look mighty hungry to me. Voting for auntiesis.Dungeons&Dragons
She was pretty much stressing that she was Human. She went on to say that everyone was so quiet because we were scared to talk for fear we would say the wrong thing and sound suspicious. Was she saying that those who look suspicious are in reality Human like she was? Were the clues actually clearing ones? Look at the way she put auntiesis and vlerma within * *. Was this her way of saying that both auntie and vlerma are wolves and the white text was a clearing clue for a Human?
These are her round votes:
Round 1 - Vlerma
Round 2 - Vlerma
Round 3 - Cat - joined the majority
Round 4 - Bobby
If she was the Seer, she would only have had the opportunity to have divined 3 players. Any of you who have been the Seer can correct me if I am wrong here since I have never been the Seer in all the games I've played! She would have received her first reveal in Round 2, 2nd reveal in Round 3, and her final reveal in Round 4. So, how many clues do we have? We have 3 clues plus the one where she basically says she is the Seer. So, she was giving us 3 clues for her 3 divinations. I have a feeling that she divined 3 Humans and those were clearing clues. I could be wrong, but the logic works. Therefore, if the interpretations of demo and Pal are correct, it appears that Wolverine (golden gate clue and 6-21 clue) and Pal (D&D clue) could be cleared as Humans.
Pal, I don't follow your logic on the "above 55" clue. ICU is ranked 187 in the rankings of the entire site, which would put the 55 above her at 132 which is jppbl. I don't think it refers to the points either since those change for most several times over on a daily basis. So, I'm off to do research.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Dang, well I was right again. I hate being responsible for getting a human shot. Fortunately the weekend is coming up which should give me a little more time to be active.
First of all I wanted to say that I didn't think adrena was the seer, I actually suspected her. But no wolf would claim to NOT be the seer.
Oh and to LR, I'm not an odd human but rather an inactive human. Like I keep pointing out, I have not been able to read every post so I don't have much to go on with my suspicions. With the weekend coming up, I should be able to catch up more. Oh and I also wanted to mention that wolves have a tendency to hone in on one person with very long posts. You had some good points against me and I would probably suspect me too. But it really seems like your trying to find reasons to accuse me just to accuse me and get another human shot. It might be dangerous because I think more people are going to be more likely to agree with you, but I'm going to go ahead and vote for you, LR.
EDIT: Just for the heck of it, if I get shot or eaten then you guys will know who my suspicions were:
Possible wolves from the posts I've read:
4demo
debc1
LogicalRoger
vlerma
Wolverine115
Probably humans:
adrena
Paladin
ppjones
And have no idea one way or the other:
auntiesis
froggygg
Hadleigh
Sorry I don't have many good reasons for these suspicions but if you look back at the games I've played, I often can't give good reasons for my suspicions but end up being right anyways.
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First of all I wanted to say that I didn't think adrena was the seer, I actually suspected her. But no wolf would claim to NOT be the seer.
Oh and to LR, I'm not an odd human but rather an inactive human. Like I keep pointing out, I have not been able to read every post so I don't have much to go on with my suspicions. With the weekend coming up, I should be able to catch up more. Oh and I also wanted to mention that wolves have a tendency to hone in on one person with very long posts. You had some good points against me and I would probably suspect me too. But it really seems like your trying to find reasons to accuse me just to accuse me and get another human shot. It might be dangerous because I think more people are going to be more likely to agree with you, but I'm going to go ahead and vote for you, LR.
EDIT: Just for the heck of it, if I get shot or eaten then you guys will know who my suspicions were:
Possible wolves from the posts I've read:
4demo
debc1
LogicalRoger
vlerma
Wolverine115
Probably humans:
adrena
Paladin
ppjones
And have no idea one way or the other:
auntiesis
froggygg
Hadleigh
Sorry I don't have many good reasons for these suspicions but if you look back at the games I've played, I often can't give good reasons for my suspicions but end up being right anyways.
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Sorry to double post, but the above post is too long to add to it. I've been looking through all remaining players to see if I can figure out the "above 55" clue. So far, I've checked scores, rankings, game scores, post counts, etc. The only thing I have found is that ppj has played 100 TWG and ICU has played 45. If you add 45 + 55 = 100. Could this be the clue she was trying to tell us of the identity of another Human?
So, if we take the golden gate clue as being Wolverine, the above 55 clue being ppj, and the Dungeons & Dragons clue as pointing to Pal, could these be divined Humans? In none of the rounds did ICU vote for any of these three players.
Logic points to these three as being cleared Humans. I could be wrong, but it just looks like she didn't get lucky and divine a wolf. Also, it seems that Wolverine and ppj are usually wolves in many of our games, so I can see why she would divine them right away. As for Pal, I'm not sure of his wolf vs human stats. Maybe she just suspected him more than others.
If I go on this cleared logic, then it looks like ICU suspected vlerma and auntie. However, if she had not divined a wolf (assuming the three clues were for cleared players), then she was just guessing as well.
All in all, I have no clue who to vote for! I'll be back later after I run some errands to see if anyone has come up with anything else. Maybe it's time to really look at the voting patterns, which I'm terrible at picking apart.
Edit: Well, I didn't end up double posting after all!
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SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
So, if we take the golden gate clue as being Wolverine, the above 55 clue being ppj, and the Dungeons & Dragons clue as pointing to Pal, could these be divined Humans? In none of the rounds did ICU vote for any of these three players.
Logic points to these three as being cleared Humans. I could be wrong, but it just looks like she didn't get lucky and divine a wolf. Also, it seems that Wolverine and ppj are usually wolves in many of our games, so I can see why she would divine them right away. As for Pal, I'm not sure of his wolf vs human stats. Maybe she just suspected him more than others.
If I go on this cleared logic, then it looks like ICU suspected vlerma and auntie. However, if she had not divined a wolf (assuming the three clues were for cleared players), then she was just guessing as well.
All in all, I have no clue who to vote for! I'll be back later after I run some errands to see if anyone has come up with anything else. Maybe it's time to really look at the voting patterns, which I'm terrible at picking apart.
Edit: Well, I didn't end up double posting after all!
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SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
v. above me by 55 Hmmm. Everyone has been doing some pretty good digging and supposing. Good job Froggy. I got a bit suspicious when I noticed the unclaimed edits. Usually when one edits something it is done shortly after the post. So yes, I do believe Sissy was our seer. And since everyone seems to pick on ppjones I started looking there for the above clue. Mr. Jones has played 55 more Werewolf games than ICUB. And since ICUB singled out Auntiesis and myself in her one post with the Astrix, and I know I am human, it is my contention that she was divining wolves - 3 hints 3 wolves - which one do we shoot first.
Thanks to the rest of you solving the clues to Paladin and Wolverine, and I uncovered the clue to Mr. Jones, I am quite sure I will be put to rest in a horrible way at the end of this round, Other than my being accused of being too sharp to play stupid, sorry folks, I did explain the mix up. Also I think if you go back to some of Stewie's other games of C & I, the Indians were always the good guys, and I have played in a lot of the C & I games, so that is why I missed that this time the Indians were the wolves. Hopefully that will clear up any human's doubts about me. I goofed and felt like such a fool, I played a fool - but a human one. I believe we have been shown the identity of three of our four wolves by our seer, and all we have to figure out is how to keep enough humans alive to get the three we know about shot and hopefully see who the 4th one is.
Edit Well it looks like Froggy and I were both scouring things at the same time to come up with Mr. Jones. All I can do is say yes our seer *Auntiesis and vlerma* and voted for Auntiesis, and yet before the votes went for count she changed her vote to Bobbi. Now if she was divining us as wolves, she would not have changed would she? The would have fouled up what she was trying to do.....I know I am going to be eaten because I am human. Honest!
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The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
Thanks to the rest of you solving the clues to Paladin and Wolverine, and I uncovered the clue to Mr. Jones, I am quite sure I will be put to rest in a horrible way at the end of this round, Other than my being accused of being too sharp to play stupid, sorry folks, I did explain the mix up. Also I think if you go back to some of Stewie's other games of C & I, the Indians were always the good guys, and I have played in a lot of the C & I games, so that is why I missed that this time the Indians were the wolves. Hopefully that will clear up any human's doubts about me. I goofed and felt like such a fool, I played a fool - but a human one. I believe we have been shown the identity of three of our four wolves by our seer, and all we have to figure out is how to keep enough humans alive to get the three we know about shot and hopefully see who the 4th one is.
Edit Well it looks like Froggy and I were both scouring things at the same time to come up with Mr. Jones. All I can do is say yes our seer *Auntiesis and vlerma* and voted for Auntiesis, and yet before the votes went for count she changed her vote to Bobbi. Now if she was divining us as wolves, she would not have changed would she? The would have fouled up what she was trying to do.....I know I am going to be eaten because I am human. Honest!
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The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
Grayma, I had already put the ppj clue together in the post above you. What I find as suspicious is how you are so sure that the clues are to Wolves and not Humans. If they are indeed Wolf clues, then why did ICU not vote for Pal, Wolverine, or ppj in any of the rounds? I may be wrong, but I still believe that those clues are for cleared Humans and not Wolves. In addition, it is demo, Pal, and myself who stuck our necks out trying to solve these clues knowing full well that it could make us all look like Wolves since a few of us feel that the clues are clearing 3 Humans - not 3 Wolves.
Also, you state that you had noticed the "unclaimed edits" and were suspicious. Could this be that you were suspicious that ICU was our Seer and the reason she was eaten that very night?
If you really read her post, she referred to both you and auntie as "looking mighty hungry". This does not sound like she was trying to tell us that you were Human. I don't think ICU was successful in divining any of our Wolves, but did divine three Humans. Her comment about both you and auntie was what she thought at that point - not from successful divining.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Also, you state that you had noticed the "unclaimed edits" and were suspicious. Could this be that you were suspicious that ICU was our Seer and the reason she was eaten that very night?
And since ICUB singled out Auntiesis and myself in her one post with the Astrix, and I know I am human, it is my contention that she was divining wolves - 3 hints 3 wolves - which one do we shoot first.
If you really read her post, she referred to both you and auntie as "looking mighty hungry". This does not sound like she was trying to tell us that you were Human. I don't think ICU was successful in divining any of our Wolves, but did divine three Humans. Her comment about both you and auntie was what she thought at that point - not from successful divining.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Hmm. Although we can sort of use ICU's confirmed seer status as a lead in the right direction, it doesn't seem like she was having wonderful luck identifying the wolves, which makes sense, as noted, why she voted for certain humans hoping they were wolves and why she kept her identity secret. I just wish we had something solid, but unfortunately we still have to guess.
Seeing as how ICU pretty much confirmed she was seer with the last post in white (and possibly lead to her getting shot? it's always possible if the wolves are reading white, good thing I'm not a wolf, as I didn't notice them at all) I wish she could have just told us, in white, what the clues meant instead of being so cryptic, assuming she was to be shot due to her suspicious posts.
Unfortunately I'm not good with these clues, and while I have tried to figure out what "55 above me" means, I haven't really found anything myself and like the other clues I'll just have to hope you guys are deciphering them correctly. But I'll try to take them with a grain of salt due to the possibility of a wolf "solving" a clue.
Vlerma, I really don't think that ICU had the extreme good fortunes of uncovering three wolves. That would be hitting the right target three times in a row, very unlikely. Not to mention that if she knew the three wolves she'd hopefully have been more conclusive in the clues or would have just come right out and told us (three wolves is very good for a seer and would mean much less human deaths). Since she still did it privately and voted incorrectly I doubt she picked the wolves. I don't think anyone thinks, or should think at least, that you're suspicious due to a small slip-up over Cowboy-Native American role confusion. Your suspicious nature is for different factors. And while I'm much more suspicious of you now than previously, I wonder why ICU wouldn't have divined you. ICU seemed to be suspicious of you for most of the game, so why wouldn't she try to divine you? I can only hope that one of the clearing clues she posted leads to Vlerma.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Seeing as how ICU pretty much confirmed she was seer with the last post in white (and possibly lead to her getting shot? it's always possible if the wolves are reading white, good thing I'm not a wolf, as I didn't notice them at all) I wish she could have just told us, in white, what the clues meant instead of being so cryptic, assuming she was to be shot due to her suspicious posts.
Unfortunately I'm not good with these clues, and while I have tried to figure out what "55 above me" means, I haven't really found anything myself and like the other clues I'll just have to hope you guys are deciphering them correctly. But I'll try to take them with a grain of salt due to the possibility of a wolf "solving" a clue.
Vlerma, I really don't think that ICU had the extreme good fortunes of uncovering three wolves. That would be hitting the right target three times in a row, very unlikely. Not to mention that if she knew the three wolves she'd hopefully have been more conclusive in the clues or would have just come right out and told us (three wolves is very good for a seer and would mean much less human deaths). Since she still did it privately and voted incorrectly I doubt she picked the wolves. I don't think anyone thinks, or should think at least, that you're suspicious due to a small slip-up over Cowboy-Native American role confusion. Your suspicious nature is for different factors. And while I'm much more suspicious of you now than previously, I wonder why ICU wouldn't have divined you. ICU seemed to be suspicious of you for most of the game, so why wouldn't she try to divine you? I can only hope that one of the clearing clues she posted leads to Vlerma.
But it really seems like your trying to find reasons to accuse me just to accuse me
Yes, I conceded this in that post, that my inclination for you might have biased the data I was viewing. You might indeed be a human with fallacious logic rather than a speedy wolf. But I still think you're one of the best possibilities currently. Unless something better comes up I'm putting in a vote for Lance. (I was going to do so already, as stated last round; it's interesting how you chose me to shoot instead of your other suspects, likely because your other suspects don't seem to suspect you?)Dang, well I was right again.
This just strikes me as humourous. You're a wolf, you know who the humans are, of course you're right again!
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Just to add to what everyone is saying. I agree ICU was the seer, but I have a hard time thinking any seer would have the good fortune of divining three wolves in three rounds. Are they clearing clues, or are the wolf clues.
Here is one piece of evidence that I am basing my decision on, last round ICU had the choice between Pal and Bobbi...
ICU wrote last round:
That's all the proof I need to suggest these are clearing clues since two of them potentially point to Pal and ICU still voted for Bobbi. I will be voting for Vlerma again this round.
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The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Here is one piece of evidence that I am basing my decision on, last round ICU had the choice between Pal and Bobbi...
ICU wrote last round:
Well I'm sorry, Bobbi. I just don't think Pal's a wolf...that's all. We've lost enough humans/cowboys.
That's all the proof I need to suggest these are clearing clues since two of them potentially point to Pal and ICU still voted for Bobbi. I will be voting for Vlerma again this round.
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The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
froggygg wrote:
Go to the community page, under "User Rankings" click the "full listing" hyperlink, then go to page 6. You will see ICU listed as overall ranked 80. Then go 55 back and I am currently 135 (80 + 55 = 135). I could be wrong on this interpretation of the clue, but it seems awfully coincidental to be wrong.
"The greatest cause of unhappiness in the world today is trading what we want most for what we want now."
Pal, I don't follow your logic on the "above 55" clue. ICU is ranked 187 in the rankings of the entire site, which would put the 55 above her at 132 which is jppbl. I don't think it refers to the points either since those change for most several times over on a daily basis. So, I'm off to do research.
Go to the community page, under "User Rankings" click the "full listing" hyperlink, then go to page 6. You will see ICU listed as overall ranked 80. Then go 55 back and I am currently 135 (80 + 55 = 135). I could be wrong on this interpretation of the clue, but it seems awfully coincidental to be wrong.
"The greatest cause of unhappiness in the world today is trading what we want most for what we want now."
ppjones wrote:
OK had to say something here LOL game 2112 (HEHE love the #) I had 4 tries at seeing the wolves and got 3 in a row. Then to top it off I was heading for freak when they ate me. So 4 out of 5 divines I would have nabbed all the wolves. Changing vote to Wolverine.
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I have a hard time thinking any seer would have the good fortune of divining three wolves in three rounds.
OK had to say something here LOL game 2112 (HEHE love the #) I had 4 tries at seeing the wolves and got 3 in a row. Then to top it off I was heading for freak when they ate me. So 4 out of 5 divines I would have nabbed all the wolves. Changing vote to Wolverine.
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I am pretty sure the clue for wolverine was also a clearing clue, so I'm going to vote for grayma. I will keep tabs on the convo here and change my vote as needed.
"The greatest cause of unhappiness in the world today is trading what we want most for what we want now."
"The greatest cause of unhappiness in the world today is trading what we want most for what we want now."
hey
going with v again
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going with v again
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I have to agree that grayma seems like the logical choice this round. I do see that Stewie has verified that ICU was our Seer. Now, if we are right that the clues she gave us were clues clearing Humans.
Unless something else comes to light to change my mind, I'm voting for grayma. I will keep checking back throughout the round for any additional thoughts.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Unless something else comes to light to change my mind, I'm voting for grayma. I will keep checking back throughout the round for any additional thoughts.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
I'm still confused. If ICU was legitimately suspicious about Vlerma in round one, then why didn't she divine her? If she did we'd have a clue leading to her, especially if she was a wolf. Sorry if I sound ungrateful, ICU, any help is good. My confusion just tends to get the better of me.
Can you three voting for Vlerma maybe explain a bit more why she is the likeliest wolf? ICU didn't seem, at least to me, to have found her out via divination, so it's sketchy at best. And even then couldn't it be Auntiesis as well? Just curious as to why Vlerma has to be the one.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Can you three voting for Vlerma maybe explain a bit more why she is the likeliest wolf? ICU didn't seem, at least to me, to have found her out via divination, so it's sketchy at best. And even then couldn't it be Auntiesis as well? Just curious as to why Vlerma has to be the one.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Keep confusing me I thought 2 clues lead to Wolverine being a wolf?
Not knowing what to do I'll sit for now still plenty if time. I'll just jump a bandwagon, to avoid pointing anymore of my fingers. (useless human) stop calling me that! (lazy human) So not true! (look at you talking to yourself) Fine I wont talk to you Meanie. (you're a bore) Can't hear you. (look I'm not touching you) good, Now go a way. (no) yes. (Make me) Fine I will......(good) *smoosh*dam bug....=P
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Not knowing what to do I'll sit for now still plenty if time. I'll just jump a bandwagon, to avoid pointing anymore of my fingers. (useless human) stop calling me that! (lazy human) So not true! (look at you talking to yourself) Fine I wont talk to you Meanie. (you're a bore) Can't hear you. (look I'm not touching you) good, Now go a way. (no) yes. (Make me) Fine I will......(good) *smoosh*dam bug....=P
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So many posts to read and so much info has come to hand via ICU and Stewie has confirmed that she was our seer.
This is very confusing. Are they clearing clues that she left or wolfie clues.
I've got to go to work shortly, this is just such a busy time for me in RL at the moment. I don't feel like I am really pulling my weight in this game.
Edit: I've just read back where you guys have tried to decipher the clues. If ICU divined Pally as a wolf why didn't she vote for him last round instead of Bobbi. Those clues must be clearing clues not wolfie clues. It's all way too much info for my muddled brain to comprehend right now. There is still more than a day to go and we don't have the seer to protect anymore so I'll be back hopefully at lunch time.
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Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes. - Oscar Wilde
This is very confusing. Are they clearing clues that she left or wolfie clues.
I've got to go to work shortly, this is just such a busy time for me in RL at the moment. I don't feel like I am really pulling my weight in this game.
Edit: I've just read back where you guys have tried to decipher the clues. If ICU divined Pally as a wolf why didn't she vote for him last round instead of Bobbi. Those clues must be clearing clues not wolfie clues. It's all way too much info for my muddled brain to comprehend right now. There is still more than a day to go and we don't have the seer to protect anymore so I'll be back hopefully at lunch time.
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Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes. - Oscar Wilde
Why is it so impossible for you to believe ICU got three wolfy names in a row. Or maybe I just don't understand what a seer does. What she gets three clues, right? 1in round 2, 1 in round 3, and 1 in round 4. And she said if she didn't survive the night at least she had gotten her clues out. Does a seer get names of both a wolf and a human? If so how can you be certain that all three clues point to humans. Is it not possible that ICU did not vote for Palidin because she was hoping the computer would pick him and she would not have to make it so obvious that she was the seer?
Sorry, I started this about an hour ago. RL interrupted me so now I am trying to realign my thoughts. Ok, my daughter and I play in games together all the time. We have had some people who may not come right out and say things, but they have let it be known they are suspicious of us. Therefore a decision was made that one of us would vote for the other one once in a while. It is kind of like watching a demo derby. Two team mates bang the heck out of all the other cars, but when it comes down to three cars, the only car getting hit is the one that wasn't one of the team mates. So rather than returning the favor of being voted for I just kept my mouth shut so hopefully others would not think we were playing partners.
And yes, Froggy, I realize you had figured out the clue to Mr. Jones. I had started writing what I had to say way before you posted things. Sorry today has been a bad day, just a personal thing, but I can take three hours at times to write something. My son had surgery yesterday so it has been kinda one phone call after another here.
So everyone is voting for me, generally, but again I say because I know I am human you are all making another mistake of killing another rather than believing the clues were not divining humans, but naming wolves.
By the by, I started this post at 83 PM So sorry for all the wasted time.
The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
Sorry, I started this about an hour ago. RL interrupted me so now I am trying to realign my thoughts. Ok, my daughter and I play in games together all the time. We have had some people who may not come right out and say things, but they have let it be known they are suspicious of us. Therefore a decision was made that one of us would vote for the other one once in a while. It is kind of like watching a demo derby. Two team mates bang the heck out of all the other cars, but when it comes down to three cars, the only car getting hit is the one that wasn't one of the team mates. So rather than returning the favor of being voted for I just kept my mouth shut so hopefully others would not think we were playing partners.
And yes, Froggy, I realize you had figured out the clue to Mr. Jones. I had started writing what I had to say way before you posted things. Sorry today has been a bad day, just a personal thing, but I can take three hours at times to write something. My son had surgery yesterday so it has been kinda one phone call after another here.
So everyone is voting for me, generally, but again I say because I know I am human you are all making another mistake of killing another rather than believing the clues were not divining humans, but naming wolves.
By the by, I started this post at 83 PM So sorry for all the wasted time.
The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
HAHA trust me LR, if I was a wolf, I would not say that I was "right again" because that would draw too much attention to me. But whenever I'm a human, I tend to not be as careful because I get a bit bored as a human. But true, it would be hilarious that I would say that if I was a wolf lol.
And I voted for you this round because you were my top suspect. I just put my suspects in alphabetical order because I copied and pasted from the list on the voting page. I didn't think about putting them in any specific order. And it would also be too suspicious if I was a wolf to vote for the person voting for me. But once again, I tend to get clumsy as a human. I love being a wolf but I so rarely get to be one.
And I voted for you this round because you were my top suspect. I just put my suspects in alphabetical order because I copied and pasted from the list on the voting page. I didn't think about putting them in any specific order. And it would also be too suspicious if I was a wolf to vote for the person voting for me. But once again, I tend to get clumsy as a human. I love being a wolf but I so rarely get to be one.
Well I best come back in here to say I have registered a vote for Wolverine as he has been the only wolf that has been voted for that had a definite clue. At least that is two votes, and those of you humans need to change your votes before the time runs out. Think about it, and you know another thing, I'm not too sure but what the humans will lose just because they are fighting among themselves. If so - so be it.
The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
I would not say that I was "right again" because that would draw too much attention to me.
But why would you say it as a human, either? You'd just be setting everyone up for the fall when they voted with you to shoot a human. (Unless you got lucky)No offence Vlerma, but with every new post you sound more and more suspicious to me. Lol.
Does a seer get names of both a wolf and a human? If so how can you be certain that all three clues point to humans.
The seer can find out the identity of any player, either revealing them as human or as a wolf. None of us are certain that the clues lead to humans, but given how vocal ICU was about her findings and the fact that getting three humans is much more likely than getting three wolves, it is much more probable. I don't see why you sound so sure that something less likely occurred. Is it not possible that ICU did not vote for Palidin because she was hoping the computer would pick him and she would not have to make it so obvious that she was the seer?
It's a possibility. But what about the others? Why didn't she cast a single vote for any of those likely mentioned in the clues? And if she found three wolves, why in the world wouldn't she have told us? There's always the possibility that she had gathered a mix of clearing and wolf, but I'm hoping that she would have put a clear distinction so as to not make us shoot the cleared or save the wolf.If so - so be it.
I don't think that's something a human should be fine with.And as you can see Lance, I don't just pick apart your posts. I pick apart any faulty - in my opinion - reasoning I see to try and better understand players' strategies and motives. Of course I doubt this will sway your vote, but no matter.
To Vlerma: Sorry to hear about the operation by the way. I hope everything's all right.
Edit: Because I'm no Microsoft Word Paperclip.
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Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
With every post this game gets more confusing. It really is an fascinating game but I still don't know which way to vote.
I'll think about it tonight and vote in the morning. There is still 21hours before the end of the round.
Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes. - Oscar Wilde
I'll think about it tonight and vote in the morning. There is still 21hours before the end of the round.
Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes. - Oscar Wilde
Haha honestly LR, I really like playing with for the very reason that you post so much. You think a lot like me (which really is logical haha) and post the amount I always want to post but just don't have the time to.
And vlerma is right about one thing, we shouldn't waste time fighting with each other. So I'm gonna change my vote to vlerma. Don't get me wrong, I still suspect you very much LR but voting for you won't help much this round.
And vlerma is right about one thing, we shouldn't waste time fighting with each other. So I'm gonna change my vote to vlerma. Don't get me wrong, I still suspect you very much LR but voting for you won't help much this round.
morning
still voting for v
and highly unlikely but possible of diving 3 wolves, but the odds are so against that
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I will say i one more time and if someone disagrees, now is the tme to discuss....
Almost everyone agrees the clues point towards, myself, Pal, and Wolv. For those that are suggesting she divined three wolves, why when given the chance to choose between Pal and Bobbi last round, why did she choose a human, instead of Pal?
Vlerma, Adrena, anyone else, why did she do that?
They look like clearing clues to me and out of the remaining players, Vlerma is the most suspicious to me. So that's where my votegoes.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Almost everyone agrees the clues point towards, myself, Pal, and Wolv. For those that are suggesting she divined three wolves, why when given the chance to choose between Pal and Bobbi last round, why did she choose a human, instead of Pal?
Vlerma, Adrena, anyone else, why did she do that?
They look like clearing clues to me and out of the remaining players, Vlerma is the most suspicious to me. So that's where my votegoes.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Vlerma is the most suspicious to me. So that's where my votegoes.
But why is she the most suspicious to you? I've already picked apart some of her posts and stated some suspicion, so I would appreciate it if those voting for who could do the same. They don't have to be as long or blathering as my own, but a few reasons for your suspicion would be good. As we all know, wolves like to jump on bandwagons. I just want to see if your reasons are logical or not.We can't exactly win if we don't try to examine what's going on. Lucky votes will get us nowhere if after we come over the bump we're stuck again.
Edit: If we assume that these clues are clearing clues and that we are correct in their interpretations, the following are all possible suspects:
4demo
adrena
auntiesis
debc1
froggygg
Hadleigh
LanceKolaski
LogicalRoger
vlerma
That's 8 other people she's more suspicious than. Clearly there must be a reason she is so suspicious.
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Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
LogicalRoger wrote:
This not the first round I have voted for her, and I stated several times the previous round why I was voting for her. She even devoted one of her posts to defend herself against my suspicions.
But to say it again (and I am not trying to be a smart butt, so don't read it that way), Vlerma is a smart cookie, and I have had the pleasure of playing quite a few games with her. When I saw she posted in the early rounds how confused she was and so forth on aspects of the gameplay, something didn't sit right with me.
You are correct,everyone is a suspect. Second on my list is froggygg. Why you ask, she is still int he game. The women averages 1.7 rounds per TWG before she is eaten. The fact she is still here is a miracle, or wolves can't eat wolves.
My reasons are weak, very weak. But its tough to develop firm suspicions when we continue to shoot humans If I am wrong it won't be the first time, but I am going with my gut.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
But why is she the most suspicious to you?
This not the first round I have voted for her, and I stated several times the previous round why I was voting for her. She even devoted one of her posts to defend herself against my suspicions.
But to say it again (and I am not trying to be a smart butt, so don't read it that way), Vlerma is a smart cookie, and I have had the pleasure of playing quite a few games with her. When I saw she posted in the early rounds how confused she was and so forth on aspects of the gameplay, something didn't sit right with me.
You are correct,everyone is a suspect. Second on my list is froggygg. Why you ask, she is still int he game. The women averages 1.7 rounds per TWG before she is eaten. The fact she is still here is a miracle, or wolves can't eat wolves.
My reasons are weak, very weak. But its tough to develop firm suspicions when we continue to shoot humans If I am wrong it won't be the first time, but I am going with my gut.
The reason Gumby isn't smiling is because Deb is keeping him captive against his will.
Yes, I too would like to know why I am under so much suspicion?
Logical Roger:No offence Vlerma, but with every new post you sound more and more suspicious to me. Lol.
Does a seer get names of both a wolf and a human? If so how can you be certain that all three clues point to humans.
The seer can find out the identity of any player, either revealing them as human or as a wolf. None of us are certain that the clues lead to humans, but given how vocal ICU was about her findings and the fact that getting three humans is much more likely than getting three wolves, it is much more probable. I don't see why you sound so sure that something less likely occurred.
Is it not possible that ICU did not vote for Palidin because she was hoping the computer would pick him and she would not have to make it so obvious that she was the seer?
It's a possibility. But what about the others? Why didn't she cast a single vote for any of those likely mentioned in the clues? And if she found three wolves, why in the world wouldn't she have told us? There's always the possibility that she had gathered a mix of clearing and wolf, but I'm hoping that she would have put a clear distinction so as to not make us shoot the cleared or save the wolf.
If so - so be it.
I don't think that's something a human should be fine with.
Ok Roger, you are right, "if so - so be it." maybe isn't something a human should be fine with. But you see I don't have the fight in me like I used to have so I am about to bow done to public opinion, because I have tried every way I can think of to tell you people you are making a mistake, you are shooting one more human. You say above that there are 8 more people who could be considered as suspicious as I. No, only 7 because we still have four wolves. And unfortunately as I said earlier the fighting between two humans does not a great camp make. Which one of you two put a rattle snake in the others bed roll?
Roger, with all your verbosity, which right now I feel up to matching, you did not explain to my satisfaction how the seer comes up with the names. Did she pick them? Did the computer spit them out? Did she pick a name each round and the computer told her human or wolf? I honestly have never been the seer and I am truly trying to understand why you say she could see the name of any player. In typing this out, however, I am beginning to think I understand how it it done, but would appreciate your confirmation.
Round 1 no name she voted for me. Round 2 a name, she voted for me. Round 3 a name, and she joined the majority, voting for Cat Round 4 a name, voting for Auntie and last minute change to Bobbi. I have explained above why she was voting for me, it had nothing to do with divining. She had three names to divine, and again I do not know how she got these three names, her choice, pick of the computer????? It appears to me with her white revealing post she was the seer that she was talking about the wolves. Am I right? We know that Cat was a human, and she had voted for me, Auntie, and Bobbi. Again it appears she was voting for humans to attempt to stay in the game long enough to get the name of another wolf. (If that is at all possible.) She was attempting to not reveal that she was the seer by writing in white and if you use the logic I did, knowing I am human, Cat was human, so she also voted for Bobbi and Auntie to designate they were human.
Now we come back to my puzzlement! I'm not sly, just a person asking how the seer job works as I have never been one, and even Froggy, in all her games has not been a seer. Are you told if the name (as a seer) you have is human or wolf, or is it just a guess for the seer? That is what is getting to me. Our seer votes for Cat who is human, and myself, twice, plus 3 other people. Now you think the odds of getting three wolves is very great, and yet because of our seer's voting you are expecting people to think she has pointed her finger at four??? wolves. I just don't get it! That is part of why I am getting so exasperated - I keep saying why she voted for me. I am beginning to think this can only be solved if I quit playing in the same games as my daughter. We tried to solve the problem ourselves, because, honest folks, it's not comfortable playing with our peers when some of you assume we are cheating. I love the games and she is exceptionally good at them. Am I starting to get my back up a bit, yeah, I am, but I am trying to remain a lady. And yes, I know it is just a game and I shouldn't get so disturbed, it is supposed to be all in fun! Right?
According to Froggy:
She was pretty much stressing that she was Human. She went on to say that everyone was so quiet because we were scared to talk for fear we would say the wrong thing and sound suspicious. Was she saying that those who look suspicious are in reality Human like she was? Were the clues actually clearing ones? Look at the way she put auntiesis and vlerma within * *. Was this her way of saying that both auntie and vlerma are wolves and the white text was a clearing clue for a Human?
These are her round votes:
Round 1 - Vlerma
Round 2 - Vlerma
Round 3 - Cat - joined the majority
Round 4 - Bobby
All I can say is look above. ICU gave three clue, plus the admission that she was the seer. Can any of you honestly come up with four wolves in all your bickering? No, just the three who everyone seems to think she divined as humans. You are wrong but they are helping you kill yourselves off one by one. Come on humans, think. 4 demo, you haven't posted today, are you the 4th wolf? And Hadleigh you have been busy at work and since I don't know your time over there, I am assuming you may be human simply because night did not time out the other night. Anyhow one way or the other, Stewie, I have enjoyed your games. I have a head ache, I'm taking a pill and going to bed. Guess I will see what happened in the morning.
Edit in reference to Mr. Jones post: Sir in all good respect to you I do appreciate your saying I'm one smart cookie. And I realize the surgery I had in April was not on my brain. However, it did so change my lifestyle that, yes, at times I do get rather befuddled. I guess that is why I am more apt to try to play games with people I consider my friends so they can kinda let my slips slid, just like I have hoped that the family that lives with me won't be meeting me at every door with an aerosol can of Mr. Smell Good. I don't mean to use this as an excuse, honest, but I am still adjusting to feeling like a freak with a stinking bag hanging on my side. I could not accept it when i came home, was suicidal, and couldn't understand why I had been given another hurdle to get over. But my faith told me God evidently still had something He wanted me to do down here. I mean I was out and I had told my daughter to pull the plug if I had to live as a vegetable. I'm not a vegetable, just someone who could fertilize her own garden. I have to joke about it or I become very very depressed. Bear with the old lady, I'll get there.
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The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
Logical Roger:No offence Vlerma, but with every new post you sound more and more suspicious to me. Lol.
Does a seer get names of both a wolf and a human? If so how can you be certain that all three clues point to humans.
The seer can find out the identity of any player, either revealing them as human or as a wolf. None of us are certain that the clues lead to humans, but given how vocal ICU was about her findings and the fact that getting three humans is much more likely than getting three wolves, it is much more probable. I don't see why you sound so sure that something less likely occurred.
Is it not possible that ICU did not vote for Palidin because she was hoping the computer would pick him and she would not have to make it so obvious that she was the seer?
It's a possibility. But what about the others? Why didn't she cast a single vote for any of those likely mentioned in the clues? And if she found three wolves, why in the world wouldn't she have told us? There's always the possibility that she had gathered a mix of clearing and wolf, but I'm hoping that she would have put a clear distinction so as to not make us shoot the cleared or save the wolf.
If so - so be it.
I don't think that's something a human should be fine with.
Ok Roger, you are right, "if so - so be it." maybe isn't something a human should be fine with. But you see I don't have the fight in me like I used to have so I am about to bow done to public opinion, because I have tried every way I can think of to tell you people you are making a mistake, you are shooting one more human. You say above that there are 8 more people who could be considered as suspicious as I. No, only 7 because we still have four wolves. And unfortunately as I said earlier the fighting between two humans does not a great camp make. Which one of you two put a rattle snake in the others bed roll?
Roger, with all your verbosity, which right now I feel up to matching, you did not explain to my satisfaction how the seer comes up with the names. Did she pick them? Did the computer spit them out? Did she pick a name each round and the computer told her human or wolf? I honestly have never been the seer and I am truly trying to understand why you say she could see the name of any player. In typing this out, however, I am beginning to think I understand how it it done, but would appreciate your confirmation.
Round 1 no name she voted for me. Round 2 a name, she voted for me. Round 3 a name, and she joined the majority, voting for Cat Round 4 a name, voting for Auntie and last minute change to Bobbi. I have explained above why she was voting for me, it had nothing to do with divining. She had three names to divine, and again I do not know how she got these three names, her choice, pick of the computer????? It appears to me with her white revealing post she was the seer that she was talking about the wolves. Am I right? We know that Cat was a human, and she had voted for me, Auntie, and Bobbi. Again it appears she was voting for humans to attempt to stay in the game long enough to get the name of another wolf. (If that is at all possible.) She was attempting to not reveal that she was the seer by writing in white and if you use the logic I did, knowing I am human, Cat was human, so she also voted for Bobbi and Auntie to designate they were human.
Now we come back to my puzzlement! I'm not sly, just a person asking how the seer job works as I have never been one, and even Froggy, in all her games has not been a seer. Are you told if the name (as a seer) you have is human or wolf, or is it just a guess for the seer? That is what is getting to me. Our seer votes for Cat who is human, and myself, twice, plus 3 other people. Now you think the odds of getting three wolves is very great, and yet because of our seer's voting you are expecting people to think she has pointed her finger at four??? wolves. I just don't get it! That is part of why I am getting so exasperated - I keep saying why she voted for me. I am beginning to think this can only be solved if I quit playing in the same games as my daughter. We tried to solve the problem ourselves, because, honest folks, it's not comfortable playing with our peers when some of you assume we are cheating. I love the games and she is exceptionally good at them. Am I starting to get my back up a bit, yeah, I am, but I am trying to remain a lady. And yes, I know it is just a game and I shouldn't get so disturbed, it is supposed to be all in fun! Right?
According to Froggy:
She was pretty much stressing that she was Human. She went on to say that everyone was so quiet because we were scared to talk for fear we would say the wrong thing and sound suspicious. Was she saying that those who look suspicious are in reality Human like she was? Were the clues actually clearing ones? Look at the way she put auntiesis and vlerma within * *. Was this her way of saying that both auntie and vlerma are wolves and the white text was a clearing clue for a Human?
These are her round votes:
Round 1 - Vlerma
Round 2 - Vlerma
Round 3 - Cat - joined the majority
Round 4 - Bobby
All I can say is look above. ICU gave three clue, plus the admission that she was the seer. Can any of you honestly come up with four wolves in all your bickering? No, just the three who everyone seems to think she divined as humans. You are wrong but they are helping you kill yourselves off one by one. Come on humans, think. 4 demo, you haven't posted today, are you the 4th wolf? And Hadleigh you have been busy at work and since I don't know your time over there, I am assuming you may be human simply because night did not time out the other night. Anyhow one way or the other, Stewie, I have enjoyed your games. I have a head ache, I'm taking a pill and going to bed. Guess I will see what happened in the morning.
Edit in reference to Mr. Jones post: Sir in all good respect to you I do appreciate your saying I'm one smart cookie. And I realize the surgery I had in April was not on my brain. However, it did so change my lifestyle that, yes, at times I do get rather befuddled. I guess that is why I am more apt to try to play games with people I consider my friends so they can kinda let my slips slid, just like I have hoped that the family that lives with me won't be meeting me at every door with an aerosol can of Mr. Smell Good. I don't mean to use this as an excuse, honest, but I am still adjusting to feeling like a freak with a stinking bag hanging on my side. I could not accept it when i came home, was suicidal, and couldn't understand why I had been given another hurdle to get over. But my faith told me God evidently still had something He wanted me to do down here. I mean I was out and I had told my daughter to pull the plug if I had to live as a vegetable. I'm not a vegetable, just someone who could fertilize her own garden. I have to joke about it or I become very very depressed. Bear with the old lady, I'll get there.
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The sound of the wild, but if there is no one there, does anyone hear their howls?
Sorry I haven't been on, but my kids and grandkids are visiting from Florida and I haven't been able to get on the computer with everyone else using it. Way too many long posts to read in my short time on line, so I will follow the crowd and vote for Vlerma.
Auntie Sis
Auntie Sis
My reasons for voting for grayma were based on ICU's posts in the last round and the fact that she was eaten during that night when she indicated her suspicions of Grayma and auntie: she referred to both Grayma and auntie as "looking mighty hungry" even though it appears that ICU was just following her suspicions without having divined Grayma as a Wolf or Human. Add that to her increasingly defensive posts, and she seems like the logical choice to me. However, I am more than willing to change my vote if anyone can give me a good reason to because I agree that we need to start getting this right or the Humans will lose.
Oh and pp - In my last few games as a Human, I have actually been doing much better at lasting and have actually made it to the last round or very close to it!
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Oh and pp - In my last few games as a Human, I have actually been doing much better at lasting and have actually made it to the last round or very close to it!
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Thanks to Froggy and PP for explaining your reasoning.
No one accused you of cheating Vlerma. Most of us just think you're a wolf.
Note 1 : Probability Statistics: [Hopefully an explanation, even though I'm rubbish at probability; Pal could probably back me up/ correct me]
The best odds you could have for getting three wolves in our current situation would be: 4/20 * 3/17 * 2/14 = 6/1190(24/4760) or .5%. Not very high when compared to identifying three humans: 16/20 * 13/17 * 10/14 = 520/1190 (2080/4760 ) or 43%.
So just saying "it's a possibility" won't really cut it. Tactical reasoning would be needed to trump the stats.
[Note for numbers: For the first case I'm decreasing the total pool by the two humans shot and eaten each round and the one wolf who's already been divined. In the second case I'm decreasing the total pool by two humans and a different human being divined. I think the percentage would be even higher if the human who was divined was also shot. But I suppose that conveniently didn't seem to happen.
Sorry if I confused anyone with that rambling. *dreads further questions*
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Did she pick a name each round and the computer told her human or wolf?
Yes. This is what happened. The seer locks in their divination vote alongside their shooting vote, thus why they must vote in order to divine. They choose who they want to check out and the computer identifies the identity for them.Now you think the odds of getting three wolves is very great, and yet because of our seer's voting you are expecting people to think she has pointed her finger at four??? wolves. I just don't get it!
I don't get it either. Lol. If you were referring to me, I never ever said that the odds of getting three wolves was great. [See note 1 for probability explanation] I'm assuming that she didn't point out any wolves. I may be incorrect, but so far I don't see any reason to believe otherwise.No one accused you of cheating Vlerma. Most of us just think you're a wolf.
No, just the three who everyone seems to think she divined as humans.
I think you're being too certain of this. Just because they don't have to be three clearing clues doesn't mean they have to be three wolf clues either.Note 1 : Probability Statistics: [Hopefully an explanation, even though I'm rubbish at probability; Pal could probably back me up/ correct me]
The best odds you could have for getting three wolves in our current situation would be: 4/20 * 3/17 * 2/14 = 6/1190(24/4760) or .5%. Not very high when compared to identifying three humans: 16/20 * 13/17 * 10/14 = 520/1190 (2080/4760 ) or 43%.
So just saying "it's a possibility" won't really cut it. Tactical reasoning would be needed to trump the stats.
[Note for numbers: For the first case I'm decreasing the total pool by the two humans shot and eaten each round and the one wolf who's already been divined. In the second case I'm decreasing the total pool by two humans and a different human being divined. I think the percentage would be even higher if the human who was divined was also shot. But I suppose that conveniently didn't seem to happen.
Sorry if I confused anyone with that rambling. *dreads further questions*
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Too much info LR, this game is really doing my head in.
It appears that the vote is in for Grayma.
Six of you seem certain that vlerma is a wolf and my vote for her will end the round. Let's hope she's an Indian.
After reading every thing over & over again, I still don't understand why ICUB42 would vote for Bobbi if she divined Paladin was a wolf. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes. - Oscar Wilde
It appears that the vote is in for Grayma.
adrena voted for Wolverine115
auntiesis voted for vlerma
debc1 voted for vlerma
froggygg voted for vlerma
LanceKolaski voted for vlerma
LogicalRoger voted for LanceKolaski
Paladin voted for vlerma
ppjones voted for vlerma
vlerma voted for Wolverine115
auntiesis voted for vlerma
debc1 voted for vlerma
froggygg voted for vlerma
LanceKolaski voted for vlerma
LogicalRoger voted for LanceKolaski
Paladin voted for vlerma
ppjones voted for vlerma
vlerma voted for Wolverine115
Six of you seem certain that vlerma is a wolf and my vote for her will end the round. Let's hope she's an Indian.
After reading every thing over & over again, I still don't understand why ICUB42 would vote for Bobbi if she divined Paladin was a wolf. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes. - Oscar Wilde
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