Who's The Boss
Game #2991: Who's the Boss =)
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We didn't learn anything from the firings - it was all mandatory. And the psych question/answer was vague.
I suggest we get a majority on someone this round and start narrowing down suspects.
We didn't learn anything from the firings - it was all mandatory. And the psych question/answer was vague.
I suggest we get a majority on someone this round and start narrowing down suspects.
Oh, I forgot to tell you at the beginning: Avett was the rat.
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Good to hear that the rat is gone.
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minakodeb wrote:
How do we know they were all mandatory? Just because they didn't post a vote doesn't mean they didn't vote, right? And we don't have access to the votes? Also, from thinking about that, I realize that on everyone's voting lists, you all had themasterbrain listed as voting for minakodeb, yet I don't see where themasterbrain ever posted anything saying such a thing. ??
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We didn't learn anything from the firings - it was all mandatory. And the psych question/answer was vague.
I suggest we get a majority on someone this round and start narrowing down suspects.
We didn't learn anything from the firings - it was all mandatory. And the psych question/answer was vague.
I suggest we get a majority on someone this round and start narrowing down suspects.
How do we know they were all mandatory? Just because they didn't post a vote doesn't mean they didn't vote, right? And we don't have access to the votes? Also, from thinking about that, I realize that on everyone's voting lists, you all had themasterbrain listed as voting for minakodeb, yet I don't see where themasterbrain ever posted anything saying such a thing. ??
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Btw, I'm sticking with StewieGriffin. Not much info, so mostly a safety vote.
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themasterbrain wrote:
He did a safety vote.
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He did a safety vote.
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Well, we can be fairly certain that Avett & Nathan were mandatory, given that at the end of the last round, both had been absent for at least 3 days. (Nathan has since logged on, only to find he was fired for not doing so sooner. Been there, done that!)
themasterbrain - I also missed where he had stated that he had voted.
Here's what we can assume: 1) he said he was going to vote but didn't save his vote (oops) or 2) he voted for me and was fired, thus clearing me from being the boss or 3) he changed his vote and didn't tell us, clearing nobody
themasterbrain - I also missed where he had stated that he had voted.
Here's what we can assume: 1) he said he was going to vote but didn't save his vote (oops) or 2) he voted for me and was fired, thus clearing me from being the boss or 3) he changed his vote and didn't tell us, clearing nobody
iamsam4 wrote:
Wow, you're right, I see it this time. I went through all the posts like 3 times and couldn't find it, lol.
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themasterbrain wrote:
He did a safety vote.
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He did a safety vote.
Wow, you're right, I see it this time. I went through all the posts like 3 times and couldn't find it, lol.
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minakodeb wrote:
Makes sense :]
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Well, we can be fairly certain that Avett & Nathan were mandatory, given that at the end of the last round, both had been absent for at least 3 days. (Nathan has since logged on, only to find he was fired for not doing so sooner. Been there, done that!)
themasterbrain - I also missed where he had stated that he had voted.
Here's what we can assume: 1) he said he was going to vote but didn't save his vote (oops) or 2) he voted for me and was fired, thus clearing me from being the boss or 3) he changed his vote and didn't tell us, clearing nobody
themasterbrain - I also missed where he had stated that he had voted.
Here's what we can assume: 1) he said he was going to vote but didn't save his vote (oops) or 2) he voted for me and was fired, thus clearing me from being the boss or 3) he changed his vote and didn't tell us, clearing nobody
Makes sense :]
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I agree that Nathan was a mandi, but Avett was the rat. Rat is never a mandatory because he doesn't vote (he can't fail to do something he can't do in the first place); he has to be selectively fired by Boss.
I'm assuming at this point that themasterbrain actually failed to vote. If he actually voted, then note that he wrote
So. 15 players, Boss can fire up to three people (unless they're all mandis). The two possibilities I see are: 1) Boss is inexperienced, themasterbrain actually did vote for Eighsse, and Eighsse is now cleared; or 2) themasterbrain didn't vote as advertised, probably didn't vote at all, and was a mandi. I'm cautious, so I'm going with Option 2 for the moment....
I'm assuming at this point that themasterbrain actually failed to vote. If he actually voted, then note that he wrote
@eighsse, you might be the boss, based on your own reasoning, pretending that you didn't know how the memo worked.
Plus, you were just rambling on about how the boss didn't mean that plants were pets when suddenly accused stewie of saying the exact same thing(with a little less reasoning)!
I am changing my vote to eighsse based on this reasoning.
he would be clearing eighsse rather than minakodeb.Plus, you were just rambling on about how the boss didn't mean that plants were pets when suddenly accused stewie of saying the exact same thing(with a little less reasoning)!
I am changing my vote to eighsse based on this reasoning.
So. 15 players, Boss can fire up to three people (unless they're all mandis). The two possibilities I see are: 1) Boss is inexperienced, themasterbrain actually did vote for Eighsse, and Eighsse is now cleared; or 2) themasterbrain didn't vote as advertised, probably didn't vote at all, and was a mandi. I'm cautious, so I'm going with Option 2 for the moment....
Why don't we try to clear minakodeb, so we can see if she really IS cleared.
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Thekid4 wrote:
That works, I'll vote minakodeb.
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Why don't we try to clear minakodeb, so we can see if she really IS cleared.
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That works, I'll vote minakodeb.
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Good night everybody. I'll be checking in about 6 hours from now.
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Good night, eighsse
(I don't sound like his mother, do I?)
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Wow! The rat was fired??? That's crazy!! Safety for talan again!
Oh and here is my opinion! The boss is most probably an experienced player. An inexperienced player would NOT fire the rat in the first round. However, an experienced player would have looked at the fact that Avett had not signed in during the past few days. Therefore, we would have all known who the rat was and that would make the rat useless to the boss. However, I have a question for those more experienced than me. When the rat becomes an optional firing, does it tell the boss which optional firing is the rat?
Oh and here is my opinion! The boss is most probably an experienced player. An inexperienced player would NOT fire the rat in the first round. However, an experienced player would have looked at the fact that Avett had not signed in during the past few days. Therefore, we would have all known who the rat was and that would make the rat useless to the boss. However, I have a question for those more experienced than me. When the rat becomes an optional firing, does it tell the boss which optional firing is the rat?
I guess a vote would be a good idea, yeah.
Not sure I'm ready to join a majority this early, but am still considering it nevertheless. For the moment though, just a safety vote for Stewie.
Not sure I'm ready to join a majority this early, but am still considering it nevertheless. For the moment though, just a safety vote for Stewie.
Wait, wait...
This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.
I'm okay with a vote for me, but I won't join in. Voting for eighsee.
I agree that Nathan was a mandi, but Avett was the rat. Rat is never a mandatory because he doesn't vote (he can't fail to do something he can't do in the first place); he has to be selectively fired by Boss.
This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.
I'm okay with a vote for me, but I won't join in. Voting for eighsee.
minakodeb wrote:
This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.
If the boss fired the rat without knowing it, then it is definitely an inexperienced player because I would have noticed that it would have had to been the rat before I fired him!
This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.
If the boss fired the rat without knowing it, then it is definitely an inexperienced player because I would have noticed that it would have had to been the rat before I fired him!
eighsse wrote:
Yesterday TheKid's plan was to vote for StewieGriffin. Now we're going on minakodeb? .. I'm slow - why are we clearing her? Is it to double-check what master did?
Safety vote for KyleBrawl (until I understand what's going on and why ).
I realize that on everyone's voting lists, you all had themasterbrain listed as voting for minakodeb, yet I don't see where themasterbrain ever posted anything saying such a thing. ??
Well evidently no one was paying attention to the voting list I put together, because the last one I posted in the round clearly showed master voting for eighsee. (Whether he actually did or not, I can't say, but he said he did.)Yesterday TheKid's plan was to vote for StewieGriffin. Now we're going on minakodeb? .. I'm slow - why are we clearing her? Is it to double-check what master did?
Safety vote for KyleBrawl (until I understand what's going on and why ).
I don't think I ever said to go against Stewie, Flintpops.
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Thekid4 wrote:
Not saying you're not allowed to change your mind, of course, but why not carry through with a plan you had, at least at first?
And it's FINTpops, not FLINTpops. (When my little cousin was a baby, she couldn't pronounce "fingerprints" so it came out "fintpops". I thought is sounded cute. )
Thekid4 wrote:
Posted: 09:20PM Aug 5, 2013
Starting tomorrow, let's try to get a majority on Stewie, based on eighsse's reasoning.
Starting tomorrow, let's try to get a majority on Stewie, based on eighsse's reasoning.
Not saying you're not allowed to change your mind, of course, but why not carry through with a plan you had, at least at first?
And it's FINTpops, not FLINTpops. (When my little cousin was a baby, she couldn't pronounce "fingerprints" so it came out "fintpops". I thought is sounded cute. )
When I said that, I meant tomorrow as in literally tomorrow, not as in next round.
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KyleBrawl wrote:
Is the rat identified as the rat when they don't hack? It doesn't say specifically in the rules.
minakodeb wrote:
This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.
If the boss fired the rat without knowing it, then it is definitely an inexperienced player because I would have noticed that it would have had to been the rat before I fired him!
This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.
If the boss fired the rat without knowing it, then it is definitely an inexperienced player because I would have noticed that it would have had to been the rat before I fired him!
Is the rat identified as the rat when they don't hack? It doesn't say specifically in the rules.
Thekid4 wrote:
When I said that, I meant tomorrow as in literally tomorrow, not as in next round.
But you still made a suggestion to vote for Stewie. Why doesn't that hold now? (Which was my main - and only - point in the first place.)
Fintpops wrote:
Not that I understand anything either, as a noob, but, if you ask me: if we can just agree to get a majority on anyone, then we will either win (if it's the boss), or clear someone (in theory, although employees could be lying, but I wouldn't understand why they would do that). And clearing anyone is good. The downside, as far as I understand, to piling votes on one person, is that it means that there will be a lot of lemmings (fireables). As opposed to the polar opposite, if everyone votes for someone different, then there would be just 1 lemming (but I'm not sure how the lemming would be determined with an n-way tie -- at 1 vote -- for "candidate"?).
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Now we're going on minakodeb? .. I'm slow - why are we clearing her? Is it to double-check what master did?
Not that I understand anything either, as a noob, but, if you ask me: if we can just agree to get a majority on anyone, then we will either win (if it's the boss), or clear someone (in theory, although employees could be lying, but I wouldn't understand why they would do that). And clearing anyone is good. The downside, as far as I understand, to piling votes on one person, is that it means that there will be a lot of lemmings (fireables). As opposed to the polar opposite, if everyone votes for someone different, then there would be just 1 lemming (but I'm not sure how the lemming would be determined with an n-way tie -- at 1 vote -- for "candidate"?).
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Which brings up another question I've been wondering about: the rules are vague about how the number of lemmings that the boss may fire in a given round, is determined. I know there are a number of factors, but does anyone know the actual formula? OR is that something that no one has ever nailed down, known only by the creator(s)?
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eighsse wrote:
Gonna change my vote to minakodeb to bulk up the majority, then.
Oh, and I have no clue about the number of lemmings thing. If you find out, I'd like to know too! I would assume there has to be some limit to the number the boss can fire, otherwise couldn't he/she fire all of us in one go?
if we can just agree to get a majority on anyone, then we will either win (if it's the boss), or clear someone (in theory, although employees could be lying, but I wouldn't understand why they would do that). And clearing anyone is good.
Yeah, I agree with that. I guess what I was meaning was, why clear minako over someone else. But ya gotta start somewhere! And like you pointed out, clearing anyone is good/important.Gonna change my vote to minakodeb to bulk up the majority, then.
Oh, and I have no clue about the number of lemmings thing. If you find out, I'd like to know too! I would assume there has to be some limit to the number the boss can fire, otherwise couldn't he/she fire all of us in one go?
In the first two rounds, the boss can't fire more than three players. That includes mandatory firings. If there are three or more mandatory firings, then the boss couldn't fire anyone.
I'll join the majority for mina!!!
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I'll join the majority for mina!!!
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Thanks Kyle, that helps clear it up some. Oh and yeah, I see now that I was wrong about the "only-one-lemming" thing. It says there may be multiple candidates in the event of a tie, so I suppose if everyone voted for someone different, we'd ALL be lemmings. But at least, to the point I was making when I said that, the advantage of splitting up votes as opposed to piling votes on one person, is that in general, there will be fewer lemmings. But if boss can fire only up to 3, and the minimum number of lemmings is 2 (based on what I mentioned in this post), it wouldn't make a huge difference, even if we split the votes up ideally. So I feel -- and again, I'm a beginner, no expert -- that piling votes on in an attempt to win/clear, is best.
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Voting List:
dawnrising -------- minakodeb
eighsse ------------- minakodeb
Fintpops ----------- minakodeb
KyleBrawl --------- minakodeb
lissiclown
minakodeb --------- eighsse
MindReader22
SaraGrace
sciencesteven
StewieGriffin
talanpoe ------------ minakodeb
Thekid4 ------------- minakodeb
Joined the minakodeb majority
Voted, but not for minakodeb
Have not stated a vote
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dawnrising -------- minakodeb
eighsse ------------- minakodeb
Fintpops ----------- minakodeb
KyleBrawl --------- minakodeb
lissiclown
minakodeb --------- eighsse
MindReader22
SaraGrace
sciencesteven
StewieGriffin
talanpoe ------------ minakodeb
Thekid4 ------------- minakodeb
Joined the minakodeb majority
Voted, but not for minakodeb
Have not stated a vote
Fintpops wrote:
And it's FINTpops, not FLINTpops. (When my little cousin was a baby, she couldn't pronounce "fingerprints" so it came out "fintpops". I thought is sounded cute. )
Ohhhhhhhh. Okay then. That makes sense. "Flintpops" sounds like something you would yell at someone. "Darn you, you little flintpops!"
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OK. After due consideration, I'm switching to Minkodeb.
Minkodeb wrote
On the number of firings, Boss can optionally fire 1 person for each 5 (or portion thereof) players. So 1-5 players, 1 firing; 6-10, 2 firings; 11-15, 3 firings; 16-20, 4 firings; but if the number of mandis is that number or more, then Boss has no optional firings.
EDIT: vote change confirmed.
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Minkodeb wrote
Is the rat identified as the rat when they don't hack? It doesn't say specifically in the rules.
Not in that case. They're just listed along with any lemmings. They are identified as the rat if Boss gets more than 33% of the vote.On the number of firings, Boss can optionally fire 1 person for each 5 (or portion thereof) players. So 1-5 players, 1 firing; 6-10, 2 firings; 11-15, 3 firings; 16-20, 4 firings; but if the number of mandis is that number or more, then Boss has no optional firings.
EDIT: vote change confirmed.
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Thekid4 wrote:
"Flintpops" sounds like something you would yell at someone. "Darn you, you little flintpops!"
I might just start yelling that at people. Would sure confuse them, if nothing else. LOL!
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Or a delicious frozen treat they would have on The Flintstones.
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"Flintpops" sounds like something you would yell at someone. "Darn you, you little flintpops!"
Or a delicious frozen treat they would have on The Flintstones.
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Keeping my safety on minakodeb. Noticing that she is doing what a boss would do and logging in a whole lot. You guys may be right about her being the boss
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Yeah, not the boss. Happy to be cleared this round. Everyone vote for me!!!
minakodeb wrote:
Yep. Exactly what a boss would say. Just kidding though (kind of). :]
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Yeah, not the boss. Happy to be cleared this round. Everyone vote for me!!!
Yep. Exactly what a boss would say. Just kidding though (kind of). :]
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12 players, we need 7 votes to clear. Almost there.
EDIT: Incorrect. We know that Rat is gone, so only 11 votes. 6/11 is more than half so we're already there (assuming everybody voted as advertised.)
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EDIT: Incorrect. We know that Rat is gone, so only 11 votes. 6/11 is more than half so we're already there (assuming everybody voted as advertised.)
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talanpoe wrote:
But, if the boss is actively talking with us, as one of us, he would probably be saying he's voting for someone, even though he doesn't, right? So one of the votes could be the boss, which would not happen obviously. So I think we still need 7 total to be sure (even then, not sure, but you know). If the Rat were still around, I would say we need majority +2 even, not just +1.
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12 players, we need 7 votes to clear. Almost there.
EDIT: Incorrect. We know that Rat is gone, so only 11 votes. 6/11 is more than half so we're already there (assuming everybody voted as advertised.)
EDIT: Incorrect. We know that Rat is gone, so only 11 votes. 6/11 is more than half so we're already there (assuming everybody voted as advertised.)
But, if the boss is actively talking with us, as one of us, he would probably be saying he's voting for someone, even though he doesn't, right? So one of the votes could be the boss, which would not happen obviously. So I think we still need 7 total to be sure (even then, not sure, but you know). If the Rat were still around, I would say we need majority +2 even, not just +1.
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Like, if everyone left were all actively posting, and all 12 stated their vote, one would have to be the boss feigning a vote. So at LEAST 1 vote would be fake.
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The boss doesn't need to be factored in. If mina is the boss, then all of the votes will be real. If mina is not the boss, then the boss could have voted in the majority. HOWEVER the boss could only vote in the majority if mina was not the boss. So either A. Mina is the boss, all the votes are real and we win or B. Mina is not the boss and only then could the boss have voted in the majority. *heavy breathing*
KyleBrawl wrote:
Very true, I overlooked that! However, I suppose in the case that minako (or whoever were being cleared) joined in and claimed to vote for herself to help clear herself, it would NOT count.
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The boss doesn't need to be factored in. If mina is the boss, then all of the votes will be real. If mina is not the boss, then the boss could have voted in the majority. HOWEVER the boss could only vote in the majority if mina was not the boss. So either A. Mina is the boss, all the votes are real and we win or B. Mina is not the boss and only then could the boss have voted in the majority. *heavy breathing*
Very true, I overlooked that! However, I suppose in the case that minako (or whoever were being cleared) joined in and claimed to vote for herself to help clear herself, it would NOT count.
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eighsse wrote:
The simple safe rule of thumb is number of players divided by two and then raised to the next integer. (You can work out all the cases to confirm this at your leisure.). But with an even number of players and knowing that Rat is gone, we don't have to do the raise; so 12/2=6 is the needed number of declared votes.
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Very true, I overlooked that! However, I suppose in the case that minako (or whoever were being cleared) joined in and claimed to vote for herself to help clear herself, it would NOT count.
Right. You never count someone's vote for themself when calculating a clearing majority. The simple safe rule of thumb is number of players divided by two and then raised to the next integer. (You can work out all the cases to confirm this at your leisure.). But with an even number of players and knowing that Rat is gone, we don't have to do the raise; so 12/2=6 is the needed number of declared votes.
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This is some of the best cooperating that I have seen in a wtb.
I am just about to leave for pensylvania, so I might not be able to come on braingle again until Sunday. I will try though.
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Okay i will join on the majority for minakodeb
I'm only changing one thing, but it was too long ago to just edit.
dawnrising -------- minakodeb
eighsse ------------- minakodeb
Fintpops ----------- minakodeb
KyleBrawl --------- minakodeb
lissiclown ---------- minakodeb
minakodeb --------- eighsse
MindReader22
SaraGrace
sciencesteven
StewieGriffin
talanpoe ------------ minakodeb
Thekid4 ------------- minakodeb
Joined the minakodeb majority
Voted, but not for minakodeb
Have not stated a vote
We now have a solid majority.
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dawnrising -------- minakodeb
eighsse ------------- minakodeb
Fintpops ----------- minakodeb
KyleBrawl --------- minakodeb
lissiclown ---------- minakodeb
minakodeb --------- eighsse
MindReader22
SaraGrace
sciencesteven
StewieGriffin
talanpoe ------------ minakodeb
Thekid4 ------------- minakodeb
Joined the minakodeb majority
Voted, but not for minakodeb
Have not stated a vote
We now have a solid majority.
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MindReader and StewieG haven't logged on in a few days - look for them to be mandatories.
That's a really good voting list, thekid. Very easy to read.
Thank you. I usually don't make voting lists, as others do before me.
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So, voting has ended. So, say minakodeb happened to be the boss and we just voted her out and won. It would be saying that at this point right? Since there wouldn't be a memo to wait on.
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Don't want to say I told you so just yet...
here comes the part where people get fired hahahaha
Yay! Our first cleared player!
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minakodeb wrote:
Never had a reason to doubt ya But better to clear someone than no one, and there's practically zero evidence on anyone to go by so far.
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Don't want to say I told you so just yet...
Never had a reason to doubt ya But better to clear someone than no one, and there's practically zero evidence on anyone to go by so far.
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I agree.
iamsam said she might not be able to get online until Sunday, so I wouldn't expect the next round to start until then. Have a great weekend, everybody!
iamsam said she might not be able to get online until Sunday, so I wouldn't expect the next round to start until then. Have a great weekend, everybody!
Yep I guess our business is closed for a couple days...
You too, minako.
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You too, minako.
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