The Werewolf Game
Game #1221: Survival: Greedy vs. Generous
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Thanks menz!
We come back seeing that Bo was chosen off by the greedy members. Since Bo was chosen off, we know that at least one generous person was voted off during the day. With this in mind, the players will need to rethink some plans, strategies, and 'alliances'.
This week, the remaining 12 players will have another challenge against them. This challenge will be testing their mental capacities. Here, the players will all be standing on a very small circular pole; this pole is only about a foot above the ground, so it will not hurt when they fall. They will all need to stay focused because the pole they are standing on is only about a third of their foot size. One moment of concentration loss could cost them the challenge.
This challenge will have 3 parts to it. For the first part, these 12 people will be split up into 3 groups of 4; the second part the will be for the 8 people who did not win in their division; and the third part will be for the first three people to fall out of the 8. This may seem a bit confusing, but as it progresses it may make more sense.
Group 1: Carlos, Cin, and Froggy
Group 2: David, Josh, and Kethry
Group 3: menz, ro9ge, and Smithy
Group 4: Stewie, Sunrose, and teddy
In group 1: Cin quickly loses her balance within seconds leaving only froggy and carlos. After only a couple of other minutes, the generous Carlos decides to give up his spot to froggy.
In group 2: Kethry decides to step off after a few minutes because she cannot stand hearing Josh and David bickering. Josh and David end up laughing about the whole thing, but do not lose concentration for awhile. Josh ends up falling off after trying to tie his shoe.
In group 3: ro9ge is barely awake and as soon as he steps onto the pole, he steps off. Smithy seeing this, decides that he will step off since he may have had to stand on this pole again hours later.
In Group 4: These three all seem to be doing very good. The longest by far! It has been 3 hours, and no one is off. At 4 hours and 16 minutes, Sunrose ends up costing herself the challenge because she tried to fix her hair that had fallen in front of her face. Stewie then makes his own decision to get off of the pole because he has has to go to the bathroom for awhile. teddy ends up winning by default!
Carlos, Cin, Josh, Kethry, ro9ge, Smithy, Stewie, and Sunrose are the 8 finalists. They begin the challenge. Carlos and Smithy made the same decision as last time. To step down and let the others enjoy their time here at the mansion. "We are sorry to see that this second part was not as exciting as it was supposed to be, but that is television!" As he said that, the tired ro9ge falls off of his pole without even noticing this time.
Carlos, Smithy, and ro9ge are now the 3 remaining finalists. Smithy- "We will end up winning this in minutes again since ro9ge will probably end up falling asleep. Too bad for him for not getting enough sleep." Carlos- "I hope so. We do deserve to be here since we both gave up our spots in the two previous challenges." ro9ge- "I heard that. The reason I am so tired is because I was up........there is no reason to tell you. I am going to decide to leave the mansion by stepping off of this pole. My family needs me right now, so I will be leaving. Smithy and Carlos, good luck."
We end up leaving the week with ro9ge going willingly. Only 11 remain. Was ro9ge the last greedy person, or was he just another innocent generous one? Stay tuned for next week!
What is your favorite year in history, and why?
1990. That year had a life changing moment for me.
Thats a hard question I am not sure I can completely answer that since I have no true favorite and I am not a history buff. Even in my personal life there are too many favorites to be honest when picking one specific year.
1688. I love the Glorious Revolution.
563 BCE When the Buddha was born.
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"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Thanks menz!
We come back seeing that Bo was chosen off by the greedy members. Since Bo was chosen off, we know that at least one generous person was voted off during the day. With this in mind, the players will need to rethink some plans, strategies, and 'alliances'.
This week, the remaining 12 players will have another challenge against them. This challenge will be testing their mental capacities. Here, the players will all be standing on a very small circular pole; this pole is only about a foot above the ground, so it will not hurt when they fall. They will all need to stay focused because the pole they are standing on is only about a third of their foot size. One moment of concentration loss could cost them the challenge.
This challenge will have 3 parts to it. For the first part, these 12 people will be split up into 3 groups of 4; the second part the will be for the 8 people who did not win in their division; and the third part will be for the first three people to fall out of the 8. This may seem a bit confusing, but as it progresses it may make more sense.
Group 1: Carlos, Cin, and Froggy
Group 2: David, Josh, and Kethry
Group 3: menz, ro9ge, and Smithy
Group 4: Stewie, Sunrose, and teddy
In group 1: Cin quickly loses her balance within seconds leaving only froggy and carlos. After only a couple of other minutes, the generous Carlos decides to give up his spot to froggy.
In group 2: Kethry decides to step off after a few minutes because she cannot stand hearing Josh and David bickering. Josh and David end up laughing about the whole thing, but do not lose concentration for awhile. Josh ends up falling off after trying to tie his shoe.
In group 3: ro9ge is barely awake and as soon as he steps onto the pole, he steps off. Smithy seeing this, decides that he will step off since he may have had to stand on this pole again hours later.
In Group 4: These three all seem to be doing very good. The longest by far! It has been 3 hours, and no one is off. At 4 hours and 16 minutes, Sunrose ends up costing herself the challenge because she tried to fix her hair that had fallen in front of her face. Stewie then makes his own decision to get off of the pole because he has has to go to the bathroom for awhile. teddy ends up winning by default!
Carlos, Cin, Josh, Kethry, ro9ge, Smithy, Stewie, and Sunrose are the 8 finalists. They begin the challenge. Carlos and Smithy made the same decision as last time. To step down and let the others enjoy their time here at the mansion. "We are sorry to see that this second part was not as exciting as it was supposed to be, but that is television!" As he said that, the tired ro9ge falls off of his pole without even noticing this time.
Carlos, Smithy, and ro9ge are now the 3 remaining finalists. Smithy- "We will end up winning this in minutes again since ro9ge will probably end up falling asleep. Too bad for him for not getting enough sleep." Carlos- "I hope so. We do deserve to be here since we both gave up our spots in the two previous challenges." ro9ge- "I heard that. The reason I am so tired is because I was up........there is no reason to tell you. I am going to decide to leave the mansion by stepping off of this pole. My family needs me right now, so I will be leaving. Smithy and Carlos, good luck."
We end up leaving the week with ro9ge going willingly. Only 11 remain. Was ro9ge the last greedy person, or was he just another innocent generous one? Stay tuned for next week!
What is your favorite year in history, and why?
1990. That year had a life changing moment for me.
Thats a hard question I am not sure I can completely answer that since I have no true favorite and I am not a history buff. Even in my personal life there are too many favorites to be honest when picking one specific year.
1688. I love the Glorious Revolution.
563 BCE When the Buddha was born.
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"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Now. Why did they (the wolves/greedy people) vote off bo.
Unless he was too close for comfort. I for one am going to have a look through all of bo's posts last round and see if anything that I may have missed sticks out as to why he was eaten/voted off.
Unless the greedy people voted him off because he led us to one of them. (Skythe).
IF so I think we should pay extra close attention to skythe's posts and see if anything pops out.
Of course this is just a suggestion.
Of course I am interested in what you think. as well. So I will be back shortly to see any more posts.
Edit for spelling.
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"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan
Unless he was too close for comfort. I for one am going to have a look through all of bo's posts last round and see if anything that I may have missed sticks out as to why he was eaten/voted off.
Unless the greedy people voted him off because he led us to one of them. (Skythe).
IF so I think we should pay extra close attention to skythe's posts and see if anything pops out.
Of course this is just a suggestion.
Of course I am interested in what you think. as well. So I will be back shortly to see any more posts.
Edit for spelling.
---This message was edited on 2008-11-14 20:40:38---
"If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe." Carl Sagan
Well, I'm not sure why they ate 'Bo either. I thought they might would have ate Teddy since she did request to be eaten.
But I went ahead and compiled the answers together. And here they are:
Questions:
1~I think that since a new season is just about to start, we better stick with the theme. What is your favorite season and why?
2~What is your favorite sport to play, and please give a brief description on it.
3~If you were allowed to be one animal for day, what would it be and why?
4~How would you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the most and 1 being the least) of being materialistic. Why?
5~What is your favorite year in history, and why?
Teal/Blue's Answers:
1~ I would have to go with the winter season. I hate humid and hot summers. I absolutley love the cold, bundling up, and of course playing in the snow.
2~ Baseball. It is the only game where you can defeat time and the world stops. All you have to do is succeed completely, and the game will never end. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks and pray it doesn't rain.
3~ I would ask to be a phoenix. You get the gift of flight, but if you don't like it you don't have to use it. Not just that, but if the day doesn't work out and you get yourself killed, you've still got the opportunity to rise from the ashes.
4~ I'd put myself at about a 3. I think money is a means not an end and you need to try to be satisfied with what you have and not try to have what you think will satisfy you. Maybe it's because money is not really an issue for me, but that's how I feel.
5~ 1990. That year had a life changing moment for me.
Red Wolf's Answers:
1~Spring, because everything is all fresh and new.
2~Basketball, and I don't think you need a description.
3~I think I would like to be an Eagle, to be able to fly so high and see everything so well, and be so regal at the same time.
4~I'd say 1 since I hate to shop and I would much rather wear my ratty old sweats than get all dressed up
5~Thats a hard question I am not sure I can completely answer that since I have no true favorite and I am not a history buff. Even in my personal life there are too many favorites to be honest when picking one specific year.
Purple Wolf's Answers:
1~My favorite season would be Summer. I enjoy the warmth it gives, as well as the long days, which can be filled with various outdoor activities. I also enjoy going on our annual family vacation.
2~As said earlier, I love the summer. One good thing about the summer is the ability to play many sports. I have to say bocce ball is probably my favorite group activity of the summer, I love playing it on the beach. The game play is simple, you throw your ball as close as you can to a previously thrown smaller ball. The ball closest gets a point etc.
3~I would be an Eagle. I've always wanted to fly for real, not just in a plane. Also the eyesight from that height would add to the experience.
4~ 4 up until recently I haven't even cared what clothes I have on. I also don't have any gadgets like a cell phone.
5~1688. I love the Glorious Revolution.
Yellow Wolf's Answers:
1~Autumn because I like the leaves.
2~ice skating Ice skating is traveling on ice with skates, narrow (and sometimes parabolic) blade-like devices moulded into special boots.
3~A whale because they are almost as smart as humans.
4~3 unlike most I personally don't care about owning things.
5~563 BCE When the Buddha was born.
Made your bed, now lay in it....But you can always add a bedside table, change the sheets, take out the trash...it doesn't have to stay the same unless you want it to.
But I went ahead and compiled the answers together. And here they are:
Questions:
1~I think that since a new season is just about to start, we better stick with the theme. What is your favorite season and why?
2~What is your favorite sport to play, and please give a brief description on it.
3~If you were allowed to be one animal for day, what would it be and why?
4~How would you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the most and 1 being the least) of being materialistic. Why?
5~What is your favorite year in history, and why?
Teal/Blue's Answers:
1~ I would have to go with the winter season. I hate humid and hot summers. I absolutley love the cold, bundling up, and of course playing in the snow.
2~ Baseball. It is the only game where you can defeat time and the world stops. All you have to do is succeed completely, and the game will never end. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks and pray it doesn't rain.
3~ I would ask to be a phoenix. You get the gift of flight, but if you don't like it you don't have to use it. Not just that, but if the day doesn't work out and you get yourself killed, you've still got the opportunity to rise from the ashes.
4~ I'd put myself at about a 3. I think money is a means not an end and you need to try to be satisfied with what you have and not try to have what you think will satisfy you. Maybe it's because money is not really an issue for me, but that's how I feel.
5~ 1990. That year had a life changing moment for me.
Red Wolf's Answers:
1~Spring, because everything is all fresh and new.
2~Basketball, and I don't think you need a description.
3~I think I would like to be an Eagle, to be able to fly so high and see everything so well, and be so regal at the same time.
4~I'd say 1 since I hate to shop and I would much rather wear my ratty old sweats than get all dressed up
5~Thats a hard question I am not sure I can completely answer that since I have no true favorite and I am not a history buff. Even in my personal life there are too many favorites to be honest when picking one specific year.
Purple Wolf's Answers:
1~My favorite season would be Summer. I enjoy the warmth it gives, as well as the long days, which can be filled with various outdoor activities. I also enjoy going on our annual family vacation.
2~As said earlier, I love the summer. One good thing about the summer is the ability to play many sports. I have to say bocce ball is probably my favorite group activity of the summer, I love playing it on the beach. The game play is simple, you throw your ball as close as you can to a previously thrown smaller ball. The ball closest gets a point etc.
3~I would be an Eagle. I've always wanted to fly for real, not just in a plane. Also the eyesight from that height would add to the experience.
4~ 4 up until recently I haven't even cared what clothes I have on. I also don't have any gadgets like a cell phone.
5~1688. I love the Glorious Revolution.
Yellow Wolf's Answers:
1~Autumn because I like the leaves.
2~ice skating Ice skating is traveling on ice with skates, narrow (and sometimes parabolic) blade-like devices moulded into special boots.
3~A whale because they are almost as smart as humans.
4~3 unlike most I personally don't care about owning things.
5~563 BCE When the Buddha was born.
Made your bed, now lay in it....But you can always add a bedside table, change the sheets, take out the trash...it doesn't have to stay the same unless you want it to.
Honestly, I'm confused as to why Bo was eaten. Teddybair asked to be eaten, but whatever.
It is 2:30am here, so I am having trouble processing information right now. I will log on tomorrow when I wake up (probably around noon...ah, the joys of college) and post my thoughts then.
Now that both shaidar and sKyhe are gone, I'm out of chief suspects. I'll have to look back over all of the rounds and see who else stands out for me.
Off to bed...
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
It is 2:30am here, so I am having trouble processing information right now. I will log on tomorrow when I wake up (probably around noon...ah, the joys of college) and post my thoughts then.
Now that both shaidar and sKyhe are gone, I'm out of chief suspects. I'll have to look back over all of the rounds and see who else stands out for me.
Off to bed...
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
For what it's worth, I believe this was the first night round in a while that did not time out.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
The stories should be up relatively soon. Sorry for the delay!
Wow, I haven't been on in over 24 hours and it feels as though I haven't missed anything. I'll be back to look at things more closely later. Bo huh? Need to think on that as well.
Week 3 and Week 4 are now up. Week 4 is a very exciting challenge that I hope all of you decide to read. It is a challenge about 13 gold coins for 14 people. One of them will not manage to get a coin and be eliminated from the game. Who will it be? Well you all already know , but I still encourage you to all read it as it may be interesting to you and I spent a good 15 minutes writing it.
Hmm, I always liked chandeliers.
Ok, in terms of the psyche answers, anyone have any opinion as to whether purple and orange sound like Shaidar and Skyhe? I don't have much of an opinion either way, or if they sound like anyone else for that matter. Once again I fell like Red is skipping out on us. In terms of blue/teal, perhaps we have someone older here? At least 18 I suppose. That should eliminate Carlos as a blue suspect.
Ok, in terms of the psyche answers, anyone have any opinion as to whether purple and orange sound like Shaidar and Skyhe? I don't have much of an opinion either way, or if they sound like anyone else for that matter. Once again I fell like Red is skipping out on us. In terms of blue/teal, perhaps we have someone older here? At least 18 I suppose. That should eliminate Carlos as a blue suspect.
I'm surprised the wolves didn't oblige teddy and take her out of the game. Of course, her future non votes will only help the wolves so that might be why she has been left in the game. If she is going to be unable to vote in the future rounds, it will lower our chances as surviving as humans. I've been in a few games where the non voters actually lost it for the humans in the last round.
I need to read through the last few rounds to see if Bo was onto anything which would shed light on why he was eaten. There are still over 20 hours left before the voting is due, so I'll be back later. I agree with josh about the blue/teal answer of 1990. That was 18 years ago so our younger members would be cleared of being the blue/teal wolf. Well, unless the blue/teal wolf was born in 1990. I think being born would be a true life changing event.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
I need to read through the last few rounds to see if Bo was onto anything which would shed light on why he was eaten. There are still over 20 hours left before the voting is due, so I'll be back later. I agree with josh about the blue/teal answer of 1990. That was 18 years ago so our younger members would be cleared of being the blue/teal wolf. Well, unless the blue/teal wolf was born in 1990. I think being born would be a true life changing event.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Reading through the story made me think of "Estate of Panic" on Sci-Fi. It was a decent show, and kept me entertained when I watched it at 12:30 on Friday afternoon on my computer.
Back to the game, I am not really sure where my vote should go for the day. I am going to continue reading over the past rounds, but so far my searches have turned up nothing.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Back to the game, I am not really sure where my vote should go for the day. I am going to continue reading over the past rounds, but so far my searches have turned up nothing.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
In terms of Bo, I think there are several possibilities:
A) As Froggy said, they decided to leave Teddybair in the game as a non voter (although there is some risk there) and vote out another human who is active.
B) They had a burning desire to vote off Bo.
1) Bo was suspicious of one or more of them
2) Bo was not suspicious of any of them and they could frame the people he was suspicious of
3) They thought Bo was the seer (perhaps due to point #1)
C) They couldn't vote off Teddybair (who could be a wolf with a sneaky move) and chose Bo for one of the above reasons.
I will be offline for a bit but will return later tonight to examine Bo's posts.
A) As Froggy said, they decided to leave Teddybair in the game as a non voter (although there is some risk there) and vote out another human who is active.
B) They had a burning desire to vote off Bo.
1) Bo was suspicious of one or more of them
2) Bo was not suspicious of any of them and they could frame the people he was suspicious of
3) They thought Bo was the seer (perhaps due to point #1)
C) They couldn't vote off Teddybair (who could be a wolf with a sneaky move) and chose Bo for one of the above reasons.
I will be offline for a bit but will return later tonight to examine Bo's posts.
I sincerely doubt that teddybair is a wolf. I feel like she would have come out and stated that she was, instead of saying she was human and that she would be off-site for multiple days.
Honestly, my top 2 suspect list right now is Kethry and Ro9ge. Ro has been uncharacteristically under-the-radar this game. When reading over the past rounds, the Red wolf's fourth answer about the ratty old sweats struck me as being similar to something that Kethry would say (I have everyone pegged as a specific voice in my head, so if I ever meet any of you, I won't believe you unless you match the voice in my head).
However, these are just hunches. I am not really sure where to go from here, as I am now out of chief suspects (4demo was shot in round two, after she had somewhat redeemed herself in my eyes, winner was eaten in round two, shaidar was shot round three, and skyhe was shot round four). All I have to go on is hunches.
If I had to say who I trust the most, it would be Carlos and Stewie, as they can only be the purple wolf and I believe we shot the purple wolf with shaidar. However, the person that I trust the most that has also been somewhat vocal this game is froggygg. I don't know why, but she doesn't seem to fit any of the wolves' psychs this game.
So, right now I am torn between Ro9ge and Kethry. But, if someone presents evidence for someone else, I'll listen. I am nowhere close to voting right now...my head is spinning in 11 different directions.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Honestly, my top 2 suspect list right now is Kethry and Ro9ge. Ro has been uncharacteristically under-the-radar this game. When reading over the past rounds, the Red wolf's fourth answer about the ratty old sweats struck me as being similar to something that Kethry would say (I have everyone pegged as a specific voice in my head, so if I ever meet any of you, I won't believe you unless you match the voice in my head).
However, these are just hunches. I am not really sure where to go from here, as I am now out of chief suspects (4demo was shot in round two, after she had somewhat redeemed herself in my eyes, winner was eaten in round two, shaidar was shot round three, and skyhe was shot round four). All I have to go on is hunches.
If I had to say who I trust the most, it would be Carlos and Stewie, as they can only be the purple wolf and I believe we shot the purple wolf with shaidar. However, the person that I trust the most that has also been somewhat vocal this game is froggygg. I don't know why, but she doesn't seem to fit any of the wolves' psychs this game.
So, right now I am torn between Ro9ge and Kethry. But, if someone presents evidence for someone else, I'll listen. I am nowhere close to voting right now...my head is spinning in 11 different directions.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Hmm, I have an alarm ringing in my head and I need to think about some things that have been said by someone over the past few rounds. I'll let it sink in overnight and post sometime in the morning.
Glad to see the activness coming back. I wonder where the majority of the players are though.
Have not yet posted this round:
Carlos16
cinnamon30
Kethry
Ro9ge
Smithy
teddybair
Have posted once this round:
froggygg
StewieGriffin
Sunrose
Have posted multiple times this round:
menz
HiImDavid
joshmayesh
6 people have yet to post and there is less than one day left. I am sorry to see such a good round go. Coming up with a group majority is going to be hard.
Have not yet posted this round:
Carlos16
cinnamon30
Kethry
Ro9ge
Smithy
teddybair
Have posted once this round:
froggygg
StewieGriffin
Sunrose
Have posted multiple times this round:
menz
HiImDavid
joshmayesh
6 people have yet to post and there is less than one day left. I am sorry to see such a good round go. Coming up with a group majority is going to be hard.
Sorry Soccer for the lack of posting this round. Yesterday, I did the paper route, then worked a 12 hour shift my other job. So I came straight home and went to bed, just do the route again today and head into work with my other job for another 8 hours. (Hopefully, cause I am not going to be pulling another 12 hour day again today.)
So I didn't log in and post. I will apologize early if I do not get to log in again before the voting ends. I just do not know how my day will go.
I have been thinking about the people who have been slightly inactive. Like Kethry, Ro9ge and even Smithy.
Although, with yellow wolf's answer, I do have to wonder about their religion though.
Made your bed, now lay in it....But you can always add a bedside table, change the sheets, take out the trash...it doesn't have to stay the same unless you want it to.
So I didn't log in and post. I will apologize early if I do not get to log in again before the voting ends. I just do not know how my day will go.
I have been thinking about the people who have been slightly inactive. Like Kethry, Ro9ge and even Smithy.
Although, with yellow wolf's answer, I do have to wonder about their religion though.
Made your bed, now lay in it....But you can always add a bedside table, change the sheets, take out the trash...it doesn't have to stay the same unless you want it to.
Last round, Bo made reference on several occasions that he was suspicious of Carlos. The votes went to Skyhe, and bo specifically stated that the Carlos issue would be saved for a later round. I think its quite possible that Bo was eaten with the hope that the Carlos argument would go away. However, I'm having a hard time pinpointing Carlos as one of the wolves.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Due to the 'inactive' comment by soccerguy in round one, the timing of the three non-purple psych answers, and who had logged-in as of that time on that day (verified by multiple posts), we learned two pieces of information:
(1) The purple wolf has to be one of MattM462, Shaidar9haran, Dan780, Carlos16, or StewieGriffin.
(2) MattM462, Shaidar9haran, Dan780, Carlos16, and StewieGriffin cannot be either the blue/teal wolf, the red wolf, or the yellow/orange wolf.
We've re-hashed Matt's status too many times to count. Shaidar was shot, and I've already stated I think he was purple. Dan was eaten, so he was a human (in my eyes, probably seer).
Thus, if the purple wolf is still in the game, he has to be either Carlos16 or StewieGriffin. If Carlos16 is a wolf, he has to be purple. Thus, if you think Carlos16 is a wolf, you think that shaidar9haran was innocent.
I don't mean to sound like I am defending Carlos (or StewieGriffin for that matter), but I feel that shaidar9haran was our purple wolf. I feel that our time is better spent going after other targets, but if you decide to continue to pursue purple/Carlos, I will understand. I hope you will understand if I don't join in on a Carlos or Stewie vote, however.
As of right now, I am still torn between Kethry and Ro9ge. Maybe something will come to me while I sleep tonight. Goodnight all.
---This message was edited on 2008-11-16 02:44:05---
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
(1) The purple wolf has to be one of MattM462, Shaidar9haran, Dan780, Carlos16, or StewieGriffin.
(2) MattM462, Shaidar9haran, Dan780, Carlos16, and StewieGriffin cannot be either the blue/teal wolf, the red wolf, or the yellow/orange wolf.
We've re-hashed Matt's status too many times to count. Shaidar was shot, and I've already stated I think he was purple. Dan was eaten, so he was a human (in my eyes, probably seer).
Thus, if the purple wolf is still in the game, he has to be either Carlos16 or StewieGriffin. If Carlos16 is a wolf, he has to be purple. Thus, if you think Carlos16 is a wolf, you think that shaidar9haran was innocent.
I don't mean to sound like I am defending Carlos (or StewieGriffin for that matter), but I feel that shaidar9haran was our purple wolf. I feel that our time is better spent going after other targets, but if you decide to continue to pursue purple/Carlos, I will understand. I hope you will understand if I don't join in on a Carlos or Stewie vote, however.
As of right now, I am still torn between Kethry and Ro9ge. Maybe something will come to me while I sleep tonight. Goodnight all.
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"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Sorry I haven't been on, but yesterday was crazy. I have TKD from 9-12. Then we had enough time to come home to change, eat and then had to go help my friend and her son move into a new house. We didn't finish there until 7:30, then had enough time to come home and shower then head out to our UFC party last night. It was a long day yesterday. But I am here now.
I think shaidar was a wolf, but I believe he was the teal wolf. I did logon yesterday briefly to see the Q&A and when I saw the answer for this round, I felt confident shaidar was the teal wolf. If I'm not mistaken he is 18 and as froggy said 1990 would be life changing if he was born that year. The only way this won't work for me is if shaidar is older than 18. I have been thinking Stewie is our purple wolf. The 2 who are standing out to me right now as the other possible wolves are josh, who keeps pushing the notion that shaidar is either orange or purple, and David who thinks shaidar is the purple wolf. While both are agreeing with what most of us think they seem to be trying to manipulate which color they are and for that reason both of them are hitting high on my list. The fact that we know Bo was human, which I had believed, and he felt shaidar may be the teal wolf as well, also helps me to confirm my initial thoughts when I read the answers again.
So in summary, as of right now I believe the 4 wolves are Shaidar, Stewie, Josh and David. The only other who I think may be a wolf is froggy. While I am not 100% certain of josh and David I feel one of them is a wolf. I am unsure which is more suspicious, but I would replace one of them with froggy if need be. I hope this makes sense.
So this round I am voting for Stewie who I believe is our purple wolf. If someone has something better to add to convince me otherwise, aside from saying they are not a wolf , I will reconsider my vote.
My track record in figuring out who the wolves are is not very good , but right now I am sticking to my first instincts.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I think shaidar was a wolf, but I believe he was the teal wolf. I did logon yesterday briefly to see the Q&A and when I saw the answer for this round, I felt confident shaidar was the teal wolf. If I'm not mistaken he is 18 and as froggy said 1990 would be life changing if he was born that year. The only way this won't work for me is if shaidar is older than 18. I have been thinking Stewie is our purple wolf. The 2 who are standing out to me right now as the other possible wolves are josh, who keeps pushing the notion that shaidar is either orange or purple, and David who thinks shaidar is the purple wolf. While both are agreeing with what most of us think they seem to be trying to manipulate which color they are and for that reason both of them are hitting high on my list. The fact that we know Bo was human, which I had believed, and he felt shaidar may be the teal wolf as well, also helps me to confirm my initial thoughts when I read the answers again.
So in summary, as of right now I believe the 4 wolves are Shaidar, Stewie, Josh and David. The only other who I think may be a wolf is froggy. While I am not 100% certain of josh and David I feel one of them is a wolf. I am unsure which is more suspicious, but I would replace one of them with froggy if need be. I hope this makes sense.
So this round I am voting for Stewie who I believe is our purple wolf. If someone has something better to add to convince me otherwise, aside from saying they are not a wolf , I will reconsider my vote.
My track record in figuring out who the wolves are is not very good , but right now I am sticking to my first instincts.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Cinnamon,
If you're suspicious of me because I mentioned Shaidar could be the purple wolf, then you need to read the previous rounds, including the one where I argued Stewie was the purple wolf and Bo switched off of that vote last minute. There are other times where I suggested Shaidar was not a wolf, against what everyone was saying, but only mentioned him as a possibility to try and see if I was missing what everyone else was getting. I find it odd that you would single me out as most others were stronger supporters of the shaidar as a wolf theory than me. But although I am tempted to join your vote for Stewie right now as one of my previous suspects, especially with only 10+ hours left in the round, I need to bring up my concerns that I referred to last night, especially if I am eaten tonight.
The person who I am most worried about is David, and I would guess the teal wolf. (With Carlos or possibly Stewie as purple)
Let's go back to previous rounds:
In round 1 he leads the vote for Matt, then switches out to vote for someone who was asking to be eaten and would be an inactive (presumably clearing themselves). He claimed it was to give the seer time to vote, but perhaps it was an attempt to get two humans shot consecutively. He did make sure to say he would switch back to Matt if the majority went for CW (a point we can never know if he was sincere about). To me, this is all very odd, but more on this point later.
Round 2: He is very suspicious of 4 demo and Winner (Winner is a known human for being eaten) and is suspicious of Winner for agreeing with 4 demo (someone we have all tended to now believe to be human. He complains that Winner switched to a majority for Matt (a majority that he led! A majority he claimed he would remake if it was lost to CW.) Then, later in the round he completely changes his tack and says he's without suspects. The majority has formed for 4 demo, so why should he look suspicious and vote for her. He doesn't vote at all and leaves no tracks. All very odd.
Round 3: This is where I think I first became wary of David. He starts off saying that he has no grand suspicion because Winner was eaten. So he was still suspicious of Winner???? Then why no vote last round? Then he stirs the pot against Shaidar saying he just has a gut feeling, but not voting yet. He waits to see if anyone takes the bait and Dan jumps in. That's all David needs and he comes out with a post saying the purple wolf HAS to be one of 5 people. He includes Carlos in this list, but then says he's doubtful it's Carlos as Carlos hadn't posted. He also says that nobody came to Matt's defense in round 1, not even a paltry defense, and therefore he was likely human. Well, even if that is a logical conclusion (which I disagree with, if he announced he was a wolf and nobody disagreed, would that likely make him human?), his statement was wrong because in round 1 I had offered a paltry defense when I suggested my concern that people were piling on Matt when others had also been inactive, and that implies he may have been human. David missed this? Chose to ignore it? Regardless, this post shooting defense was likely meant to make David look like he is championing the defense of a human that he led the hunting party against.
He also says he suspects Shaidar because he is being overly helpful. And David isn't being overly helpful? I agree that some wolves are active in order to hide in plain sight, but the reason it works is because humans are overly helpful, so you can't assume that makes Shaidar a wolf. Dan had already posted that he suspected Shaidar, wasn't that helpful?
Round 4: Now that Dan has been eaten he uses it to proclaim the issue of the purple wolf settled. SETTLED? Shaidar may have been a wolf, and many believe him to have been the purple wolf, but because Dan was eaten it's SETTLED? Is David trying to steer us away from someone else as the purple wolf? Not only that, but he makes the claim that Dan was the seer in order to prove Shaidar was purple and now go after Skyhe. But he puts up misinformation about Dan's probable divination in rounds 1, 2, and 3, and only backtracks from this when I point out that Dan couldn't have divined anyone in round 1. Still, he keeps his vote whereas in previous rounds when he is unsure he doesn't vote. He mentions a few times that he doesn't have any reason to switch his vote even though his main argument no longer exists. He then keeps checking back to make sure his target is shot (even just before the round ends.) Perhaps because he has a vote against him and because a minority is forming for Carlos??? He then says that the cell phone answer confirms his suspicion that Shaidar was a wolf? WHAT?? As I said before, and Bo agreed with, high school students all seem to have cell phones, and the new ones at that. I would have thought this would point to someone older, but Bo suggested it could refer to Carlos. Perhaps that's another reason David needed to mention Shaidar once again. After Teddy asks to be eaten he makes a point of bolding a request to the wolves to eat her. This is perhaps in order to make it bold in our mind that he has to ask the wolves because he is not one of them.
Round 5: Now that he made a strong request for Teddy to be eaten, he is able to act surprised that she hasn't been. He even uses the "whatever" term that got Skyhe in so much trouble. He scoffs at the possibility of Teddy being a wolf and says only a human would ask to be shot or eaten for being inactive. If that's the belief, then it's a perfect wolf card to play. It's like saying, "The wolves aren't eating her because she won't vote and it helps them, but she's obviously human so don't bother shooting her anyone. . . .". He then goes on to tell us he had no suspects, then suddenly reverses and says he suspects ro9ge and Kethry. He also doesn't forget to mention that Carlos and Stewie are cleared because Shaidar was the purple wolf, lest we forget. As one last stand, he makes sure to tell us he won't be joining in for a vote for Carlos or Stewie, perhaps as a preemptive strike to let us know it will be difficult to get a majority for those two.
Ok, so if David is a wolf, which one? Haven't I myself argued that the water polo info seems to clear him?
I did say that, and it's been the only thing keeping me from pegging David as the blue teal wolf. But when he brought up his information to support my argument, it gave me a way of understanding how he played it. Nowhere in those posts does it suggest that Water Polo is his favorite sport to play, only that he plays it in college. He might even love to play it, but that doesn't change the fact that he may love playing somehting else even more. Michael Jordan played professional baseball (minor leagues), but would anyone argue that he loved that more than basketball, or golf?
To me, it's a perfect cover. The rest of the blue responses seem to fit David as well. It's also possible that he was born in 1990, or took his first step or said his first word in 1990, another answer possibly cleverly worded to look older than the answer may have implied.
So if David is blue, and I think he is, then that would mean that Shaidar and Skyhe were likely not wolves. I would put Carlos or Stewie as our purple wolf (andf if Carlos, that might also explain why Bo was eaten) and I would have to revisit the orange wolf although I had once suspected Sunrose for that, but I have to look back and see if it still makes sense. I still have no clue about the red wolf, but will look there too. For now, I'm going to vote for David, but I'm interested inwhat Cinnamon has to say as she is voting for Stewie (who is still a suspect to me) and has voted for David before.
EDIT: Also, David makes a point in defending Carlos in later rounds that Carlos hadn't been online when the purple answer was posted in round 1, and that we'll have to take his word for it because it's too late to check. But here is a quote from my post in round 1, a round that I posted in 8 minutes before David had even posted himself. "Cin makes a good point, but when I came online it was early in the round and I checked everyone's status. Everyone had been online . . ." so Carlos HAD been online, and David's attempt to get you to believe otherwise are wrong. Notice I posted this before it was even a question about Carlos, it had to do with Cinnamon's concerns about someone else. (So this also makes Carlos a much bigger suspect to me as David is defending him so much.)
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If you're suspicious of me because I mentioned Shaidar could be the purple wolf, then you need to read the previous rounds, including the one where I argued Stewie was the purple wolf and Bo switched off of that vote last minute. There are other times where I suggested Shaidar was not a wolf, against what everyone was saying, but only mentioned him as a possibility to try and see if I was missing what everyone else was getting. I find it odd that you would single me out as most others were stronger supporters of the shaidar as a wolf theory than me. But although I am tempted to join your vote for Stewie right now as one of my previous suspects, especially with only 10+ hours left in the round, I need to bring up my concerns that I referred to last night, especially if I am eaten tonight.
The person who I am most worried about is David, and I would guess the teal wolf. (With Carlos or possibly Stewie as purple)
Let's go back to previous rounds:
In round 1 he leads the vote for Matt, then switches out to vote for someone who was asking to be eaten and would be an inactive (presumably clearing themselves). He claimed it was to give the seer time to vote, but perhaps it was an attempt to get two humans shot consecutively. He did make sure to say he would switch back to Matt if the majority went for CW (a point we can never know if he was sincere about). To me, this is all very odd, but more on this point later.
Round 2: He is very suspicious of 4 demo and Winner (Winner is a known human for being eaten) and is suspicious of Winner for agreeing with 4 demo (someone we have all tended to now believe to be human. He complains that Winner switched to a majority for Matt (a majority that he led! A majority he claimed he would remake if it was lost to CW.) Then, later in the round he completely changes his tack and says he's without suspects. The majority has formed for 4 demo, so why should he look suspicious and vote for her. He doesn't vote at all and leaves no tracks. All very odd.
Round 3: This is where I think I first became wary of David. He starts off saying that he has no grand suspicion because Winner was eaten. So he was still suspicious of Winner???? Then why no vote last round? Then he stirs the pot against Shaidar saying he just has a gut feeling, but not voting yet. He waits to see if anyone takes the bait and Dan jumps in. That's all David needs and he comes out with a post saying the purple wolf HAS to be one of 5 people. He includes Carlos in this list, but then says he's doubtful it's Carlos as Carlos hadn't posted. He also says that nobody came to Matt's defense in round 1, not even a paltry defense, and therefore he was likely human. Well, even if that is a logical conclusion (which I disagree with, if he announced he was a wolf and nobody disagreed, would that likely make him human?), his statement was wrong because in round 1 I had offered a paltry defense when I suggested my concern that people were piling on Matt when others had also been inactive, and that implies he may have been human. David missed this? Chose to ignore it? Regardless, this post shooting defense was likely meant to make David look like he is championing the defense of a human that he led the hunting party against.
He also says he suspects Shaidar because he is being overly helpful. And David isn't being overly helpful? I agree that some wolves are active in order to hide in plain sight, but the reason it works is because humans are overly helpful, so you can't assume that makes Shaidar a wolf. Dan had already posted that he suspected Shaidar, wasn't that helpful?
Round 4: Now that Dan has been eaten he uses it to proclaim the issue of the purple wolf settled. SETTLED? Shaidar may have been a wolf, and many believe him to have been the purple wolf, but because Dan was eaten it's SETTLED? Is David trying to steer us away from someone else as the purple wolf? Not only that, but he makes the claim that Dan was the seer in order to prove Shaidar was purple and now go after Skyhe. But he puts up misinformation about Dan's probable divination in rounds 1, 2, and 3, and only backtracks from this when I point out that Dan couldn't have divined anyone in round 1. Still, he keeps his vote whereas in previous rounds when he is unsure he doesn't vote. He mentions a few times that he doesn't have any reason to switch his vote even though his main argument no longer exists. He then keeps checking back to make sure his target is shot (even just before the round ends.) Perhaps because he has a vote against him and because a minority is forming for Carlos??? He then says that the cell phone answer confirms his suspicion that Shaidar was a wolf? WHAT?? As I said before, and Bo agreed with, high school students all seem to have cell phones, and the new ones at that. I would have thought this would point to someone older, but Bo suggested it could refer to Carlos. Perhaps that's another reason David needed to mention Shaidar once again. After Teddy asks to be eaten he makes a point of bolding a request to the wolves to eat her. This is perhaps in order to make it bold in our mind that he has to ask the wolves because he is not one of them.
Round 5: Now that he made a strong request for Teddy to be eaten, he is able to act surprised that she hasn't been. He even uses the "whatever" term that got Skyhe in so much trouble. He scoffs at the possibility of Teddy being a wolf and says only a human would ask to be shot or eaten for being inactive. If that's the belief, then it's a perfect wolf card to play. It's like saying, "The wolves aren't eating her because she won't vote and it helps them, but she's obviously human so don't bother shooting her anyone. . . .". He then goes on to tell us he had no suspects, then suddenly reverses and says he suspects ro9ge and Kethry. He also doesn't forget to mention that Carlos and Stewie are cleared because Shaidar was the purple wolf, lest we forget. As one last stand, he makes sure to tell us he won't be joining in for a vote for Carlos or Stewie, perhaps as a preemptive strike to let us know it will be difficult to get a majority for those two.
Ok, so if David is a wolf, which one? Haven't I myself argued that the water polo info seems to clear him?
I did say that, and it's been the only thing keeping me from pegging David as the blue teal wolf. But when he brought up his information to support my argument, it gave me a way of understanding how he played it. Nowhere in those posts does it suggest that Water Polo is his favorite sport to play, only that he plays it in college. He might even love to play it, but that doesn't change the fact that he may love playing somehting else even more. Michael Jordan played professional baseball (minor leagues), but would anyone argue that he loved that more than basketball, or golf?
To me, it's a perfect cover. The rest of the blue responses seem to fit David as well. It's also possible that he was born in 1990, or took his first step or said his first word in 1990, another answer possibly cleverly worded to look older than the answer may have implied.
So if David is blue, and I think he is, then that would mean that Shaidar and Skyhe were likely not wolves. I would put Carlos or Stewie as our purple wolf (andf if Carlos, that might also explain why Bo was eaten) and I would have to revisit the orange wolf although I had once suspected Sunrose for that, but I have to look back and see if it still makes sense. I still have no clue about the red wolf, but will look there too. For now, I'm going to vote for David, but I'm interested inwhat Cinnamon has to say as she is voting for Stewie (who is still a suspect to me) and has voted for David before.
EDIT: Also, David makes a point in defending Carlos in later rounds that Carlos hadn't been online when the purple answer was posted in round 1, and that we'll have to take his word for it because it's too late to check. But here is a quote from my post in round 1, a round that I posted in 8 minutes before David had even posted himself. "Cin makes a good point, but when I came online it was early in the round and I checked everyone's status. Everyone had been online . . ." so Carlos HAD been online, and David's attempt to get you to believe otherwise are wrong. Notice I posted this before it was even a question about Carlos, it had to do with Cinnamon's concerns about someone else. (So this also makes Carlos a much bigger suspect to me as David is defending him so much.)
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Wow, one of the longest posts in a while. First, I will go through why I cannot be each of the wolves. I have hesitated to do this, because once someone is fully clear in this game they have a tendency to get eaten.
Teal: My favorite sport is water polo, not baseball. I have no idea how to succedd 'completely' to make sure the game never ends. Perhaps the most convincing argument is that "money is not really an issue for me" does not apply to me. First of all, I'm a college student, so I'm broke. But, you could argue that my parents have money. Wrong. We are not poor by any stretch of the imagination, but we are definitely middle-class. Sometimes money gets tight and my family can't get everything we want. We only occasionally go out for fast food, preferring to save our money on things we find more enjoyable. Instead of going out to theatres to watch movie for about $30-40 for us four, we rent a movie for $3. You can believe this or not, but money is definitely not a non-issue for me.
Red: I hate basketball, I love water polo. I have never liked basketball. I'm also not so arrogant as to say "and I don't think you need a description." I don't hate to shop, I simply can't most of the time. However, that is not to say I like wearing my ratty old sweats. Though sweats are comfortable, I find getting dressed up a lot more fun.I work with the clothes I have as well as going to Goodwill a lot of the time (people just give away perfectly good clothes, and a complete very good looking outfit (minus the underwear, gross) can sometimes only cost $8-12). I love getting dressed up and looking nice. Dress to impress.
Purple: The only outstanding error that makes the purple wolf not apply to me is the fact that purple does not have a cell phone. I am a college student, I NEED a cell phone. How else would I call home, call friends, learn what people are doing, etc.? My dorm does not even have a phone line anymore. To be clear so you don't think I am dodging if I have a cell phone by asking rhetorical questions, I do not have a cell phone. I would be cut off communicationally from the world if I did not have cell phone.
Orange: I like water polo the best. I can't ice skate, give me a break. I tried once as a six-year-old, but failed miserably by falling on my butt continuously. It took until a birthday party at the age of 12 to get me to go back. I still didn't like it, though I don't hate it. The closest ice rink to my house is 20-30 minutes away, though I can't prove it. Buddha being born, not the greatest event in history. I would likely have picked 1911, because that is when the Chinese dynastic cycle ended, or 1865, the year the Civil War ended. Other than the ice skating, there isn't much to defend. I can say I wouldn't have picked a whale, but how can you really defend that? Just to be clear, I dislike ice skating, it is nowhere close to being my favorite sport.
END DEFENSE OF WOLVES. DEFENSE OF ACTIONS:.I will go through and explain each of my actions you find suspicious Josh.
First round, I started a vote for Matt, true. First one is always a little random and he was inactive, so I figured I would throw out a preliminary vote for him. I came back and people had started piling on, and I saw some reason for alarm since there was no second minority forming. Near the end, when it wsas something like 9 or 10 votes for Matt, I switched off to give one more person (hopefully the Seer) a chance to vote. I did not want anyone other than Matt to be shot. You can look in my previous games, I commonly switch away when it is clear someone is going to be shot to give as many people a chance to vote as possible. Maximizes the chance of the Seer divining someone.
Round two. 4demo seemed very suspicious at the outset with the quick vote. I wasn't the only one that thought that, so using that as suspicion toward me is a little wrong. Near the end (I was busy with RL this round), with all of 4demo's research, I recanted. She seemed human. I meant to log on later in the round (notice in my last post I said I would check in later the next day), but never got the chance. I never voted because I had nowhere to place my vote.
Round three. Coming. Yes, I was still suspicious of winner. 4demo not so much, but winner yes. I wasn't stirring the pot with shaidar, I thought he was purple, and I was throwing my thoughts out there. If no one agreed, I would be forced to go with what other people thought, as one-vote majorities just ask for the wolves to shoot a human. I stand by that the purple wolf is one of the 5 people I have said and the blue, red, and orange wolves are in the 15 other people. I am sorry that I missed your paltry defense on Matt, Josh. How come you have not brought this up until now, however? It seems more likely you would remember a post you made, whereas me scanning dozens of posts, it is likely I would forget one. About being overly helpful, you are too now josh. Anyway, I suspected shaidar. If you want to shoot me for that, fine. But, I stand by my suspicions for him and I stand by helping lead him to get shot.
Round four. Like I said, I believe purple to be one of the five people. With Dan eaten, that only left two purple suspects in the game, and neither fits the purple wolf in my mind. Thus, for me, the issue was settled with Dan being eaten. I also stated others could take it differently, but that was my opinion. I apologize for the "misinformation" about Dan being the Seer, that was my best guess. It turned out he couldn't have divined both. You caught that josh, good job. About the cell phone thing, yes it is true about 99% of high schoolers seem to have cell phones. Yet, I know plenty of people who still don't that are in high school. And, it makes much more sense to be that shaidar would not have a cell phone than my other purple suspects in the game. Sorry, that's how I feel. Like round three, I went for my chief suspect of sKyhe. If leading a revolution against him leads to me being shot, so be it. I feel that sKyhe was a wolf, probably orange. I stand by my actions in round four, because I think we shot a wolf.
Round five coming. First of all, if teddybair says she is not going to be on-site, it would be a complete jerk move to say she was a human and then leave for multiple days. And, it would be even more of a jerk to say she was not going to be on-site, then log-on during the night and vote to make sure it ended early. I don't believe teddybair is a jerk. Sorry. Now, moving on, you are twisting my words josh. At 2:31am I wrote "I'm out of chief suspects". At 8:31pm, I say I am going to search through and try to find some suspects. At 9:51pm I come back with a top 2 suspect list. Just because I am out of chief suspects doesn't mean I can't find anyone suspicious. You are twisting my words in order to make me appear way more guilty than I am. I stand by my actions so far this round.
NOW, ON TO JOSH: I am going to be placing a vote for Josh this round. In addition to not voting for shaidar9haran and sKyhe (actions he can defend, but since I believe those two to be wolves, I find those actions suspicious), Josh has come out attacking me this round. Yet, this is not a retaliatory vote. Josh, has stayed active yet behind-the-scenes this entire game. I honestly did not suspect him before this round, as evidenced by my posts. Yet, I can't help but do so now. Looking over his performance throughout the game, it sticks out at me. My vote is going for josh. I encourage you all to do the same.
(For the record, in case I am shot, soccerguy is revealing the number of wolves left in the game next round. If I am shot and you believe I am a wolf, then you must believe (a) Matt is not a wolf since I started the voting off for him (b) shaidar is not a wolf since I led the voting for him (c) sKyhe is not a wolf, since I led the voting for her. Also, I clearly voiced early suspicions of 4demo, which if we were both wolves I clearly would not have done. I would have made sure to vote for someone else to help her, but I didn't. Thus, if you think I am a wolf, it appears I will be the first one shot in this game. That means soccerguy should reveal 3 left in; if he reveals that only 2 are left, I was a human, shaidar and sKyhe were wolves. Use this info next round if I am not here)
My vote goes for Josh. I apologize for the insanely long post. It has taken an insanely long time to write.
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"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Teal: My favorite sport is water polo, not baseball. I have no idea how to succedd 'completely' to make sure the game never ends. Perhaps the most convincing argument is that "money is not really an issue for me" does not apply to me. First of all, I'm a college student, so I'm broke. But, you could argue that my parents have money. Wrong. We are not poor by any stretch of the imagination, but we are definitely middle-class. Sometimes money gets tight and my family can't get everything we want. We only occasionally go out for fast food, preferring to save our money on things we find more enjoyable. Instead of going out to theatres to watch movie for about $30-40 for us four, we rent a movie for $3. You can believe this or not, but money is definitely not a non-issue for me.
Red: I hate basketball, I love water polo. I have never liked basketball. I'm also not so arrogant as to say "and I don't think you need a description." I don't hate to shop, I simply can't most of the time. However, that is not to say I like wearing my ratty old sweats. Though sweats are comfortable, I find getting dressed up a lot more fun.I work with the clothes I have as well as going to Goodwill a lot of the time (people just give away perfectly good clothes, and a complete very good looking outfit (minus the underwear, gross) can sometimes only cost $8-12). I love getting dressed up and looking nice. Dress to impress.
Purple: The only outstanding error that makes the purple wolf not apply to me is the fact that purple does not have a cell phone. I am a college student, I NEED a cell phone. How else would I call home, call friends, learn what people are doing, etc.? My dorm does not even have a phone line anymore. To be clear so you don't think I am dodging if I have a cell phone by asking rhetorical questions, I do not have a cell phone. I would be cut off communicationally from the world if I did not have cell phone.
Orange: I like water polo the best. I can't ice skate, give me a break. I tried once as a six-year-old, but failed miserably by falling on my butt continuously. It took until a birthday party at the age of 12 to get me to go back. I still didn't like it, though I don't hate it. The closest ice rink to my house is 20-30 minutes away, though I can't prove it. Buddha being born, not the greatest event in history. I would likely have picked 1911, because that is when the Chinese dynastic cycle ended, or 1865, the year the Civil War ended. Other than the ice skating, there isn't much to defend. I can say I wouldn't have picked a whale, but how can you really defend that? Just to be clear, I dislike ice skating, it is nowhere close to being my favorite sport.
END DEFENSE OF WOLVES. DEFENSE OF ACTIONS:.I will go through and explain each of my actions you find suspicious Josh.
First round, I started a vote for Matt, true. First one is always a little random and he was inactive, so I figured I would throw out a preliminary vote for him. I came back and people had started piling on, and I saw some reason for alarm since there was no second minority forming. Near the end, when it wsas something like 9 or 10 votes for Matt, I switched off to give one more person (hopefully the Seer) a chance to vote. I did not want anyone other than Matt to be shot. You can look in my previous games, I commonly switch away when it is clear someone is going to be shot to give as many people a chance to vote as possible. Maximizes the chance of the Seer divining someone.
Round two. 4demo seemed very suspicious at the outset with the quick vote. I wasn't the only one that thought that, so using that as suspicion toward me is a little wrong. Near the end (I was busy with RL this round), with all of 4demo's research, I recanted. She seemed human. I meant to log on later in the round (notice in my last post I said I would check in later the next day), but never got the chance. I never voted because I had nowhere to place my vote.
Round three. Coming. Yes, I was still suspicious of winner. 4demo not so much, but winner yes. I wasn't stirring the pot with shaidar, I thought he was purple, and I was throwing my thoughts out there. If no one agreed, I would be forced to go with what other people thought, as one-vote majorities just ask for the wolves to shoot a human. I stand by that the purple wolf is one of the 5 people I have said and the blue, red, and orange wolves are in the 15 other people. I am sorry that I missed your paltry defense on Matt, Josh. How come you have not brought this up until now, however? It seems more likely you would remember a post you made, whereas me scanning dozens of posts, it is likely I would forget one. About being overly helpful, you are too now josh. Anyway, I suspected shaidar. If you want to shoot me for that, fine. But, I stand by my suspicions for him and I stand by helping lead him to get shot.
Round four. Like I said, I believe purple to be one of the five people. With Dan eaten, that only left two purple suspects in the game, and neither fits the purple wolf in my mind. Thus, for me, the issue was settled with Dan being eaten. I also stated others could take it differently, but that was my opinion. I apologize for the "misinformation" about Dan being the Seer, that was my best guess. It turned out he couldn't have divined both. You caught that josh, good job. About the cell phone thing, yes it is true about 99% of high schoolers seem to have cell phones. Yet, I know plenty of people who still don't that are in high school. And, it makes much more sense to be that shaidar would not have a cell phone than my other purple suspects in the game. Sorry, that's how I feel. Like round three, I went for my chief suspect of sKyhe. If leading a revolution against him leads to me being shot, so be it. I feel that sKyhe was a wolf, probably orange. I stand by my actions in round four, because I think we shot a wolf.
Round five coming. First of all, if teddybair says she is not going to be on-site, it would be a complete jerk move to say she was a human and then leave for multiple days. And, it would be even more of a jerk to say she was not going to be on-site, then log-on during the night and vote to make sure it ended early. I don't believe teddybair is a jerk. Sorry. Now, moving on, you are twisting my words josh. At 2:31am I wrote "I'm out of chief suspects". At 8:31pm, I say I am going to search through and try to find some suspects. At 9:51pm I come back with a top 2 suspect list. Just because I am out of chief suspects doesn't mean I can't find anyone suspicious. You are twisting my words in order to make me appear way more guilty than I am. I stand by my actions so far this round.
NOW, ON TO JOSH: I am going to be placing a vote for Josh this round. In addition to not voting for shaidar9haran and sKyhe (actions he can defend, but since I believe those two to be wolves, I find those actions suspicious), Josh has come out attacking me this round. Yet, this is not a retaliatory vote. Josh, has stayed active yet behind-the-scenes this entire game. I honestly did not suspect him before this round, as evidenced by my posts. Yet, I can't help but do so now. Looking over his performance throughout the game, it sticks out at me. My vote is going for josh. I encourage you all to do the same.
(For the record, in case I am shot, soccerguy is revealing the number of wolves left in the game next round. If I am shot and you believe I am a wolf, then you must believe (a) Matt is not a wolf since I started the voting off for him (b) shaidar is not a wolf since I led the voting for him (c) sKyhe is not a wolf, since I led the voting for her. Also, I clearly voiced early suspicions of 4demo, which if we were both wolves I clearly would not have done. I would have made sure to vote for someone else to help her, but I didn't. Thus, if you think I am a wolf, it appears I will be the first one shot in this game. That means soccerguy should reveal 3 left in; if he reveals that only 2 are left, I was a human, shaidar and sKyhe were wolves. Use this info next round if I am not here)
My vote goes for Josh. I apologize for the insanely long post. It has taken an insanely long time to write.
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"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Good. Although I suspect you David, I value you in the game. If you are a human (although I really doubt it) I would hate for you to get shot without defending yourself and poking holes in my argument if there are any. That's why I wanted to make sure to post my thoughts with plenty of time left. Now post already so I can get to thinking.
I'll probably vote David or Josh, I suspected Josh a little coming into the round, but his post about david DOES make some sense. I'll wait to see what David's response is before I vote.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Done editing.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
David,
In terms of your defenses against being a wolf, I'll start off by saying that a wolf is ALLOWED TO LIE during the day, so just making a claim something doesn't fit you is not a defense, unless you prove it from somewhere else like you tried before with the water polo. But besides that, I still don't think your defense holds water anyway. For blue, you mention the money part. first of all, if you get your support from your parents as you suggest, then money is NOT an issue for YOU, it is for your parents. So you could make that argument and still hide behind this defense. Teal wolf also says not "really" an issue, meaning it is a an issue somewhat, which would fit within your middle class statement I suspect. I don't really peg you on the other wolves, but just for argument's sake you mentioned that you couldn't communicate without a cell phone? How are you communicating right now? You don't need a cell to get on the internet you know.
In terms of your round by round defenses, in round two, I wasn't suggesting that your suspicion of 4demo made you a wolf, I myself suspected 4 demo at some points in this game, it was the interplay with Winner that I was referring to. I mentioned Matt now because I noticed it while going through the rounds trying to figure out what was bothering me about you. In terms of being overly helpful, I never said that was suspicious, you did. I said that was what humans do. Are you now trying to argue that I'm a wolf for making an argument that you made? One which I disagreed with and called wolfish? That makes no sense whatsoever. Round 4: You didn't say it was settled just for you, you said it was settled. Maybe not a big deal, I know, but you're not really responding to my arguments about this round other than saying that you stand by your arguments. Round 5. I'm not even saying Teddy bair is a wolf, just that your discounting the argument is suspicious. But you're right about the "chief suspects" part. That doesn't take away from the rest of my reasons for thinking you're a wolf though. And I wasn't trying to twist your words, that's how I read them. I do think it's suspicious that you're pointing to me as a wolf just because I pointed out many reasons why you're wolfish, that's another reason to suspect you. It look like you're done with your post, but you haven't changed my mind at all. You now say it's not in retaliation, but how else am I supposed to read it?
And about the number of wolves, you say if it's three then I'm right and if it's 2 then you're right? what if it's one? How come that's not a possibility? How do you KNOW that's not a possibility? And if it's two, why does that make me a wolf? Yes I think 4 demo was human, but if she was a wolf, I voted for her, you did not. Perhaps you and 4 demo are wolves? You sound to certain in your arguments.
In terms of your defenses against being a wolf, I'll start off by saying that a wolf is ALLOWED TO LIE during the day, so just making a claim something doesn't fit you is not a defense, unless you prove it from somewhere else like you tried before with the water polo. But besides that, I still don't think your defense holds water anyway. For blue, you mention the money part. first of all, if you get your support from your parents as you suggest, then money is NOT an issue for YOU, it is for your parents. So you could make that argument and still hide behind this defense. Teal wolf also says not "really" an issue, meaning it is a an issue somewhat, which would fit within your middle class statement I suspect. I don't really peg you on the other wolves, but just for argument's sake you mentioned that you couldn't communicate without a cell phone? How are you communicating right now? You don't need a cell to get on the internet you know.
In terms of your round by round defenses, in round two, I wasn't suggesting that your suspicion of 4demo made you a wolf, I myself suspected 4 demo at some points in this game, it was the interplay with Winner that I was referring to. I mentioned Matt now because I noticed it while going through the rounds trying to figure out what was bothering me about you. In terms of being overly helpful, I never said that was suspicious, you did. I said that was what humans do. Are you now trying to argue that I'm a wolf for making an argument that you made? One which I disagreed with and called wolfish? That makes no sense whatsoever. Round 4: You didn't say it was settled just for you, you said it was settled. Maybe not a big deal, I know, but you're not really responding to my arguments about this round other than saying that you stand by your arguments. Round 5. I'm not even saying Teddy bair is a wolf, just that your discounting the argument is suspicious. But you're right about the "chief suspects" part. That doesn't take away from the rest of my reasons for thinking you're a wolf though. And I wasn't trying to twist your words, that's how I read them. I do think it's suspicious that you're pointing to me as a wolf just because I pointed out many reasons why you're wolfish, that's another reason to suspect you. It look like you're done with your post, but you haven't changed my mind at all. You now say it's not in retaliation, but how else am I supposed to read it?
And about the number of wolves, you say if it's three then I'm right and if it's 2 then you're right? what if it's one? How come that's not a possibility? How do you KNOW that's not a possibility? And if it's two, why does that make me a wolf? Yes I think 4 demo was human, but if she was a wolf, I voted for her, you did not. Perhaps you and 4 demo are wolves? You sound to certain in your arguments.
I will play out the number of wolves scenario near the end of the round, when it is more clear which of us will be shot josh.
About communicating, yes I can communicate with the Internet. Yet, if when I was walking around, I had no means of contacting the rest of the world (such as if I had no money to take the Metro back), that would be very dangerous. Yes, I can communicate with the rest of the world with a computer, but be honest, how much harder would your life be if you didn't have any type of phone. Communicating with people and making plans would be next-to-impossible.
About round four, I am not sure how else to defend my actions. I think sKyhe was a wolf, which in my eyes justifies me going after her. I am sorry I didn't say the purple issue was settled just for me, that is how I meant it. However, I can't justify my actions in round four any more so than by saying I think sKyhe was a wolf, and this justifies my actions (for example, let's say in roudn seven you are still in josh. How else can you justify your actions this round than by saying you thought I was wolf?).
EDIT: I have now spent an hour on TWG, and need to go do homework. I will check in later.
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"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
About communicating, yes I can communicate with the Internet. Yet, if when I was walking around, I had no means of contacting the rest of the world (such as if I had no money to take the Metro back), that would be very dangerous. Yes, I can communicate with the rest of the world with a computer, but be honest, how much harder would your life be if you didn't have any type of phone. Communicating with people and making plans would be next-to-impossible.
About round four, I am not sure how else to defend my actions. I think sKyhe was a wolf, which in my eyes justifies me going after her. I am sorry I didn't say the purple issue was settled just for me, that is how I meant it. However, I can't justify my actions in round four any more so than by saying I think sKyhe was a wolf, and this justifies my actions (for example, let's say in roudn seven you are still in josh. How else can you justify your actions this round than by saying you thought I was wolf?).
EDIT: I have now spent an hour on TWG, and need to go do homework. I will check in later.
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"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
David, like I said, I don't think you're the purple wolf, I'm just pointing out that your arguments typically leave more gray area than you suggest. In terms of round four, I understand that you're saying how do you defend what you thought ot be correct, you can't, it's what you thought. But you don't explain any of the points I made other than saying, that that's who you wanted to vote for. That doesn't work for me. How does the cell phone answer confirm it's Shaidar? What about ro9ge, Carlos, yourself or any other young player fit in according to your argument? And if I caught you on the Dan seer issue, why didn't that make your new uncertainty enough to pull back your vote? Why did you still think skyhe was the orange wolf. I agree, she might fit the response, but how so more than Sunrose or Cinnamon? If there's uncertainty, and in previous rounds you pulled out of an uncertain vote (see 4demo), then why not here? That's what makes me suspicious, not that you thought skyhe was a wolf, but why you were adamant.
EDIT: And one more thing, and this is a key point I think. If skyhe was the orange wolf, then shooting her could have been a brilliant ploy on your part. Knowing that soccerguy was going to reveal the number of wolves shot, knowing that there was already a target on skyhe's back, and having argued so strongly in favor of shaidar, if the number came up as two, then you look vindicated for having voted for shaidar and skyhe, and if the number came up as one, all signs still point to shaidar or at the least skyhe, and you can hide behind the argument that you were following Dan as a seer. My post about Dan not divining in round 1 would actually help you in that regard and you can say that you yourself had backed down a bit from the argument. Not only that, but you could always appease skyhe later by saying she was already doomed and this was a way to take a bullet for the rest of the wolves. (if she was even a wolf that is). I don't know many who would be able to pull this off, but you certainly have the intelligence to do it.
Ok, that's enough for me for now, I will also check in later.
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EDIT: And one more thing, and this is a key point I think. If skyhe was the orange wolf, then shooting her could have been a brilliant ploy on your part. Knowing that soccerguy was going to reveal the number of wolves shot, knowing that there was already a target on skyhe's back, and having argued so strongly in favor of shaidar, if the number came up as two, then you look vindicated for having voted for shaidar and skyhe, and if the number came up as one, all signs still point to shaidar or at the least skyhe, and you can hide behind the argument that you were following Dan as a seer. My post about Dan not divining in round 1 would actually help you in that regard and you can say that you yourself had backed down a bit from the argument. Not only that, but you could always appease skyhe later by saying she was already doomed and this was a way to take a bullet for the rest of the wolves. (if she was even a wolf that is). I don't know many who would be able to pull this off, but you certainly have the intelligence to do it.
Ok, that's enough for me for now, I will also check in later.
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EDITs in blue: When I posted, I was only responding to the first part of josh's post, the edit hadn't been there yet. I will separate this post into two parts. First, responding to josh's first paragraph.
I couldn't stay away, homework pales in comparison to this. I'll pay for it later.
The simple answer is that I think Dan is the Seer. And, from my experience as the Seer (months ago, so this could have changed), if you vote for person A (like Dan voting for shaidar9haran in Round Two), you must select person B to divine. They cannot be the same. Thus, my best guess is that Dan divined sKyhe in round two, hoping to simply get a majority on shaidar without knowing his true identity.
I was also adamant because (1) I still do not understand the suspicion for Sunrose (2) I've explained why Carlos and Stewie can't be orange in my eyes (3) Ro didn't seem to fit (4) sKyhe was my best guess and in retrospect I stand by that decision.
That's my answer.
Josh, my vote stays for you. The fact that you have come on so strongly this round leads me to suspecting you. I have never seen you come on this strongly before (this is our third game?), which makes me think you are becoming increasingly desperate as a wolf, as if 2 wolves had been shot at my doing. I am assuming your vote will stay for me josh, so it is up to everyone else.
Now, I am really off to do homework.
And, responding to the second paragraph...Now you are arguing that perhaps shaidar and sKyhe were in fact wolves and by completely leading something against them, I am a wolf as well? You seem to be switching arguments, stating now that if shaidar and sKyhe were wolves, I am a wolf but if they weren't, I am also a wolf. Let's face it, I would be a complete jerk for throwing two of my wolves under the bus. That would be one of the worst moves ever in this game, because I would end up in this situation (with, according to your situation only one wolf to defend me), where we go against each other. Sorry, but that last situation leaves me throwing too many wolves under the bus.
My vote stays for josh even more so, as he appears to be switching arguments on me.
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"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
I couldn't stay away, homework pales in comparison to this. I'll pay for it later.
The simple answer is that I think Dan is the Seer. And, from my experience as the Seer (months ago, so this could have changed), if you vote for person A (like Dan voting for shaidar9haran in Round Two), you must select person B to divine. They cannot be the same. Thus, my best guess is that Dan divined sKyhe in round two, hoping to simply get a majority on shaidar without knowing his true identity.
I was also adamant because (1) I still do not understand the suspicion for Sunrose (2) I've explained why Carlos and Stewie can't be orange in my eyes (3) Ro didn't seem to fit (4) sKyhe was my best guess and in retrospect I stand by that decision.
That's my answer.
Josh, my vote stays for you. The fact that you have come on so strongly this round leads me to suspecting you. I have never seen you come on this strongly before (this is our third game?), which makes me think you are becoming increasingly desperate as a wolf, as if 2 wolves had been shot at my doing. I am assuming your vote will stay for me josh, so it is up to everyone else.
Now, I am really off to do homework.
And, responding to the second paragraph...Now you are arguing that perhaps shaidar and sKyhe were in fact wolves and by completely leading something against them, I am a wolf as well? You seem to be switching arguments, stating now that if shaidar and sKyhe were wolves, I am a wolf but if they weren't, I am also a wolf. Let's face it, I would be a complete jerk for throwing two of my wolves under the bus. That would be one of the worst moves ever in this game, because I would end up in this situation (with, according to your situation only one wolf to defend me), where we go against each other. Sorry, but that last situation leaves me throwing too many wolves under the bus.
My vote stays for josh even more so, as he appears to be switching arguments on me.
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"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
I didn't switch arguments on you, and I didn't say that you voted for two fellow wolves. You're trying to make my argument (which I never said was my new argument, just a possibility. I'm raising mul;tiple possibbilities that may not fit together because I don't KNOW as you seem to suggest you do, which is the right one.)
But let me ask you David, and anyone else who thinks it's the case, if I'm a wolf, why would I do this now??? I could have simply joined a vote for Stewie who I had previously suspected and not drawn any attention to myself. If I was a wolf, having Stewie shot would also take care of the "reveal" that Soccerguy is making. Was Shaidar the wolf, or Stewie? Both plausible.) If I wanted David gone so bad, I could then eat him during that round. So calling out David now, when it wuld be totally against my own self interest as it would make me look suspicious, only makes sense for the very reason I'm doing it. because I think he's a wolf.
Which wolf do I fit into anyway? I also haven't talked about it because it seems wolfish sometimes to defend when not accused, but since I'm accused:
My favorite sport to play is baseball. So I would only fit the blue wolf. I played in highschool, and as some of you may know, I am a Dodger fan and enjoy watching it as well. I could tell you that I played volleyball in college (which is true) and so not look like I fit as a wolf for any color, but the truth is my answer would be baseball. this is one reason why David's answer seems to still fit for me. But for the rest of the response, it makes no sense. I can't make sense of the rest of the baseball part of the post. I live in Los Angeles, we have no snow and it's not humid. No concern about rainouts either by the way. Phoenix, well, I do like literature, but I probably would have picked a dolphin. whenever I go to the beach I sculpt them in the sand (that's my beach activity by the way, not purple wolf either.) In terms of the money not being an issue, I'm a teacher, my wife doesn't work, and I have three kids in private school. I'm barely getting by.
Other wolves, well besides the fact that the sports answer doesn't fit, I have railed against the red wolf's answer's as being incomplete and unfair. Maybe you think I set that up, but that's tacky in my opinion. I wouldn't do it. You'll just have to believe that, nothing else I can say about that. I don't like to play basketball, I'm too short to do well enough in it. I like the spring, but it makes my allergies react. I probably would have said baseball season is my favorite season. I don't wear sweatpants. Can't prove it though.
Purple? I have a cell phone. It's an LG. Verizon wireless. I like the fact that I can call other verizon members for free. I'd give you my number to prove it but that's a bit creepy to me. I have never played boccee or bocci as it should be spelled. I also have lots of gadgets (hey it turns out purple wolf never said they didn't have a cell phone, just that they don't have gadgets like a cell phone. Don't know what to make of that now.)
Orange? I don't have a Fall season in Los Angeles, and the leaves don't change color. I would not want to be a whale. I haven't ice skated since I was a kid and would never call it a sport, baseball is a sport. I am not a Buddhist and don't know much about the religion or Buddha for that matter.
So David, which one am I? Remember, if I'm a wolf, I have to be one of them. I think you're just deflecting pressure off of yourself onto the one who is making a good case against you.
But let me ask you David, and anyone else who thinks it's the case, if I'm a wolf, why would I do this now??? I could have simply joined a vote for Stewie who I had previously suspected and not drawn any attention to myself. If I was a wolf, having Stewie shot would also take care of the "reveal" that Soccerguy is making. Was Shaidar the wolf, or Stewie? Both plausible.) If I wanted David gone so bad, I could then eat him during that round. So calling out David now, when it wuld be totally against my own self interest as it would make me look suspicious, only makes sense for the very reason I'm doing it. because I think he's a wolf.
Which wolf do I fit into anyway? I also haven't talked about it because it seems wolfish sometimes to defend when not accused, but since I'm accused:
My favorite sport to play is baseball. So I would only fit the blue wolf. I played in highschool, and as some of you may know, I am a Dodger fan and enjoy watching it as well. I could tell you that I played volleyball in college (which is true) and so not look like I fit as a wolf for any color, but the truth is my answer would be baseball. this is one reason why David's answer seems to still fit for me. But for the rest of the response, it makes no sense. I can't make sense of the rest of the baseball part of the post. I live in Los Angeles, we have no snow and it's not humid. No concern about rainouts either by the way. Phoenix, well, I do like literature, but I probably would have picked a dolphin. whenever I go to the beach I sculpt them in the sand (that's my beach activity by the way, not purple wolf either.) In terms of the money not being an issue, I'm a teacher, my wife doesn't work, and I have three kids in private school. I'm barely getting by.
Other wolves, well besides the fact that the sports answer doesn't fit, I have railed against the red wolf's answer's as being incomplete and unfair. Maybe you think I set that up, but that's tacky in my opinion. I wouldn't do it. You'll just have to believe that, nothing else I can say about that. I don't like to play basketball, I'm too short to do well enough in it. I like the spring, but it makes my allergies react. I probably would have said baseball season is my favorite season. I don't wear sweatpants. Can't prove it though.
Purple? I have a cell phone. It's an LG. Verizon wireless. I like the fact that I can call other verizon members for free. I'd give you my number to prove it but that's a bit creepy to me. I have never played boccee or bocci as it should be spelled. I also have lots of gadgets (hey it turns out purple wolf never said they didn't have a cell phone, just that they don't have gadgets like a cell phone. Don't know what to make of that now.)
Orange? I don't have a Fall season in Los Angeles, and the leaves don't change color. I would not want to be a whale. I haven't ice skated since I was a kid and would never call it a sport, baseball is a sport. I am not a Buddhist and don't know much about the religion or Buddha for that matter.
So David, which one am I? Remember, if I'm a wolf, I have to be one of them. I think you're just deflecting pressure off of yourself onto the one who is making a good case against you.
A lot of active posting now since 4 hours ago. Thank you.
Josh, I would say you are blue. I have already stated I think purple and orange are gone, and you don't fit red. Just because you live in Los Angeles doesn't mean you don't enjoy winter. You can still enjoy bundling up and playing in the snow, even if you never get the chance to do so. Money isn't "really" an issue for you (you used the same argument on me), you are getting by. You admit you love baseball. As for the dolphin/phoenix thing, that is not a defense. You can lie and say you would have picked a chimpanzee or a hummingbird or a cat, but that could easily be a lie. The real-life stories I am inclined to believe, but what animal you would pick is an easy lie.
Personally, I think you are blue.
As to why you would come out and attack me now, I honestly don't know. It doesn't make a ton of sense, but perhaps the "Why would I do this now?" is your defense. Because you came out and are attacking me instead of eating me, you get to discredit me. You get to make everyone question everything I have said this whole game, whereas if you had simply eaten me, they would have known all of it is valid. That is the best answer I have for you. I don't know why you decided to come out this round and start attacking me, perhaps you will explain in the post-game.
I have you as the blue wolf Josh.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Personally, I think you are blue.
As to why you would come out and attack me now, I honestly don't know. It doesn't make a ton of sense, but perhaps the "Why would I do this now?" is your defense. Because you came out and are attacking me instead of eating me, you get to discredit me. You get to make everyone question everything I have said this whole game, whereas if you had simply eaten me, they would have known all of it is valid. That is the best answer I have for you. I don't know why you decided to come out this round and start attacking me, perhaps you will explain in the post-game.
I have you as the blue wolf Josh.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
You neglected to focus on the humidity, and as for the money issue, the difference is that your money is coming from another source. I will leave it up to others to see if I really sound more like the blue wolf than you do. By the way, do you mind telling us what year you were born in? First step? Conceived? First word? I would guess it has to be around 1990 . . .
EDIT: As to coming on strong, that's funny. Check the games I have played in, many of them are listed in the reunion TB, I ALWAYS come on strong as a human when I have a wolf in my sights. (To be fair, I also will come on strong as a wolf, so it's not a defense, but it doesn't make me a wolf the fact that I'm coming on strong.) And you said you wouldn't have picked a whale, I agree with your statement that you can always lie about something like that, I even apointed that out to you, I;'m just explaining it to you as you did to me. Don't turn that against me as well, it was your argument first.
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EDIT: As to coming on strong, that's funny. Check the games I have played in, many of them are listed in the reunion TB, I ALWAYS come on strong as a human when I have a wolf in my sights. (To be fair, I also will come on strong as a wolf, so it's not a defense, but it doesn't make me a wolf the fact that I'm coming on strong.) And you said you wouldn't have picked a whale, I agree with your statement that you can always lie about something like that, I even apointed that out to you, I;'m just explaining it to you as you did to me. Don't turn that against me as well, it was your argument first.
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I've been sitting here reading through all the posts of this round which have been mainly by josh and David. This exchange that I am seeing reminds me of the game with Dina and (I think it was) Ro when they were both wolves and arguing with each other making everyone assume that one was a wof while the other was human. The results of that game were that they were both wolves. Is this what I am seeing again? Strong defensive posts on both sides leaving me trying to figure out who to vote for.
Another interesting point is the almost complete lack of posts by Ro which seems a bit out of character since he is usually a pretty active player. He was on yesterday but hasn't posted in this round, round 4, round 3, round 2, and only a few times in round 1 wherein he posted regarding wandering around the mansion. I find this lack of posting a bit strange for his usual participation in other games I have played with him. His user page says he is a student but he does have the adult icon - 18 and up. I also went through all the voting for the rounds and see that he has not voted in any of the rounds. Again, very unusual. I find nothing posted by him to indicate real life or other issues that would keep him away from the game. My one problem with this is that, if he is a wolf, his inactivity would surely be caught and point to his possibly being a wolf. However, it could also be a tactic to make us feel he is not a wolf knowing we would think it too obvious by his lack of posting. I hope that all made sense.
At this point, I have strong suspicions of several including Stewie, Carlos, Ro, David and Josh but I'm going to vote for Ro9ge this round unless something is noted before the voting time runs out.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Another interesting point is the almost complete lack of posts by Ro which seems a bit out of character since he is usually a pretty active player. He was on yesterday but hasn't posted in this round, round 4, round 3, round 2, and only a few times in round 1 wherein he posted regarding wandering around the mansion. I find this lack of posting a bit strange for his usual participation in other games I have played with him. His user page says he is a student but he does have the adult icon - 18 and up. I also went through all the voting for the rounds and see that he has not voted in any of the rounds. Again, very unusual. I find nothing posted by him to indicate real life or other issues that would keep him away from the game. My one problem with this is that, if he is a wolf, his inactivity would surely be caught and point to his possibly being a wolf. However, it could also be a tactic to make us feel he is not a wolf knowing we would think it too obvious by his lack of posting. I hope that all made sense.
At this point, I have strong suspicions of several including Stewie, Carlos, Ro, David and Josh but I'm going to vote for Ro9ge this round unless something is noted before the voting time runs out.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
froggy, the game you were referring to had Dina and I attacking each other as wolves. To be fair, I led that charge and Dina was very unhappy with it. I promised I would not do it again and I am keeping that promise. We are definitely not both wolves this game, and I would rather you vote for me than not believe it. But I still maintain that I am the human one between the two of us. (I have a hard time believing that we're both human, but stranger things have happened.) The rog9e vote is still a good one as many of us have suspected the possibility for some time now.
To be honest, I'm not fully convinced that either Josh or David are wolves. It's perfectly feasible for them both to be terribly misguided; as a human, not knowing the status of any of the remaining players, it can be easy to become fixated on a certain idea or theory and run with it, regardless of its validity. Of course, it's just as likely that one of josh or David is a wolf... and a possibility, albeit a minimal one, that both are. I need more time to go over these posts, as with no majorities so far each vote will be vitally important. I will definitely get a vote in before the round ends, though.
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Josh, I was in fact, born in 1990. But, do I really need to re-hash why I cannot be the blue wolf?
And, Josh, you mentioned that you have three kids in private school in your defense of the blue wolf. Since you didn't say college, I am assuming they are in high school. What year was your oldest kid born? 1990, perhaps? I have stated in other games that I am 18, so it would not have been hard to find out. Thus, for you at least, it would not have been hard to put 1990 as a "life changing moment" when your first kid was born, yet still frame me in the process.
The one big thing: Josh likes baseball, David likes water polo.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
And, Josh, you mentioned that you have three kids in private school in your defense of the blue wolf. Since you didn't say college, I am assuming they are in high school. What year was your oldest kid born? 1990, perhaps? I have stated in other games that I am 18, so it would not have been hard to find out. Thus, for you at least, it would not have been hard to put 1990 as a "life changing moment" when your first kid was born, yet still frame me in the process.
The one big thing: Josh likes baseball, David likes water polo.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
My oldest is 9 years old, that would be great if she was in college, but 4th grade is it for now. Nice to see you admit to being born in 1990. So water polo is the only sport you like? We already know you like watching the bears on TV (football) should we really think the fact you play water polo (as I played volleyball in college) clears you?
Froggy, I had the exact same reaction as you. I pictured the Josh/Dina battle all over again. Honestly, I think 1 of the 2, Josh/David is a wolf, but there is the slight possiblity that both are human. My head is reeling from all their posting defending themselves this round. I will leave my vote where it is for this round, but I also find it strange that other players are not saying much. Do we have some wolves sitting back taking it all in and flying under the radar? I don't know, but I am curious to see who our wolves are once this game is over. It has been interesting, to say the least, in all the talking or lack there of for some of our players.
David for the record, I also believe that if one is the seer they cannot vote for the same person they are divining, but others have disagreed with this. I have been the seer only once and I wanted to see how the whle process worked. I locked a vote for someone and then tried to click them to divine, but the computer would not accept the selection. Once I clicked someone different it would accept the vote.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
David for the record, I also believe that if one is the seer they cannot vote for the same person they are divining, but others have disagreed with this. I have been the seer only once and I wanted to see how the whle process worked. I locked a vote for someone and then tried to click them to divine, but the computer would not accept the selection. Once I clicked someone different it would accept the vote.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Cinnamon, if you're right about the seer's ability, and it certainly sounds like you are, then Dan could never have divined shaidar. No vote in round 1, vote for shaidar in round 2, vote for shaidar in round 3. If that's the case, and if he divined skyhe in round 2, then why not vote for skyhe in round 3? And how can the previous arguments that those who voted for shaidar (namely David) by claiming that they believe shaidar is the seer and therefore following his vote, make sense? If they say they thought he was the seer because he said he had a gut feeling, but that couldn't have been true about shaidar. Also, if Dan was the seer, then why not divine anyone in round 1? Right out of the gate he lets us down?
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EDIT #2: Ask yourself this everyone, how does this make sense if David is human: David himself said this round that he was aware a seer can't vote for and divine the same person, so how could he claim that he thought Dan divined Shaidar?????
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EDIT #2: Ask yourself this everyone, how does this make sense if David is human: David himself said this round that he was aware a seer can't vote for and divine the same person, so how could he claim that he thought Dan divined Shaidar?????
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Keep in mind, I brought this up this round. I brought it up. My feeling is that Dan divined sKyhe in round two and gunned for shaidar on a gut feeling, because of the purple wolf assumption (don't make us revisit this please).
In round three, he knew sKyhe's identity but wanted to stay consistent and go for shaidar, especially because he felt like he could (with my post and all). This is what I explained, but I can understand how it got lost in the pages of things I have typed this round.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
In round three, he knew sKyhe's identity but wanted to stay consistent and go for shaidar, especially because he felt like he could (with my post and all). This is what I explained, but I can understand how it got lost in the pages of things I have typed this round.
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
Ok David, but I brought up that I like baseball, nobody else brought that up. Do you think that clears me?
Also, you said that mutliple posts suggest that Carlos had not logged on in before the answers were up in round one, despite my saying that he did. Here's his own statement about it, "I did login but only for 5 minutes." He said that at the end of the round when discussing the suspicion of him for inactivity, he was obviously talking about having lgged in before. I don't know what more I can say about this.
Also, you said that mutliple posts suggest that Carlos had not logged on in before the answers were up in round one, despite my saying that he did. Here's his own statement about it, "I did login but only for 5 minutes." He said that at the end of the round when discussing the suspicion of him for inactivity, he was obviously talking about having lgged in before. I don't know what more I can say about this.
I don't trust David or Josh. I don't think either has presented a convincing defence, I think both are applying often flawed logic, but I do think neither of these things necessarily mean they are wolves. They are both certainly high on my suspect list, but not top.
That particular honour falls to ro9ge. Not for what he has said, but for what he hasn't said. I've not played any games with him as far as I can remember, but from meeting him in chat and from his posts at the start of the game, he certainly likes to write. That makes his absence from posting in the game all the more stark. He's signed in today, but still didn't post; given that people are picking up on his inactivity, you would expect at least a post saying "I'm still here, I just have nothing to contribute." This makes me somewhat suspicious, so ro9ge gets my vote and we can have another round to look at the David vs. Josh argument to make a decision.
I have said many times that I am convinced stewie could not be a wolf without lying about the favourite sport answer. I'm sure he would have to have said football/soccer for his answer.
As of now, with 2 hours and 10 minutes remaining, the voting list is as follows:
cinnamon30 voted for StewieGriffin
froggygg voted for Ro9ge
HiImDavid voted for joshmayesh
joshmayesh voted for HiImDavid
Smithy voted for Ro9ge
I think it's useful to have that on record, as with such a low voting majority this round is definitely open to last minute wolf vote-swapping sabotage.
That particular honour falls to ro9ge. Not for what he has said, but for what he hasn't said. I've not played any games with him as far as I can remember, but from meeting him in chat and from his posts at the start of the game, he certainly likes to write. That makes his absence from posting in the game all the more stark. He's signed in today, but still didn't post; given that people are picking up on his inactivity, you would expect at least a post saying "I'm still here, I just have nothing to contribute." This makes me somewhat suspicious, so ro9ge gets my vote and we can have another round to look at the David vs. Josh argument to make a decision.
I have said many times that I am convinced stewie could not be a wolf without lying about the favourite sport answer. I'm sure he would have to have said football/soccer for his answer.
As of now, with 2 hours and 10 minutes remaining, the voting list is as follows:
cinnamon30 voted for StewieGriffin
froggygg voted for Ro9ge
HiImDavid voted for joshmayesh
joshmayesh voted for HiImDavid
Smithy voted for Ro9ge
I think it's useful to have that on record, as with such a low voting majority this round is definitely open to last minute wolf vote-swapping sabotage.
I never said Carlos hadn't logged in on Nov 4, I said he hadn't logged in by the time the purple wolf's answer was posted. He says he was on for five minutes that day, AFTER the purple wolf's answer had been posted. At the time the wolf's answer was posted, Carlos' status said "yesterday."
This is what that debate is about? Why are you trying to find tiny holes in the overall picture, josh? Are you hoping that if I made one tiny screw-up somewhere, people will forget the whole giant picture of you being a wolf? Trying to bog them down in the details?
Moving on, as I stated at the beginning of the round, my top two suspects were Kethry and Ro9ge. I am not opposed to the Ro vote, but forgive me for not joining in.
As of right now, my top three suspects are:
1. Josh
2. Kethry or Ro (in no particular order)
3. Ro or Kethry (in no particular order
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
This is what that debate is about? Why are you trying to find tiny holes in the overall picture, josh? Are you hoping that if I made one tiny screw-up somewhere, people will forget the whole giant picture of you being a wolf? Trying to bog them down in the details?
Moving on, as I stated at the beginning of the round, my top two suspects were Kethry and Ro9ge. I am not opposed to the Ro vote, but forgive me for not joining in.
As of right now, my top three suspects are:
1. Josh
2. Kethry or Ro (in no particular order)
3. Ro or Kethry (in no particular order
"Real love is accepting other people the way they are without trying to change them" -Don Miguel Ruiz
HiImDavid wrote:
Well, given the debate you've been having with josh, it would hardly be a good idea as a human or a wolf to swap your vote to ro9ge now. I don't really know what to make of the fact that you support the ro vote in principle, though, given my lack of trust of you (in game terms only, of course.) I think we could have a clearer picture next round when soccer reveals how many wolves are left and we can start to piece together the various possible combinations and permutations.
I am not opposed to the Ro vote, but forgive me for not joining in.
Well, given the debate you've been having with josh, it would hardly be a good idea as a human or a wolf to swap your vote to ro9ge now. I don't really know what to make of the fact that you support the ro vote in principle, though, given my lack of trust of you (in game terms only, of course.) I think we could have a clearer picture next round when soccer reveals how many wolves are left and we can start to piece together the various possible combinations and permutations.
I cannot decide between the josh/david feud, but I would say right now that I would tend to put josh as a wolf before David. That being said, I'd feel much more comfortable keeping both around until next round, when the info of how many wolves are left is revealed. I'm really hoping that 2 wolves are left (at this point), and that shaidar and skyhe were both wolves. I get the feeling that if there are more than 2 wolves left, we might be in some trouble.
I'm also starting to think maybe smithy might be a wolf. If either josh or david is a wolf, smithy might not have wanted to make it so obvious by adding to the vote for the other person, so he added to the ro vote as a safer alternative? I have no evidence for this, it is simply another angle to consider. But since I'm not ready to vote for josh or david, I'll place my vote for smithy.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
I'm also starting to think maybe smithy might be a wolf. If either josh or david is a wolf, smithy might not have wanted to make it so obvious by adding to the vote for the other person, so he added to the ro vote as a safer alternative? I have no evidence for this, it is simply another angle to consider. But since I'm not ready to vote for josh or david, I'll place my vote for smithy.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Well, looks like I made it in time to vote. I had been thinking about the people who hasn't really said the most. So I am going with Ro9ge as well.
I'm just to tired to think atm
Made your bed, now lay in it....But you can always add a bedside table, change the sheets, take out the trash...it doesn't have to stay the same unless you want it to.
I'm just to tired to think atm
Made your bed, now lay in it....But you can always add a bedside table, change the sheets, take out the trash...it doesn't have to stay the same unless you want it to.
menz wrote:
A fair point, but I could just as easily say the same about you now; voting for me instead of either josh or david so as not to make allegiances clear. Surely it's more likely that we're simply in the same unsure position than anything suspicious?
I'm also starting to think maybe smithy might be a wolf. If either josh or david is a wolf, smithy might not have wanted to make it so obvious by adding to the vote for the other person, so he added to the ro vote as a safer alternative? I have no evidence for this, it is simply another angle to consider. But since I'm not ready to vote for josh or david, I'll place my vote for smithy.
A fair point, but I could just as easily say the same about you now; voting for me instead of either josh or david so as not to make allegiances clear. Surely it's more likely that we're simply in the same unsure position than anything suspicious?
Oh my goodness, David it looks like we'll have to tango again next round unless you eat me tonight. The sad thing is that both David and I seem to suspect ro9ge, and since I suspect David is a wolf, that would tend to clear ro9ge in my mind. Ugh. Perhaps the blue answer will shed some light for us next round. If it wasn't going to be David, I would have gone with Carlos, maybe Stewie. The odds are I will be gunning for David next round if we're both still here. We'll see.
The story is now up. I realize that it may look like Smithy and Carlos are generous people from the above script, but no hints are given in the stories. The stories will never give any hints to people's roles in the game. I just wanted to clear that up.
I apologize for the long nights. I really do not know what it is happening. This is really slowing down the game process.
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