The Werewolf Game
Game #1739: Taste of Reunion
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Thank you, Limerick! ^_^
Blue Wolf:
Green Wolf:
Orange Wolf:
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Thank you, Limerick! ^_^
Blue Wolf:
I once wrote an essay on how hard it is to write essays, now I'm writing a prompt on how hard it is to write prompts??
Green Wolf:
I/HAVE/AN/IDEA/FOR/A/STORY/ID /LIKE/TO/WRITE/ONE/DAY/I/THINK/IT/WOULD/BE/REA LLY/GOOD/ONE/SUMMER/I/TRIED/TO/WRITE/IT/BUT /THEN/I/STOPPED/BECAUSE/I/RAN/OUT/OF/IDEAS
Orange Wolf:
When I was young I had trouble writing it took me till the 2nd grade to learn how to hold a pencil correctly
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Nights really can be long in this o.o
jpaw :| *realises your real eyes were not wolf eyes*
jtolley you survived by the skin of your teeth at any rate, hopefully we get more to go on this round so I don't have to vote for you again...
*waits for prompts and other people to be online*
jpaw :| *realises your real eyes were not wolf eyes*
jtolley you survived by the skin of your teeth at any rate, hopefully we get more to go on this round so I don't have to vote for you again...
*waits for prompts and other people to be online*
I haven't played a Reunion game before, do we get to know if we shot a wolf?
*waits with Limerick*
Hakuna Matata!
*waits with Limerick*
Hakuna Matata!
No, we don't get to find out if a wolf was shot or not. All three wolves will continue to answer the psychs, so we have no way of knowing we were right or not unless the seer fills us in.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
shaggy snakes smiling smoothly
I've been wondering about that myself, Witty makes a reference to:
I will not be revealing the identity of players who are shot or killed. There will be no immunity for players this game since it is an Audition game (normally, those shot in the first round of a previous Reunion Game would get first round immunity).
Soooo, I've been assuming no, which makes things kind of odd since we don't know if we still have 3 wolves or 1 o_O or whether the seer is still alive or not...
I'm assuming we'll know if 0 wolves are left, though, unless wolves eat themselves, that wouldn't happen after 2 rounds anyway...
There's a loooot the rules don't really explain. How exactly the role of the wolves and seers work. I'd assume based on the rules that the wolves can see eachothers vote for eating. I'd assume that if it comes to two wolves and they both disagree, though, I don't see why that would happen often, I assume it happens sometimes, I'd guess the computer randomly chooses... There's so much not explained for new players, heh
Edit: Thanks for the clarification, menz, that changes things up a bit. Can the seer see dead people?
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I've been wondering about that myself, Witty makes a reference to:
I will not be revealing the identity of players who are shot or killed. There will be no immunity for players this game since it is an Audition game (normally, those shot in the first round of a previous Reunion Game would get first round immunity).
Soooo, I've been assuming no, which makes things kind of odd since we don't know if we still have 3 wolves or 1 o_O or whether the seer is still alive or not...
I'm assuming we'll know if 0 wolves are left, though, unless wolves eat themselves, that wouldn't happen after 2 rounds anyway...
There's a loooot the rules don't really explain. How exactly the role of the wolves and seers work. I'd assume based on the rules that the wolves can see eachothers vote for eating. I'd assume that if it comes to two wolves and they both disagree, though, I don't see why that would happen often, I assume it happens sometimes, I'd guess the computer randomly chooses... There's so much not explained for new players, heh
Edit: Thanks for the clarification, menz, that changes things up a bit. Can the seer see dead people?
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Ok, thanks Menz...that's good to know.
Yeah, Limerick, it takes a while to really understand what is going on.
First off, when 0 wolves are left, the game ends that makes it easy
Also, the wolves cannot eat themselves (I don't think, I haven't been a wolf for a long time, but I highly doubt it). Also, the wolves cannot see what the other wolves voted for eating. When you are a wolf, you actually pick 3 people to be eaten, a first, second, and third choice. Because of that, I think that there usually isn't a problem, but I would assume that the computer would choose a person if there was an issue.
Hakuna Matata!
Yeah, Limerick, it takes a while to really understand what is going on.
First off, when 0 wolves are left, the game ends that makes it easy
Also, the wolves cannot eat themselves (I don't think, I haven't been a wolf for a long time, but I highly doubt it). Also, the wolves cannot see what the other wolves voted for eating. When you are a wolf, you actually pick 3 people to be eaten, a first, second, and third choice. Because of that, I think that there usually isn't a problem, but I would assume that the computer would choose a person if there was an issue.
Hakuna Matata!
jtolley you survived by the skin of your teeth at any rate, hopefully we get more to go on this round so I don't have to vote for you again...
Thanks limerick...
limerick human
Waiting for prompts.
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Does anyone know if night timed out?
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Yes, it did, I was sitting here waiting for it... Not being able to post for 24 hours is a longgggg time... It would be nice to be able to have late-night slumber parties in wolfland...
Woohoo! prompts are up!
GA was wolf, limerick is human
So, some analysis, even though I suck at prompt analysis
Blue: Well, I honestly think that this could be anyone. The style has been consistent throughout.
Green: This wolf gets the "schizophrenic award" for coming up with new and annoying ways to write prompts. This wolf is most likely expereinced...but at this point, most of us are expereinced so that doesn't really help.
Orange: This wolf has also used the same style throughout. The "When I was young" could be a distractor to place blame on an older person. But when we keep saying that "that's a distractor" perhaps the wolf will do the opposite to outsmart us.
So yeah, it's pretty much up in the air. I'm about ready to ignore the prompts and the usual black and white ways of interpreting them.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
GA was wolf, limerick is human
So, some analysis, even though I suck at prompt analysis
Blue: Well, I honestly think that this could be anyone. The style has been consistent throughout.
Green: This wolf gets the "schizophrenic award" for coming up with new and annoying ways to write prompts. This wolf is most likely expereinced...but at this point, most of us are expereinced so that doesn't really help.
Orange: This wolf has also used the same style throughout. The "When I was young" could be a distractor to place blame on an older person. But when we keep saying that "that's a distractor" perhaps the wolf will do the opposite to outsmart us.
So yeah, it's pretty much up in the air. I'm about ready to ignore the prompts and the usual black and white ways of interpreting them.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
annoyed aching ancient antelopeWow, I am SO sorry you guys, I had every intent of getting my notebook up here and writing everything down, and then the rain gutter people were late, so I was running late for my lunch with a friend, and then we had a bbq last night... I just couldn't get away to vote. I hope to spend some time with my notebook tomorrow. I find it best to do that in round 3 or 4 once I get a feel for the way people are playing. Sorry to see jpaw go.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
I feel bad for not having voted for the previous rounds. Seeing as how the night timed out, I think we may have at least one inactive wolf on our hands.
shaidar9haran - 2 days ago
wildfool - 2 days ago
So I went on researching the previous rounds, trying to read into the posts and something about shaidar's post sets off a few alarms in my head. All the following quotes are by shaidar:
Sounds like he's complimenting the wolves. Typical characteristic of a wolf.
Hmm... he sounds like he's very excited in this post.
He didn't even deny it. It sounds as though he's curious if Mocha can guess which one he actually is. REALLY fishy.
Wolves who try to act like humans ALWAYS make these kinds of slip-ups... "I figured the wolves would"... psshh. I don't buy it for one second.
It almost sounds as if he's trying to lead us in the wrong direction.
I'm not trying to get people to vote for Shaidar. I just have this REALLY strong suspicion that he's a wolf. Everything seems to add up. Check his posts from previous rounds. If you think I make a good case, by all means vote for him as well. But don't follow blindly.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
shaidar9haran - 2 days ago
wildfool - 2 days ago
So I went on researching the previous rounds, trying to read into the posts and something about shaidar's post sets off a few alarms in my head. All the following quotes are by shaidar:
In essence the wolves did a pretty good job at giving us no information.
Sounds like he's complimenting the wolves. Typical characteristic of a wolf.
I know that when I get to be the wolf, rarely in the reunion games , that I get very excited. I think it is way funner than being a human I would never ask to be shot, but as a human I might just because games come and go I've been a human like 40 times...
Hmm... he sounds like he's very excited in this post.
Mocha you said the psych sounded like me. Which one?
He didn't even deny it. It sounds as though he's curious if Mocha can guess which one he actually is. REALLY fishy.
Well I figured the wolves would eat anoon, he was the obvious choice since he practically cleared himself...
Wolves who try to act like humans ALWAYS make these kinds of slip-ups... "I figured the wolves would"... psshh. I don't buy it for one second.
I'm going to sit back and watch how the votes start going, that's the best way to find a wolf is watching voting patterns.
It almost sounds as if he's trying to lead us in the wrong direction.
I'm not trying to get people to vote for Shaidar. I just have this REALLY strong suspicion that he's a wolf. Everything seems to add up. Check his posts from previous rounds. If you think I make a good case, by all means vote for him as well. But don't follow blindly.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
That's an interesting find PM. Quite interesting.
I'm a little more suspicious of wiildfool at this point because he's been sitting back, pinning the "sandles" on me, and then reversing his opinion of me as soon as others felt I was human.
I'm going to keep waiting. There's no reason for me to vote now when neither Shaidar or wildfool have posted anything yet.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
I'm a little more suspicious of wiildfool at this point because he's been sitting back, pinning the "sandles" on me, and then reversing his opinion of me as soon as others felt I was human.
I'm going to keep waiting. There's no reason for me to vote now when neither Shaidar or wildfool have posted anything yet.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Wow it's past 3.40 in the morning and I'm not yet asleep.
Yeah, I thought it was fairly suspicious that wildfool jumped onto Limerick's suggestion quickly as well. But to be fair, it was the first round and there wasn't much to go on. That alone isn't enough to make me think that wildfool is a wolf, but I'll certainly be keeping my eye on him. I still have a strong feeling about shaidar though, so I'm sticking with him for the time being.
*Yawn* I think I'd better sleep now. I'll catch you guys in the morning once I'm better able to think.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Yeah, I thought it was fairly suspicious that wildfool jumped onto Limerick's suggestion quickly as well. But to be fair, it was the first round and there wasn't much to go on. That alone isn't enough to make me think that wildfool is a wolf, but I'll certainly be keeping my eye on him. I still have a strong feeling about shaidar though, so I'm sticking with him for the time being.
*Yawn* I think I'd better sleep now. I'll catch you guys in the morning once I'm better able to think.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I'm leaning toward voting for wildfool this round, as I feel at least one of the players that I've never played with before this game is a wolf. First off, the night round didn't time out in round 1 (that almost never happens in round 1 in these games, for some reason the wolves like to sit back and wait). Then it did time out in round 2, when he hasn't been on in 2 days. Also, since I'm having trouble tying the psychs to anyone, it seems more likely to me that at least one of the wolves is someone new to me. And out of those new players, I have less suspicion for limerick and sausage than I do for wildfool.
On a separate note, if anyone (preferably someone far less lazy than me!) wants to group all the psych answers together for us to see, that often seems to help. I have to run out for a while, or else I would do it.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
On a separate note, if anyone (preferably someone far less lazy than me!) wants to group all the psych answers together for us to see, that often seems to help. I have to run out for a while, or else I would do it.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Here you go Menz
High heels? Ugh. I mean, like, no way, like totally, not my style, you know?
My dogs don't like storms (or didn't)-- static electricity or something-- they get all antsy, sometimes try to dig holes in the floor.
I once wrote an essay on how hard it is to write essays, now I'm writing a prompt on how hard it is to write prompts??
Usually I wear shoes, but lately I've been wearing sandles! Summer is fun! Thankfully I don't have a tan line on my foot (yet).
i likey thunderstromys. the rain sounds coolio against the window and the thunder is loud and exciting.
I/HAVE/AN/IDEA/FOR/A/STORY/ID /LIKE/TO/WRITE/ONE/DAY/I/THINK/IT/WOULD/BE/REA LLY/GOOD/ONE/SUMMER/I/TRIED/TO/WRITE/IT/BUT /THEN/I/STOPPED/BECAUSE/I/RAN/OUT/OF/IDEAS
I actually do not not not own any pair of sandals or other types of shoes suitable for the beach or small grains of rock sediment.
I've never experienced a wind storm or a sand storm. I expect those to be very painful. Don't open your eyes or else!
When I was young I had trouble writing it took me till the 2nd grade to learn how to hold a pencil correctly
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
High heels? Ugh. I mean, like, no way, like totally, not my style, you know?
My dogs don't like storms (or didn't)-- static electricity or something-- they get all antsy, sometimes try to dig holes in the floor.
I once wrote an essay on how hard it is to write essays, now I'm writing a prompt on how hard it is to write prompts??
Usually I wear shoes, but lately I've been wearing sandles! Summer is fun! Thankfully I don't have a tan line on my foot (yet).
i likey thunderstromys. the rain sounds coolio against the window and the thunder is loud and exciting.
I/HAVE/AN/IDEA/FOR/A/STORY/ID /LIKE/TO/WRITE/ONE/DAY/I/THINK/IT/WOULD/BE/REA LLY/GOOD/ONE/SUMMER/I/TRIED/TO/WRITE/IT/BUT /THEN/I/STOPPED/BECAUSE/I/RAN/OUT/OF/IDEAS
I actually do not not not own any pair of sandals or other types of shoes suitable for the beach or small grains of rock sediment.
I've never experienced a wind storm or a sand storm. I expect those to be very painful. Don't open your eyes or else!
When I was young I had trouble writing it took me till the 2nd grade to learn how to hold a pencil correctly
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
My vote for GA was to create a majority for someone I believed was a wolf and to see who would come to GA's defense. Shaidar seemed quite suspicious in trying to discredit me (I don't see how I am laying low when I verbalize who I suspect and then vote of my own volition). I had found his response to Mocha's suspicion quite interesting, but shrugged it off due to their common banter. But now...
I no longer suspect Limerick, and of course think jpaw was human :: so shaidar has replaced my third wolf.
I will wait to vote since he already has a vote against him, but that is where I am leaning.
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"Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box" Italian Proverb
I no longer suspect Limerick, and of course think jpaw was human :: so shaidar has replaced my third wolf.
I will wait to vote since he already has a vote against him, but that is where I am leaning.
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"Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box" Italian Proverb
Checking in for the last time today.
I'll place my vote tomorrow. It'll be for either Shaid or wildfool. I'd just like to hear what both of them say.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
I'll place my vote tomorrow. It'll be for either Shaid or wildfool. I'd just like to hear what both of them say.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Lots of suspicions on me I see. I don't have good arguments to sway your votes so I'm just going to say I am not a wolf (typical, yes :laugh) and that I don't think GA was a wolf. As for jtolley, I REALLY want to see what he says when he finds out GA wasn't a wolf (hopefully he isn't because then it'd just be embarrassing LOL) I won't vote as I don't really have suspicions...
Really sorry I didn't post today, internet problems Unfortunatly, I really have to time to comment much now, but I did read through all the posts.
Hakuna Matata!
Hakuna Matata!
I actually suspect Limerick even more. To me it seems like he's trying to act like he doesn't know the wolf rules in order to look human. He still stands out like the orange wolf to me. I also am suspicious of jtolley because I think he was trying to get people to vote for Green Apples by hinting he was the seer. That happened when they were in a tie. But I am more certain about Limerick than anyone, so that's where my vote will be going unless I find another wolf first.
Yeah, somehow I'm a bit suspicious of jtolley's Seer act. Why reveal it so quickly? He wasn't in any apparent danger of getting shot/eaten. I'm not entirely sure if I can trust him. If jtolley survives tonight, then we know that he most certainly is a wolf. No self-respecting wolf would allow the Seer to live.
Now that I look back on the previous rounds, I have noticed that it nearly every post in which jtolley analyses the prompts, he always spends more time on the Green wolf and has referred to him/her as an "experienced player" numerous times, as well as calling him/her "annoying" and "schizophrenic". I always get suspicious of this type of behaviour. Here are some of his quotes from previous rounds.
But you do bring up valid points about the statement. Now that you said it, I could definetely see how each statement has been made in such a way to tip us off. Sandles can be worn at many different points in time, but most think they are in the summer. The "Summer is fun!" could just be a random blurb written during any season. And the tan line thing could reference a future time months away.
sighh...this is usually why my instincts are wrong I think we're dealing with a pretty expereienced werewolf player if they can create so many possibilities in three sentences.
Oh, and if jtolley really does happen to be a wolf, then I think we can assume that Limerick is a wolf and GA was a human. I think we just might have our three wolves right here - shaid, jtol and Lime. Also notice how jtol subtly defended shaid by suggesting wildfool instead when I voiced my thoughts on how he could be a wolf.
What do you guys think?
Edit: Added in jtolley's trademark orange coloured font.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Now that I look back on the previous rounds, I have noticed that it nearly every post in which jtolley analyses the prompts, he always spends more time on the Green wolf and has referred to him/her as an "experienced player" numerous times, as well as calling him/her "annoying" and "schizophrenic". I always get suspicious of this type of behaviour. Here are some of his quotes from previous rounds.
Green wolf: I;d definetely agree with nogoodnames about the summer thing. This wolf is most likely in the northern hemisphere. Other than that, this wolf sounds more female because of the tan line thing but it's a toss up.
But you do bring up valid points about the statement. Now that you said it, I could definetely see how each statement has been made in such a way to tip us off. Sandles can be worn at many different points in time, but most think they are in the summer. The "Summer is fun!" could just be a random blurb written during any season. And the tan line thing could reference a future time months away.
sighh...this is usually why my instincts are wrong I think we're dealing with a pretty expereienced werewolf player if they can create so many possibilities in three sentences.
Everything can be used to obfusticate a psych answer. If you've played WTB you see misspellings, grammar mistakes, fun with the caps lock, etc. all the time. It's soooooo annoying lol.
Or, it could mean absolutely nothing because it was a typo or the wolf was just trying to screw with us.
Muh [shrugs shoulders], the only reason I could be the green wolf is because of the "sandles" spelling.
I think limerick is suspicious only in that he's been unusually active for a beginner. You're doing great!
Green: This wolf gets the "schizophrenic award" for coming up with new and annoying ways to write prompts. This wolf is most likely expereinced...but at this point, most of us are expereinced so that doesn't really help.
Oh, and if jtolley really does happen to be a wolf, then I think we can assume that Limerick is a wolf and GA was a human. I think we just might have our three wolves right here - shaid, jtol and Lime. Also notice how jtol subtly defended shaid by suggesting wildfool instead when I voiced my thoughts on how he could be a wolf.
What do you guys think?
Edit: Added in jtolley's trademark orange coloured font.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Interesting @ PM, those do make a bit of sense, though, at the same time, it's also easy to make something of things that don't mean anything o_o Like not denying that he was a wolf, I wouldn't deny it either, I'd be more curious as to what the other person considered to be me-like as well. That's one thing I like about werewolf is seeing how people perceive their friends to be.
I don't know, I really do think people tend to overanalyze stuff at times, myself included. Up to this point, I'm still probably leaning jtolley again. The claims against shaid and jtolley I think hold some water, the claims against wild seem pretty weak at this point however, but then again, I tend to really think the "sandles" spelling has merit as an attack vector...
Uggggh, orange font *dies* Sorry, jtoll, I just really don't like the orange on while, I love orange otherwise...
jtolley hinted that he was the seer? I must be really dense because I don't see that o.o I'm rather curious actually who the seer is because my impression has been that no one really has been particularly seerlike, most people seem to be floating in the wind changing votes every round.
Sorry I haven't been posting much today, at home with family, not really here most of the time.
As for suspecting the inactives since the round timed out, is that even really valid? I mean, wouldn't the wolves have to let it time out with 2 inactives as otherwise they'd clear two people right out of the gate? I dunno, just seems like misdirection to me. Though so does most everything else. I'm really finding it interesting how it seems by far the best way to play this game is to not post as no one seems to suspect any of the people who don't post. Of course not posting gives you very little to go on...
For now jtolley still holds my main vote, I don't think he's the seer, and I do think he is the orange wolf.
What kind of things do people usually look for in prompt analysis, since, ironically, the more prompts I have, the harder time I'm having analysing them... Maybe that's just information overload, I dunno
I don't know, I really do think people tend to overanalyze stuff at times, myself included. Up to this point, I'm still probably leaning jtolley again. The claims against shaid and jtolley I think hold some water, the claims against wild seem pretty weak at this point however, but then again, I tend to really think the "sandles" spelling has merit as an attack vector...
Uggggh, orange font *dies* Sorry, jtoll, I just really don't like the orange on while, I love orange otherwise...
jtolley hinted that he was the seer? I must be really dense because I don't see that o.o I'm rather curious actually who the seer is because my impression has been that no one really has been particularly seerlike, most people seem to be floating in the wind changing votes every round.
Sorry I haven't been posting much today, at home with family, not really here most of the time.
As for suspecting the inactives since the round timed out, is that even really valid? I mean, wouldn't the wolves have to let it time out with 2 inactives as otherwise they'd clear two people right out of the gate? I dunno, just seems like misdirection to me. Though so does most everything else. I'm really finding it interesting how it seems by far the best way to play this game is to not post as no one seems to suspect any of the people who don't post. Of course not posting gives you very little to go on...
For now jtolley still holds my main vote, I don't think he's the seer, and I do think he is the orange wolf.
What kind of things do people usually look for in prompt analysis, since, ironically, the more prompts I have, the harder time I'm having analysing them... Maybe that's just information overload, I dunno
Limerick wrote:
You need to pay more attention to his posts.
CTRL+A might help
It's possible that the wolves have purposely made it time out to push suspicion onto the inactives, but such an act would be pretty hard to choreograph. At least one of the wolves would have had to wait until the night round was a few hours to ending to submit his/her vote. The rules are pretty vague at this section. I always thought, and have had it embedded in my mind that the night round ends 2 hours after the last wolf has voted, but now that I've checked the rules again, it says "several" hours, which is a lot more ambiguous.
And it's not fun if people don't participate. That's the whole point of playing a game - to participate. Sure, by not participating you may avoid attention, but you're not getting anything out of the game.
Sorry if the above post made little to no sense. It's late at night and I clearly can't think properly.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
jtolley hinted that he was the seer? I must be really dense because I don't see that o.o I'm rather curious actually who the seer is because my impression has been that no one really has been particularly seerlike, most people seem to be floating in the wind changing votes every round.
You need to pay more attention to his posts.
CTRL+A might help
As for suspecting the inactives since the round timed out, is that even really valid? I mean, wouldn't the wolves have to let it time out with 2 inactives as otherwise they'd clear two people right out of the gate? I dunno, just seems like misdirection to me. Though so does most everything else. I'm really finding it interesting how it seems by far the best way to play this game is to not post as no one seems to suspect any of the people who don't post. Of course not posting gives you very little to go on...
It's possible that the wolves have purposely made it time out to push suspicion onto the inactives, but such an act would be pretty hard to choreograph. At least one of the wolves would have had to wait until the night round was a few hours to ending to submit his/her vote. The rules are pretty vague at this section. I always thought, and have had it embedded in my mind that the night round ends 2 hours after the last wolf has voted, but now that I've checked the rules again, it says "several" hours, which is a lot more ambiguous.
And it's not fun if people don't participate. That's the whole point of playing a game - to participate. Sure, by not participating you may avoid attention, but you're not getting anything out of the game.
Sorry if the above post made little to no sense. It's late at night and I clearly can't think properly.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Since Limerick isn't as suspicious to me and josh has voted for him, I will vote shaidar like I intended.
I think this is a very interesting game - lots of interaction and responses to posts. I like it :grin:
"Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box" Italian Proverb
I think this is a very interesting game - lots of interaction and responses to posts. I like it :grin:
"Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box" Italian Proverb
WOW. Now I'm quite suspicious of Josh and PM.
There was a 50/50 chance of me being shot. Duh. I had to make sure people knew who the wolf was in case I went. Duh.
Second, if I were pretending to be the seer, why would I risk it if the seer were still out there??
PM, I'm voting for you. It's pretty clear that you figured out my posts and then tried to convice others to 1) either kill me, meaning there was less work for you to do, or 2) You could tell all your wolf friends to eat me.
Edit: I'll just say that I'm now VERY suspicious of Josh and PM. I'll most definetely get eaten tonight NOW. If I do, be sure to go and investigate them next.
Goodnight, it's been fun. You got one wolf, maybe two. I think you have the other one or two right above this.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Yeah, somehow I'm a bit suspicious of jtolley's Seer act. Why reveal it so quickly?
There was a 50/50 chance of me being shot. Duh. I had to make sure people knew who the wolf was in case I went. Duh.
Second, if I were pretending to be the seer, why would I risk it if the seer were still out there??
PM, I'm voting for you. It's pretty clear that you figured out my posts and then tried to convice others to 1) either kill me, meaning there was less work for you to do, or 2) You could tell all your wolf friends to eat me.
Edit: I'll just say that I'm now VERY suspicious of Josh and PM. I'll most definetely get eaten tonight NOW. If I do, be sure to go and investigate them next.
Goodnight, it's been fun. You got one wolf, maybe two. I think you have the other one or two right above this.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Well jtol, I thought that since Josh had already put it out there in the open for every player to see, I might as well share my thoughts on the matter. In case you didn't notice, I wasn't exactly trying to get people to vote for you. I was just stating how unlikely it was that you should survive this night's round, and what it could possibly mean if you do.
I'm still gonna stick with Shaidar, but way to get on the defensive! Cool your jets.
Edit: Okay, I'm off to bed now. I'll check back in the morning when more people have shared their opinions. I'm still about 90% sure that shaidar is a wolf though. My wolf-dar is going off the fritz. Okay, g'night.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I'm still gonna stick with Shaidar, but way to get on the defensive! Cool your jets.
Edit: Okay, I'm off to bed now. I'll check back in the morning when more people have shared their opinions. I'm still about 90% sure that shaidar is a wolf though. My wolf-dar is going off the fritz. Okay, g'night.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I don't know, but that long list of "quotes" sure seems like you're trying to get others to shoot me or eat me.
My vote stays with you.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
My vote stays with you.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
I'm not sure who to believe, but for now I'm going to side with jtolley and place a vote for psychic. This is open to change if something convinces me to go another way.
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
"If you're going to tell a story, here's an idea: Have a point! It makes things so much more interesting for the listener!!!" -Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Anyone else playing? Where is everyone?
Oh, it makes complete sense, I understand completely, but at some level I also think that also downplays the fact that it's the inactives that are really the ones slowing down the game, not the wolves. I mean, how many people can you afford to clear in the early rounds? It's not only about avoiding suspicion, it's also about not leaving the game at such a simplistic level because all but the wolves are clear because they're the only ones to have logged in. So, the wolves would have two choices under such situations, let it time out or eat/vote off the people involved (or both). I can't imagine some people don't wait inactive to avoid suspicion. It's this that I would peg more as destroying the point of the game, though even then, I mean, its only one day. The online counter is cute, and a fun way to narrow things down, but, I think it can be a bit abused. And at any rate... Just my two cents on the issue, not really a rant, like all things, it all has its ups and downs.
Now back to the game as I just woke up having had another mindboggling 3 hours of sleep (No sarcasm, I had gotten a random 5 hours of sleep right before that falling asleep about 5 hours normal than usual for no reason that I can see causing me to wake up in the middle of the night, Sleep: 10:30P-4A, Awake 4A-7A, Sleep 7A-10A is not my idea of a fun or normal schedule, yay for long off-topic anecdotes).
And ah, I get what you mean with jtolley, all played off the italics on see? I guess that would make sense, though, jtolley's been a bit too blame everyone for my view of a seer, then, I haven't played long enough to get a good feel how anyone plays any of the roles, as the seer I'd be more active in pushing away false suspicions and pushing towards true than to my mind he has been. The seer has seen two rounds so far...
Tries to analyse psych prompts vs people's posts...
Blue
1) High heels? Ugh. I mean, like, no way, like totally, not my style, you know?
High heels, I'm not going to risk pegging this as either a guy pegging a girl or a girl pegging a guy pegging a girl, both would be valid strategies. Going back round by round, jpaw said he wrote a similar post which did seem to be a potential dodge, but, seeing as jpaw is dead, that target's been eliminated... At first I thought to link someone to Ugh, or similar as unlike the rest, that's not so totally part of the stereotype that it could be part of the writer's true style. No luck there though. The other thing that stands out to me is the comma usage. Sorry, I'm a bit of a grammar nut, I notice such things =p Now, that really fits more people than I'd expect, you've all been pretty good grammatically, mocha one of the best. And as I was randomly watching throughout the day, mocha was also one of the last (other than wild, who never went active) to actually go active and was admittedly busy, I dunno, might be overanalysed, and I think mocha will be a valuable asset as we go on, I'd hate to shoot her early, and really, it's pretty weak, lots of decent writers in here.
2) My dogs don't like storms (or didn't)-- static electricity or something-- they get all antsy, sometimes try to dig holes in the floor.
Okay, time to round up them doggies, I'm going to assume most of the admissions to fitting this clue are good, and the people who slightly disclaim it might be telling the truth and have something to hide, so here we go. Mocha accepts the claim, but a bit too straightforwardly for me to find her truly suspicious on this alone, though, it would make a good ploy... josh also admits to fitting the prompt, though, he says he doesn't fit it because his dogs have been gone for years, though, the prompt also said "(or did)" which I find interesting as it would actually allow the prompt to fit josh's statement... Yay, now to analyse my own statement, I'd appreciate if someone else would do that for me as my own analysis is anything but unbiased... Ro9ge uses some dodgy terminology while referring to Annie "that freaked out", the mention of concrete flooring, which anyone here who has had dogs who dig knows doesn't stop a dog from trying, just as 10 foot tall walls or doors they can't open don't keep dogs from trying to go through. wild again doesn't approach the past, only the present, same with strat... Couple people seem cleared to me, I'm going to assume people are mostly honest, since, otherwise I have little to go on with this direct method, keep it with a grain of salt though... GA was cleared on this, menz cleared, PM cleared, jpaw cleared, most other people stayed silent, or I missed them heh. Hmm, also, another thing I noticed is the --'s, wildfool is the only one I see using them, might not mean anything though...
3) I once wrote an essay on how hard it is to write essays, now I'm writing a prompt on how hard it is to write prompts??
Okay, Blue's written an essay on writing essays, doesn't tell me much, the latter is obvious, though, I don't know people well enough outside the game to peg people for their humour, so I don't really have anything to go on with that part. Double ??'s though, getoff, GA, mocha, jtolley twice, noone else, I don't think this will mean anything though.
Take these for what they're worth so far, which is not much, I think, too much over analysis is going to burn me out. Nothing really strong enough for me to act on... A possible mochaness,
Green
1) Usually I wear shoes, but lately I've been wearing sandles! Summer is fun! Thankfully I don't have a tan line on my foot (yet).
This one! You all know my thoughts and opinions on this one, I still think jtolley is the most likely candidate of everyone based on his "sandles" but I'm also going to take a deeper look. I don't honestly hold much water with all the claims that the wolf could be hiding their location, I'd honestly clear in my mind people for whom it isn't summer right now, I dunno about most of you, but, I don't go around thinking about the southern hemisphere too much when it comes to seasons o.o;; Only really clears GA, NGN, and PM on this though of the people with flags on themselves, I'm in the US, so uncleared for those wondering, I might update my flag at some point... Not sure who of the flagless are where though, might be more cleared assuming you accept my reasoning. Parenthetical yet, probably too vague to pin on anyone in particular. All in all, I think jtolley put way too much into trying to clear himself to convince me as well as the general fact that he made the typo in the first place...
2) i likey thunderstromys. the rain sounds coolio against the window and the thunder is loud and exciting.
Wow, quite the change from the previous prompt, and a great deal less identifiable, I really don't have much to go on here since I'm sure none of these words have come up or even remotely like them. jpaw, mocha, josh, myself, sausage, menz all state liking thunderstorms, wildfool is the only one to explicitly dislike them, everyone else was silent on the matter, GA explicity mentioned it, but did not comment other than that they were loud, I don't know. Anyone else see anything more to build off of this? The sudden change of style really throws me for a loop with not much to go on...
3) I/HAVE/AN/IDEA/FOR/A/STORY/ID /LIKE/TO/WRITE/ONE/DAY/I/THINK/IT/WOULD/BE/REA LLY/GOOD/ONE/SUMMER/I/TRIED/TO/WRITE/IT/BUT /THEN/I/STOPPED/BECAUSE/I/RAN/OUT/OF/IDEAS
First off....
I have an idea for a story I'd like to write one day. I think it would be really good. One summer I tried to write it, but then I stopped because I ran out of ideas.
There, that's better for analysis I think, though I still don't have much to go on. I don't really know who likes to write here, though mocha has now mentioned a notebook, which, I guess could mean something, mocha also strikes me as the writing type. Wow, I'm grouping people into types, I never do that. Anyway, I also like to write, though for myself, it's not lack of ideas, but lack of motivation. Tried last year to push myself to do NaNoWriMo, (National Novel Writer's Month) but that rather fell off, sadly. I wrote one of my favourite passages I've written though as the intro, so, it wasn't all in vain.
I don't know, don't really have much to go on here either, I'm still leaning jtolley, though, mocha came up unexpectedly well in this.... I just don't really think #2 would match mocha's style, taking that for what it's worth. I'm still left with jtolley as my primary suspicion here. And I do think this seer act is verrrrry thin, he hasn't given us much help from what he's SEEN for someone who is coming out.
Orange
1) I actually do not not not own any pair of sandals or other types of shoes suitable for the beach or small grains of rock sediment.
Not own any sandals? Really? That's surprising to me, I own several, though, I couldn't honestly say where they are. Family was big on outdoorsy activities, always going camping and canoeing, sandals were pretty much a must. Though, along the way we found watershoes which I prefer as sandals chafe my toes and let sand in on the bottom.... Anyway, the triple not really stands out, though, I don't really see what to DO with it, it seems quite useless as triplified, the first two cancel, leaving just one not: "I do not not not own" -> "I do not own"... Sediment, still keep coming back to that, I should probably look more at later rounds after the heat was off. Can't say I'd really peg anyone on this one either, though...
2) I've never experienced a wind storm or a sand storm. I expect those to be very painful. Don't open your eyes or else!
This one actually does sound like something I might write, the tongue-in-cheek do not open your eyes or else! in particular, though, I can't honestly say whether or not I've ever experienced a windstorm, I'd have to lean towards yes, I've been in situations where the wind was nearly strong enough to blow people over, but, whether that was pure wind, I really don't recall. I do know I've never experienced a sandstorm, though I also think that would be kind of cool. I read a lot and have read of many sandstorms. Has anyone here read Dune? Yay for sandstorms. Afraid I don't have too much to add, and am getting to a point where I don't really feel like wading through pages of posts to find something non-obvious. mocha, j-paw, and menz talk of having experienced a windstorm, not much else to go on there.
3) When I was young I had trouble writing it took me till the 2nd grade to learn how to hold a pencil correctly
Immediately jumping out at me is the complete and utter lack of punctuation, though, capitalization is present. No one made a comment on this one at all. I actually don't know when I first learned to write, though I actually DID have a hard time. See, I kept switching hands to write with, and actually had the same issue with sports. Soooo, they forced me, in 1st grade, I think, though, at the time I was in an ungraded primary school, but definitely before second grade, to use my right hand as this was "normal." Sports on the other hand, I was forced to bat left-handed as this "gave me an advantage." So, now I do all physical activities with my left hand, and all fine activities (writing, eating, etc) with my right hand. I've tried at times to swap hands to attempt to establish ambidexterity (not sure if this is actually the right word.) But I didddd have trouble writing. In any case, other than my own anecdote, and a lackluster interest after all this writing to go searching back and seeing if anyone else hasn't been using periods, which I think is a red herring ANYWAY, I don't have much to add about this one.
Orange, orange, orange, I don't know, my initial guess was that it might be shady, but one other person I'm a bit suspicious of still is Ro9, who hasn't been participating much and has mostly been flying under the radar, I was a bit suspicious earlier when he said....
Next, GA, your reasons for thinking that jtolley is a wolf seems rather thin to me.
I think the reasons were more firmly based than most, and well, even with his lack of posting, he seems like he could have placed soooome votes... His lack of votes completely seems to render him a bit suspicious.
Bringing back too what PM said:
Ro9 said:
Heh, orange wolf was clever saying only wind and sand storms, I also agree that he/she has experienced a storm before, and just wanted us to get distracted talking about his/her psyche when we could be talking about other stuff....
This insight and praise seem a bit misguided.
Still, not much to go on, I'll definitely be watching more closely here on out as it's certainly a critical voting point here, another tie this round... Extra critical indeed...
Now back to the game as I just woke up having had another mindboggling 3 hours of sleep (No sarcasm, I had gotten a random 5 hours of sleep right before that falling asleep about 5 hours normal than usual for no reason that I can see causing me to wake up in the middle of the night, Sleep: 10:30P-4A, Awake 4A-7A, Sleep 7A-10A is not my idea of a fun or normal schedule, yay for long off-topic anecdotes).
And ah, I get what you mean with jtolley, all played off the italics on see? I guess that would make sense, though, jtolley's been a bit too blame everyone for my view of a seer, then, I haven't played long enough to get a good feel how anyone plays any of the roles, as the seer I'd be more active in pushing away false suspicions and pushing towards true than to my mind he has been. The seer has seen two rounds so far...
Tries to analyse psych prompts vs people's posts...
Blue
1) High heels? Ugh. I mean, like, no way, like totally, not my style, you know?
High heels, I'm not going to risk pegging this as either a guy pegging a girl or a girl pegging a guy pegging a girl, both would be valid strategies. Going back round by round, jpaw said he wrote a similar post which did seem to be a potential dodge, but, seeing as jpaw is dead, that target's been eliminated... At first I thought to link someone to Ugh, or similar as unlike the rest, that's not so totally part of the stereotype that it could be part of the writer's true style. No luck there though. The other thing that stands out to me is the comma usage. Sorry, I'm a bit of a grammar nut, I notice such things =p Now, that really fits more people than I'd expect, you've all been pretty good grammatically, mocha one of the best. And as I was randomly watching throughout the day, mocha was also one of the last (other than wild, who never went active) to actually go active and was admittedly busy, I dunno, might be overanalysed, and I think mocha will be a valuable asset as we go on, I'd hate to shoot her early, and really, it's pretty weak, lots of decent writers in here.
2) My dogs don't like storms (or didn't)-- static electricity or something-- they get all antsy, sometimes try to dig holes in the floor.
Okay, time to round up them doggies, I'm going to assume most of the admissions to fitting this clue are good, and the people who slightly disclaim it might be telling the truth and have something to hide, so here we go. Mocha accepts the claim, but a bit too straightforwardly for me to find her truly suspicious on this alone, though, it would make a good ploy... josh also admits to fitting the prompt, though, he says he doesn't fit it because his dogs have been gone for years, though, the prompt also said "(or did)" which I find interesting as it would actually allow the prompt to fit josh's statement... Yay, now to analyse my own statement, I'd appreciate if someone else would do that for me as my own analysis is anything but unbiased... Ro9ge uses some dodgy terminology while referring to Annie "that freaked out", the mention of concrete flooring, which anyone here who has had dogs who dig knows doesn't stop a dog from trying, just as 10 foot tall walls or doors they can't open don't keep dogs from trying to go through. wild again doesn't approach the past, only the present, same with strat... Couple people seem cleared to me, I'm going to assume people are mostly honest, since, otherwise I have little to go on with this direct method, keep it with a grain of salt though... GA was cleared on this, menz cleared, PM cleared, jpaw cleared, most other people stayed silent, or I missed them heh. Hmm, also, another thing I noticed is the --'s, wildfool is the only one I see using them, might not mean anything though...
3) I once wrote an essay on how hard it is to write essays, now I'm writing a prompt on how hard it is to write prompts??
Okay, Blue's written an essay on writing essays, doesn't tell me much, the latter is obvious, though, I don't know people well enough outside the game to peg people for their humour, so I don't really have anything to go on with that part. Double ??'s though, getoff, GA, mocha, jtolley twice, noone else, I don't think this will mean anything though.
Take these for what they're worth so far, which is not much, I think, too much over analysis is going to burn me out. Nothing really strong enough for me to act on... A possible mochaness,
Green
1) Usually I wear shoes, but lately I've been wearing sandles! Summer is fun! Thankfully I don't have a tan line on my foot (yet).
This one! You all know my thoughts and opinions on this one, I still think jtolley is the most likely candidate of everyone based on his "sandles" but I'm also going to take a deeper look. I don't honestly hold much water with all the claims that the wolf could be hiding their location, I'd honestly clear in my mind people for whom it isn't summer right now, I dunno about most of you, but, I don't go around thinking about the southern hemisphere too much when it comes to seasons o.o;; Only really clears GA, NGN, and PM on this though of the people with flags on themselves, I'm in the US, so uncleared for those wondering, I might update my flag at some point... Not sure who of the flagless are where though, might be more cleared assuming you accept my reasoning. Parenthetical yet, probably too vague to pin on anyone in particular. All in all, I think jtolley put way too much into trying to clear himself to convince me as well as the general fact that he made the typo in the first place...
2) i likey thunderstromys. the rain sounds coolio against the window and the thunder is loud and exciting.
Wow, quite the change from the previous prompt, and a great deal less identifiable, I really don't have much to go on here since I'm sure none of these words have come up or even remotely like them. jpaw, mocha, josh, myself, sausage, menz all state liking thunderstorms, wildfool is the only one to explicitly dislike them, everyone else was silent on the matter, GA explicity mentioned it, but did not comment other than that they were loud, I don't know. Anyone else see anything more to build off of this? The sudden change of style really throws me for a loop with not much to go on...
3) I/HAVE/AN/IDEA/FOR/A/STORY/ID /LIKE/TO/WRITE/ONE/DAY/I/THINK/IT/WOULD/BE/REA LLY/GOOD/ONE/SUMMER/I/TRIED/TO/WRITE/IT/BUT /THEN/I/STOPPED/BECAUSE/I/RAN/OUT/OF/IDEAS
First off....
I have an idea for a story I'd like to write one day. I think it would be really good. One summer I tried to write it, but then I stopped because I ran out of ideas.
There, that's better for analysis I think, though I still don't have much to go on. I don't really know who likes to write here, though mocha has now mentioned a notebook, which, I guess could mean something, mocha also strikes me as the writing type. Wow, I'm grouping people into types, I never do that. Anyway, I also like to write, though for myself, it's not lack of ideas, but lack of motivation. Tried last year to push myself to do NaNoWriMo, (National Novel Writer's Month) but that rather fell off, sadly. I wrote one of my favourite passages I've written though as the intro, so, it wasn't all in vain.
I don't know, don't really have much to go on here either, I'm still leaning jtolley, though, mocha came up unexpectedly well in this.... I just don't really think #2 would match mocha's style, taking that for what it's worth. I'm still left with jtolley as my primary suspicion here. And I do think this seer act is verrrrry thin, he hasn't given us much help from what he's SEEN for someone who is coming out.
Orange
1) I actually do not not not own any pair of sandals or other types of shoes suitable for the beach or small grains of rock sediment.
Not own any sandals? Really? That's surprising to me, I own several, though, I couldn't honestly say where they are. Family was big on outdoorsy activities, always going camping and canoeing, sandals were pretty much a must. Though, along the way we found watershoes which I prefer as sandals chafe my toes and let sand in on the bottom.... Anyway, the triple not really stands out, though, I don't really see what to DO with it, it seems quite useless as triplified, the first two cancel, leaving just one not: "I do not not not own" -> "I do not own"... Sediment, still keep coming back to that, I should probably look more at later rounds after the heat was off. Can't say I'd really peg anyone on this one either, though...
2) I've never experienced a wind storm or a sand storm. I expect those to be very painful. Don't open your eyes or else!
This one actually does sound like something I might write, the tongue-in-cheek do not open your eyes or else! in particular, though, I can't honestly say whether or not I've ever experienced a windstorm, I'd have to lean towards yes, I've been in situations where the wind was nearly strong enough to blow people over, but, whether that was pure wind, I really don't recall. I do know I've never experienced a sandstorm, though I also think that would be kind of cool. I read a lot and have read of many sandstorms. Has anyone here read Dune? Yay for sandstorms. Afraid I don't have too much to add, and am getting to a point where I don't really feel like wading through pages of posts to find something non-obvious. mocha, j-paw, and menz talk of having experienced a windstorm, not much else to go on there.
3) When I was young I had trouble writing it took me till the 2nd grade to learn how to hold a pencil correctly
Immediately jumping out at me is the complete and utter lack of punctuation, though, capitalization is present. No one made a comment on this one at all. I actually don't know when I first learned to write, though I actually DID have a hard time. See, I kept switching hands to write with, and actually had the same issue with sports. Soooo, they forced me, in 1st grade, I think, though, at the time I was in an ungraded primary school, but definitely before second grade, to use my right hand as this was "normal." Sports on the other hand, I was forced to bat left-handed as this "gave me an advantage." So, now I do all physical activities with my left hand, and all fine activities (writing, eating, etc) with my right hand. I've tried at times to swap hands to attempt to establish ambidexterity (not sure if this is actually the right word.) But I didddd have trouble writing. In any case, other than my own anecdote, and a lackluster interest after all this writing to go searching back and seeing if anyone else hasn't been using periods, which I think is a red herring ANYWAY, I don't have much to add about this one.
Orange, orange, orange, I don't know, my initial guess was that it might be shady, but one other person I'm a bit suspicious of still is Ro9, who hasn't been participating much and has mostly been flying under the radar, I was a bit suspicious earlier when he said....
Next, GA, your reasons for thinking that jtolley is a wolf seems rather thin to me.
I think the reasons were more firmly based than most, and well, even with his lack of posting, he seems like he could have placed soooome votes... His lack of votes completely seems to render him a bit suspicious.
Bringing back too what PM said:
Ro9 said:
Heh, orange wolf was clever saying only wind and sand storms, I also agree that he/she has experienced a storm before, and just wanted us to get distracted talking about his/her psyche when we could be talking about other stuff....
This insight and praise seem a bit misguided.
Still, not much to go on, I'll definitely be watching more closely here on out as it's certainly a critical voting point here, another tie this round... Extra critical indeed...
joshmayesh wrote:
I agree. mocha, ro9ge, getoffursausage, shaidar, and wildfool...where are you guys???
Edit: well, sausage, wildfool, and mocha have posted, but it's been awhile. I'm wondering if there are wolves amongst these 5...
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Anyone else playing? Where is everyone?
I agree. mocha, ro9ge, getoffursausage, shaidar, and wildfool...where are you guys???
Edit: well, sausage, wildfool, and mocha have posted, but it's been awhile. I'm wondering if there are wolves amongst these 5...
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Sorry, I've been going through round 1 methodically. Finished that right before church. I have a friend coming over soon, then I'll be able to post my thoughts and vote for the round. I am still very active in the game, I just have been doing more reading and thinking than posting. I know that is not helpful yet, but that is the way I play the game.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Limerick wrote:
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josh also admits to fitting the prompt, though, he says he doesn't fit it because his dogs have been gone for years, though, the prompt also said "(or did)" which I find interesting as it would actually allow the prompt to fit josh's statement...
Actually, you're adding information here. I said that I fit the prompt, I never said I didn't. My dogs have been gone for years, that's true, but I said I fit the quote, I understood the "did" part applied, otherwise I would have said something like, "I kind of fit the quote, but not really because my dogs are gone" or something like that. Trying to make me look wolfish because I know you're a wolf?
Edit to fix quote marks
EDIT: Argh, I can't fix it, the point is that Limerick only said the first paragraph, the rest is my response.
Actually, you're adding information here. I said that I fit the prompt, I never said I didn't. My dogs have been gone for years, that's true, but I said I fit the quote, I understood the "did" part applied, otherwise I would have said something like, "I kind of fit the quote, but not really because my dogs are gone" or something like that. Trying to make me look wolfish because I know you're a wolf?
Edit to fix quote marks
EDIT: Argh, I can't fix it, the point is that Limerick only said the first paragraph, the rest is my response.
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jtolley wrote:
It's not like I'm putting words in your mouth or anything. I'm just trying to gather all the relevant quotes and put them into one convenient section. Why do you have a problem with the quotes? It is, after all, what you wrote. The whole point of the game is to analyse posts and other information to deduce the identity of the wolves. If I find something that looks mildly suspicious, am I not entitled to share it with the rest of the players?
Your vote for me sounds more retaliative than based on actual suspicion, which only further adds to my suspicion of you. Do you actually think I'm a wolf, or are you just placing in a vote for me because I'm sharing my views with the other players?
I'm still sticking with Shaid for now.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I don't know, but that long list of "quotes" sure seems like you're trying to get others to shoot me or eat me.
My vote stays with you.
My vote stays with you.
It's not like I'm putting words in your mouth or anything. I'm just trying to gather all the relevant quotes and put them into one convenient section. Why do you have a problem with the quotes? It is, after all, what you wrote. The whole point of the game is to analyse posts and other information to deduce the identity of the wolves. If I find something that looks mildly suspicious, am I not entitled to share it with the rest of the players?
Your vote for me sounds more retaliative than based on actual suspicion, which only further adds to my suspicion of you. Do you actually think I'm a wolf, or are you just placing in a vote for me because I'm sharing my views with the other players?
I'm still sticking with Shaid for now.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I'm not voting for you for having an opinion. I'm voting for you because you seem to have jumped on the Josh's opinion that you don't think I'm the seer. That's HIGHLY suspicious given that I AM the seer. Obviously Menz thinks so too.
So yes, I actually think you're a wolf. Furthermore, this statement:
sounds defensive AND sounds like you are still trying to cast blame on me. It's quite suspicious to place blame on the seer. That's why I seered GA and Limerick the first two rounds and am hoping to seer Josh. Accordingly, my vote stays with you.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
So yes, I actually think you're a wolf. Furthermore, this statement:
Your vote for me sounds more retaliative than based on actual suspicion, which only further adds to my suspicion of you. Do you actually think I'm a wolf, or are you just placing in a vote for me because I'm sharing my views with the other players?
sounds defensive AND sounds like you are still trying to cast blame on me. It's quite suspicious to place blame on the seer. That's why I seered GA and Limerick the first two rounds and am hoping to seer Josh. Accordingly, my vote stays with you.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
jtolley wrote:
I thought I had already explained that...
Psychic_Master wrote:
Someone states an opinion, and I give my response and thoughts on the matter.
Well, there's 3 more hours and unless someone changes their vote or someone else comes along to place their vote, the comp's gonna choose between Shaid and I. I hope someone can understand my point about inactivity. Also, it's worth mentioning that both Shaid and wildfool have been online today but not posted. Of course, this could mean anything, e.g. they just didn't have time, but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I'm not voting for you for having an opinion. I'm voting for you because you seem to have jumped on the Josh's opinion that you don't think I'm the seer. That's HIGHLY suspicious given that I AM the seer. Obviously Menz thinks so too.
I thought I had already explained that...
Psychic_Master wrote:
Well jtol, I thought that since Josh had already put it out there in the open for every player to see, I might as well share my thoughts on the matter. In case you didn't notice, I wasn't exactly trying to get people to vote for you. I was just stating how unlikely it was that you should survive this night's round, and what it could possibly mean if you do.
Someone states an opinion, and I give my response and thoughts on the matter.
Well, there's 3 more hours and unless someone changes their vote or someone else comes along to place their vote, the comp's gonna choose between Shaid and I. I hope someone can understand my point about inactivity. Also, it's worth mentioning that both Shaid and wildfool have been online today but not posted. Of course, this could mean anything, e.g. they just didn't have time, but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
lol, it's quite possible I've made mistakes, I was too tired to go back and doublecheck EVERYTHING, especially since people will be doing that anyway, no matter what I do ^^;; I'm trying to understand the facts, it doesn't make sense for me to make up points when everything will be doublechecked, I trieeeed to make it as accurate as I can.
Psychic_Master wrote:
Well actually I just got back fro vacation.
I know I';m sorry I went to maine for the weekend and forgot to mention it to you guys. I just signed on and read the posts, sorry PM for not posting immediately without reading the round just teasing ya ;)
The way I see it is there are three possibilities:
1. I was wolf and went away with no internet and couldn't make night vote
2. Wildfool was wolf and missed wolf night vote.
3. One of the wolves saw both me and wildfool inactive and refrained from voting framing both of us.
What I am confused about is why out of the three of those options, I'm the only suspect.
Honestly, at the moment I am suspecting PM. Twice this round he has compiled a list of "incriminating quotes" about people, once about me. And some of those quotes sounded strange but only out of context. For instance the one where I remarked to Mocha, asking her which psych I fit into. If he had posted the rest of it where I stated I wanted to know because I also thought she was one, and wanted to see if we each thought the other one was the orange wolf. There also wasn't anything to deny... she thought I was the blue wolf, and obviously high heels aren't my style so I wasn't going to deny that.
TO me it just seems like PM has been trying to get people shot all round. Normally that could be earnest human playing, but it seems to fabricated in this case.
My vote is going to PM, 1. to save my butt, and 2. because honestly I think he has been trying to make me more suspicious than my playing has warranted, and there's something fishy about that to me.
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Well, there's 3 more hours and unless someone changes their vote or someone else comes along to place their vote, the comp's gonna choose between Shaid and I. I hope someone can understand my point about inactivity. Also, it's worth mentioning that both Shaid and wildfool have been online today but not posted. Of course, this could mean anything, e.g. they just didn't have time, but I think it's worth keeping in mind.
Well actually I just got back fro vacation.
I know I';m sorry I went to maine for the weekend and forgot to mention it to you guys. I just signed on and read the posts, sorry PM for not posting immediately without reading the round just teasing ya ;)
The way I see it is there are three possibilities:
1. I was wolf and went away with no internet and couldn't make night vote
2. Wildfool was wolf and missed wolf night vote.
3. One of the wolves saw both me and wildfool inactive and refrained from voting framing both of us.
What I am confused about is why out of the three of those options, I'm the only suspect.
Honestly, at the moment I am suspecting PM. Twice this round he has compiled a list of "incriminating quotes" about people, once about me. And some of those quotes sounded strange but only out of context. For instance the one where I remarked to Mocha, asking her which psych I fit into. If he had posted the rest of it where I stated I wanted to know because I also thought she was one, and wanted to see if we each thought the other one was the orange wolf. There also wasn't anything to deny... she thought I was the blue wolf, and obviously high heels aren't my style so I wasn't going to deny that.
TO me it just seems like PM has been trying to get people shot all round. Normally that could be earnest human playing, but it seems to fabricated in this case.
My vote is going to PM, 1. to save my butt, and 2. because honestly I think he has been trying to make me more suspicious than my playing has warranted, and there's something fishy about that to me.
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Ok, I have updated mynotebook through round 2. Don't have time to re-read round 3 before I post, so this post is actually just about the first two rounds taking into account the big things that happened this round. I'm sorry if this is unorganized, I have to go soon, and don't have time to organize. I just need to get out my thoughts so all this work was not in vain IF by some chance I'm eaten tonight.
I found it interesting in round two how jtolley, Limerick and strat all pointed out how there seemed to be a strange undercurrent of wolves trying to take control of the situation. Limerick mentions that the vote for ngn stood out as a retalitory vote... the people who shot ngn were sausage, josh, and shaidar. jtolley felt that GA WANTED jtolley to be a wolf. I can see where he might have had that feeling. Especially with him out as seer, he must have known GA was a wolf back in round 2 and then divined limerick (which is confirmed in my mind as he was suspicious of limerick in round 2 as well, so it would make sense for him to have divined him... I know, not waterproof evidence, but it is the best I got). Strat then states that ngn, GA and limerick seem to have a hidden agenda. Again, this type of statement mght encourage jtolley to divine limerick.
One other part I noticed was how much sausage is defending people. Her defense of Limerick really pinged on my radar (that he was new, so that was why he was suspicious) and that GA is posting normal. IF GA really was a wolf, this is a bit more suspicious. But then, I've cleared people before, you all have believed me, and they turned out to be a wolf, so I'm not putting a ton of stock into that.
After I had read just round 1, I was confident in voting for jtolley again, that I still felt him to be rather suspicious, but I don't think I want to do that any more. Also in round 1, shaidar says he thinks GA's post sounds awkward, forced. Because of that, I'm temporarily not so concerned about Shaidar any more.
jtolley, I got confused by the whole arguement you and GA were having about being in a majority or voting for a majority or something like that. Perhaps you could clear that up a bit.
So, after all that, I don't have a whole lot. I think I'm going to vote for PM. He didn't really post much in round 1, and in round two, he was trying to be helpful by looking up dogs, but looked for the wrong game. Either this was a ploy to try to distract us, or it was honest. But mainly, I don't know who I want to vote for, I only know some people I don't want to vote for. And I don't think anyone else is voting for PM yet, so that is where my vot is going, please don't follow unless you have a good reason because mine is really lame. I just need more time to process and I'm out of time.
EDIT: and now I see that he was actually in a majority, but I don't have time, and I don't think it is shaidar as I said, so there it stays.
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"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
I found it interesting in round two how jtolley, Limerick and strat all pointed out how there seemed to be a strange undercurrent of wolves trying to take control of the situation. Limerick mentions that the vote for ngn stood out as a retalitory vote... the people who shot ngn were sausage, josh, and shaidar. jtolley felt that GA WANTED jtolley to be a wolf. I can see where he might have had that feeling. Especially with him out as seer, he must have known GA was a wolf back in round 2 and then divined limerick (which is confirmed in my mind as he was suspicious of limerick in round 2 as well, so it would make sense for him to have divined him... I know, not waterproof evidence, but it is the best I got). Strat then states that ngn, GA and limerick seem to have a hidden agenda. Again, this type of statement mght encourage jtolley to divine limerick.
One other part I noticed was how much sausage is defending people. Her defense of Limerick really pinged on my radar (that he was new, so that was why he was suspicious) and that GA is posting normal. IF GA really was a wolf, this is a bit more suspicious. But then, I've cleared people before, you all have believed me, and they turned out to be a wolf, so I'm not putting a ton of stock into that.
After I had read just round 1, I was confident in voting for jtolley again, that I still felt him to be rather suspicious, but I don't think I want to do that any more. Also in round 1, shaidar says he thinks GA's post sounds awkward, forced. Because of that, I'm temporarily not so concerned about Shaidar any more.
jtolley, I got confused by the whole arguement you and GA were having about being in a majority or voting for a majority or something like that. Perhaps you could clear that up a bit.
So, after all that, I don't have a whole lot. I think I'm going to vote for PM. He didn't really post much in round 1, and in round two, he was trying to be helpful by looking up dogs, but looked for the wrong game. Either this was a ploy to try to distract us, or it was honest. But mainly, I don't know who I want to vote for, I only know some people I don't want to vote for. And I don't think anyone else is voting for PM yet, so that is where my vot is going, please don't follow unless you have a good reason because mine is really lame. I just need more time to process and I'm out of time.
EDIT: and now I see that he was actually in a majority, but I don't have time, and I don't think it is shaidar as I said, so there it stays.
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"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Hmm, another nail in my coffin. You're all just digging a deeper hole for yourselves. The wolves are probably snickering behind their computer screen right now.
Oh well, it's been a fun ride. I'm not a wolf, although that's not gonna convince any of you. Good luck in tracking 'em down when and if I'm gone. I'll try to check back again before this round ends.
@jtol - If you really are the Seer, then I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way. I just like to explore all the possibilities, y'know.
@shaidar - Without finger pointing, there isn't progress. You got to stir the pot up a bit in this game to get a reacton. Anyway, I still think you're a wolf.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Oh well, it's been a fun ride. I'm not a wolf, although that's not gonna convince any of you. Good luck in tracking 'em down when and if I'm gone. I'll try to check back again before this round ends.
@jtol - If you really are the Seer, then I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way. I just like to explore all the possibilities, y'know.
@shaidar - Without finger pointing, there isn't progress. You got to stir the pot up a bit in this game to get a reacton. Anyway, I still think you're a wolf.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
PM wrote:
Of course you have the right to, but you have to remember that it's suspicious when gruops of people start to agree with eachother. Afterall, I'm supposed to decide whom to shoot and now you've 1) jumped on Josh's possibility that I'm a wolf when I'm the seer [highly suspicious to me, vote or no vote] 2) Become quite defensive and 3) are hypocritical. While you say that you were just responding to Josh's opinon, wasn't I doing the same thing, i.e. just "responding" to your opinon about shaidar at the beginning of the round? You use it as evidence against me. Why can't I do the same?
With those three reasons, comes my vote.
Edit:
mocha said:
Lol, that WAS confusing even to me . Here's what think was up:
So me and GA were trying to pin eachother because we said that each other were in the majority at some point of 1st rounds voting. At one point, I was in with the most votes for Annoon, GA at one point was in the majority with the votes for me. Since it's suspicious to be in the majority, I guess we used that as evidence that the other one was a wolf.
Edit 2:
PM wrote:
PM, there is NO offense taken. I've been suspicious this entire game, so NO need to feel sorry about thinking I was a wolf. This game is about finger pointing after all!
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Someone states an opinion, and I give my response and thoughts on the matter.
Of course you have the right to, but you have to remember that it's suspicious when gruops of people start to agree with eachother. Afterall, I'm supposed to decide whom to shoot and now you've 1) jumped on Josh's possibility that I'm a wolf when I'm the seer [highly suspicious to me, vote or no vote] 2) Become quite defensive and 3) are hypocritical. While you say that you were just responding to Josh's opinon, wasn't I doing the same thing, i.e. just "responding" to your opinon about shaidar at the beginning of the round? You use it as evidence against me. Why can't I do the same?
With those three reasons, comes my vote.
Edit:
mocha said:
jtolley, I got confused by the whole arguement you and GA were having about being in a majority or voting for a majority or something like that. Perhaps you could clear that up a bit.
Lol, that WAS confusing even to me . Here's what think was up:
So me and GA were trying to pin eachother because we said that each other were in the majority at some point of 1st rounds voting. At one point, I was in with the most votes for Annoon, GA at one point was in the majority with the votes for me. Since it's suspicious to be in the majority, I guess we used that as evidence that the other one was a wolf.
Edit 2:
PM wrote:
@jtol - If you really are the Seer, then I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way. I just like to explore all the possibilities, y'know
PM, there is NO offense taken. I've been suspicious this entire game, so NO need to feel sorry about thinking I was a wolf. This game is about finger pointing after all!
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Sorry, I guess mocha must have posted while I was typing up my post. I hadn't read that before posting. Guess I'll need to do yet another post....
mocha613 wrote:
Well, Round 1 was during the week when I still had school and thus didn't have as much time to analyse the information and share my views. Whereas now, it's a long weekend for me and I've had plenty of time to investigate.
I swear that whole business with searching up "dog" was completely honest. I just got mixed up between two games. It wasn't a ploy and I was genuinely trying to help. Believe it or not. I'm a bit annoyed that you would think that I intentionally checked up the wrong game to distract people. Even if I was a wolf, which I'm not, that's certainly not my style.
Edit: Jtol, that's good to know. Sometimes tensions get high and some people (especially me!) can forget that this is just a game, after all.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
mocha613 wrote:
So, after all that, I don't have a whole lot. I think I'm going to vote for PM. He didn't really post much in round 1, and in round two, he was trying to be helpful by looking up dogs, but looked for the wrong game. Either this was a ploy to try to distract us, or it was honest. But mainly, I don't know who I want to vote for, I only know some people I don't want to vote for. And I don't think anyone else is voting for PM yet, so that is where my vot is going, please don't follow unless you have a good reason because mine is really lame. I just need more time to process and I'm out of time.
Well, Round 1 was during the week when I still had school and thus didn't have as much time to analyse the information and share my views. Whereas now, it's a long weekend for me and I've had plenty of time to investigate.
I swear that whole business with searching up "dog" was completely honest. I just got mixed up between two games. It wasn't a ploy and I was genuinely trying to help. Believe it or not. I'm a bit annoyed that you would think that I intentionally checked up the wrong game to distract people. Even if I was a wolf, which I'm not, that's certainly not my style.
Edit: Jtol, that's good to know. Sometimes tensions get high and some people (especially me!) can forget that this is just a game, after all.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Ugh, now that jtolley has made it official, I will make my sacrifice. I am in no danger of being shot this round, so don't think that was my motivation as it was jtolley's before, so let me speak up.
I AM THE SEER.
I divined a human in round one who is still alive (ro9ge) hopefully this won't get him eaten, as I assume I will be eaten now.
I divined the wolf, Limerick in round 2.
This is why I have said I am certain he is a wolf, and why I am certain jtolley is a wolf, now that he has made his false claim official.
I hope that will make some of you switch your votes, and at least you have a better chance. I am suspicious of strategery as well for how she has reacted of late.
I AM THE SEER.
I divined a human in round one who is still alive (ro9ge) hopefully this won't get him eaten, as I assume I will be eaten now.
I divined the wolf, Limerick in round 2.
This is why I have said I am certain he is a wolf, and why I am certain jtolley is a wolf, now that he has made his false claim official.
I hope that will make some of you switch your votes, and at least you have a better chance. I am suspicious of strategery as well for how she has reacted of late.
Oh gosh. I was just waiting for this happen. The double whammy. Two people claiming to be the Seer. My head hurts. This game just got a lot more interesting all of a sudden.
Edit: I know this is certainly going to get me shot or killed eventually, but I'm leaning towards believing Josh at this stage, seeing as how his information is more consistent with my own personal investigations. Jtol must have been fairly confident that either NGN, Anoon, GA or jpaw was the Seer and thought that he could assume the role safely without repercussions. I still stand by my opinion that jtol, Limey and Shaid are the wolves.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Edit: I know this is certainly going to get me shot or killed eventually, but I'm leaning towards believing Josh at this stage, seeing as how his information is more consistent with my own personal investigations. Jtol must have been fairly confident that either NGN, Anoon, GA or jpaw was the Seer and thought that he could assume the role safely without repercussions. I still stand by my opinion that jtol, Limey and Shaid are the wolves.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
PM, for now, I am assuming you are human. In that case, you might want to switch to Limerick, a confirmed wolf. I didn't divine jtolley, but I can only imagine a wolf would make a false claim as a seer. Hopefully with the time left we can get a majority together.
EDIT: I'm sure you understand now why I was so quick to pick up on jtolley's vague claim earlier on. Perhaps if you go back to previous rounds, you can see some of my own hints.
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EDIT: I'm sure you understand now why I was so quick to pick up on jtolley's vague claim earlier on. Perhaps if you go back to previous rounds, you can see some of my own hints.
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I wasn't going to do this, but I think I'm going to have to switch over to Limerick. Even jtolley has admitted that he has been suspicious this whole game, whereas I have no real reason to distrust Josh.
I'll check back on previous rounds.
Edit: Ooh, can definitely see the subtle clues in Josh's posts from Round 1 itself. Whereas Rog only started posting like a seer in Round 2 when he wrote "vote GA" in white. Gosh, this is harddd.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I'll check back on previous rounds.
Edit: Ooh, can definitely see the subtle clues in Josh's posts from Round 1 itself. Whereas Rog only started posting like a seer in Round 2 when he wrote "vote GA" in white. Gosh, this is harddd.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Good, hopefully some of the other humans will have time to get back online and vote for Limerick. If I'm not eaten, feel free to shoot me next round. I'll at least tell you the results of my divination. If I'm eaten, I would shoot jtolley, or Limerick and then jtolley if you missed out this round. I would assume GA was human as well, but if ngn was a wolf, then we've got them.
EDIT: and Limerick, I'm impressed, it was gutsy voting for jtolley, had me wavering about jtolley. But apologizing to him later put me at ease. Then of course, when he made his false claim offical it was time to speak up. Check it out folks.
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EDIT: and Limerick, I'm impressed, it was gutsy voting for jtolley, had me wavering about jtolley. But apologizing to him later put me at ease. Then of course, when he made his false claim offical it was time to speak up. Check it out folks.
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Wait, what? Now I'm confused, though this makes my vote easy, and now makes me really confused as to what's going on since I was so sure about jtolley being a wolf, this makes things kind of crazy. Based on the information before me, I have to agree generally that only a wolf would make a false claim as a seer, but I also don't see how this would work to your advantage if you're both wolves.... So, I'm a bit at a loss now. And you do realise your own claims make no sense, you picked up on jtolley's claims who you didn't see early on because you were the seer? o__O If you were both the wolves pointing fingers at eachother would be quite dramatic, but I really don't get it. This step makes no logical sense to me...
I know, I was thrown off course by that as well. I was almost certain that jtol and Lime were wolves, until I went back to previous rounds and saw that jtol had listed Lime as one of his main suspects more than a couple of times. And Lime had also done a similar thing.
Edit: I'm pretty sure the cause of all this confusion is jtol, who has probably been messing with all of us from the first round itself.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Edit: I'm pretty sure the cause of all this confusion is jtol, who has probably been messing with all of us from the first round itself.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
I can't explain jtolley's actions. All I can explain is that Limerick is a divined werewolf, and I can think of no other explanation for jtolley's actionsother than him being a wolf. There have been many games where wolves have voted for one another, or at least thrown suspicion on one another in order to get a situation where at least one survives. I have employed that technique myself. At any rate: Limerick 100% wolf, jtolley 99% wolf.
EDIT: Limerick, I didn't divine jtolley early on. I thought he was getting shot, so it would be a wasted vote, I thought he was a wolf based on his actions, and I wanted to see ro9ge who fit the blue wolf writing style in my mind. Then at the end of the round jtolley had a plausible explanation, so I figured I would wait until later, always assuming he was an option. I have played with him before, but not you, so I needed to divine you first once you added to my suspicions. When I saw his false claim hint, I knew he was a wolf and so there was no need to divine him, and so my divination of you was an easy choice. So no, I still have not divined jtolley, nor will I as I'm already certain he is a wolf.
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EDIT: Limerick, I didn't divine jtolley early on. I thought he was getting shot, so it would be a wasted vote, I thought he was a wolf based on his actions, and I wanted to see ro9ge who fit the blue wolf writing style in my mind. Then at the end of the round jtolley had a plausible explanation, so I figured I would wait until later, always assuming he was an option. I have played with him before, but not you, so I needed to divine you first once you added to my suspicions. When I saw his false claim hint, I knew he was a wolf and so there was no need to divine him, and so my divination of you was an easy choice. So no, I still have not divined jtolley, nor will I as I'm already certain he is a wolf.
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WHOA WHOA WHOA.
Now I'm going to have to change my vote to Josh. He's definetely a wolf now.
The only thing I'll say in my defense is that I've been dropping clues since round 2, hoping that people would pick up on them. Obvioulsy they weren't subtle enough and now we have two wolves [Josh and most likely PM] who are trying to save themselves by making a last ditch effort to discredit me.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Now I'm going to have to change my vote to Josh. He's definetely a wolf now.
The only thing I'll say in my defense is that I've been dropping clues since round 2, hoping that people would pick up on them. Obvioulsy they weren't subtle enough and now we have two wolves [Josh and most likely PM] who are trying to save themselves by making a last ditch effort to discredit me.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Sorry for going missing for a bit, but based on what I've seen, I'm voting for limerick. I still need to analyze things alot, so I'll get back to you all with more info later. Golly this is confusing, right when I think I know who is who, everything switches.
One question though, is it just me, or has jtolley not said who he divined last round? He made it obvious he thought that GA was a wolf last round, but has he even said both people that he has divined so far? That's the one thing that is making me uneasy about him. If I were the seer
Thanks for putting up with me, I'll try to get back into the swing of things here.
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)
One question though, is it just me, or has jtolley not said who he divined last round? He made it obvious he thought that GA was a wolf last round, but has he even said both people that he has divined so far? That's the one thing that is making me uneasy about him. If I were the seer
Thanks for putting up with me, I'll try to get back into the swing of things here.
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)
jtolley wrote:
I don't know about you guys, but that just sounded really fake to me.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
WHOA WHOA WHOA.
Now I'm going to have to change my vote to Josh. He's definetely a wolf now.
Now I'm going to have to change my vote to Josh. He's definetely a wolf now.
I don't know about you guys, but that just sounded really fake to me.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Trying to save myself? When was I in danger? See jtolley, that's where your argument fails, you only suggested you were the seer when you were about to be shot. I was in no danger. I have also been dropping clues, anyone can drop clues, but only the seer can back them up.
joshmayesh wrote:
It's pretty clear that you and PM are partners, and if he goes, then you are left all alone. You're trying to get rid of me so at least you two will last a few more rounds.
Edit:
Yeah, I divined Limerick, he's human, much to Josh's diffidence. I posted it in white at the top of the round.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Trying to save myself? When was I in danger? See jtolley, that's where your argument fails, you only suggested you were the seer when you were about to be shot. I was in no danger. I have also been dropping clues, anyone can drop clues, but only the seer can back them up.
It's pretty clear that you and PM are partners, and if he goes, then you are left all alone. You're trying to get rid of me so at least you two will last a few more rounds.
Edit:
One question though, is it just me, or has jtolley not said who he divined last round? He made it obvious he thought that GA was a wolf last round, but has he even said both people that he has divined so far? That's the one thing that is making me uneasy about him. If I were the seer
Yeah, I divined Limerick, he's human, much to Josh's diffidence. I posted it in white at the top of the round.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Ro9ge wrote:
Jtolley wrote in white text earlier this round saying he divined GA and Lime. In his second post this round (in white).
Edit: Jtol - I'm not "partners" with anyone. Fact is that there has to be a seer in this game, and Josh seems to be a more convincing one than you. Both of you definitely can't be Seers, and both of you definitely can't be both humans or both wolves. One of you must be a wolf, and the other the Seer. Looking back on previous rounds information, your posts seem a lot more suspicious than josh's, so I'm more wary of you.
Ok, fact of the matter is this - by the end of this round, no matter who gets shot this round (hopefully Limerick, if common sense and logic prevails), the truth will be revealed. I am willing to bet my top-dollar that jtolley will not get eaten this round (it's probably gonna be Josh). And if that happens, I hope you all have the sense to know what to do next round.
Less than two hours remain, and unless someone with some sense comes along, it looks like another human is going to bite the dust. I hope you all go back and analyse the previous rounds and see the logic behind what I am saying. Jtol, you've played a sneaky game but unfortunately did not fully think of the repercussions of your actions. How exactly did you think this would play out? You've essentially won the game for us humans. Thanks.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
One question though, is it just me, or has jtolley not said who he divined last round? He made it obvious he thought that GA was a wolf last round, but has he even said both people that he has divined so far? That's the one thing that is making me uneasy about him.
Jtolley wrote in white text earlier this round saying he divined GA and Lime. In his second post this round (in white).
Woohoo! prompts are up!
GA was wolf, limerick is human--- that text was in white
So, some analysis, even though I suck at prompt analysis
GA was wolf, limerick is human--- that text was in white
So, some analysis, even though I suck at prompt analysis
Edit: Jtol - I'm not "partners" with anyone. Fact is that there has to be a seer in this game, and Josh seems to be a more convincing one than you. Both of you definitely can't be Seers, and both of you definitely can't be both humans or both wolves. One of you must be a wolf, and the other the Seer. Looking back on previous rounds information, your posts seem a lot more suspicious than josh's, so I'm more wary of you.
Ok, fact of the matter is this - by the end of this round, no matter who gets shot this round (hopefully Limerick, if common sense and logic prevails), the truth will be revealed. I am willing to bet my top-dollar that jtolley will not get eaten this round (it's probably gonna be Josh). And if that happens, I hope you all have the sense to know what to do next round.
Less than two hours remain, and unless someone with some sense comes along, it looks like another human is going to bite the dust. I hope you all go back and analyse the previous rounds and see the logic behind what I am saying. Jtol, you've played a sneaky game but unfortunately did not fully think of the repercussions of your actions. How exactly did you think this would play out? You've essentially won the game for us humans. Thanks.
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
That makes no sense jtolley, I haven't been in danger, why draw attention to myself? The discussion is centered around others, I have been able to pull off wolf wins alone before, I'm not going to request everyone shoot me next round if I'm not eaten if I'm a wolf, at least not this early in the game. In the end of the game it would work if you're about to win, but not now. But in your case, you are in danger. I named Limerick as the divined wolf, and revelaing myself has put egg on your face. You gambled with a hint early on, perhaps you hoped it would also get the seer outed, but when nobody spoke up, you believed you were lucky and the seer was gone. Perhaps you thought GA was the seer, or that you ate the seer. At any rate, it backfired, I am the seer, and now we have both of you. If ngn was the third wolf, it's over. And you have to eat me if ngn was human because I might divine the third wolf, this will further prove m,y claim. If ngn was human and you don't eat me, then I get shot, but then you get shot later as a precaution and the humans win anyway. Nice try though.
It actually makes perfect sense Josh if you were trying to displace blame.
The three of us [limerick, you, and me] are going to get shot the next three rounds because we are the most suspicious. If PM is not the third wolf and I've been mistaken then your third wolf will make it scott free into round 6, where their are only 5 left, at the least. Depending on if PM gets shot now, the third wolf could get in free to round 7, where only three are left. Now it's EASY for that wolf to win.
By doing this, now you've easily got your third wolf to get into the round of 3 because I would bet money that you, me, and limerick are going to get shot the next three rounds in some order.
So yes, you are a crafty wolf and are setting one of your pals up for the finals. The third wolf in this is going to get off completely unnoticed. Nicely done!
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
The three of us [limerick, you, and me] are going to get shot the next three rounds because we are the most suspicious. If PM is not the third wolf and I've been mistaken then your third wolf will make it scott free into round 6, where their are only 5 left, at the least. Depending on if PM gets shot now, the third wolf could get in free to round 7, where only three are left. Now it's EASY for that wolf to win.
By doing this, now you've easily got your third wolf to get into the round of 3 because I would bet money that you, me, and limerick are going to get shot the next three rounds in some order.
So yes, you are a crafty wolf and are setting one of your pals up for the finals. The third wolf in this is going to get off completely unnoticed. Nicely done!
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
I hate it when wolves hide their edits.
If you were telling the truth, then I would be trying to get YOU shot this round, so that YOU couldn't divine anyone else. But I'm going after LIMERICK, the one I divined. Your theory makes no sense. And I am perfectly fine with them shooting me first, care to volunteer yourself first?
EDIT: I like how you change your argument based on what's happening. If I am a wolf, and PM is not a wolf, then WHY WOULD I BE PROTECTING PM as you argued before? Why would I have done any of this?
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If you were telling the truth, then I would be trying to get YOU shot this round, so that YOU couldn't divine anyone else. But I'm going after LIMERICK, the one I divined. Your theory makes no sense. And I am perfectly fine with them shooting me first, care to volunteer yourself first?
EDIT: I like how you change your argument based on what's happening. If I am a wolf, and PM is not a wolf, then WHY WOULD I BE PROTECTING PM as you argued before? Why would I have done any of this?
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Sure, shoot me first. I probably deserve it.
Josh, you've discredited me enough where it doesn't matter what I say anymore because no one is going to believe you or I anymore. It doesn't matter if you shoot me because I will be shot later.
I'm changing to PM to keep someone I KNOW is a human alive.
And my edits were because of spelling and grammar mistakes. What's the problem with that? What did you think I was writing?
Edit:
Because now I understand the situation pretty clearly.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Josh, you've discredited me enough where it doesn't matter what I say anymore because no one is going to believe you or I anymore. It doesn't matter if you shoot me because I will be shot later.
I'm changing to PM to keep someone I KNOW is a human alive.
And my edits were because of spelling and grammar mistakes. What's the problem with that? What did you think I was writing?
Edit:
EDIT: I like how you change your argument based on what's happening. If I am a wolf, and PM is not a wolf, then WHY WOULD I BE PROTECTING PM as you argued before? Why would I have done any of this?
Because now I understand the situation pretty clearly.
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"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
jtolley wrote:
Josh, you've discredited me enough where it doesn't matter what I say anymore because no one is going to believe you or I anymore.
I doubt that, I think it's pretty clear who should be believed, I think you're trying to be suggestive again, stating what you HOPE people are thinking.
Not surprising that you're switching your vote. Tell me, if I was a wolf, why wouldn't I just vote for shaidar, unless you're claiming he is a wolf too? That would have protected PM, instead I voted for Limerick. I did that before revealing myself as the seer. I haven't changed my vote the whole round because I am voting for a divined wolf.
Josh, you've discredited me enough where it doesn't matter what I say anymore because no one is going to believe you or I anymore.
I doubt that, I think it's pretty clear who should be believed, I think you're trying to be suggestive again, stating what you HOPE people are thinking.
Not surprising that you're switching your vote. Tell me, if I was a wolf, why wouldn't I just vote for shaidar, unless you're claiming he is a wolf too? That would have protected PM, instead I voted for Limerick. I did that before revealing myself as the seer. I haven't changed my vote the whole round because I am voting for a divined wolf.
Wait, so, he was dropping clues when he was in danger, and dropping them to me specifically, who you're now claiming is a wolf? That makes a lot of sense...
My vote obviously stays as is, but what you're claiming wouldn't begin to make sense in the first place. You were so wary of jtolley because you were the seer, supposedly, yet you never divined him, but you want us to use your seer status as a reason to believe you were wary? I have to agree with jtolley though, the confusion just created is certainly going to get this very crazed real soon. Quite an interesting game whichever way it goes.
Overall, the biggest mystery is why reveal yourself now? Presumably you'd have a lot more information next round, and your accusations would stand for themselves if you get eaten.
*confused*
Anyway, there's nothing confusing about this round's vote for me at any rate...
My vote obviously stays as is, but what you're claiming wouldn't begin to make sense in the first place. You were so wary of jtolley because you were the seer, supposedly, yet you never divined him, but you want us to use your seer status as a reason to believe you were wary? I have to agree with jtolley though, the confusion just created is certainly going to get this very crazed real soon. Quite an interesting game whichever way it goes.
Overall, the biggest mystery is why reveal yourself now? Presumably you'd have a lot more information next round, and your accusations would stand for themselves if you get eaten.
*confused*
Anyway, there's nothing confusing about this round's vote for me at any rate...
You wouldn't vote shaidar because he's got enough suspicion on him where you think you could get him shot too later. You think there's enough on limerick now to hopefully get him shot instead of you.
And how would switching your vote from a person with three votes to a person with 1 protect PM? That makes no sense.
I'm protecting a known human you're trying to kill. That's what I'm doing.
Interesting you ignore my question about what I edited too? what else will you say to make me appear like a wolf?
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
And how would switching your vote from a person with three votes to a person with 1 protect PM? That makes no sense.
I'm protecting a known human you're trying to kill. That's what I'm doing.
Interesting you ignore my question about what I edited too? what else will you say to make me appear like a wolf?
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Limerick wrote:
But what point would divining jtolley served? It would be a waste of a divination. If Josh is the seer, which I am starting to believe more and more as time passes by, then it would be clear to him that jtolley is a wolf. A human wouldn't pretend to be a seer for no reason, but a wolf would, to try and take control of the game, which unfortunately, jtolley appears to have succeeded in doing thus far.
But way to stick up for a fellow wolf, Limey.
Edit: Typo
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
My vote obviously stays as is, but what you're claiming wouldn't begin to make sense in the first place. You were so wary of jtolley because you were the seer, supposedly, yet you never divined him, but you want us to use your seer status as a reason to believe you were wary?
But what point would divining jtolley served? It would be a waste of a divination. If Josh is the seer, which I am starting to believe more and more as time passes by, then it would be clear to him that jtolley is a wolf. A human wouldn't pretend to be a seer for no reason, but a wolf would, to try and take control of the game, which unfortunately, jtolley appears to have succeeded in doing thus far.
But way to stick up for a fellow wolf, Limey.
Edit: Typo
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"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Mk, well things just went from intersting to mind boggling in a matter of one hour.
I'm going to go now! There's no point in me saying that I'm the seer. Just pick who you think is more likely the seer and go with that.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
I'm going to go now! There's no point in me saying that I'm the seer. Just pick who you think is more likely the seer and go with that.
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true" ~Neils Bohr
Limerick, I'm referring to when he implied GA was a wolf when they were tied in votes, it had nothing to do with you.
Secondly, I was wary of jtolley BEFORE he made the hint of being the seer, once he dropped the hint, I was confident he was a wolf, why waste a divination on him when I could look for ANOTHER wolf?
Third, I revealed myself now because once he made the reveal thinking he was safe, I could catch him in it and save the humans. Why doesn't any of that make sense?
Jtolley, that makes no sense, I made my vote when there was only one other vote in the game. Later on PM was in trouble, I never changed my vote. Perhaps you fail to remember that I was the second person to vote this round.
In terms of the EDIT, how do I know what you edited, you edited it? It is often considered suspicious when someone edits without explanation, as though they typed something they realize would get them caught and had to change it. You say it was grammar, fine, but you've been having problems with grammar before and haven't edited it, why now?
Secondly, I was wary of jtolley BEFORE he made the hint of being the seer, once he dropped the hint, I was confident he was a wolf, why waste a divination on him when I could look for ANOTHER wolf?
Third, I revealed myself now because once he made the reveal thinking he was safe, I could catch him in it and save the humans. Why doesn't any of that make sense?
Jtolley, that makes no sense, I made my vote when there was only one other vote in the game. Later on PM was in trouble, I never changed my vote. Perhaps you fail to remember that I was the second person to vote this round.
In terms of the EDIT, how do I know what you edited, you edited it? It is often considered suspicious when someone edits without explanation, as though they typed something they realize would get them caught and had to change it. You say it was grammar, fine, but you've been having problems with grammar before and haven't edited it, why now?
In all of this, only one thing fits all these puzzle pieces jtolley and josh are throwing out, that they're both wolves in one of the strangest ploys I've ever seen, neither sure of what the other is doing as neither of your arguments are making sense. Also, I'm the known wolf? I'm not even going to bother wasting my time refuting that as it's something I personally find silliest in the game when one person defends themselves. Though, why would he shoot me anyway @ jtolley? Not that I'm doubting that he's trying to get me shot harharh
In any case, I have little doubt that in all this confusion, I will be shot eventually, I just hope people think this all through o_O
jtolley and josh for wolfident!
I'm almost tempted to switch off josh simply to see the explanation next round as to why he wasn't eaten, though, that one I can understand a bit better... and will probably happen anyway seeing where the votes are now.
In any case, I have little doubt that in all this confusion, I will be shot eventually, I just hope people think this all through o_O
jtolley and josh for wolfident!
I'm almost tempted to switch off josh simply to see the explanation next round as to why he wasn't eaten, though, that one I can understand a bit better... and will probably happen anyway seeing where the votes are now.
o.O
This is definitely the most profound WWG I've played so far. About an half an hour left till I kick the bucket. Oh well. It's been a hell of ride. You guys should definitely keep an eye on Jtol, Limey, and Shaid. Laters.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
This is definitely the most profound WWG I've played so far. About an half an hour left till I kick the bucket. Oh well. It's been a hell of ride. You guys should definitely keep an eye on Jtol, Limey, and Shaid. Laters.
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Well, only 29 minutes left in the round, I suppose I will let you know that I am divining strategery this round. If I am not eaten I will tell you the result. If I am eaten, please shoot Limerick and jtolley. If the game continues, I suspect strategery. If I am not eaten, I will tell you who I am divining next round as well. I hope more people come back online in time . . .
9 more minutes...
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
"Dream what you want to dream, go where you want to go, be what you want to be. Because you have only one life and one chance to do all the things you want to do."
Thanks PM, I don't know how I missed that.
One more question for josh (or anyone else). If Limerick and jtolley are both wolves, then why did Limerick vote for jtolley last round? That vote put jtolley up for getting shot, with 50/50 chance of a "fellow" wolf getting killed. That makes no sense.
Of course, 2 people claiming to be the seer in ROUND 3 is very weird as well...
Edit: Let me know if this is very wrong, and if people have already mentioned this or whatnot, but something occured to me.
Limerick voting for jtolley in round 2 means that, assuming josh is telling the truth, then jtolley really can't be a wolf - I can't see a wolf putting another one up to get shot like that. But if that can't seem to be true, because if josh is telling the truth, then jtolley has to be a wolf, unless he is just a human who is totally messing with us.
The only conclusion seems to be that josh is lying. Which means that he is a wolf, and....ug....I don't know who else. There's a few other possibilities of course, but that's all I can think about for right now.
Edit: I'm not changing my vote because it really wouldn't make any difference right now.
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"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." (Psalms 30:5)
One more question for josh (or anyone else). If Limerick and jtolley are both wolves, then why did Limerick vote for jtolley last round? That vote put jtolley up for getting shot, with 50/50 chance of a "fellow" wolf getting killed. That makes no sense.
Of course, 2 people claiming to be the seer in ROUND 3 is very weird as well...
Edit: Let me know if this is very wrong, and if people have already mentioned this or whatnot, but something occured to me.
Limerick voting for jtolley in round 2 means that, assuming josh is telling the truth, then jtolley really can't be a wolf - I can't see a wolf putting another one up to get shot like that. But if that can't seem to be true, because if josh is telling the truth, then jtolley has to be a wolf, unless he is just a human who is totally messing with us.
The only conclusion seems to be that josh is lying. Which means that he is a wolf, and....ug....I don't know who else. There's a few other possibilities of course, but that's all I can think about for right now.
Edit: I'm not changing my vote because it really wouldn't make any difference right now.
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