The Werewolf Game
Game #3147: The G. I. Joe Game
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This game finished in 8 rounds.
rfm
thanks Evi.
Now, it was the Cobra's turn to attack the G. I. Joe Headquarters. They attacked the Joes in the middle of the night.
HarryPutter was posted as the sentinel that night. His eyes were very catchy and could pick out suspicious movements even in the darkness. He raised the alarm immediately. As soon as the alarm was raised, the Cobra attacked and HarryPutter was an easy prey. But just then, they found the Joes ready for them.
The third battle begins...
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It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
thanks Evi.
Now, it was the Cobra's turn to attack the G. I. Joe Headquarters. They attacked the Joes in the middle of the night.
HarryPutter was posted as the sentinel that night. His eyes were very catchy and could pick out suspicious movements even in the darkness. He raised the alarm immediately. As soon as the alarm was raised, the Cobra attacked and HarryPutter was an easy prey. But just then, they found the Joes ready for them.
The third battle begins...
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It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
RFM
thanks dawn but Evi beat you at this
Haha really evi?
Alright, SPV for now
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thanks dawn but Evi beat you at this
Haha really evi?
Alright, SPV for now
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they ate Harri
gotta be quicker dawn
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gotta be quicker dawn
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Whatever
Yeah, that's too bad
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Yeah, that's too bad
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morning
voting but is subject to change
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Ank is the last inactive right? We gonna go ahead and rid ourselves of him/her this round? I'mma put my vote there for now, but as usual, is subject to change.
EDIT: but night didn't time out either, so either he/she votes and doesn't speak or ank is a wasted vote 3 rounds in?
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EDIT: but night didn't time out either, so either he/she votes and doesn't speak or ank is a wasted vote 3 rounds in?
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I will SPV for Jess-ey for now.
Ultimatecub seems a strong vote at this juncturre,
but I will have to review, iirc Harry made mention of him as suspect but let me fact check that
Harry wrote
that was the entirety of his postings last round. Either cub is a wolf, or the wolves were generally speaking deathly afraid of Harry and just ate him, or it was some thoughtless, who cares type eating....but Cub is a good place to start imo
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but I will have to review, iirc Harry made mention of him as suspect but let me fact check that
Harry wrote
ultimate seems pretty wolfy to me. Like a wolf pup of sorts
that was the entirety of his postings last round. Either cub is a wolf, or the wolves were generally speaking deathly afraid of Harry and just ate him, or it was some thoughtless, who cares type eating....but Cub is a good place to start imo
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btw dawn who is in your avi, my guess is some dry British comedian, but not sure, looks sort of familiar
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
absy wrote:
The end of night is delayed by several hours, so he could have logged his vote and not gotten back on yet...
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Ank is the last inactive right? We gonna go ahead and rid ourselves of him/her this round? I'mma put my vote there for now, but as usual, is subject to change.
EDIT: but night didn't time out either, so either he/she votes and doesn't speak or ank is a wasted vote 3 rounds in?
EDIT: but night didn't time out either, so either he/she votes and doesn't speak or ank is a wasted vote 3 rounds in?
The end of night is delayed by several hours, so he could have logged his vote and not gotten back on yet...
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Yes: John Cleese from Monty Python...
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I agree that ultimate would be a good shot. I thought he was suspicious sinc he was calling people out on being seer.
Whoa, not knowing John Cleese simply by looking at his dry British face? Spider I am disappoint.
Also, the roleblock role seems pretty annoying. A human can actively prevent another human. Why put it in? Kinda like how the silencer can silence a human as well. Actually silencer's even worse since why would it be a advantage to silence anyone, especially if the wolves can still talk in their TB. Since humans are in the majority there are going to be plenty of bad moves if these players continue to use their roles each night. Can they refrain from using them until they are actually suspicious of someone?
I dunno about Cub being such an obvious wolf. I mean it's possible, but...
Also, that's funny Ankit logged in but currently still isn't on. If night didn't time out then there's no reason to go for them. I mean, they could've helped out the round this once before slinking off, but any active player could've done the same.
SPV for now.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Also, the roleblock role seems pretty annoying. A human can actively prevent another human. Why put it in? Kinda like how the silencer can silence a human as well. Actually silencer's even worse since why would it be a advantage to silence anyone, especially if the wolves can still talk in their TB. Since humans are in the majority there are going to be plenty of bad moves if these players continue to use their roles each night. Can they refrain from using them until they are actually suspicious of someone?
I dunno about Cub being such an obvious wolf. I mean it's possible, but...
Also, that's funny Ankit logged in but currently still isn't on. If night didn't time out then there's no reason to go for them. I mean, they could've helped out the round this once before slinking off, but any active player could've done the same.
SPV for now.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
nice spotted spider now i don't have to go back and check :p i'm leaving my vote on cub for now
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
SPV voting random for now, subject to change etc etc
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Voting cub. I reread the posts from last round and he seemed a little suspicious, and isn't it weird that he hasn't said he isn't a wolf yet? He normally does... plus I'm pretty sure he's never been a wolf before and this might be a revenge eat.
EDIT: confirmed vote
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fear my cuteness.
EDIT: confirmed vote
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fear my cuteness.
lol I guess that should have been my first guess, never had a good idea of what the Python group looks like (havent seen Holy Grail in at least 10 years )
absy voted for ankitankurddit
dawnrising voted for absy
debc1 voted for ultimatecub
Evita voted for ultimatecub
Jayo voted for dangerouspie101
LogicalRoger voted for slammngirl92
MDCTeasers voted for ultimatecub
scrub88 voted for Jess-ey
The_Spider voted for ultimatecub
Let's pump the brakes just a little on the Cub rush, at least lets get full votes in
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
absy voted for ankitankurddit
dawnrising voted for absy
debc1 voted for ultimatecub
Evita voted for ultimatecub
Jayo voted for dangerouspie101
LogicalRoger voted for slammngirl92
MDCTeasers voted for ultimatecub
scrub88 voted for Jess-ey
The_Spider voted for ultimatecub
Let's pump the brakes just a little on the Cub rush, at least lets get full votes in
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I agree Spider, at least give cub a chance to come on and defend himself, I think that seems a little too obvious an eat. If the wolves thought harry was the seer based on that post, they would have been smart to wait a round and eat him then. Although ultimate is fairly inexperienced, he's got a talkbox to discuss these things, which probably contains at least one experienced player (not including monkey ).
I didn't realize Braingle had so many Python fans I only know a few people who even know what that is
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If it comes down do it, I'll change my vote to cub, but I"m not going to yet, and honestly it doesn't look like I'll need to since he's already a roaring majority. We'll see though.
dawnrising wrote:
I mean Ank didn't vote during the day for any round so far, and the first night timed out, this one didn't ... so he/she came on and voted just for one night after not playing at all so far this game? Idk ... sounds iffy to me. Could have been a set up ... letting night time out by the wolves so we'd look for inactives then not letting it time out so we'd think a human coming active later would be a wolf.
The end of night is delayed by several hours, so he could have logged his vote and not gotten back on yet...
I mean Ank didn't vote during the day for any round so far, and the first night timed out, this one didn't ... so he/she came on and voted just for one night after not playing at all so far this game? Idk ... sounds iffy to me. Could have been a set up ... letting night time out by the wolves so we'd look for inactives then not letting it time out so we'd think a human coming active later would be a wolf.
I don't agree with the 'it's too obvious' argument because killing the seer is such an overwhelming priority for the wolves they must put aside considerations of appearing suspicious if they think a target is the seer.
I would however, agree to two things.
1) It is possible the wolves had conflicting or weak reads on any potential seer, and thought eating Harry would be a good diversion for a round (this of course only applies if Cub is human).
2). There is some Role aspect of the game I have not considered which could explain Harry's eating.
I would say as a wolf (this is not a defense just a comment) I would not have supported eating Harry on the basis of being seer, as Round 2 is far too early to make such strong statements of suspicion if he divined Cub as a wolf.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I would however, agree to two things.
1) It is possible the wolves had conflicting or weak reads on any potential seer, and thought eating Harry would be a good diversion for a round (this of course only applies if Cub is human).
2). There is some Role aspect of the game I have not considered which could explain Harry's eating.
I would say as a wolf (this is not a defense just a comment) I would not have supported eating Harry on the basis of being seer, as Round 2 is far too early to make such strong statements of suspicion if he divined Cub as a wolf.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I support the ultimate majority but I will SPV for now since it is so early in the round.
PLEASE don't shoot me. I haven't won a game in at least 4 successive games.
And I haven't said "I'm not a wolf" just because of what Steven said...
Chemistry is awesome!
And I haven't said "I'm not a wolf" just because of what Steven said...
Chemistry is awesome!
dawnrising wrote:
Are you obsessed with him? You act like it...
Chemistry is awesome!
Yes: John Cleese from Monty Python...
Are you obsessed with him? You act like it...
Chemistry is awesome!
Not "obsessed", per se...
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But Spider, we know Harry can't be the seer though. Otherwise mnkygll would have posted it. I would take that as a premature hypothesis with no evidence.
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spider wasn't saying he was seer, he was saying he might have been eaten because the wolves thought he was seer
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It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
I love john cleese especially in fawlty towers, the best british comedy ever
who was it I also thought was acting weird, I think mdc, need to look
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who was it I also thought was acting weird, I think mdc, need to look
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no it was roger in round 2 being a little paranoid
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OH NO!! STUPID back button ... I thought it'd make a new post, not edit the one I had ... for the love of Pete.
Post said (not verbatim I can't remember that clearly): If we still have our seer (which apparently we do. I'm fairly sure, as Sonic is, that Mnk would tell us if we didn't), I hope they are active and doing their duties
There was also an edit on that post for grammar.
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Post said (not verbatim I can't remember that clearly): If we still have our seer (which apparently we do. I'm fairly sure, as Sonic is, that Mnk would tell us if we didn't), I hope they are active and doing their duties
There was also an edit on that post for grammar.
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ultimatecub wrote:
You don't have to stay alive in a game for you to win.
Instead of begging for us not to shoot you, you should explain why you should stay in the game. Your games prior have nothing to do with this one.
PLEASE don't shoot me. I haven't won a game in at least 4 successive games.
And I haven't said "I'm not a wolf" just because of what Steven said...
And I haven't said "I'm not a wolf" just because of what Steven said...
You don't have to stay alive in a game for you to win.
Instead of begging for us not to shoot you, you should explain why you should stay in the game. Your games prior have nothing to do with this one.
I think it would be cool too, at the end of the game for either Mnk to repost his role list with who got that role for the game, or we all post who we were for the game. Just to see who played as who.
THIS is the post I wanted to make as another post, not edited into the previous one ...
THIS is the post I wanted to make as another post, not edited into the previous one ...
I was paranoid? How so?
Absy, there have been so many inactives that if Mnk left it up to us to divulge our roles it'd look like clues to a logic grid puzzle.
While I agree that Cub should try and give a reason for his actions rather than worrying, if his track record consists of being shot often then you gotta feel bad for him. Getting shot as a human is very annoying, though I guess getting shot as a seer is worse.
Since a human was shot last round that means the cluemeister (if they are still with us) should have a clue, right?
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Absy, there have been so many inactives that if Mnk left it up to us to divulge our roles it'd look like clues to a logic grid puzzle.
While I agree that Cub should try and give a reason for his actions rather than worrying, if his track record consists of being shot often then you gotta feel bad for him. Getting shot as a human is very annoying, though I guess getting shot as a seer is worse.
Since a human was shot last round that means the cluemeister (if they are still with us) should have a clue, right?
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Deb what do you have against me, I cleared you in our last game no, jk
Changing vote to slamm so as not to end the round.
fear my cuteness.
Changing vote to slamm so as not to end the round.
fear my cuteness.
Well true, Roger ... So Mnk could do it for us. I think it'd be something to look at and see how each person played the role they were given. Might learn quite a bit.
John Cleese was great in Fawlty Towers. You should be able to watch a few episodes on the internet when you get the chance Spider. I think he was much better than in Life of Brian.
After Reading Ultimate Cub's defense, I don't know if I like it at all. Don't vote for me because I have not won a game. Maybe we don't want ultimate cub to win this game.
After Reading Ultimate Cub's defense, I don't know if I like it at all. Don't vote for me because I have not won a game. Maybe we don't want ultimate cub to win this game.
I'm changing my vote to Evita ... reason being, it seems like a lot of people think Cub is the way to go ... if that's the case, he's voting Ank, and while Ank IS inactive, I was also voting Ank and don't want to cause an ill-placed majority as just currently Ank was tied with Cub. Just moving my safety vote to someone without a vote at all.
this roger
Posted: 11:41PM Jun 9, 2015
You're both right but in different ways. I was indeed talking about Braingle but I was defending her as much as I was Ghost for the reason Absy said. I want to eliminate real inactives. Ones who aren't playing.
I was also but one of multiple who doubted the Braingle majority last round. Please don't single me out for something as silly as that. -.-
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I just felt the last line was odd to say
mdc- I meant roger
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Posted: 11:41PM Jun 9, 2015
You're both right but in different ways. I was indeed talking about Braingle but I was defending her as much as I was Ghost for the reason Absy said. I want to eliminate real inactives. Ones who aren't playing.
I was also but one of multiple who doubted the Braingle majority last round. Please don't single me out for something as silly as that. -.-
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I just felt the last line was odd to say
mdc- I meant roger
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i was joking :p i hope you didn't take offense
fear my cuteness.
fear my cuteness.
right scrub, ive long maintained in vulnerable to my heartstrings being pulled by simple im human pleas, but a plea withoutva im human basis has the almost opposite effect on me, doubling down on my cub stance
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I finally can converse.
Assuming we vote on ultimate based off what Harry suspected - I think Harry's death would be a bad card for the wolves to play since it would single out one of their own.
I think most of the people in this game are experienced to a degree where they wouldn't do a move like that. So maybe the wolves are trying to throw us off?
I'm placing my vote on ankit, but it could easily change. Plus, I didn't really like ultimate's attempt to defend himself. Wanting to live so that you can win a game is not enough.
I'll come back on in case I change my mind and decide to join in on ultimate.
EDIT: I forgot to mention this, but going back to what Roger said.
I think it's very very bothersome/confusing as to why a human has to silence someone else when the odds are that they are going to be silencing another human. Might as well be on the team of the wolves. This is very unfair, considering that the wolves have a TB.
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Assuming we vote on ultimate based off what Harry suspected - I think Harry's death would be a bad card for the wolves to play since it would single out one of their own.
I think most of the people in this game are experienced to a degree where they wouldn't do a move like that. So maybe the wolves are trying to throw us off?
I'm placing my vote on ankit, but it could easily change. Plus, I didn't really like ultimate's attempt to defend himself. Wanting to live so that you can win a game is not enough.
I'll come back on in case I change my mind and decide to join in on ultimate.
EDIT: I forgot to mention this, but going back to what Roger said.
I think it's very very bothersome/confusing as to why a human has to silence someone else when the odds are that they are going to be silencing another human. Might as well be on the team of the wolves. This is very unfair, considering that the wolves have a TB.
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Sorry guys. I guess I didn't realize my finals would be during this game :/ I'm going to be jumping on the ultimate vote
i just added a vote to cub.
it is now 5-3-2 for cub, ankit, and slammin
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it is now 5-3-2 for cub, ankit, and slammin
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mdc-no offense
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oh good
fear my cuteness.
fear my cuteness.
John Cleese's best one is How to Irritate People. It's on YouTube but it is 1 hour so you might need a lot of free time.
I don't get why whoever's playing Snake-Eyes would silence Jessey. Snake-Eyes is definitely human (Joe), and he can't be a Seer (Storm Shadow is the seer), so there has to be some information that Snake-Eyes has. It could also be that Snake-Eyes is inexperienced or is just playing around.
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I don't get why whoever's playing Snake-Eyes would silence Jessey. Snake-Eyes is definitely human (Joe), and he can't be a Seer (Storm Shadow is the seer), so there has to be some information that Snake-Eyes has. It could also be that Snake-Eyes is inexperienced or is just playing around.
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I am honing cub for now but I'm stool thinking Roger for next round
Things are not always as they appear
Things are not always as they appear
Going to join in on the ultimate majority.
Most likely won't be back this round.
Most likely won't be back this round.
Hello guys.. Sorry, I was stuck in some work, I found time and logged in 2 times, but both the times it was night time.
And also I have injured my right hand.
SPV for now.
20 members, so lots of rounds, will go through all the posts of all the rounds, and then join in the inferences n discussion.
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And also I have injured my right hand.
SPV for now.
20 members, so lots of rounds, will go through all the posts of all the rounds, and then join in the inferences n discussion.
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As I said I only agree to an extent about the "obviousness" of eating Harry
If Cub is a wolf, they surely must at least consider that Harry is the seer (or perhaps has some role based intel) The wolves have to hit the seer. I agree in that I probably would have deduced Harry wasnt seer because of the earliness of such a direct claim, but I certainly would consider it.
Now they may have forestalled one round in hopes of camoflaguing the eating in Night 3 (as Dawn alluded to) but that is also playing with fire.
With little else to go on, especially now that Tank has shown up, Cub seems the best candidate
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
If Cub is a wolf, they surely must at least consider that Harry is the seer (or perhaps has some role based intel) The wolves have to hit the seer. I agree in that I probably would have deduced Harry wasnt seer because of the earliness of such a direct claim, but I certainly would consider it.
Now they may have forestalled one round in hopes of camoflaguing the eating in Night 3 (as Dawn alluded to) but that is also playing with fire.
With little else to go on, especially now that Tank has shown up, Cub seems the best candidate
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
@wolves .. When I logged in 2 times, both the times accidentally it was Night time, I came to the game to check whether I am human or wolf, I think as it wasn't written on the top "You are a wolf", and I couldn't find the voting thing. So this means I am a human.
But there might be something who knows, and even though there is only 0.01% chance that I have made a mistake, and I am a wolf .. I don't want you to loose because of my missing vote. .. So please PM (message) me if I am wolf.
@humans .. You can infer the above thing in any regard.. As such you can clear me in this round, by voting me in majority or something, I am cool with it ..
I am sure I am a human, but as I joined in late, and that too my right hand is injured and paining, it could be something else. So I had to be sure for the sake of the wolves.
@all .. this game is fun, i feel sad for missing the first 2 rounds.
But there might be something who knows, and even though there is only 0.01% chance that I have made a mistake, and I am a wolf .. I don't want you to loose because of my missing vote. .. So please PM (message) me if I am wolf.
@humans .. You can infer the above thing in any regard.. As such you can clear me in this round, by voting me in majority or something, I am cool with it ..
I am sure I am a human, but as I joined in late, and that too my right hand is injured and paining, it could be something else. So I had to be sure for the sake of the wolves.
@all .. this game is fun, i feel sad for missing the first 2 rounds.
You should be able to check wether you are human or wolf now?
after all.....
Knowing is half the battle
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
after all.....
Knowing is half the battle
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Yea.. I just got it, I was looking for the inscription somewhere else..
It says in bold that "I am a *"
So no need of any PM .. I am not specifying what I am, because my intentions of the above post were to be 100% sure, which I am now..
So I need not pledge my role..
Thanks Spider ...
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It says in bold that "I am a *"
So no need of any PM .. I am not specifying what I am, because my intentions of the above post were to be 100% sure, which I am now..
So I need not pledge my role..
Thanks Spider ...
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@ultimatecub ..
Just my views on what you had said earlier ..
Getting shot or eaten doesn't mean that you lost the game .. That is altogether a different equation... In this game, either the wolves win or the humans win ..
In any case, if the team (human or wolf) that you are part of wins, then you are a winner, even though if you were shot or eaten in the first round itself ..
I have seen some people sacrificing themselves early in this game, as a part of strategy that will make her/his team to win...
The chess lovers like to call this "Pawn Sacrifice"..
Thanks for listening..
I am not trying to counter argue you.. I just felt like to append some thoughts to that of yours.
Just my views on what you had said earlier ..
Getting shot or eaten doesn't mean that you lost the game .. That is altogether a different equation... In this game, either the wolves win or the humans win ..
In any case, if the team (human or wolf) that you are part of wins, then you are a winner, even though if you were shot or eaten in the first round itself ..
I have seen some people sacrificing themselves early in this game, as a part of strategy that will make her/his team to win...
The chess lovers like to call this "Pawn Sacrifice"..
Thanks for listening..
I am not trying to counter argue you.. I just felt like to append some thoughts to that of yours.
If the Cobra is unbeatable in their home, then Joes are also unbeatable in their own home.
A fierce fight ensued and went for a whole day. Then, ultimatecub got tired and went into Joes custody. Every member of cobra pays full allegiance to it and doesn't hesitate to die for it.
Fearing that Joes will extract out the Cobra's secrets from him, ultimatecub committed suicide.
Revenge on its way....
PM me your targets ASAP.
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Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
A fierce fight ensued and went for a whole day. Then, ultimatecub got tired and went into Joes custody. Every member of cobra pays full allegiance to it and doesn't hesitate to die for it.
Fearing that Joes will extract out the Cobra's secrets from him, ultimatecub committed suicide.
Revenge on its way....
PM me your targets ASAP.
---This message was edited on 2015-06-12 11:16:10---
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
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