Who's The Boss
Game #2102: Order 66
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This game finished in 7 rounds.
Congratulations, Boss.
Thanks, everyone, for playing.
The clues were all characters played by Zooey Deschanel. Zooey was the subject of one of LogicalRoger`s quizzes.
Now, please feel free to discuss the cheating issue.
Mostly just here to play checkers now. You're always welcome to challenge me to a game.
Thanks, everyone, for playing.
The clues were all characters played by Zooey Deschanel. Zooey was the subject of one of LogicalRoger`s quizzes.
Now, please feel free to discuss the cheating issue.
Mostly just here to play checkers now. You're always welcome to challenge me to a game.
Cool. I don't think I've ever seen a case where there was only a boss & an employee left. Interesting to see it.
But my apologies go out to everyone for helping to further taint this game. I wish I could've won without any cheating at all on either side, but I suppose it was my stupid idea of fighting fire with fire. Note that I never expected to be the boss and only expected to report ways to stop the clones, not hinder game fun. As some of you may already know, the user Ammer is very likely to have multiple accounts, seeing as how Ammer, TechA, Sprringe, and Salamthebird all act very similar, compliment each other as though it were going out of style, and most importantly help each other cheat. Now, even if they were different people, the constant cheating in Boss and Werewolf games would still be inexcusable.
In this game TechA was my rat and thus already knew who the boss was. It made it really easy, knowing this information illegally, to try and then fire the boss as Ammer. That's why he continued to harp against me - he was absolutely sure of it, and for good reason. He had no evidence, not even a clue linking to me and yet he was still sure. No sane player would do this unless he had a reason to continue. Besides this one, he has cheated in multiple other games, particularly ones in which one of his group is modding. Being mod, he already knows everything and thus gets his clones to go against the wolves or the boss. He's also able to quickly solve his own clue if he wants to and has done so in the past. There is a compilation of his cheating being constructed that will list the games in which he has done this, but if prompted I could name at least one other personal experience and a bunch of other games.
How does one stop this? I would recommend possibly making the games private so that Ammer can't come in, as that's one of the few ways to make sure that he won't cheat. It might be a problem for newer users being unable to play games if they aren't Empy's friend, and does sometimes clog up the friend list (which I think is a problem in and of itself), but advocation for adding as a friend has worked in many other games. Although I would hate to be banned from a series of games myself, this is the only time I've ever cheated and will be my last. Ammer has been questioned multiple times, became overly hostile and then just went on to do it again later when the theory went back into the closet. If he stopped doing it then he could be let back in, but only his main account. I think this would be fair for all.
I just wanted to try and warn all Boss players about his cheating and help make the issue more public. It was stupid to ruin this game to do so, but once again I would have never dreamed of being boss. I was originally just going to try and fire him, not sharing any more information than a plan to get the cheaters out of the game. When I noted my bossiness I saw it as a way to get them out easy, but I kind of felt that it was a means to an end, which I now realize wasn't the right thing to do. As said before this will be a one-time thing in any game with normal mods as I don't want to ruin anyone else's fun. But even if I stop, allowing Ammer to continue to do what he is doing will just wind up destroying someone else's.
Sorry for the long-winded rant. But you all really deserved to know. I hope it helps. I hope one day Ammer can cast off his need to use illegally obtained information and favours from himself, but until then I, and a few others who may remain unnamed, will try to stop his heinous actions against the Braingle community at large. Thanks for listening, I hope some of you guys still had fun.
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Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
But my apologies go out to everyone for helping to further taint this game. I wish I could've won without any cheating at all on either side, but I suppose it was my stupid idea of fighting fire with fire. Note that I never expected to be the boss and only expected to report ways to stop the clones, not hinder game fun. As some of you may already know, the user Ammer is very likely to have multiple accounts, seeing as how Ammer, TechA, Sprringe, and Salamthebird all act very similar, compliment each other as though it were going out of style, and most importantly help each other cheat. Now, even if they were different people, the constant cheating in Boss and Werewolf games would still be inexcusable.
In this game TechA was my rat and thus already knew who the boss was. It made it really easy, knowing this information illegally, to try and then fire the boss as Ammer. That's why he continued to harp against me - he was absolutely sure of it, and for good reason. He had no evidence, not even a clue linking to me and yet he was still sure. No sane player would do this unless he had a reason to continue. Besides this one, he has cheated in multiple other games, particularly ones in which one of his group is modding. Being mod, he already knows everything and thus gets his clones to go against the wolves or the boss. He's also able to quickly solve his own clue if he wants to and has done so in the past. There is a compilation of his cheating being constructed that will list the games in which he has done this, but if prompted I could name at least one other personal experience and a bunch of other games.
How does one stop this? I would recommend possibly making the games private so that Ammer can't come in, as that's one of the few ways to make sure that he won't cheat. It might be a problem for newer users being unable to play games if they aren't Empy's friend, and does sometimes clog up the friend list (which I think is a problem in and of itself), but advocation for adding as a friend has worked in many other games. Although I would hate to be banned from a series of games myself, this is the only time I've ever cheated and will be my last. Ammer has been questioned multiple times, became overly hostile and then just went on to do it again later when the theory went back into the closet. If he stopped doing it then he could be let back in, but only his main account. I think this would be fair for all.
I just wanted to try and warn all Boss players about his cheating and help make the issue more public. It was stupid to ruin this game to do so, but once again I would have never dreamed of being boss. I was originally just going to try and fire him, not sharing any more information than a plan to get the cheaters out of the game. When I noted my bossiness I saw it as a way to get them out easy, but I kind of felt that it was a means to an end, which I now realize wasn't the right thing to do. As said before this will be a one-time thing in any game with normal mods as I don't want to ruin anyone else's fun. But even if I stop, allowing Ammer to continue to do what he is doing will just wind up destroying someone else's.
Sorry for the long-winded rant. But you all really deserved to know. I hope it helps. I hope one day Ammer can cast off his need to use illegally obtained information and favours from himself, but until then I, and a few others who may remain unnamed, will try to stop his heinous actions against the Braingle community at large. Thanks for listening, I hope some of you guys still had fun.
---This message was edited on 2010-04-20 21:39:15---
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
You do not have any evidence of that.
You are just assuming which is all you people are good at. I'm disappointed that you kicked me out because of a suspicion that has no base or evidence.
The Ruins of Old Braingle Are All That Are Left Now.
You are just assuming which is all you people are good at. I'm disappointed that you kicked me out because of a suspicion that has no base or evidence.
The Ruins of Old Braingle Are All That Are Left Now.
Well I also fired you because you were actively and obviously conspiring with your same lame half Ammer to fire me, if that's any difference.
How about stop cheating? How about you don't go in games only when accompanied by Ammer? If none of you were together, at least one would know you weren't cheating. But of course you wouldn't do that, because you need to cheat to win.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
You are just assuming which is all you people are good at.
And yet you fail to address any individual points because you cannot back up that you are four different people. All you can say is "no I'm not, you're wrong. Where's the evidence?!" There are waaay too many coincidences in your games. Why do your "friends" always know? Why do they always agree to do what's best for your group? Why do they solve your clues? Honestly, if you could address any of that with more than a "just because" sort of answer or bare indignation then your reasoning might be reasonable. But for now all you're doing is getting desperate and thinking up any little excuse to preserve your cheating.How about stop cheating? How about you don't go in games only when accompanied by Ammer? If none of you were together, at least one would know you weren't cheating. But of course you wouldn't do that, because you need to cheat to win.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
*Yawn*
I'm still waiting for some evidence.
The Ruins of Old Braingle Are All That Are Left Now.
I'm still waiting for some evidence.
The Ruins of Old Braingle Are All That Are Left Now.
It's interesting how only TechA is responding to Roger's post. If they were different people, I'm pretty sure ALL of them would respond. One has to be smart to have multiple accounts. Sheesh. (Now Ammer will pop up out of nowhere and say something like "I was busy" or "Why should I bother responding to such petty accusations" or whatever.)
Come think of it, Ammer wouldn't do that. Ammer's the main account, and he wouldn't want to ruin his reputation. Notice how Ammer always tries to be cordial? TechA is the one he uses to make sarcastic/insulting comments.
EDIT: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are, it is a duck. Ever heard of that? When we finish compiling the list of games in which you've cheated, you'll have plenty of evidence, believe me.
And then there's the QM elections thing.
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Come think of it, Ammer wouldn't do that. Ammer's the main account, and he wouldn't want to ruin his reputation. Notice how Ammer always tries to be cordial? TechA is the one he uses to make sarcastic/insulting comments.
EDIT: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are, it is a duck. Ever heard of that? When we finish compiling the list of games in which you've cheated, you'll have plenty of evidence, believe me.
And then there's the QM elections thing.
---This message was edited on 2010-04-21 17:28:48---
Still more baseless comments.
You can accuse me and Ammer all you want, but you do not have any evidence.
Your the ones that are making yourselves look bad, accusing anyone who comes to your heads without any base.
And to counter one of your assumptions that "Ammer" is the "Main" account, I made my account before Ammer made his. You just felt like saying 'Ammer is the main account' so you said it without any evidence.
---This message was edited on 2010-04-21 17:38:57---
The Ruins of Old Braingle Are All That Are Left Now.
You can accuse me and Ammer all you want, but you do not have any evidence.
Your the ones that are making yourselves look bad, accusing anyone who comes to your heads without any base.
And to counter one of your assumptions that "Ammer" is the "Main" account, I made my account before Ammer made his. You just felt like saying 'Ammer is the main account' so you said it without any evidence.
---This message was edited on 2010-04-21 17:38:57---
The Ruins of Old Braingle Are All That Are Left Now.
Shadows wrote:
1. Why would I bother responding to such petty accusations by petty people.
2. I am too busy to deal with your ignorance, but I will take time from my busy life to deal with your ignorance in the hopes of making the world a better place.
3. If I were the main account, why would I have made TechA before? TechA was the one who told me about Braingle, as you can see he made his account first.
4. I don't try to be cordial for your information, in fact I always get heated and you know that. It's either you are pretending to "forget" or you really are just confused.
5. TechA has a right to make sarcastic comments because none of you should be taken seriously.
6. Go ahead and try to "compile" a list of games where we've cheated, you won't find any.
7. What QM election thing? TechA can't even run for QM because he doesn't have the necessary corrections grade.
8. And most importantly, when you said that it was interesting how ONE person was responding, you are just proving your confused state of mind because if both of us would have responded before you posted, you would have said that it was suspicious that both of them remembered to check the old WTB round and both of them posted. People like you will try to find a fault no matter what happens.
Your baseless accusations will be rejected once more, the first time you tried this you failed and you will fail again because you are not telling the truth and I am.
Buh bye now
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Braingle certainly isn't what it used to be, good things don't last forever I guess.
It's interesting how only TechA is responding to Roger's post. If they were different people, I'm pretty sure ALL of them would respond. One has to be smart to have multiple accounts. Sheesh. (Now Ammer will pop up out of nowhere and say something like "I was busy" or "Why should I bother responding to such petty accusations" or whatever.)
Come think of it, Ammer wouldn't do that. Ammer's the main account, and he wouldn't want to ruin his reputation. Notice how Ammer always tries to be cordial? TechA is the one he uses to make sarcastic/insulting comments.
EDIT: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are, it is a duck. Ever heard of that? When we finish compiling the list of games in which you've cheated, you'll have plenty of evidence, believe me.
And then there's the QM elections thing.
Come think of it, Ammer wouldn't do that. Ammer's the main account, and he wouldn't want to ruin his reputation. Notice how Ammer always tries to be cordial? TechA is the one he uses to make sarcastic/insulting comments.
EDIT: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are, it is a duck. Ever heard of that? When we finish compiling the list of games in which you've cheated, you'll have plenty of evidence, believe me.
And then there's the QM elections thing.
1. Why would I bother responding to such petty accusations by petty people.
2. I am too busy to deal with your ignorance, but I will take time from my busy life to deal with your ignorance in the hopes of making the world a better place.
3. If I were the main account, why would I have made TechA before? TechA was the one who told me about Braingle, as you can see he made his account first.
4. I don't try to be cordial for your information, in fact I always get heated and you know that. It's either you are pretending to "forget" or you really are just confused.
5. TechA has a right to make sarcastic comments because none of you should be taken seriously.
6. Go ahead and try to "compile" a list of games where we've cheated, you won't find any.
7. What QM election thing? TechA can't even run for QM because he doesn't have the necessary corrections grade.
8. And most importantly, when you said that it was interesting how ONE person was responding, you are just proving your confused state of mind because if both of us would have responded before you posted, you would have said that it was suspicious that both of them remembered to check the old WTB round and both of them posted. People like you will try to find a fault no matter what happens.
Your baseless accusations will be rejected once more, the first time you tried this you failed and you will fail again because you are not telling the truth and I am.
Buh bye now
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Braingle certainly isn't what it used to be, good things don't last forever I guess.
Your the ones that are making yourselves look bad, accusing anyone who comes to your heads without any base.
No, not just anyone. The group of four who always pal around, agree, and help each other so that one or more may win. (this can be easily observed) The high amount of circumstantial evidence wouldn't be overlooked by any court.Okay Mr. Bird, let's assume you and your crew are innocent. What would be different if we were right then? I mean, what evidence could we have that we don't have now? Since you clearly expect us to have it, there must be some, yes? Even if the owner of multiple accounts went out and said it, it would still be hard to definitively prove if it was one person instead of many people using the same computer. Truly, there isn't any hard "evidence" against you, nor could there ever be against anyone with multiple accounts. Perhaps that's why Braingle isn't so strict against them. But you see, other sites are much stricter and identify the alts much better. How do they determine it? Through analysis of suspected members' habits, not any "evidence". And you and your crew certainly fit the bill of multiple people and cheaters exactly. (You all have the exact same things for Location, Interests, Occupation for guff's sake - just like you had with moon)
You got a problem with me, go and take it up with Jake.
Very good advice that has already been taken.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
In case you didn't see my post after TechA's just scroll up, I'm sure you know how to do that by now.
One thing I don't get is the moon thing... "just like you had with moon"... ??? ok... now I can't even make sense of what you're saying, please speak something the majority of us can understand.. moon? are you serious, what does the moon or a moon or moon or whatever you were implying has to do with anything?
And about the group of four thing you mentioned...? yes we are friends... if we were one person why aren't all of us here? Oh I don't know, maybe because we are each different people, so only sometimes we join the same games, because we are friends. Just because you don't have any friends who will play with you on Braingle doesn't mean other people don't. In fact, I want to be your friend because I feel bad for you.
And for the record, Jake knows me and TechA are not the same person.
Let me repeat that more slowly...
Jake... already... knows... me... and... TechA... are... not... the... same... person.
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Braingle certainly isn't what it used to be, good things don't last forever I guess.
One thing I don't get is the moon thing... "just like you had with moon"... ??? ok... now I can't even make sense of what you're saying, please speak something the majority of us can understand.. moon? are you serious, what does the moon or a moon or moon or whatever you were implying has to do with anything?
And about the group of four thing you mentioned...? yes we are friends... if we were one person why aren't all of us here? Oh I don't know, maybe because we are each different people, so only sometimes we join the same games, because we are friends. Just because you don't have any friends who will play with you on Braingle doesn't mean other people don't. In fact, I want to be your friend because I feel bad for you.
And for the record, Jake knows me and TechA are not the same person.
Let me repeat that more slowly...
Jake... already... knows... me... and... TechA... are... not... the... same... person.
---This message was edited on 2010-04-21 18:11:24---
Braingle certainly isn't what it used to be, good things don't last forever I guess.
1. Why would I bother responding to such petty accusations by petty people.
2. I am too busy to deal with your ignorance, but I will take time from my busy life to deal with your ignorance in the hopes of making the world a better place.
2. I am too busy to deal with your ignorance, but I will take time from my busy life to deal with your ignorance in the hopes of making the world a better place.
- Ad Hominem Attack, means nothing.
3. If I were the main account, why would I have made TechA before? TechA was the one who told me about Braingle, as you can see he made his account first.
4. I don't try to be cordial for your information, in fact I always get heated and you know that. It's either you are pretending to "forget" or you really are just confused.
4. I don't try to be cordial for your information, in fact I always get heated and you know that. It's either you are pretending to "forget" or you really are just confused.
- Nitpicking very small and inconsequential "hits" so that he can continue to ignore major points and seem correct because he addressed anything at all.
5. TechA has a right to make sarcastic comments because none of you should be taken seriously.
- Nonsensical ad hominem attack and example of how this group sticks together (many other examples in the TWg & WTB archives)
6. Go ahead and try to "compile" a list of games where we've cheated, you won't find any.
TWG - 1580, 1586, 2039 and this game for starters.
7. What QM election thing? TechA can't even run for QM because he doesn't have the necessary corrections grade.
- The election where you won against one of your clones. The election in which you complimented yourself ... again. And nobody said that TechA was the one participating in it. Is that another small hit meant to distract readers from the bigger picture again?
8. And most importantly, when you said that it was interesting how ONE person was responding, you are just proving your confused state of mind because if both of us would have responded before you posted, you would have said that it was suspicious that both of them remember to check the old WTB round and both of them posted.
This is a hypothesis, not a fact. Where is your evidence? I know I wouldn't critique the fact that you're reading the comments, that's a common thing to do. What's more uncommon is to only post a comment when someone is saying that you'll do the exact opposite, (ex. 'Only one of you is commenting.' 'Here I am! See, we're both commenting now. We both have extremely similar but different voices. See. We are two people! Doesn't my cued showing up and defending prove this?') And the fact that you're saying the exact same things, in the exact same tone, as TechA also doesn't help your case.
One thing I don't get is the moon thing... "just like you had with moon"... ??? ok... now I can't even make sense of what you're saying, please speak something the majority of us can understand.. moon? are you serious, what does the moon or a moon or moon or whatever you were implying has to do with anything?
Oh, I forgot that you aren't able to analyse content and think. Okay, here's what I meant: seeing how I put "moon" right after I said you both had similar interests, locations, occupations, I had hoped that that would have jogged your memory to the time when you and one of your clones both had "moon" as your location, occupation and interest. Indeed, the clue for the game was moon and got the other one shot.And for the record, Jake knows me and TechA are not the same person.
I'm sure you've met in person with him. I'm also sure you read my part above (scroll up) in which I said that that is really the only way to know. Not to mention that you're probably lying and Jake never said that he knew you were all different people anyways. Just because you don't have any friends who will play with you on Braingle doesn't mean other people don't. In fact, I want to be your friend because I feel bad for you.
Awww, thwanks for another ad hominem. That means absolutely nothing.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
to much reading
lets agree that your all idiots and children mentaly
lets agree that your all idiots and children mentaly
fireheart wrote:
1) Don't mispell anything
2) Dont complain about, "to much reading" First off, it's too! And secondly, it's not really that much reading!
to much reading
lets agree that your all idiots and children mentaly
Ouch. Fire - I'm on your side. But really, if you want to label others as being idiots and children mentally, I have two hints for you:lets agree that your all idiots and children mentaly
1) Don't mispell anything
2) Dont complain about, "to much reading" First off, it's too! And secondly, it's not really that much reading!
lets agree that your all idiots and children mentaly
That was rather uncalled for. I'm ranting for a reason, you know, not just to do it. And I wouldn't talk about one's mentality, if I were you. Those clues were all rather simple.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
Follow Braingle!