Farmers or Teachers
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wyse 
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 Posted: 05:46AM Aug 28, 2012 |
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Now choose you answer carefully, and come up with a good explanation.
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JQPublic
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Posted: 09:50AM Aug 28, 2012 |
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wyse, I think you should get a third karma arrow and have a try at the This or That? game in the high karma forum. I think you'll be very fond of that game. 
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bluegrasss  
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Posted: 10:10AM Aug 28, 2012 |
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Both have a tough job and both are equally needed. You need the Farmer to grow many things (different grains, different livestock, & different foods) to feed the Teacher. You need the Teacher to enhance the education of the Farmer to grow better things (crops, livestock, & foods). The Farmer has to deal with with different/difficult environments (weather, soil, animals, cost of equipment, Government mandates, licenses, etc...). The Teacher also has to deal with different/difficult environments (class size, sickness of students, cost of materials, weather (school delays), Government standards, licenses, etc...).
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wyse
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Posted: 10:14AM Aug 28, 2012 |
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Just choose, and JQ cant we be friends and how do I get another one
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snowmonster
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Posted: 10:16AM Aug 28, 2012 |
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Why are we choosing one of these? What is the purpose of this debate, if it is one?
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charlottes-odd
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Posted: 10:52AM Aug 28, 2012 |
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This is a difficult one for me, both have tough jobs, farmers have to make sure crops grow so they can get paid, and there are various other difficulties for them, but teachers also have a tough job with troublesome kids and the lessons. I picked farmer, for the reason that id rather be a farmer than a teacher, because i couldnt cope in the school environment and id rather have a more active, outside type of job 
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wyse
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Posted: 12:58PM Aug 28, 2012 |
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snow the purpose is to eliminate one choice as a proper debate should
mines farmers go without food for a year and enjoy it. You can go without a proper education. You can always get home schooled which to me is more effective.
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charlottes-odd
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Posted: 01:41PM Aug 28, 2012 |
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Thats very true wyse, you can survive without an education but you cant survive without food, say if suddenly all the teachers went, yes thered be no education, but if you wanted to learn theres still books, the internet etc and youll survive. But say farmers stopped working, after a while thered be no food so everyone would starve resulting in death. So thank you farmers!  i think this is a very good topic wyse by the way
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jaycr
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Posted: 04:21PM Aug 28, 2012 |
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 Farmers couldn't grow food without an education, and teachers couldn't live without food.
Can we move on . . . 
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snowmonster
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Posted: 04:54PM Aug 28, 2012 |
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wyse wrote: snow the purpose is to eliminate one choice as a proper debate should
mines farmers go without food for a year and enjoy it. You can go without a proper education. You can always get home schooled which to me is more effective.
I"m sorry wyse, I'm having a hard time finding this a debate. I do understand where you're wanting this to go, but you failed to stress this when you posted from the beginning. In the future, please be more detailed with how you wish a topic to be debated. Otherwise, many are at a loss at how to approach a topic such as this. This is more of a discussion, but for now, I'll not suggest it being moved to GD.
As for your farming and schooling go . . . . . you can plant and grow your own food without a "proper" education, as many have in the past. . . . . and who's to say home schooling is not a "proper" education? Many home schooled children excel well past a lot of students in the public school system.
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JQPublic
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Posted: 03:12AM Aug 29, 2012 |
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bluegrasss wrote: Both have a tough job and both are equally needed. You need the Farmer to grow many things (different grains, different livestock, & different foods) to feed the Teacher. You need the Teacher to enhance the education of the Farmer to grow better things (crops, livestock, & foods). The Farmer has to deal with with different/difficult environments (weather, soil, animals, cost of equipment, Government mandates, licenses, etc...). The Teacher also has to deal with different/difficult environments (class size, sickness of students, cost of materials, weather (school delays), Government standards, licenses, etc...).
I second that.
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wyse wrote: Just choose, and JQ cant we be friends and how do I get another one
Sorry, I didn't notice that just now. I'm sorry if you felt bad about me suggesting that you get another arrow. I guess I should know that it's not easy for you. If I were you, I'd submit more teasers and quizzes. They're the fastest way to more points, so I don't see why they wouldn't be the fastest way to karma as well.
---This message was edited on 03:31AM Aug 29, 2012---
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wyse
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Posted: 08:47AM Aug 29, 2012 |
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Thank you Ma'am for the advice, you can't blame me I am after all a nine year old kid. JQ I try i HAVE 2 currently
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idiot_original
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Posted: 01:21PM Aug 29, 2012 |
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food for the body, food for the mind
if hungry enough, the teacher will learn to farm
if results are failing, the farmer will turn to education to learn how to improve
what good is either without the other, as well as many others not included.
the subject is too narrow, too bias inviting... reasoning is too sensitive to personal issues, not evidencial input
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bluegrasss
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Posted: 08:13AM Sep 2, 2012 |
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Moved to General Discussion Forum by request. Mod Bluegrasss
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charlottes-odd
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Posted: 06:07AM Sep 8, 2012 |
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jaycr wrote: Farmers couldn't grow food without an education, and teachers couldn't live without food.
Can we move on . . .
Farmers could grow food without an education, i guess, since there has been farmers for centuries, so obviously not all farmers had educations, yet still managed to grow their crops
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LogicalRoger
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Posted: 10:56AM Sep 8, 2012 |
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Not to mention that humans have been surviving for quite a bit longer than there has been agriculture or animal husbandry so clearly while farming has fed people when populations demanded more food, it hasn't always been necessary for survival.
Funnily enough, nutrition before farming was far better because those who hunted and gathered their food had a diverse diet, not having a large supply of any one thing. But when they could grow large surpluses of food, such as grain, it began to make their diet mostly grains which affected their physical development.
Of course farming today is pretty much necessary to feed all of these billions of people (even if plenty of fatcats absorb much of the feed from others). But let's think of just the terms. Farming is identified with farms and thus agriculture and animal husbandry, inventions that occurred in the about 10,000 B.C.E. But does the word "teacher" necessarily imply a credentials-certified teacher? If it does, then Snowy's point about farmers having not learned from a public school system raises a good point. However, even those farmers probably didn't get born with a hoe in one hand and a milking bucket in the other. Even without a "proper education" the farmer likely learns from all sorts of "teachers" that have no credentials to teach. His parents, older siblings, or workers on the farm all likely have shaped what he knows. Without someone to teach and support young children much of the self-efficiency praised may not be possible.
I'm sure some people are capable of learning certain skills without any instruction or guidance, but how many farmers have been like that? I would assume few as most people get help from others. Imagine what would happen if there were no people to teach young children. While people can be self-efficient, if one wasn't even taught to read it would close many avenues for him.
So in that broad definition, I would propose that teachers are in fact more important in the development of not just a secure economy but many of the important skills a society has. The farmer, while vastly important in feeding people, has not always been around. Yet teachers likely have been there since the dawn of man (at least in t he broadest sense of the word).
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