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Shadows , you make some good comments!
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Posted: 02:06PM Oct 19, 2011 |
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Spud, Shady posted at 03:49PM and 07:23PM Oct 18, 2011
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Posted: 02:07PM Oct 19, 2011 |
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STUPID me!!!!
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snappytom
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Posted: 12:01AM Oct 20, 2011 |
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I don't know.
I see it all around me. People don't care anymore.
They litter, drive too fast...they are careless in their behaviour towards others.
But also laws have changed. Now if you help someone, if they get more injuries, they might sue you because you caused those injuries. Like in this years Tour de France when Vinikurov rode straight off the road down a ditch. He couldn't move. He lay there for a while. Then all his team mates rallied and pulled him onto the road. An ambulance came. He had many fractures and broken ribs. He withdrew from the race and I think he's even retired.
My point is - had that just been a guy on a bike and we went to retrieve him, would he sue us for helping him? Or could he sue us for not helping him?
Plus, you have to consider, if you are helping someone who is vomiting or bleeding on the street, are you going to get HepC or HepB? Those sort of 'illnesses' are transferred through blood and bodily fluids.
Even mouth-to-mouth resuscitation....
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Posted: 12:54AM Oct 20, 2011 |
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Whoa freaky but great facts snappy!!!
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RGW4
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Posted: 03:00AM Oct 20, 2011 |
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I know in California, you can give good samaritan help without the fear of losing a lawsuit. You can not stop idiots to sue you for doing the right thing, but as long as you use common sense and your intentions are for their safety, you should have no problems in court. Common sense is the key.
For instance, if you come upon someone who is in a burning car... you can do whatever you need to do to get any person out of the car without any risk of a lawsuit amounting to anything. The risk of the person staying in the car is far more than the risk of you breaking one of their bones, etc., pulling them out of the car.
However, if you come across the same person in a car and there is no danger of fire or additional danger to being hit... leave the person alone and just give basic first aid and comfort.
In the case of this 2 year old... the lady who finally did pull her poor little body to one side... she would not have to fear being sued in California and having it stick; because the child was in harms way. She only pulled the child to one side and was shouting for help. The mother finally showed up and the mother took the child into her arms and took her away (the fact that the mother picked up the child... the rescuer would have been off the hook immediately... as the courts would not be able to prove if any damage to the child's internal organs would have been caused by the rescuer or the mother - sorry, not trying to minimize the problem here, just stating some facts).
As far as the blood and other fluids, a rescuer is not obligated to provide any medical help, if they fear they will be put in any harms way... short of a registered doctor or nurse coming upon the scene; they ARE expected to give reasonable care.
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Posted: 10:33PM Oct 20, 2011 |
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Those are some great facts RGW4 especially for those of us who don't live in America.
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GreenApples27
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Posted: 12:36AM Oct 21, 2011 |
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Well, to quote the title of the topic, what is this world coming to? For someone to sue a person who was trying to save their life? That is horrible. So incredibly ungrateful. 
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Posted: 01:27AM Oct 21, 2011 |
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People shouldn't try to sue someone only for saving their live, maybe if there was some more reasons, like there families have always have problems with each other, I am not saying this is the people on Braingle (maybe some though) I personally think that people are becoming more and more disrespectful for one another and are starting to become more ungrateful for the great and brave things people do, but you have to remember that some people never change and have always been that way.
You can't change someones personality, but you can always act nice to people who are angry and try to make them smile and stop them from doing bad things.
Well anyway I am sure you guys get my point though.
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Posted: 02:42AM Oct 21, 2011 |
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GA... I totally agree with you, but keep in mind, too many people look for that golden apple - the easy way to live the rest of your life without having to work. If it by suing someone you do not know and letting that person (or that person's insurance company) pay the bill... what difference is it to them?
In America... we call people who do this - blood suckers... and they always hire the lawyers who are known as ambulance chasers.
Spud... keep your faith in people... it may not always seem to work in your favor, but you sure can hold your head up high knowing you are one of the good people! It also may not help your pocket book... but I have always felt that getting money you truly did not earn is not really money in your pocket; but stolen from someone else.
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Posted: 04:12AM Oct 21, 2011 |
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I can definitely see all the points you are raising, and I understand them all, and accept them. But, I just can not comprehend doing that myself. Of course I don't know much about lawsuits and I don't have money of my own, or mortgages of my own, or whatnot, since I am still under the rule of my parents. But I still don't know how someone could ignore another person in need.
I mean, if I were mugged and stabbed on the way home from somewhere, a lawsuit would be the LAST thing on my mind, while I'm lying helpless on the ground. But my family isn't struggling, and both my parents earn enough money to keep our family trucking along smoothly, so maybe it's just my experiences in life (or maybe inexperiences in this case?) which would cause me to not really have that desperate need for money which I don't have.
I just think that if someone is injured and dying, like this poor girl was, money would be the last thing on her or her family's mind. Safety, security and health would be the only things that mattered. And for the people walking by, how would they like to be ignored in their moments of need? I just think it's selfish, really.
But, I'm only 16. I still have years to experience, and my whole life ahead of me (unless I got run over by a car in that street in China, then I wouldn't be too sure...  ), so who knows if my opinion's to change with age.
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snappytom
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Posted: 04:50AM Oct 21, 2011 |
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I guess Greenapples it is like that old Kenny Rogers song..."You 've got to know when to hold them, you've got to know when to fold"
Experience of life.
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Posted: 10:24AM Oct 21, 2011 |
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The little girl is now reported to be dead.
I wonder if this will be the end of the horrendous situation, or if the political machine will draft some Good Samaritan Laws.
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Posted: 01:03AM Oct 22, 2011 |
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GreenApples27 wrote:
But, I'm only 16. I still have years to experience, and my whole life ahead of me (unless I got run over by a car in that street in China, then I wouldn't be too sure... ), so who knows if my opinion's to change with age.
I understand why you feel this way, but quit bashing against China as a whole as if was the only country that something like this could happen. It happened in one city in the pretty big nation, couple dozen people out of 1.3 billion. I admit, China is probably on its way to a major moral downfall, if it wasn't already, but it's no reason to categorize all Chinese people and all space in China to the same group as this event. Millions of Chinese live in places that they can't imagine something like this happening (or that they would act in this way), just like you in New Zealand, me in America, and everyone else where they live. There's no country exempt from this whole notion of "what is this world coming to." It's fine to see this event as a huge warning sign about moral behavior, but not as a way to put down one country under others.
caberet wrote: The little girl is now reported to be dead.
I wonder if this will be the end of the horrendous situation, or if the political machine will draft some Good Samaritan Laws.
RIP Yue Yue ):
I certainly hope the world doesn't forget about this as if it were just a innocent occurance, and I hope some laws will be implemented, but seeing as where the human heart is going, let's just say I hope I can be proven wrong about how effective it all can be.
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GreenApples27
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Posted: 02:28PM Oct 22, 2011 |
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Silver, you should realised I said "in that street in China" so I didn't bash China as a whole. Read carefully...
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Posted: 02:41PM Oct 22, 2011 |
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I did, probably more carefully than you did, and you implied that that street in China was the only place your years could be cut short just saying. Maybe you should post carefully.
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Posted: 02:42PM Oct 22, 2011 |
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I didn't imply that at all. I was relating to the fact that that little girl probably expected to live a long and happy life, and by being hit by that car in that street, it wasn't so.
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Posted: 02:47PM Oct 22, 2011 |
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Ah see, there was the difference. After you talked about Yue Yue, what you said turned kind of personal, so it seemed to me that I should change the perspective to you instead of her. In that case, my apologies 
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Posted: 02:48PM Oct 22, 2011 |
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Silver - This isn't a legal documents site. GA posted a rather in-depth statement re. his take on the lawsuits, injuries, etc. You had a concern about who he blamed. He explained himself further. Why doubt him? Why not just take him at his word? I certainly do not think that GA thinks that ghastly things only happen in 1 country or that 1 country only has ghastly things happen.
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