The Werewolf Game
Game #2897: Seer Guardians
This private game is moderated by HarryPutter. Please read the rules and contact the moderator with any questions or concerns about this game.
This game finished in 5 rounds.
[Please only join if you are willing to comply with the following]
To play this game is simple...it is a standard WWG, but with an experimental seer protection procedure.
Starting Round 2, everyone must make an SPVD post. . (Seer Protection Vote & Divination).
While an SPV is just locking in a usually random vote, the SPVD works like this....
After locking in a regular SPV, EVERYONE posts a player name and an ID/role of that person, regardless of your own role. Everyone is posting fake seer divinations so the seer (if they choose to) can clearly post their real ones. That is, if the seer dies, then the IDs of those divined will be clearly known. Furthermore, it provides humans with some information if a particular player is eaten, e.g. someone may be eaten if their false wolf divination was correct, and therefore it's likely that accused player is a wolf.
So an example of your first post of Round 2 could be as follows:
If your first post of Round 2 does not contain an SPVD, I will delete your post and PM you. This is because I would like this game to test the efficacy of the SPVD, and this is the only way to do it so everyone participates. The SPVD only needs to last for as long as the seer is alive (for obvious reasons).
Feel free to ask questions. Some tactics were discussed in Celt's game, for reference
---This message was edited on 2013-03-21 13:23:03---
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
To play this game is simple...it is a standard WWG, but with an experimental seer protection procedure.
Starting Round 2, everyone must make an SPVD post. . (Seer Protection Vote & Divination).
While an SPV is just locking in a usually random vote, the SPVD works like this....
After locking in a regular SPV, EVERYONE posts a player name and an ID/role of that person, regardless of your own role. Everyone is posting fake seer divinations so the seer (if they choose to) can clearly post their real ones. That is, if the seer dies, then the IDs of those divined will be clearly known. Furthermore, it provides humans with some information if a particular player is eaten, e.g. someone may be eaten if their false wolf divination was correct, and therefore it's likely that accused player is a wolf.
So an example of your first post of Round 2 could be as follows:
SPVD
Player: HarryPutter
ID: Wolf
Player: HarryPutter
ID: Wolf
If your first post of Round 2 does not contain an SPVD, I will delete your post and PM you. This is because I would like this game to test the efficacy of the SPVD, and this is the only way to do it so everyone participates. The SPVD only needs to last for as long as the seer is alive (for obvious reasons).
Feel free to ask questions. Some tactics were discussed in Celt's game, for reference
---This message was edited on 2013-03-21 13:23:03---
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
Hey HP. I saw the suggestion from the other game. Seems interesting. Glad to be here.
*rawr*
*rawr*
hiiii :3
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
Evii :33
Hey chang
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
Hey chang
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
So how have ya been? what has everyone been upto?
*rawr*
*rawr*
schoool o.o heard it's gonna be much easier next year
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
It's when you draw it you realize what it really looks like
Hey hey! Glad to see this idea as a theme
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
I'm sceptical about this whole idea and think that, with semi-decent wolves, it'll create more problems than it solves - but the only way to know for sure is to test it out.
The idea is fine though I dont think it should be as overt as I divined xxx to be yyy. More like little, (Har is human) thrown in throughout the round.
However, you guys are basing all your criticisms on worst case scenario, the seer will in some games die a liitle early, true probably. But basing your evaluation of a system simply on the worst case scenario isn't appropriate.
We normally ask the seer to come out in Round 4, which I think is generally a mistake, unless there are no wolves killed, cause wolves can claim in must lynch if they want to. Obviously you need some sort of savvy people for the system to work. For this system to be at least even with your expectations the seer only has to make it round 4 (at least in most of your eyes) that gives the wolves two chances of eating him (1st night eating isnt effected by any system so is irrelevant).
So you guys want 3 divinations out of the seer, and will generally take 2. While the seer will die early in some games (not as many as you think imo) that is balanced by the extra 'divinations' being tossed in. If the wolves eat someone who divined xxx as a wolf, xxx is a good bet for a wolf, even if it was just a shot in the dark divination. Same as a human divination. The wolves can murk this up a bit, but the risk is still on their side.
So the downside is the seer will die a bit earlier (maybe Night 3 a little more often than usual...night 2 is still little different than normal if done right imo) but to balance that you have 'bonus' divinations from the wolf eating choices as well as garanteed information from the seer, so that when he does die early, you still get something out of it
However, you guys are basing all your criticisms on worst case scenario, the seer will in some games die a liitle early, true probably. But basing your evaluation of a system simply on the worst case scenario isn't appropriate.
We normally ask the seer to come out in Round 4, which I think is generally a mistake, unless there are no wolves killed, cause wolves can claim in must lynch if they want to. Obviously you need some sort of savvy people for the system to work. For this system to be at least even with your expectations the seer only has to make it round 4 (at least in most of your eyes) that gives the wolves two chances of eating him (1st night eating isnt effected by any system so is irrelevant).
So you guys want 3 divinations out of the seer, and will generally take 2. While the seer will die early in some games (not as many as you think imo) that is balanced by the extra 'divinations' being tossed in. If the wolves eat someone who divined xxx as a wolf, xxx is a good bet for a wolf, even if it was just a shot in the dark divination. Same as a human divination. The wolves can murk this up a bit, but the risk is still on their side.
So the downside is the seer will die a bit earlier (maybe Night 3 a little more often than usual...night 2 is still little different than normal if done right imo) but to balance that you have 'bonus' divinations from the wolf eating choices as well as garanteed information from the seer, so that when he does die early, you still get something out of it
Smithy wrote:
Whole reason why I am here. And I am not sure is school will ever get any easier for me haha. Just turned in my paper yesterday and already worried >_
*rawr*
I'm sceptical about this whole idea and think that, with semi-decent wolves, it'll create more problems than it solves - but the only way to know for sure is to test it out.
Whole reason why I am here. And I am not sure is school will ever get any easier for me haha. Just turned in my paper yesterday and already worried >_
*rawr*
Lets give it a try
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Seems legit.
I guess I'll make a good game my laast one
I guess I'll make a good game my laast one
I will anoint spid's lobster the "prophet"
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
Looks good. SPVD time.
Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
This would be especially great if seer dies first round.
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
There's only a 12.5% chance of that happening
---This message was edited on 2013-03-23 12:02:22---
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
---This message was edited on 2013-03-23 12:02:22---
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
HarryPutter wrote:
20% chance, only 8 will be starting round 2
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
There's only a 12.5% chance of that happening
20% chance, only 8 will be starting round 2
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
There are 2 wolves, who have a choice of 7 players to eat (as one will have been shot) 1/7 = 14.3%
Scrap that - the seer might get shot, bringing th total up to 20%. Jay is right.
---This message was edited on 2013-03-23 12:41:49---
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Scrap that - the seer might get shot, bringing th total up to 20%. Jay is right.
---This message was edited on 2013-03-23 12:41:49---
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Speaking of which a 10 player game is probably not the best to trial this in as it's so quick
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Yeah But I just wanted to make a small experimental trial. If it works in such a small game, it should work even better in a large one
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
Index for WW/WTB databases - https://ksteven.github.io/playground/ (Data refreshed: 2021-12-07)
True! I will give it my best shot
By the way, can the seer lie? Or does that defeat the purpose?
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
By the way, can the seer lie? Or does that defeat the purpose?
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
You cannot post messages in previous rounds.
Follow Braingle!