The Werewolf Game
Game #3259: For you, the sun will be shining
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Thanks bobi
You lost your seer last night
Good luck and enjoy
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Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
You lost your seer last night
Good luck and enjoy
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Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
Going to SPV for now and be back in the morning to confirm or change. Hopefully Deb will let us know if we still have a sear to protect.
My suspicion is still Waylander, so that's where I'll start, again subject to change.
Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
My suspicion is still Waylander, so that's where I'll start, again subject to change.
Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
Voting for Way..
He seems most likely wolf then others...
After that I would say HP for his last min. vote for a human(brin)
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
He seems most likely wolf then others...
After that I would say HP for his last min. vote for a human(brin)
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
catmandon wrote:
I would say it is absolutely impossible for HP to be a wolf since he was eating last round. Perhaps by YOUR partner?
HP ended up voting for Bren, although he said he's not really feel confident in that vote.
He suspected froggy. And while I don't think froggy would eat him for suspecting her, perhaps a more inexperienced partner would.
I'm holding off my vote for now but will do so before I leave to go out of town for Thanksgiving.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
s... After that I would say HP for his last min. vote for a human(brin)
I would say it is absolutely impossible for HP to be a wolf since he was eating last round. Perhaps by YOUR partner?
HP ended up voting for Bren, although he said he's not really feel confident in that vote.
He suspected froggy. And while I don't think froggy would eat him for suspecting her, perhaps a more inexperienced partner would.
I'm holding off my vote for now but will do so before I leave to go out of town for Thanksgiving.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I"m beginning to think that Brin was right about Tikka and that he and Way are partners. If Brin was right, they couldn't eat her or throw suspicion on Tikka...So Way played along and shot Brin at the last minute. It's a thought. I'm voting Way but if he is human will have to readjust my thinking.
Way seems like our best bet. If I vote for him however it will end around. Not sure I want to do that quite yet.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Miscounted the votes. Realized I could actually vote for Way and not end anything.
Wanted to make sure to get it recorded before I left which is going to be in a couple hours.
I will likely be gone most of the remainder of the round.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Wanted to make sure to get it recorded before I left which is going to be in a couple hours.
I will likely be gone most of the remainder of the round.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
I reread last game and I saw that HP was the one that got brin shot not way. I still suspect he is wolfish but I'm thinking I'm gonna switch my vote to Tikka to buy more time.
So, I am most confident that KZ and Sophie-Drake are not wolves. Sophie-Drake's play between this game and the last one are like night and day. And I like that Sophie corrected herself about the Waylander thing, which was bugging me. KZ's posts continue to feel thoughtful and genuine to me.
I have been looking through some old games to see if I can kinda reset and get some leads on suspicious people that way. Am thinking I should go off of recent games in order rather than going off of bradon's wiki like I was trying to do, since I realized a little late that the stuff I was looking at was like six years old, and I imagine people change. But for now I am off to play board games with my boyfriend.
I am curious who an inexperienced partner would be for froggy in HABS's mind.
I have been looking through some old games to see if I can kinda reset and get some leads on suspicious people that way. Am thinking I should go off of recent games in order rather than going off of bradon's wiki like I was trying to do, since I realized a little late that the stuff I was looking at was like six years old, and I imagine people change. But for now I am off to play board games with my boyfriend.
I am curious who an inexperienced partner would be for froggy in HABS's mind.
Tikka wrote:
Here is a list of the remaining players and their "official" games played count:
BRANDON - 214
CAT - 170
FROG - 154
HABS - 128
SNOW - 116
WAY - 65
KZ - 52
SOPHIE - 42
TIKKA - 0
You, Tikka are the only truly inexperienced player, and some of the ratings have born made a ton of sense.
The suggestion HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical
And you seem overly helpful.
I am going to put some merit into the idea you are Way's partner.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
...I am curious who an inexperienced partner would be for froggy in HABS's mind.
Here is a list of the remaining players and their "official" games played count:
BRANDON - 214
CAT - 170
FROG - 154
HABS - 128
SNOW - 116
WAY - 65
KZ - 52
SOPHIE - 42
TIKKA - 0
You, Tikka are the only truly inexperienced player, and some of the ratings have born made a ton of sense.
The suggestion HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical
And you seem overly helpful.
I am going to put some merit into the idea you are Way's partner.
Maybe the dog only brings the ball back because he thinks you like throwing it.
Still waiting to hear from Deb. Keeping my vote as it's the best I have until we know more.
Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
Sorry, I slept late, updates are up
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Looks like we lost our Seer.
I'll join the TIKKA vote for now - don't want to end the game until more have a chance to share their thoughts.
edit - just checked, and I don't think another vote for Way would end the round, but someone may jump in and end it if I add to that majority - so I'll vote for TIKKA now. Subject to change in need be.
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Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love.
I'll join the TIKKA vote for now - don't want to end the game until more have a chance to share their thoughts.
edit - just checked, and I don't think another vote for Way would end the round, but someone may jump in and end it if I add to that majority - so I'll vote for TIKKA now. Subject to change in need be.
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Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love.
Okay, now we know HP was the Seer, I think he must have divined Froggy and found her to be a wolf. At least she';s the only one he said was likely a wolf. Here is what he said in his Deb list:
people are a little on edge here, so i'll give my 'deb list'
bradon182001 - Not sure
bRIN - Not sure, hasn't participated enough
catmandon - leaning human
froggygg - likely wolf. My thoughts are along the lines of tikka, and there's a certain evasiveness to her posts..
HABS2933 - leaning human because I think she's a wolf, and I'm usually wrong about that
kzmonopoly - leaning human
snowmonster - leaning wolf since I always find it suspicious when someone consistently votes for humans
Sophie-Drake - Not sure, but I am thinking human
Tikka - leaning human. His suspicions list seems genuine and I agree with some of his assessments
Waylander - likely human. I don't think he would have eaten spid after the events of last round.
Changing my vote accordingly.
Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
people are a little on edge here, so i'll give my 'deb list'
bradon182001 - Not sure
bRIN - Not sure, hasn't participated enough
catmandon - leaning human
froggygg - likely wolf. My thoughts are along the lines of tikka, and there's a certain evasiveness to her posts..
HABS2933 - leaning human because I think she's a wolf, and I'm usually wrong about that
kzmonopoly - leaning human
snowmonster - leaning wolf since I always find it suspicious when someone consistently votes for humans
Sophie-Drake - Not sure, but I am thinking human
Tikka - leaning human. His suspicions list seems genuine and I agree with some of his assessments
Waylander - likely human. I don't think he would have eaten spid after the events of last round.
Changing my vote accordingly.
Formula for success: rise early, work hard, strike oil. J. Paul Getty
HP persistently made the case for me to be human, he likely divined me.
I'm going for Cat.
I never make mitsakes
I'm going for Cat.
I never make mitsakes
Bobbi, I understand your interpretation of HP's list, but if he had divined me as a wolf, then why did he take his vote off of me and put it on someone who also was in a tied majority with me? HP only had time to divine two people, so why take his vote off of a divined wolf? That really makes no sense. Besides, HP and I have been known to accuse each other for being wolves in other games. Add to that the experienced (and known winning wolves) players here and I really don't see why he would have chosen me to divine. Also, his comment about my being a "likely" wolf were based on the comments from Tikka and my posts being evasive (which is my way of playing in early rounds before I really start suspecting anyone).
Also, HP suspected snowy due to her consistently voting for humans. HP himself voted for two humans in Brin and Herm.
I'm voting for Tikka due to his rudeness (criticizing methods of play/voting for a few players especially since he continues to comment that he is new to this game) together with Habs' observations made with reference to his being a new (inexperienced) player: "HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical And you seem overly helpful."
My vote is going to Tikka.
By the way, Tikka, I am a female. You can easily tell the gender of members by looking at the gender icon if they use one. Females dressed in pink and males dressed in blue.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
Also, HP suspected snowy due to her consistently voting for humans. HP himself voted for two humans in Brin and Herm.
I'm voting for Tikka due to his rudeness (criticizing methods of play/voting for a few players especially since he continues to comment that he is new to this game) together with Habs' observations made with reference to his being a new (inexperienced) player: "HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical And you seem overly helpful."
My vote is going to Tikka.
By the way, Tikka, I am a female. You can easily tell the gender of members by looking at the gender icon if they use one. Females dressed in pink and males dressed in blue.
SMILE and people will wonder what you are up to!
HABS2933 wrote:
I don't know what "some of the ratings have born made a ton of sense" means.
Spider said that it would be very suspicious for HP and Cat to not move their votes off of Spider. HP thereafter moved his vote from Spider (human) to Hermy (also human). My thought was that, as a wolf, it would make sense for HP to move off Spider so that Spider was not shot during the day while expressing that HP should know better as a human to be voting him. He wasn't losing anything as a wolf by moving from one human to another. HP then would still be motivated as a wolf to shoot Spider in the night because Spider was putting pressure on him by having high expectations of HP's human play. Obviously I now know that this is not why Spider died, but that was my thought process.
So, is your overall point there that you think Froggy can only be a wolf if I am also a wolf...?
Tikka wrote:
Here is a list of the remaining players and their "official" games played count:
BRANDON - 214
CAT - 170
FROG - 154
HABS - 128
SNOW - 116
WAY - 65
KZ - 52
SOPHIE - 42
TIKKA - 0
You, Tikka are the only truly inexperienced player, and some of the ratings have born made a ton of sense.
The suggestion HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical
And you seem overly helpful.
I am going to put some merit into the idea you are Way's partner.
...I am curious who an inexperienced partner would be for froggy in HABS's mind.
Here is a list of the remaining players and their "official" games played count:
BRANDON - 214
CAT - 170
FROG - 154
HABS - 128
SNOW - 116
WAY - 65
KZ - 52
SOPHIE - 42
TIKKA - 0
You, Tikka are the only truly inexperienced player, and some of the ratings have born made a ton of sense.
The suggestion HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical
And you seem overly helpful.
I am going to put some merit into the idea you are Way's partner.
I don't know what "some of the ratings have born made a ton of sense" means.
Spider said that it would be very suspicious for HP and Cat to not move their votes off of Spider. HP thereafter moved his vote from Spider (human) to Hermy (also human). My thought was that, as a wolf, it would make sense for HP to move off Spider so that Spider was not shot during the day while expressing that HP should know better as a human to be voting him. He wasn't losing anything as a wolf by moving from one human to another. HP then would still be motivated as a wolf to shoot Spider in the night because Spider was putting pressure on him by having high expectations of HP's human play. Obviously I now know that this is not why Spider died, but that was my thought process.
So, is your overall point there that you think Froggy can only be a wolf if I am also a wolf...?
Sorry, I somehow misremembered that Harry had voted Spider instead of cat in the first place - but my general thought process was still that HP may have acted to placate Spider with his vote and then shot Spider at night to not have to deal with that continual pressure.
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bradon182001 wrote:
"Likely" is a stronger point of confidence than "leaning," so I think only Waylander and froggy are the only possible living targets for him. It is possible that whoviandeb or Spider were targets of his. I Him targeting froggy on the second night and getting a wolf result would make some sense since froggy had immunity and thus would be a guaranteed useful result in the near future, and him starting the day with a froggy vote with a face also seems like he plausibly checked froggy in the night. This also may explain his human lean on me and desire to vote to save me, because I voted with him on froggy and was arguing with her.
HP did not mention Waylander until the third day and his stated reason for defending Waylander was based on the previous night. This could have been just a good excuse to give him a higher rating, but it makes me a little less certain that he knew froggy was a wolf based on the second night. Granted, HP didn't really have a reason to mention Waylander if he targeted Waylander first, because Waylander didn't get enough votes to be in danger on the second day.
Based on this I think froggy is the best lead I have.
Okay, now we know HP was the Seer, I think he must have divined Froggy and found her to be a wolf. At least she';s the only one he said was likely a wolf. Here is what he said in his Deb list:
people are a little on edge here, so i'll give my 'deb list'
bradon182001 - Not sure
bRIN - Not sure, hasn't participated enough
catmandon - leaning human
froggygg - likely wolf. My thoughts are along the lines of tikka, and there's a certain evasiveness to her posts..
HABS2933 - leaning human because I think she's a wolf, and I'm usually wrong about that
kzmonopoly - leaning human
snowmonster - leaning wolf since I always find it suspicious when someone consistently votes for humans
Sophie-Drake - Not sure, but I am thinking human
Tikka - leaning human. His suspicions list seems genuine and I agree with some of his assessments
Waylander - likely human. I don't think he would have eaten spid after the events of last round.
Changing my vote accordingly.
people are a little on edge here, so i'll give my 'deb list'
bradon182001 - Not sure
bRIN - Not sure, hasn't participated enough
catmandon - leaning human
froggygg - likely wolf. My thoughts are along the lines of tikka, and there's a certain evasiveness to her posts..
HABS2933 - leaning human because I think she's a wolf, and I'm usually wrong about that
kzmonopoly - leaning human
snowmonster - leaning wolf since I always find it suspicious when someone consistently votes for humans
Sophie-Drake - Not sure, but I am thinking human
Tikka - leaning human. His suspicions list seems genuine and I agree with some of his assessments
Waylander - likely human. I don't think he would have eaten spid after the events of last round.
Changing my vote accordingly.
"Likely" is a stronger point of confidence than "leaning," so I think only Waylander and froggy are the only possible living targets for him. It is possible that whoviandeb or Spider were targets of his. I Him targeting froggy on the second night and getting a wolf result would make some sense since froggy had immunity and thus would be a guaranteed useful result in the near future, and him starting the day with a froggy vote with a face also seems like he plausibly checked froggy in the night. This also may explain his human lean on me and desire to vote to save me, because I voted with him on froggy and was arguing with her.
HP did not mention Waylander until the third day and his stated reason for defending Waylander was based on the previous night. This could have been just a good excuse to give him a higher rating, but it makes me a little less certain that he knew froggy was a wolf based on the second night. Granted, HP didn't really have a reason to mention Waylander if he targeted Waylander first, because Waylander didn't get enough votes to be in danger on the second day.
Based on this I think froggy is the best lead I have.
froggygg wrote:
By the way, Tikka, I am a female. You can easily tell the gender of members by looking at the gender icon if they use one. Females dressed in pink and males dressed in blue.
Noted. Thanks for the tip.
froggygg wrote:
Bobbi, I understand your interpretation of HP's list, but if he had divined me as a wolf, then why did he take his vote off of me and put it on someone who also was in a tied majority with me? HP only had time to divine two people, so why take his vote off of a divined wolf? That really makes no sense.
My understanding is that there was a 2-way tie between Brin, Waylander, me, and you, with HP voting for you. He reluctantly moved from you to put Brin in a majority to save me (the person voting on you with him, and thus probably not also a wolf if you are) and Waylander (strongest human read and possible check of his). Makes sense to me, but I would appreciate the input of others.
froggygg wrote:
Besides, HP and I have been known to accuse each other for being wolves in other games. Add to that the experienced (and known winning wolves) players here and I really don't see why he would have chosen me to divine.
I think he may have checked you because you had night immunity.
froggygg wrote:
Also, HP suspected snowy due to her consistently voting for humans. HP himself voted for two humans in Brin and Herm.
It was a lesser stated suspicion and based on her voting for him in particular, which makes me almost positive he didn't know for a fact she was a wolf, if that was the point you were trying to make.
froggygg wrote:
I'm voting for Tikka due to his rudeness (criticizing methods of play/voting for a few players especially since he continues to comment that he is new to this game) together with Habs' observations made with reference to his being a new (inexperienced) player: "HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical And you seem overly helpful."
I am aware that I was overly harsh toward you and I did apologize. I'm not actually aware of who else, if anyone, I've been overly critical of - if I am making anyone uncomfortable please feel free to point this out and I'll take care not to repeat it. I would like to reiterate that I am new to the specifics of this game, but I have played similar games not on Braingle where there's no real concept of things like SPV and this game is way more friendly/casual in the early stages than I am used to. So for instance, from other games I know what the term "bussing" means but the mechanics of how the night phase and voting precisely works in this werewolf game has been harder to understand. I can tell by the fact that I have so many more votes on me than can be from wolves that I'm not integrating well to the game, but I am really trying to figure things out and explain my thoughts as well as I can.
I understand that my stances on the seer stuff are going to feed into the me/Waylander theory, but I think that at least one of Waylander (human) and froggy (wolf) are things that HP knew from being the seer. I've explained why to the best of my ability and would love to hear others' thoughts.
froggy's read on the game not changing at all based on knowing the seer is gone seems odd to me - she just seemed to discredit suspicion on herself.
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By the way, Tikka, I am a female. You can easily tell the gender of members by looking at the gender icon if they use one. Females dressed in pink and males dressed in blue.
Noted. Thanks for the tip.
froggygg wrote:
Bobbi, I understand your interpretation of HP's list, but if he had divined me as a wolf, then why did he take his vote off of me and put it on someone who also was in a tied majority with me? HP only had time to divine two people, so why take his vote off of a divined wolf? That really makes no sense.
My understanding is that there was a 2-way tie between Brin, Waylander, me, and you, with HP voting for you. He reluctantly moved from you to put Brin in a majority to save me (the person voting on you with him, and thus probably not also a wolf if you are) and Waylander (strongest human read and possible check of his). Makes sense to me, but I would appreciate the input of others.
froggygg wrote:
Besides, HP and I have been known to accuse each other for being wolves in other games. Add to that the experienced (and known winning wolves) players here and I really don't see why he would have chosen me to divine.
I think he may have checked you because you had night immunity.
froggygg wrote:
Also, HP suspected snowy due to her consistently voting for humans. HP himself voted for two humans in Brin and Herm.
It was a lesser stated suspicion and based on her voting for him in particular, which makes me almost positive he didn't know for a fact she was a wolf, if that was the point you were trying to make.
froggygg wrote:
I'm voting for Tikka due to his rudeness (criticizing methods of play/voting for a few players especially since he continues to comment that he is new to this game) together with Habs' observations made with reference to his being a new (inexperienced) player: "HP saved Spider just to eat him is not logical And you seem overly helpful."
I am aware that I was overly harsh toward you and I did apologize. I'm not actually aware of who else, if anyone, I've been overly critical of - if I am making anyone uncomfortable please feel free to point this out and I'll take care not to repeat it. I would like to reiterate that I am new to the specifics of this game, but I have played similar games not on Braingle where there's no real concept of things like SPV and this game is way more friendly/casual in the early stages than I am used to. So for instance, from other games I know what the term "bussing" means but the mechanics of how the night phase and voting precisely works in this werewolf game has been harder to understand. I can tell by the fact that I have so many more votes on me than can be from wolves that I'm not integrating well to the game, but I am really trying to figure things out and explain my thoughts as well as I can.
I understand that my stances on the seer stuff are going to feed into the me/Waylander theory, but I think that at least one of Waylander (human) and froggy (wolf) are things that HP knew from being the seer. I've explained why to the best of my ability and would love to hear others' thoughts.
froggy's read on the game not changing at all based on knowing the seer is gone seems odd to me - she just seemed to discredit suspicion on herself.
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Froggy - your posts aren't like your usual self and seem a bit angry and desperate
Voting Froggy.
I never make mitsakes
Voting Froggy.
I never make mitsakes
HP divined me 100% - switch off me chumps
I never make mitsakes
I never make mitsakes
I'll add a vote for froggy. People have just been joining the Tikka vote to add more time. Harry also said at the end of last round that he thinks way and tikka are likely human. I'm not sure if he did not divine froggy, but it seems a likely possibility.
I think froggy and habs might be a good bet. Habs was suspicious of Tikka solely because of inexperience. Also, she voted Way, somebody harry claimed was human. Cat might also be a wolf. His arguing with way seemed suspicious, and now way is semi cleared. Also, he was suspicious of Harry, somebody who was eaten.
I'm pretty sure way and tikka are human. Snow and bradon seem human too. Not sure about Sophie.
I think froggy, habs, and cat are likely wolves.
catmandon voted for Waylander
HABS2933 voted for Waylander
froggygg voted for Tikka
snowmonster voted for Tikka
Sophie-Drake voted for Tikka
kzmonopoly voted for froggygg
Tikka voted for froggygg
Waylander voted for froggygg
bradon182001 voted for froggygg
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Ooooooh! Nice!
I think froggy and habs might be a good bet. Habs was suspicious of Tikka solely because of inexperience. Also, she voted Way, somebody harry claimed was human. Cat might also be a wolf. His arguing with way seemed suspicious, and now way is semi cleared. Also, he was suspicious of Harry, somebody who was eaten.
I'm pretty sure way and tikka are human. Snow and bradon seem human too. Not sure about Sophie.
I think froggy, habs, and cat are likely wolves.
catmandon voted for Waylander
HABS2933 voted for Waylander
froggygg voted for Tikka
snowmonster voted for Tikka
Sophie-Drake voted for Tikka
kzmonopoly voted for froggygg
Tikka voted for froggygg
Waylander voted for froggygg
bradon182001 voted for froggygg
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Ooooooh! Nice!
just reread last round.
HP had a lot to say about froggy..
Will change my vote..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
HP had a lot to say about froggy..
Will change my vote..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
Froggy was a ...gulp... WOLF!!!
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