The Werewolf Game
Game #3367: Just a Normal Werewolf Game
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Yet another casualty was necessary for you to progress.
Col, the (relatively) new apprentice to the seasoned and hardened wwg clan members, was selected as a sacrifice to try to tip the balance towards good and not evil. However, that sacrifice was in vain as the forces of evil still stand untouched.
The wolves snuffed out Bradon, the nomadic wanderer who returned to the group to fulfill this noble journey. The lessons learned during her individual explorations were deemed too risky to allow.
Col was human .
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Yet another casualty was necessary for you to progress.
Col, the (relatively) new apprentice to the seasoned and hardened wwg clan members, was selected as a sacrifice to try to tip the balance towards good and not evil. However, that sacrifice was in vain as the forces of evil still stand untouched.
The wolves snuffed out Bradon, the nomadic wanderer who returned to the group to fulfill this noble journey. The lessons learned during her individual explorations were deemed too risky to allow.
Col was human .
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Vote for 4wheels.
Stewie's posts seem that 4wheels is a wolf...
I also feel that Colange is a wolf, but based from the previous round, it's easier to get wheels shot.
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Stewie's posts seem that 4wheels is a wolf...
I also feel that Colange is a wolf, but based from the previous round, it's easier to get wheels shot.
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Just to remind you, if we shoot a human this round, we're in Lylo.
And if we reach that part, I will have 2 options:
Vote as I have the chance.-If I don't, I most likely won't be able to vote.(I have school.)
Or not.-If I vote immediately, then the wolves can add more votes to my target to get them shot.
Just tell me which option you want me to do.
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And if we reach that part, I will have 2 options:
Vote as I have the chance.-If I don't, I most likely won't be able to vote.(I have school.)
Or not.-If I vote immediately, then the wolves can add more votes to my target to get them shot.
Just tell me which option you want me to do.
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Have some thoughts on the eating , will put everything together when get to the office.
Wheels is reasonable candidate still, but with colange being human, her round 2 actions are s little curious.
Bbs
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As I was saying with Wheels. The best piece of evidence I had for wheels being a wolf was her vote to put me in a majority in Round 2 after I had voted Colange. Her primary motivation for this would be if they were both wolves, but with Colange being human, it's a little harder to pin this down as a wolf move. It makes some sense as a sort of persistent defender move, but only if she her putting me in a majority was unintentional. If it was intentional, she just put a target on her back for no reason. 4wheels has been given plenty of opportunity to clarify her intent in Round 2 (by this point I take anything she says about that vote with a grain of salt since the cards are on the table).
The eating choice strikes me as something along the lines of a Celt move (whenever all of HP,Spid,Sky,Celt live into round 4 (especially with no seer), I start thinking it's intentional. I think it's possible Celt was setting himself up for justifying a vote on me if last Round swung against me. As I said, call it what you want, but I would have a tough time believing I would ever behave similarly (I think HP/etc are human but without a seer, sure I'll shoot him in Round 3 just cause). He's an option for now.
It's also curious the wolves didn't eat Jess, I mean there are 3 of them, there is no seer, no one stands out as a particularly good or bad eating (aside from maybe wheels). Could have voted for expedience, but it's surely just as likely she is a wolf.
Trying to process the end of last round, would like to hear from others and I think I can get better direction.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Wheels is reasonable candidate still, but with colange being human, her round 2 actions are s little curious.
Bbs
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As I was saying with Wheels. The best piece of evidence I had for wheels being a wolf was her vote to put me in a majority in Round 2 after I had voted Colange. Her primary motivation for this would be if they were both wolves, but with Colange being human, it's a little harder to pin this down as a wolf move. It makes some sense as a sort of persistent defender move, but only if she her putting me in a majority was unintentional. If it was intentional, she just put a target on her back for no reason. 4wheels has been given plenty of opportunity to clarify her intent in Round 2 (by this point I take anything she says about that vote with a grain of salt since the cards are on the table).
The eating choice strikes me as something along the lines of a Celt move (whenever all of HP,Spid,Sky,Celt live into round 4 (especially with no seer), I start thinking it's intentional. I think it's possible Celt was setting himself up for justifying a vote on me if last Round swung against me. As I said, call it what you want, but I would have a tough time believing I would ever behave similarly (I think HP/etc are human but without a seer, sure I'll shoot him in Round 3 just cause). He's an option for now.
It's also curious the wolves didn't eat Jess, I mean there are 3 of them, there is no seer, no one stands out as a particularly good or bad eating (aside from maybe wheels). Could have voted for expedience, but it's surely just as likely she is a wolf.
Trying to process the end of last round, would like to hear from others and I think I can get better direction.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I really don't think 4Wheels is a wolf, at least not under the idea of Stewie's posts. If Stewie had divined Wheels, I think he would've attempted to angle towards a Wheels majority, which shouldn't have aroused too much suspicion since that's a typical 4Wheels death round.
Can someone explain how/why Stewie couldn't have divined Jess in round 1 as was alluded to last round?
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
Can someone explain how/why Stewie couldn't have divined Jess in round 1 as was alluded to last round?
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
You can't divine the same person you vote to shoot. So he could not have divined Jess in round 1.
However, as I alluded to, if the wolves did not know that or the wolves lacked the diligence/foresite to check that, they still could have eaten Stewie under the assumption he may have divined Jess (we can assign that as however likely an event as we want).
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
However, as I alluded to, if the wolves did not know that or the wolves lacked the diligence/foresite to check that, they still could have eaten Stewie under the assumption he may have divined Jess (we can assign that as however likely an event as we want).
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm really sorry guys but I have an exceptionally heavy workload at the moment unexpectedly - so I haven't been able to devote much time or thought to the game.
The_Spider wrote:
Was the last part just an afterthought? Sounds like you are in the know that she is human.
Fun's slip up that colange might be a wolf is interesting, but then he might not have seen jem's post last round. But it sort of strikes me as a lazy sort of wolf statement where they aren't scrutinising the game as much as they would if they were human. Then again, he has seemed extremely human so far.
I think it's probably worth shooting 4wheels, the only time I can remember her questioning in game events was her last wolf game. I think I said I found her suspicious and she asked me why I thought she was suspicious. I remember is as I was surprised by the interaction. She sort of did the same with the majority comment.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
The_Spider wrote:
It's also curious the wolves didn't eat Jess, I mean there are 3 of them, there is no seer, no one stands out as a particularly good or bad eating (aside from maybe wheels). Could have voted for expedience, but it's surely just as likely she is a wolf.
Was the last part just an afterthought? Sounds like you are in the know that she is human.
Fun's slip up that colange might be a wolf is interesting, but then he might not have seen jem's post last round. But it sort of strikes me as a lazy sort of wolf statement where they aren't scrutinising the game as much as they would if they were human. Then again, he has seemed extremely human so far.
I think it's probably worth shooting 4wheels, the only time I can remember her questioning in game events was her last wolf game. I think I said I found her suspicious and she asked me why I thought she was suspicious. I remember is as I was surprised by the interaction. She sort of did the same with the majority comment.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
The purpose of my Jess commentary was to suggest Jess could be a wolf (as in I'd expect the wolves to have considered, at least, eating her) but every wolf pack is different. It was an implied accusation, probably worded a little too passively
I agree on Fun, wolves typically are well aware of who was shoot (though I wouldn't necessarily put it past Fun)
I agree on wheels as well, though I can't reconcile her round 2 (if her putting me in a majority was unintentional however, everything falls into place as a persistent defender move)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I agree on Fun, wolves typically are well aware of who was shoot (though I wouldn't necessarily put it past Fun)
I agree on wheels as well, though I can't reconcile her round 2 (if her putting me in a majority was unintentional however, everything falls into place as a persistent defender move)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Fun's posts strike me as odd but not as suspicious. There are mods who don't post during the night, so I don't blame him for checking it.
Going to work, will share thoughts later.
It's a disease, not a punch line
Going to work, will share thoughts later.
It's a disease, not a punch line
Still obviously a ton of time left for discussion, but as of now I am locking in a vote on Jess.
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
HP, what are your thoughts on Celt?
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
At work
Will check in later my phone is about to die
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I voted for spider before everyone else. People followed me. I don't know why I'm getting thrown under the bus. I will vote randomly for now
I'm on Braingle far too long, I stay on the computer from dusk to dawn. Playing games and chatting with friends, the novelity of it never ends.
I'm on Braingle far too long, I stay on the computer from dusk to dawn. Playing games and chatting with friends, the novelity of it never ends.
Relevant shapshot from Round 2,
You're either mistaken or lying
bradon182001 voted for debc1
celtichero voted for Funfor1
cutebunny4444 voted for whoviandeb
Funfor1 voted for The_Spider
HarryPutter voted for 4wheels
Jess-ey voted for bradon182001
Skybet voted for Colange
StewieGriffin voted for Jess-ey
The_Spider voted for Colange
whoviandeb voted for HarryPutter
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
You're either mistaken or lying
bradon182001 voted for debc1
celtichero voted for Funfor1
cutebunny4444 voted for whoviandeb
Funfor1 voted for The_Spider
HarryPutter voted for 4wheels
Jess-ey voted for bradon182001
Skybet voted for Colange
StewieGriffin voted for Jess-ey
The_Spider voted for Colange
whoviandeb voted for HarryPutter
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
For what it's worth, cross my heart and hope to die I am human.
Didn't expect a Bradon eating. She was the only one I felt certain was human.
For right now thinking Sky is leaning more towards a human.
Quickly skimmed Bradon's post and she commented twice her suspicions on Who and mentioned Deb. She thought Who was playing differently than normal, although she ended up voting for 4wheels last round without really stating why. For round 1 & 2 she voted deb.
Who is one of those players I hope to peg human early in the game since I think if she ever is a wolf she could be very good and make it far so the fact I'm unsure right now kinda sucks.
Holding off on voting, and I will read things more carefully when I come back.
Didn't expect a Bradon eating. She was the only one I felt certain was human.
For right now thinking Sky is leaning more towards a human.
Quickly skimmed Bradon's post and she commented twice her suspicions on Who and mentioned Deb. She thought Who was playing differently than normal, although she ended up voting for 4wheels last round without really stating why. For round 1 & 2 she voted deb.
Who is one of those players I hope to peg human early in the game since I think if she ever is a wolf she could be very good and make it far so the fact I'm unsure right now kinda sucks.
Holding off on voting, and I will read things more carefully when I come back.
I'll give my input soon, just catching up busy morning
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Is this game taking place in purgatory?
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm actually gonna switch off Jess. Reread the round and I don't understand why the wolves would've eaten Jess. She's one of the only people to have drawn any notable degree of suspicion this far.
The Spider-Wheels dynamic isn't unprecedented but I do thinks it's a bit curious how Spider is quasi-fixating on Wheels.
At this point I have to think at least one of the big 3 of HP, Sky, and Spider is playing for the other team here.
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
The Spider-Wheels dynamic isn't unprecedented but I do thinks it's a bit curious how Spider is quasi-fixating on Wheels.
At this point I have to think at least one of the big 3 of HP, Sky, and Spider is playing for the other team here.
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
This post rings false to me.
I'm not sure what else I can do at this point but continue to wait, though this is exceedingly boring. At some point I'll just have to take a best stab at it.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm not sure what else I can do at this point but continue to wait, though this is exceedingly boring. At some point I'll just have to take a best stab at it.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm actually gonna switch off Jess. Reread the round and I don't understand why the wolves would've eaten Jess. She's one of the only people to have drawn any notable degree of suspicion this far.
I'm not sure I get what you're saying... this is confusing me. So she's not suspicious to you?
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It's a disease, not a punch line
Yeah, I agree, this is a non sequitur
I was watching Celt to see what he did with his Jess vote. Although I despise the tactic, 'pinky swear' I'm human (especially from girls) tend to be earnest. The fact that Celt switched his vote is to his favor, but this post is troubling. I'm probably digging way to deep into this aspect, but I felt like he saw what I saw and knew most players were going to view Jess as human. He switched his vote to avoid future blowback, yet he does it in this indirect, mysterious way that still leaves the door open on Jess.
Harry's hourglass on "soon" is nearing an end and he is endangering himself of my spite vote. People are busy, but stallers still stall. There's a Shakespeare line I could dig up for this
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I was watching Celt to see what he did with his Jess vote. Although I despise the tactic, 'pinky swear' I'm human (especially from girls) tend to be earnest. The fact that Celt switched his vote is to his favor, but this post is troubling. I'm probably digging way to deep into this aspect, but I felt like he saw what I saw and knew most players were going to view Jess as human. He switched his vote to avoid future blowback, yet he does it in this indirect, mysterious way that still leaves the door open on Jess.
Harry's hourglass on "soon" is nearing an end and he is endangering himself of my spite vote. People are busy, but stallers still stall. There's a Shakespeare line I could dig up for this
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
It's not a non-sequitur. You posted earlier in the round you thought it was curious that the wolves didn't eat Jess. I'm providing potential rationale on why the wolves wouldn't eat Jess.
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
How does any of that follow/lead to "I'm taking my vote off Jess"
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Finally had a chance to catchup
I think celt is usually more careful as a wolf since he's not making full sense right now. He's more of the hesitant "I'm confused" wolf if I'm not mistaken. There's definitely some intrigue in the fact all of us are still alive.
I also don't think 4W is the type to straight up lie, she seems to have legitimately believed her vote was meaningless. But I think sky makes a good point about 4W's behavior as a wolf.
Right now I'm think 4W or fun's ID may give us the most information. Her reaction to fun's vote is also pretty interesting (calling it a bus), I could definitely see a 4W/fun pairing. Also the bobbi eating after voting for 4wheels, and mentioning fun and whov as players to watch could be more evidence of that. I get that there's a chance of a framejob in eatings when the seer is gone, but I see 4W and new player like fun as the types to be more reactive.
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I think celt is usually more careful as a wolf since he's not making full sense right now. He's more of the hesitant "I'm confused" wolf if I'm not mistaken. There's definitely some intrigue in the fact all of us are still alive.
I also don't think 4W is the type to straight up lie, she seems to have legitimately believed her vote was meaningless. But I think sky makes a good point about 4W's behavior as a wolf.
Right now I'm think 4W or fun's ID may give us the most information. Her reaction to fun's vote is also pretty interesting (calling it a bus), I could definitely see a 4W/fun pairing. Also the bobbi eating after voting for 4wheels, and mentioning fun and whov as players to watch could be more evidence of that. I get that there's a chance of a framejob in eatings when the seer is gone, but I see 4W and new player like fun as the types to be more reactive.
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I am voting 4wheels on balance after reading the round. I would echo Celt's sentiment though that I think there is something there with Putter and Spid. It's not at the fore just yet but it will be. I'm growing very worried that the wolves might get the clean sweep here. But I am semi confident of a 4wheels shot. Spid could be vindicated by her flipping wolf, however.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Although that confidence is now diminished after not seeing one iota of resistance to a 4wheels shot. But I'm at the c'est la vie stage. We can duke it out in must lynch.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Your insistence on "getting" me is why I am pretty confident you are human. Although language like 'echo sentiment' causes my first moment of hesitation there (my hypothesis is you are a little more structured/stiff and 'unnatural' in your language as a wolf). In fact it was precisely the phrase "echo x's sentiments" from last game that cemented the idea in my head. It could just be language you would use in either role, but I def made a note to myself to be on alert if I ever heard it again On balance I still view you as human.
Yes, from Round 3 of last game (Power Wolf)
Sky wrote
I echo Putter's sentiments in that with no seer around there's a real danger in eating someone who is suspicious of you. I would err on the side that Rove is very likely human - unless there are inexperienced wolf partners as the caveat.
I would suggest a candidate who is giving us little info really as a sensible choice this round in lieu of a better strategy. As mentioned Star could be a good shout, but I am always leery of players who garner a lot of interest. Will give it some thought this morning and review the game thus far.
I'll use this post to sum up my position on the game thus far.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Yes, from Round 3 of last game (Power Wolf)
Sky wrote
I echo Putter's sentiments in that with no seer around there's a real danger in eating someone who is suspicious of you. I would err on the side that Rove is very likely human - unless there are inexperienced wolf partners as the caveat.
I would suggest a candidate who is giving us little info really as a sensible choice this round in lieu of a better strategy. As mentioned Star could be a good shout, but I am always leery of players who garner a lot of interest. Will give it some thought this morning and review the game thus far.
I'll use this post to sum up my position on the game thus far.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Well perhaps we can put your hypothesis under examination next round
I'm not going to beat around the bush. Your last wolf game stung. I don't think I'm going to shake that off for a while. I know my judgement shouldn't be clouded for posterity, but when I feel ripples from that game I won't overlook them.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I'm not going to beat around the bush. Your last wolf game stung. I don't think I'm going to shake that off for a while. I know my judgement shouldn't be clouded for posterity, but when I feel ripples from that game I won't overlook them.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
This is gonna be long, it IS what it IS
Round 1 - I don't think anything of real note happens here.
Snow Eating This has been brought up, I only sort of alluded to the idea early in Day 2 (that it was a little lame to eat Snow just after she modded), and this idea took far more footing than i think is warranted. A few people acted like this sort of an unwritten rule that every regular knows and abides, but in my experience it really isn't. That being said, I think there are people that would avoid eating Snow in round 1 (HP I think, Bradon but she's dead), but that only goes so far as one wolf only has so much power at night.
Round 2
Fun proposes the seer idea. FWIW we tried something like this years back and it lasted like maybe a game and a half. This struck me as human, and I think it still does. I think Hooves said, Fun is kind of a Rove disciple so I can see where she is coming from thinking this would be some kind of ploy, but I'm not sure I agree. This can be easily viewed/misjudged as a wolf trying to get the seer to out themselves, so Fun was chancing taking a ton of heat for it.
I put Colange into a majority 2-1-1......., Wheels shortly after post
I will spv for now I don't know why there are two votes on cologne
while putting a 2nd vote on me, she mistakenly believes this is the first vote on me. I agree with Harry, wheels wouldn't outright lie about this, but this is a little suspicious because it then becomes a textbook 'persistent defender' play (Colange is human). It's even on the low key, passive variety that I might expect from wolf wheels.
The remainder of the round is bouncing around votes between Spid, Colange, and Bunny.
Stew Eating
This to me is just pure luck. I mean maybe you could make the argument it had to do with Jess (but I think Jess is human), and some chance it had to do with his comment about wheels (but that is a little bit of a stretch imo)
Round 3
Wheels uses the face (although intended to use the :sad: face) this would be a little hokie for most players, but I could see wheels doing this genuinely.
Sky comes after me a bit, as just said, I view this as very convincingly human from Sky. His last post sort of sums it up and how I have been thinking of it to myself, he's still trying to win that game. Sky is a good enough wolf to imagine up and fake this demeanor, but it strongly sells human to me. As also just noted, the only pause I have on Sky is he used the exact phrase I was on the lookout for (echoing sentiments) so now I have to mull what I thought I was convinced of.
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I think it's easier to just frame my thought person by person. This is more for me than for the discussion, going through this crystalizes ideas in my head
HP
With HP, I look for a relaxed almost goofy demeanor for human signals. I saw that early, although not to a major or extremely convincing degree. His votes have been reasonable. I'm not quite sure what he was thinking with the switch off of Wheels, but I'll take it at face value for now. It does concern me that he, as busy as he may be, he attempted a stall earlier this round, however, his post was reasonable. I have two concerns about HP, the players still living/not eaten (Sky/Spid/Celt), and his offhand comment about Celt not making total sense. Although I do agree with this in a sense, it feels somehow miscalibrated, just sort of thrown in to capitalize on my expectations without having conviction of it himself. I doubt I would vote HP this round, I still view him more human than not, but doubt is starting to creep in.
Sky
Case already laid out above, his 'vendetta' against me is a strong human signal (or a truly inspired wolf strategy) but why did you have to use the exact phrase I was worried about
Jess
Honestly, I'm pretty much throwing all my chips down on Jessey crossing her heart swear she is human. I don't think I can break down her posts very much. They sound just reasonable enough to be wolfy, but also could just be dry, middle of the road human analysis. I take "swears" at face value until proven otherwise (then I give them no weight).
Wheels
I agree with what Sky said, wheels is more engaged in this game than typical (which is funny, given she hasn't said that much) It could be a false positive, but it is a good wolf signal. Her comment in round 2 rings strongly of persistent defender. If she is human, next round will be fierce and ugly. If she is a wolf, theres some footprints to look at.
Celt
Not really sure where I stand on C, he has a lot of minor incongruities that concern me, but it could be I'm just looking to hard for them. If Wheels is a wolf, I think Celt would have bussed her last round fwiw. Also note, when there is an inactive, Celt has been known to be ruthless with letting nights time out, so the long N3 could point to Celt.
Hooves
Really don't know. Seems to be very reactive this game with her posts being small in scope. What I mean is she will ask discreet questions about minor things, or respond to specific questions, but I don't have an overall sense of what her views are. Light human vibes, but remains to be seen.
Fun
I guess everything hinges on his seer ploy which I discussed above. I think human, but I don't have a firm grasp of how Fun plays
Deb
Waiting for a post this round, general human vibe, but she hasn't said all that much
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Round 1 - I don't think anything of real note happens here.
Snow Eating This has been brought up, I only sort of alluded to the idea early in Day 2 (that it was a little lame to eat Snow just after she modded), and this idea took far more footing than i think is warranted. A few people acted like this sort of an unwritten rule that every regular knows and abides, but in my experience it really isn't. That being said, I think there are people that would avoid eating Snow in round 1 (HP I think, Bradon but she's dead), but that only goes so far as one wolf only has so much power at night.
Round 2
Fun proposes the seer idea. FWIW we tried something like this years back and it lasted like maybe a game and a half. This struck me as human, and I think it still does. I think Hooves said, Fun is kind of a Rove disciple so I can see where she is coming from thinking this would be some kind of ploy, but I'm not sure I agree. This can be easily viewed/misjudged as a wolf trying to get the seer to out themselves, so Fun was chancing taking a ton of heat for it.
I put Colange into a majority 2-1-1......., Wheels shortly after post
I will spv for now I don't know why there are two votes on cologne
while putting a 2nd vote on me, she mistakenly believes this is the first vote on me. I agree with Harry, wheels wouldn't outright lie about this, but this is a little suspicious because it then becomes a textbook 'persistent defender' play (Colange is human). It's even on the low key, passive variety that I might expect from wolf wheels.
The remainder of the round is bouncing around votes between Spid, Colange, and Bunny.
Stew Eating
This to me is just pure luck. I mean maybe you could make the argument it had to do with Jess (but I think Jess is human), and some chance it had to do with his comment about wheels (but that is a little bit of a stretch imo)
Round 3
Wheels uses the face (although intended to use the :sad: face) this would be a little hokie for most players, but I could see wheels doing this genuinely.
Sky comes after me a bit, as just said, I view this as very convincingly human from Sky. His last post sort of sums it up and how I have been thinking of it to myself, he's still trying to win that game. Sky is a good enough wolf to imagine up and fake this demeanor, but it strongly sells human to me. As also just noted, the only pause I have on Sky is he used the exact phrase I was on the lookout for (echoing sentiments) so now I have to mull what I thought I was convinced of.
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I think it's easier to just frame my thought person by person. This is more for me than for the discussion, going through this crystalizes ideas in my head
HP
With HP, I look for a relaxed almost goofy demeanor for human signals. I saw that early, although not to a major or extremely convincing degree. His votes have been reasonable. I'm not quite sure what he was thinking with the switch off of Wheels, but I'll take it at face value for now. It does concern me that he, as busy as he may be, he attempted a stall earlier this round, however, his post was reasonable. I have two concerns about HP, the players still living/not eaten (Sky/Spid/Celt), and his offhand comment about Celt not making total sense. Although I do agree with this in a sense, it feels somehow miscalibrated, just sort of thrown in to capitalize on my expectations without having conviction of it himself. I doubt I would vote HP this round, I still view him more human than not, but doubt is starting to creep in.
Sky
Case already laid out above, his 'vendetta' against me is a strong human signal (or a truly inspired wolf strategy) but why did you have to use the exact phrase I was worried about
Jess
Honestly, I'm pretty much throwing all my chips down on Jessey crossing her heart swear she is human. I don't think I can break down her posts very much. They sound just reasonable enough to be wolfy, but also could just be dry, middle of the road human analysis. I take "swears" at face value until proven otherwise (then I give them no weight).
Wheels
I agree with what Sky said, wheels is more engaged in this game than typical (which is funny, given she hasn't said that much) It could be a false positive, but it is a good wolf signal. Her comment in round 2 rings strongly of persistent defender. If she is human, next round will be fierce and ugly. If she is a wolf, theres some footprints to look at.
Celt
Not really sure where I stand on C, he has a lot of minor incongruities that concern me, but it could be I'm just looking to hard for them. If Wheels is a wolf, I think Celt would have bussed her last round fwiw. Also note, when there is an inactive, Celt has been known to be ruthless with letting nights time out, so the long N3 could point to Celt.
Hooves
Really don't know. Seems to be very reactive this game with her posts being small in scope. What I mean is she will ask discreet questions about minor things, or respond to specific questions, but I don't have an overall sense of what her views are. Light human vibes, but remains to be seen.
Fun
I guess everything hinges on his seer ploy which I discussed above. I think human, but I don't have a firm grasp of how Fun plays
Deb
Waiting for a post this round, general human vibe, but she hasn't said all that much
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm still not sure I buy the whole shrugging off my suspicions as amusing as though it can't be accurate. However I do think that given the "echoes" of what I have said previously as a wolf you probably would be going after me much more aggressively than this. So that's working in your favour at least. I couldn't be more ambivalent.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I don't think suspicion of me is groundless, but I do think suspicion of me for being "passive" in Round 2 was. I antoganized atleast 4 people. I feel like you were determined to find me suspicious so were going out of your way to pigeonhole me into your wolf template of me (which is also the reason I put you as human, and noted 'can articulate if needed')
I'll step out for a bit to avoid clogging the thread too much
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'll step out for a bit to avoid clogging the thread too much
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I hadn't read the whole round when I posted. I skimmed and that post in isolation gave me a "yikes" feeling for the reasons cited.
Ditto. In bed now, will catch up tomorrow.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Ditto. In bed now, will catch up tomorrow.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Sorry I'm a dry human
Placed my vote on 4wheels. If she's not shot now she'd be top suspect for me next round so might as well clear her ID. Hope we aren't having a case where the wolves left her alive because they know we find her suspicious.
Maybe I can check in 1 more time before round ends.
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It takes 5 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
4wheels voted for Skybet
celtichero voted for Funfor1
Funfor1 voted for 4wheels
Jess-ey voted for 4wheels
Skybet voted for 4wheels
Placed my vote on 4wheels. If she's not shot now she'd be top suspect for me next round so might as well clear her ID. Hope we aren't having a case where the wolves left her alive because they know we find her suspicious.
Maybe I can check in 1 more time before round ends.
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It takes 5 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
4wheels voted for Skybet
celtichero voted for Funfor1
Funfor1 voted for 4wheels
Jess-ey voted for 4wheels
Skybet voted for 4wheels
Don't end the round , Deb might be hiding
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I am not hiding just getting sidetracked a lot
I don't know what 4 is but you were the one to ask her to get more involved, now that she is somewhat more talkative your dissecting each word she says. Is the only reason y'all are suspecting her is because stew said something about her?
Why didn't sky vote last round?
Does Jess outright lie in games? I don't remember, but stew voting for her in both rounds really doesn't mean a lot.
Dan- you are off this game, or something about you is off, can't put my finger on it
Celt/Harry-I don't know
Fun I think is more human than not
I think I would rather go with a Celt/Harry/sky/dan vote than a 4 vote
Oh and who- not seeing the same thing as you dan
Convince me otherwise
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I don't know what 4 is but you were the one to ask her to get more involved, now that she is somewhat more talkative your dissecting each word she says. Is the only reason y'all are suspecting her is because stew said something about her?
Why didn't sky vote last round?
Does Jess outright lie in games? I don't remember, but stew voting for her in both rounds really doesn't mean a lot.
Dan- you are off this game, or something about you is off, can't put my finger on it
Celt/Harry-I don't know
Fun I think is more human than not
I think I would rather go with a Celt/Harry/sky/dan vote than a 4 vote
Oh and who- not seeing the same thing as you dan
Convince me otherwise
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I'm at trivia so phone use is , by rule, limited, I've outlined 4wheels as nauseum,
Will be back later
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Will be back later
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I think 4wheels is our best shot but we have 7 hours left in the round and several key players haven't voted yet. I think the only other player I'd consider at this point is celt.
It's a disease, not a punch line
It's a disease, not a punch line
There's nothing to really gain by ending the round here early. Want to see what the plan is here for the 4 non-voters here.
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
Voting my #2 suspect fun for now since I dont want the round to end early
4wheels voted for Skybet
celtichero voted for Funfor1
Funfor1 voted for 4wheels
HarryPutter voted for Funfor1
Jess-ey voted for 4wheels
Skybet voted for 4wheels
Totals
4wheels : 3
Funfor1 : 2
Non-voters/Inactives: debc1, The_Spider, whoviandeb
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4wheels voted for Skybet
celtichero voted for Funfor1
Funfor1 voted for 4wheels
HarryPutter voted for Funfor1
Jess-ey voted for 4wheels
Skybet voted for 4wheels
Totals
4wheels : 3
Funfor1 : 2
Non-voters/Inactives: debc1, The_Spider, whoviandeb
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2nd place , will wrap up with a final vote when home
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
4 or fun
Ick
I will go with Celt
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Ick
I will go with Celt
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At work
Will check in later my phone is about to die
Edit
I hit submit on my phone and it posted this again
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Will check in later my phone is about to die
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I feel like there is a lot of avoidance of wheels shooting. I'm not saying wolves are protecting her, I'm worried wolves are avoiding taking the wrap for shooting her. HP's switch last round was interesting, but I'd think he is savvy enough to know obvious moves like that get detected pretty easily. However, HP has gotten away with saying very little this game (he's not really alone in that).
I do fear wheels' unpredictability/unreliability in must lynch if I take a gamble on fun and lose (or anyone else for that matter). Although Fun also presents risk as he admits.
I'm sure Jess is human, I remain fairly confident Sky is human, I am marginally comfortable calling Deb human, but there has just not been enough to go on this game.
I could cast a vanity vote for some random player (I'm almost tempted to go HP here) but that serves no purpose and it's clear the choice must be between wheels/fun/Celt.
Will mull for no more than 5-10 and cast my vote
It's annoying this still needs to be said, but if no wolves are shot, Round 5 is must lynch, act accordingly (and certainly don't vote before this rounds' kill ID is in).
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I do fear wheels' unpredictability/unreliability in must lynch if I take a gamble on fun and lose (or anyone else for that matter). Although Fun also presents risk as he admits.
I'm sure Jess is human, I remain fairly confident Sky is human, I am marginally comfortable calling Deb human, but there has just not been enough to go on this game.
I could cast a vanity vote for some random player (I'm almost tempted to go HP here) but that serves no purpose and it's clear the choice must be between wheels/fun/Celt.
Will mull for no more than 5-10 and cast my vote
It's annoying this still needs to be said, but if no wolves are shot, Round 5 is must lynch, act accordingly (and certainly don't vote before this rounds' kill ID is in).
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Will check 4wheels wolf record for Snow eatings, if I find reasonable number of incidents, will vote there, if not....not sure..
Ok so looked through the database (went back about 10 wolf games or so) Wheels hadn't had the opportunity to eat snow that much, but when she did she really didn't seem especially inclined to target her. On the other hand, she votes to eat Hooves A LOT (at least recently) several games where she is 1st choice in the first round, and if Hooves survives, 1st choice in the 2nd round. She is scattered as 2nd vote here or there (if my recollection serves me as didn't write notes down or anything). If Wheels is wolf, and Hooves is human, I would expect Hooves to be eaten by now (especially if Wheels alphabetical position takes dominance). If Wheels is a wolf, we have to consider Hooves in this light. The other possibility is to not shoot Wheels over it, but that might be a little bit of a stretch
I have to make a choice, as I ultimately don't trust wheels in must lynch, I will vote her and hope for the best. Deb, when I ask someone to contribute more, and they don't for 5 games or so, I don't suddenly drop my guard when on game 6 they contribute more, that would be naive. Sky's confidence about wheels has the air of a false bravado, but nothing is a lock in wwg. I think we are careening towards the L, but I can't stall indefinitely. I would hope we can all be responsible in handling next round if wheels is human. I think HP/Celt is possible, I also think Hooves is not nearly as in the clear as Deb thinks.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Ok so looked through the database (went back about 10 wolf games or so) Wheels hadn't had the opportunity to eat snow that much, but when she did she really didn't seem especially inclined to target her. On the other hand, she votes to eat Hooves A LOT (at least recently) several games where she is 1st choice in the first round, and if Hooves survives, 1st choice in the 2nd round. She is scattered as 2nd vote here or there (if my recollection serves me as didn't write notes down or anything). If Wheels is wolf, and Hooves is human, I would expect Hooves to be eaten by now (especially if Wheels alphabetical position takes dominance). If Wheels is a wolf, we have to consider Hooves in this light. The other possibility is to not shoot Wheels over it, but that might be a little bit of a stretch
I have to make a choice, as I ultimately don't trust wheels in must lynch, I will vote her and hope for the best. Deb, when I ask someone to contribute more, and they don't for 5 games or so, I don't suddenly drop my guard when on game 6 they contribute more, that would be naive. Sky's confidence about wheels has the air of a false bravado, but nothing is a lock in wwg. I think we are careening towards the L, but I can't stall indefinitely. I would hope we can all be responsible in handling next round if wheels is human. I think HP/Celt is possible, I also think Hooves is not nearly as in the clear as Deb thinks.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Actually, Wheels votes to eat me quite a bit too.... ..... I realize how this could come off....but now I gotta wonder if me being alive exonerates Wheels.
I don't think my vote is really needed to kill Wheels, I'm tempted to change, but she is still a must lynch liability. I'll vote Celt, only because I think Wheels is doomed regardless and there is still some work to be done for the night owls/non Americans
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I don't think my vote is really needed to kill Wheels, I'm tempted to change, but she is still a must lynch liability. I'll vote Celt, only because I think Wheels is doomed regardless and there is still some work to be done for the night owls/non Americans
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Post from whoviandeb deleted on 2020-02-13 23:24:06.
I deleted the last post because Spider's post made it a moot point.
If Spider is going to hold off the final vote, I'll cast mine, because I'm going to bed.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
If Spider is going to hold off the final vote, I'll cast mine, because I'm going to bed.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
Spider's switch is forcing my hand here a bit.
The eatings so far haven't been necessarily random, but they have been pretty disparate. There hasn't been an abundance of ruffled feathers.
I feel like there's a wolf in the Spider/Harry/Sky group with Sky being less suspicious than the other two. I think there's a wolf in the 4Wheels/Fun/Jess group, with Jess being as of now the least suspicious.
Deb and Whov are the two true wild cards who have been playing extremely lowkey and not gathering suspicion or doing anything obviously human.
I still really don't know what to make of Spider. He could be really aggressively bussing 4Wheels, but given his feeling towards her in previous games, he's almost bound to be against her.
Well, I see Whov switched onto Wheels as I was typing this, so I'm going to take a risk and hold firm for now. If I see someone switch to me I'm jumping onto Wheels, but I don't think we need to curb the discussion early.
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"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
The eatings so far haven't been necessarily random, but they have been pretty disparate. There hasn't been an abundance of ruffled feathers.
I feel like there's a wolf in the Spider/Harry/Sky group with Sky being less suspicious than the other two. I think there's a wolf in the 4Wheels/Fun/Jess group, with Jess being as of now the least suspicious.
Deb and Whov are the two true wild cards who have been playing extremely lowkey and not gathering suspicion or doing anything obviously human.
I still really don't know what to make of Spider. He could be really aggressively bussing 4Wheels, but given his feeling towards her in previous games, he's almost bound to be against her.
Well, I see Whov switched onto Wheels as I was typing this, so I'm going to take a risk and hold firm for now. If I see someone switch to me I'm jumping onto Wheels, but I don't think we need to curb the discussion early.
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"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
debc1 wrote:
I guess we'll find out
Starting to think that Whov may be a wolf regardless if 4wheels is a wolf or not. Feeling Sky, Spid, Deb, and Fun as humans. Moreso Sky and Deb tbh. That leaves Celt and Harry. As always, I don't know how to read Harry. I'm still inching towards Celt being a wolf. Next round I'd be tossing it up between Celt and Whov depending on who is eaten.
Going to leave my vote as is.
Happy Valentine's Day everyone.
Does Jess outright lie in games?
I guess we'll find out
Starting to think that Whov may be a wolf regardless if 4wheels is a wolf or not. Feeling Sky, Spid, Deb, and Fun as humans. Moreso Sky and Deb tbh. That leaves Celt and Harry. As always, I don't know how to read Harry. I'm still inching towards Celt being a wolf. Next round I'd be tossing it up between Celt and Whov depending on who is eaten.
Going to leave my vote as is.
Happy Valentine's Day everyone.
Just gonna go ahead and end the round
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This time the attention fell onto 4wheels, a meek, quieter lady in your group. After your took your shot, she howled out hexes, curses and other unworldly powers upon you. Something that any self respecting hero would never do!
Hey, look at that. You bagged yourself a villain.
4Wheels was a wolf.
I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
Hey, look at that. You bagged yourself a villain.
4Wheels was a wolf.
I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
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