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Lucky Cards

Probability puzzles require you to weigh all the possibilities and pick the most likely outcome.

 

Puzzle ID:#32515
Fun:*** (2.68)
Difficulty:*** (2.36)
Category:Probability
Submitted By:Gizzer*
Corrected By:Radioguy

 

 

 



After an intense week of play-downs, the National Draw Poker Championship has come down to the final hand between two fierce competitors: Tex Holden, the defending champion; and Rae Sonheim, the unknown of the tournament, who has amazed the spectators with her cool bluffs. In what is the first of a number of amazing coincidences of the night, both players have an equal stake.

Although Tex kept his poker face intact, his excitement mounted as he examined each card he was dealt. The first card he received was his lucky card, the King of Clubs, which he considered a very good omen. Perhaps it was, as each of the next four cards were of the same value as each other, giving Tex one of the best possible hands: four of a kind.

Meanwhile, across the table, Rae waited until all the cards were dealt before looking at her cards. She, too, was pleasantly surprised as she had received four of a kind as well, along with the Queen of Spades, which is her lucky card.

Each player, believing he or she had an unbeatable hand, prepared to end the tournament then and there with a careful strategy designed to win all the chips.

After many rounds of raises and counter-raises, at long last, all the chips were riding on this one hand. The better hand would take the pot, and the trophy.

Tex, having had his last raise called, gleefully displayed his hand first. All eyes turned to Rae, but, as usual her face showed no emotion.

Before the outcome is revealed, can you determine the probability that Tex has retained his title?




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Comments

blondebookwormAus*
Aug 21, 2006

nice job. you put a TON of work into that one.
flub92*us*
Aug 26, 2006

I enjoyed that one, keep up the good work.
pistons_32_rip*us*
Aug 26, 2006

awesome job ppl can tell you thought that one out
jsdodgersAus**
Sep 13, 2006

why cant there be a four of a kind with the kings or queens?
Gizzer*
Sep 14, 2006

Tex has 4 of a kind PLUS a King. Rae has four of a kind PLUS a Queen. Neither can have 4 Kings or 4 Queens.
jsdodgersAus**
Sep 15, 2006

OH, but still in texas holdem there are five cards in the middle and each person has two cards. If one card from each person is not included, than that is only 7 cards in all left not counting the king and queen but two different pairs of four would need 8 cards and only 7 are left.
Gizzer*
Sep 16, 2006

This is DRAW poker, not Texas Holdem.
jsdodgersAus**
Sep 16, 2006

his name makes it seem like it is texas holdem
Gizzer*
Sep 16, 2006

What else can I say? That's just his name. He is playing in the National Draw Poker Championship.
unstumped*ca
Nov 28, 2006

i KNOW I'M LATE ON THIS BUT;
THE ODDS ARE 50/50
He either drew a higher 4 or didn't.
sumit
Mar 09, 2007

nice question - it was not that difficult as it appeared in the beginnning - long questions always seem s to be tough.
Jimbo*au*
Mar 24, 2007

As with many probabilty questions, the answer when calculated suggests a simpler explanation. Since they both have four of a kind, the winner will be the one that has the larger 4oak. Now since they are both equally likely to have been dealt any of the hands it comes down to a 50/50 chance for either of them to have either a larger 4 oak or a smaller 4 oak. Therefore 0.5. Amazinigly simple after the pieces of the puzzle have been fitted together. Thanks for that one!
Eshootzi_scrs
Apr 24, 2007

Just read this now but thought the same. It was 50 /50 from the beginning . The second time through though I noticed it said Rae had been dealt four of a kind with the Q of spades it didnt say in addition to, so it could have been one of the quads.
tpg76us*
Apr 28, 2008

Nice teaser - and fun writeup!
But in my opinion (only), whereas it was obvious that Tex did not have four Kings (the next four cards were all the same), it was not obvious that Rae didn't have four Queens ("4 of a kind along with the Q-of-spades"). This would have made the teaser harder, and in fact, makes it much more likely that Rae has won. If the interpretation (as you've said) is that she does NOT have 4 queens, then of course each player's fifth card is irrelevant and it is a toss-up (as it turned out). So maybe it could be clearer that Rae's face card, too, is her odd card.

Thanks.
javaguru*us*
Dec 14, 2008

So much irrelevant information. Try this one: Tex has a hand he thinks is good; Rae has a hand she thinks is good--who wins? The 50/50 answer was so obvious that I reread the problem figuring I must have missed something. The explanation and calculation is laborious when the answer is: we have no relevant information regarding the relative strength of the two hands, so the probabiltiy is 50/50.
Zag24Aus*
Jan 24, 2009

By the description, it wasn't clear that the challenger couldn't have 4 queens. It just said that she had 4 of a kind, and that she had the queen of spades. I assumed that was the trick, making her a favorite. That problem is actually very tricky to figure out, since her remaining four cards could either by three queens and any one other card, or 4 of another rank.

If you're assuming that neither player can have quad kinds or queens, then all the analysis is silly. The problem is clearly symetrical -- both players have quads drawn from the same list, with no advantage to either. You don't have to do the complex calculation.
opqpop
Sep 24, 2010

The answer is obviously 1/2. You don't need any calculations to see this if you just notice the symmetry.



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