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Game #3455: Werewolf Game - School's Out
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Administration has expelled Slayer117 for hacking into school computers in an unsuccessful attempt to change his grade.
He was not the seer.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
He was not the seer.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Eating strikes me as a little funny. Not complaining, just odd not to pick Andrea
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
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The_Spider wrote:
If 1part is a wolf, maybe it was to avoid framing 1part
It is generous to eat an inactive after a wolf shot though
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Eating strikes me as a little funny. Not complaining, just odd not to pick Andrea
If 1part is a wolf, maybe it was to avoid framing 1part
It is generous to eat an inactive after a wolf shot though
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Another thing that can explain it is that the game magically chose the seer to be eaten cause that always happens when a wolf is shot first round
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I thought, at the time, misc vote for Andrea seemed a curious. Though in a vacuum without a wolf ID considered it unlikely to mean anything. Nothing wrong with an Andrea vote in and of itself, just something about the specific wording 'the inactive' iirc I found sneaky.
Nothing major, but only real starting point for me.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Nothing major, but only real starting point for me.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Well mixed up misc timeline to some extent, switched to plague then to Andrea as 'the chosen one' not much conviction in misc anymore, but will leave as a mere spv just for status quo
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The_Spider wrote:
To be fair, I think you were thinking of my post where I went to make andrea a majority, but then realized she was already in one and started a second majority on plaguecat. And then later on switched to andrea once she was in a growing majority. So I can see how that was confusing.
Spv btw.
Edit: Ok just saw whov's identity post last round. That's seriously like the 3rd or 4th time I've played a game where the first new-player inactive voted off is a wolf. I've played less than 20 games so that's almost 20% of my games and probably a significantly higher percentage of games featuring newbies.
I'd be interested to see how the randomizer picks roles...
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Well mixed up misc timeline to some extent, switched to plague then to Andrea as 'the chosen one' not much conviction in misc anymore, but will leave as a mere spv just for status quo
To be fair, I think you were thinking of my post where I went to make andrea a majority, but then realized she was already in one and started a second majority on plaguecat. And then later on switched to andrea once she was in a growing majority. So I can see how that was confusing.
Spv btw.
Edit: Ok just saw whov's identity post last round. That's seriously like the 3rd or 4th time I've played a game where the first new-player inactive voted off is a wolf. I've played less than 20 games so that's almost 20% of my games and probably a significantly higher percentage of games featuring newbies.
I'd be interested to see how the randomizer picks roles...
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If it's really random then there should be weird things that happen like that; otherwise it's sort of sudo-random (which is randomness that removes the coincidental options iirc)
I'm switching to Colange
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I'm switching to Colange
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With the fast night we can pretty much clear the other inactives. So should we leave them in and wolf hunt, or should we shoot them anyway?
The Slayer eating over andrea could either be wolves protecting 1part, or wolves trying to reverse-psychologically accuse 1part, or just a plain eating with no motive. I'm not reading anything into that atm.
It is interesting that the wolves chose to eat inactives vs go on a seer hunt. I always feel like that points to players who like a competition, which usually makes me think one of the guys is involved.
The Slayer eating over andrea could either be wolves protecting 1part, or wolves trying to reverse-psychologically accuse 1part, or just a plain eating with no motive. I'm not reading anything into that atm.
It is interesting that the wolves chose to eat inactives vs go on a seer hunt. I always feel like that points to players who like a competition, which usually makes me think one of the guys is involved.
Misc wrote:
Well we did already shoot a wolf and the wolves did have the courtesy of eating an inactive (not to mention they could become a liability later), so I wouldn't mind shooting one
Misc wrote:
Obligatory "nigh impossible to seer hunt round one" comment :3
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With the fast night we can pretty much clear the other inactives. So should we leave them in and wolf hunt, or should we shoot them anyway?
Well we did already shoot a wolf and the wolves did have the courtesy of eating an inactive (not to mention they could become a liability later), so I wouldn't mind shooting one
Misc wrote:
It is interesting that the wolves chose to eat inactives vs go on a seer hunt. I always feel like that points to players who like a competition, which usually makes me think one of the guys is involved.
Obligatory "nigh impossible to seer hunt round one" comment :3
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Rove_Tarts wrote:
While true, for me it's kind of like a gambling risk. You know certain people didn't vote, so even if they are the seer, they didn't get a div that round. Makes a lot more sense to go with eating someone more likely to target you if they are the seer than to take out a non-threat. Seems a better bet.
Obligatory "nigh impossible to seer hunt round one" comment :3
While true, for me it's kind of like a gambling risk. You know certain people didn't vote, so even if they are the seer, they didn't get a div that round. Makes a lot more sense to go with eating someone more likely to target you if they are the seer than to take out a non-threat. Seems a better bet.
Eating was charitable enough all things considered.
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"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
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"I need to be myself. I can't be no one else." - Noel Gallagher
The short night took me by surprise. I was expecting a full-term one. Are we inactive free now?
I didn't make too much of last round. Lots of joviality. Nothing particularly stuck out to me, though. I'd probably say rove and Spid read human so far.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I didn't make too much of last round. Lots of joviality. Nothing particularly stuck out to me, though. I'd probably say rove and Spid read human so far.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Oh of course there's Andrea still.
I think we could do some analysis on the plague voters, since they flipped wolf. I'm always sceptical on this type of vote particularly when the majority comes later than another inactive. It strikes me a bit as "hey look at me, I'm definitely human, I started this competing majority on a wolf". Whereas bussing an inactive round one is precisely what a wolf would do. If anything I would consider the Andrea voters likely human and look at the plague voters more dubiously.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I think we could do some analysis on the plague voters, since they flipped wolf. I'm always sceptical on this type of vote particularly when the majority comes later than another inactive. It strikes me a bit as "hey look at me, I'm definitely human, I started this competing majority on a wolf". Whereas bussing an inactive round one is precisely what a wolf would do. If anything I would consider the Andrea voters likely human and look at the plague voters more dubiously.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
inactives are still dead weight...especially to us, the humans. although fast nights indicate they are not wolves...it doesn't mean they are not the seer. Wolves should have drawn out the night a bit.
SPV for now. Someone with no votes. I'm off to work.
SPV for now. Someone with no votes. I'm off to work.
Pleased to see an inactive taken out, helpful for the game. Personally I would be happy to take out Andrea even though they're cleared to set up a better remainder, especially given we've already lucked out on one wolf, but I appreciate from past experience others probably won't agree with me here.
As sky was saying a wolf may be very quick to jump on a long term inactive partner so credit given to the cat voters is relatively small
As sky was saying a wolf may be very quick to jump on a long term inactive partner so credit given to the cat voters is relatively small
Will just spv elsewhere for now though as I don't think either of the current Andrea voters particularly want her shot
Yup, feeling like the first votes in the first round are pretty irrelevant to analyse. Like people said, bussing an inactive is pretty risk free, though I don't really want to punish someone for doing it.
We have a wolf down so I think I am going to vote Andrea. It'd be nice to hear from Danish too
I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
We have a wolf down so I think I am going to vote Andrea. It'd be nice to hear from Danish too
I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
Ill comment a little more fully at the office. I think sky's outlook is a little over-clever. It feels like something that should be true, from a cynical perspective, but may not be. For reference, see last game. All 3 round 1 wolf voters were human. I'm not saying clear plague voters and pursue Andrea voters, but I'm not sure the inverted approach is warranted either.
Ambivalent on our voting this round. As said will post more at office
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Ambivalent on our voting this round. As said will post more at office
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I was more pointing out really that there should be no credit given to the plague voters for the wolf shot rather than they are more likely to be guilty, although I would still wager the plague voters are slightly more odds on than Andrea voters. But that's just my perspective. Conversely Spid, one anecdotal example of the contrary doesn't debunk the theory either.
I agree with Smithy, I'd rather just shoot Andrea for quicker nights and a better game. But not in lieu of some patter this round at least.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I agree with Smithy, I'd rather just shoot Andrea for quicker nights and a better game. But not in lieu of some patter this round at least.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Im coming down against the shooting of Andrea, but I haven't thought about about too deeply.(and it shouldn't directly cause shorter nights because it's already clear she is human so wolves have no need to continually try to keep her in the mix)
The main reasons are that with the plague shooting, last round was a real genuine win for us (given we have Andreas ID for 'free) shooting Andrea makes it mostly moot. Maybe shooting her is the sporting play, which if it genuinely is, I'm fine with, but there is a caveat there. I appreciate t short night, but the eating of slayer over andrea is just bizarre to me. Im not sure what the rationale would be. Feels like a possible rove move (his impatience to start a new round getting the better better him perhaps)
I think a Danish shot would be a fair compromise, but Andrea being a liability is stifair grounds to shoot her.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The main reasons are that with the plague shooting, last round was a real genuine win for us (given we have Andreas ID for 'free) shooting Andrea makes it mostly moot. Maybe shooting her is the sporting play, which if it genuinely is, I'm fine with, but there is a caveat there. I appreciate t short night, but the eating of slayer over andrea is just bizarre to me. Im not sure what the rationale would be. Feels like a possible rove move (his impatience to start a new round getting the better better him perhaps)
I think a Danish shot would be a fair compromise, but Andrea being a liability is stifair grounds to shoot her.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Just checking an SPV in
Busy with a house move so will try and get on when I can
Busy with a house move so will try and get on when I can
Switched to Danish, I think she is equally likely to be a liability as Andrea, and I can atleast pretend she's a plausible wolf while doing the 'sporting' thing. If we end up shooting Andrea this round or next round that's fine, but it just seems like such a weird thing that we got here. Still think a Rove move is possible, not sure what else, maybe I'm overanalyzing, but can't figure it out.
debc1 voted for andrea103
jeminy voted for andrea103
1Part_Mischief voted for andrea103
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celtichero voted for Danish
The_Spider voted for Danish
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Colange voted for celtichero
Misc voted for bRIN
Rove_Tarts voted for Colange
Skybet voted for jeminy
The_Smithy voted for Rove_Tarts
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
debc1 voted for andrea103
jeminy voted for andrea103
1Part_Mischief voted for andrea103
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celtichero voted for Danish
The_Spider voted for Danish
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Colange voted for celtichero
Misc voted for bRIN
Rove_Tarts voted for Colange
Skybet voted for jeminy
The_Smithy voted for Rove_Tarts
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Assuming he doesn't make it on before round end, also happy with a Danish vote as a better balance of sporting v strategic. I'll switch now
I might have missed something, bit doesn't Danish's last log in clear her as well via the night not timing out? Or are we just ignoring that?
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
1Part_Mischief voted for andrea103
celtichero voted for Danish
Colange voted for celtichero
debc1 voted for andrea103
jeminy voted for andrea103
Misc voted for bRIN
Rove_Tarts voted for Colange
Skybet voted for jeminy
The_Smithy voted for Danish
The_Spider voted for Danish
With the super short night, I think shooting a 5+ day inactive doesn't make much sense. I'd be willing to go Danish over andrea at this point. But I understand the unwillingness to carry andrea around as dead weight, too. Also, I guess Danish is more likely to rally and come active.
I think I'm going to wait.
I think I'm going to wait.
Skybet wrote:
It likely does, but while Andrea is brazenly and obviously human, there is at least some sporting 'look the other way' on the potential login implications, at least from my perpsective. It might be emotional rather than logical, but shooting Andrea after we got a lucky break in the tie feels like handing any advantage gained back, while Danish was a likely shot anyway. They both are fine shots, even if guaranteed humans for their down the road liability and for seer safety, just feels less like we are shooting a screamingly obvious human.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I might have missed something, bit doesn't Danish's last log in clear her as well via the night not timing out? Or are we just ignoring that?
It likely does, but while Andrea is brazenly and obviously human, there is at least some sporting 'look the other way' on the potential login implications, at least from my perpsective. It might be emotional rather than logical, but shooting Andrea after we got a lucky break in the tie feels like handing any advantage gained back, while Danish was a likely shot anyway. They both are fine shots, even if guaranteed humans for their down the road liability and for seer safety, just feels less like we are shooting a screamingly obvious human.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Ok I understand where you're coming from. I'll switch.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I don't care
Will go with danish
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Will go with danish
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I thought i posted... must not have.
Edit: Oh, I did post. My phone didn't refresh
Will stay and check back
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Edit: Oh, I did post. My phone didn't refresh
Will stay and check back
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I think the choice is pretty irrelevant, if danish appeared in round 1 and didn't vote it's pretty likely she wouldn't vote at night even if she did log on, right?
Like deb, I actually don't really care who gets shot, as long as it's one of them. I can deal with 1 inactive but 2 just feels like a huge liability. I just don't think this choice requires much thought one way or the other.
Still waiting for brin to vote too, so no rush.
I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
Like deb, I actually don't really care who gets shot, as long as it's one of them. I can deal with 1 inactive but 2 just feels like a huge liability. I just don't think this choice requires much thought one way or the other.
Still waiting for brin to vote too, so no rush.
I had a signature but then I forgot it 0.o
I'll move off so Brin can, hopefully, vote.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Skybet wrote:
Skybet wrote:
So by POE do you think Celtic/1part are more likely than average to be wolves?
(Also, the latter quote is worth noting because Sky was a Andrea voter)
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I'd probably say rove and Spid read human so far.
Skybet wrote:
If anything I would consider the Andrea voters likely human and look at the plague voters more dubiously.
So by POE do you think Celtic/1part are more likely than average to be wolves?
(Also, the latter quote is worth noting because Sky was a Andrea voter)
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I really don't think anything can be gathered from who voted plague vs andrea. It's not improbable that a wolf would avoid voting a teammate in the hopes of keeping them in, or that they'd deliberately bus them to get brownie points.
1Part_Mischief voted for andrea103
celtichero voted for Danish
Colange voted for Danish
debc1 voted for Danish
jeminy voted for andrea103
Misc voted for bRIN
Rove_Tarts voted for andrea103
Skybet voted for Danish
The_Smithy voted for Danish
The_Spider voted for Rove_Tarts
celtichero voted for Danish
Colange voted for Danish
debc1 voted for Danish
jeminy voted for andrea103
Misc voted for bRIN
Rove_Tarts voted for andrea103
Skybet voted for Danish
The_Smithy voted for Danish
The_Spider voted for Rove_Tarts
I will vote Danish as well. Sorry. My Grandbaby #8 chose to show himself this afternoon, so I was a little late getting back.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
I will put another vote on andrea just to give everyone else a more even opportunity to decide.
Though I don't really mind dragging around the inactive baggage if it means we would have a smaller field of probability to hit a wolf by ignoring inactives.
Really think the wolves are just going to eat inactives anyway since they're cleared humans and offer little to no info with their eatings.
Though I don't really mind dragging around the inactive baggage if it means we would have a smaller field of probability to hit a wolf by ignoring inactives.
Really think the wolves are just going to eat inactives anyway since they're cleared humans and offer little to no info with their eatings.
We say farewell today to our foreign exchange student Danish. We wish you safe travels, but we also wish you had participated a bit more, especially since you were our seer.
It's a disease, not a punch line
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