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The Werewolf Game #2701

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 7 rounds.

Discussion of Round #3

Round: 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  

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RhythmicAus


Posted: 05:36AM Apr 14, 2012

RFM
Thanks.
Seer alive!
Game is king of the hill!
Last post it 50 points!
Most post ( no double or more ) is 25 points!


number game continues this round!

Next rounds game is Roulette!
You have $2 to bet.
Look at a standard roulette table and tell me your bet!
Whoever wins the most chips wins 60 points!
You can bet in intervals of 50 cents. So 4 bets total.
Pm me your choice any time.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 05:37AM Apr 14, 2012

Guessing 69 for number game.

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JakeTADAus


Posted: 05:38AM Apr 14, 2012

Higher

bah
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 06:00AM Apr 14, 2012

I don't get the number game? Are we all playing as a team, or are we playing individually?

I am putting a vote in for Mel to get a vote in, and because I think she could be a wolf, considering christiangrl wasn't.
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RhythmicAus


Posted: 06:08AM Apr 14, 2012

Edit: One person wins the number game. If that person is a wolf, all the wolves get points.

In the public part of the number game, we sort of act like a group. A person guesses, then Jake gives the result. Another person (or the same person) guesses and Jake gives the result.

In the private part, we PM our last two guesses.
Example: 1st of two guesses could be 75. In the same PM, you say what you last guess is. For this example, you could say if the magic number is higher than 75, make my last guess 76. If it is lower, make my last guess 71.

That's my understanding. Does that help?

EDIT 2: Guessing 75 for number game


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 06:23AM Apr 14, 2012

Okay, well when's the private part?

Man, this just confuses me.
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RhythmicAus


Posted: 06:27AM Apr 14, 2012

I'm hoping at some point Jake will say something like, "That was the last public guess, now the game moves to the private part."

EDIT: I think Mel is still getting used to the game (like me). Maybe I'm reading too little into her actions. Maybe this is more rookie thinking, but I wonder if the wolves stayed quiet last round and watched the humans throw accusations at each other.

Also, did the wolf round look like it timed out to anyone else?

Voting Sneak for now.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 07:02AM Apr 14, 2012

If the night round didn't time out, it finished like right before the 24 hour mark. Can't be sure since the last player post was 1:54PM (for me) and the round started an hour and a half ago.

Mel looks like she's just being overly noobish and the eatings say that the wolves are relatively experienced which shortens my suspect list a bit (ate semi-active in Tan R1, active in LH in R2 likely because they thought she was the seer).
However, I'm guessing only one wolf is calling the shots since it looks the night round probably timed out.

Voting for Golden since he failed to lock in a SPV last round giving his identity away as a non-seer (or useless seer). Plus I'm anticipating him voting for me at any time now


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 07:06AM Apr 14, 2012

Yeah the wolf round pretty much timed out

Rhythmic, I think youre right that Im new, but I really have no acusations to make. I agree that im new and getting tossed around by the wolves because of it.

I see rhythmic as a plain human becatuse of his last post. That was really honest soundinh.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 07:54AM Apr 14, 2012

Heading out for a few hours. I should be able to check back in later. Have fun!

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SneakattackAus


Posted: 08:17AM Apr 14, 2012

Good morning everyone (at least for me).

Seems longhorn was eaten. What a shame she is a good player.

I'm just gonna go fishing for now. Later I'll make a legitimate decision.


What are you looking at?
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Melanmel16us


Posted: 08:21AM Apr 14, 2012

Alright, Sneak, Harry, Rhythmic. Im going to be busy till IDK when too, at least to 11:30 braingle time.

Sneak's "seems longhorn was eaten. What a shame she is a good player* seems suspicous, though. I think that I will vote sneak as I see no other direction to go in.


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caberetAus


Posted: 09:26AM Apr 14, 2012

They ate longhorn? What a hoot! Going to look into things. But for now, I'm going to wake up...

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GoldengladeAmd


Posted: 09:47AM Apr 14, 2012

The number 71 is the answer to the number game

I missed last round because i was at a funeral. However i think we need to draw our attention to the possibility of harry being a wolf... because he is still around
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caberetAus


Posted: 10:07AM Apr 14, 2012

Goldenglade wrote:
I missed last round because i was at a funeral.
I'm so sorry to hear that someone you know died. I hope you're okay.

However i think we need to draw our attention to the possibility of harry being a wolf... because he is still around
Actually, HP was cleared (near as I can tell) Round 1. HP was the last post, and the wolves only got 5 points each, according to Jake. But as per the game, if the last post were by a wolf, then all the wolves would have won 10 points.

It sounds like you won the number game. Here's hoping you can buy something that helps the humans!


"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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Melanmel16us


Posted: 11:14AM Apr 14, 2012

Im sorry for your loss, golden

How can "[mel] can be a wolf, considering christiangrl wasn't"? It doesnt fit to me...oh, and quote cab


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JakeTADAus


Posted: 11:20AM Apr 14, 2012

Higher than 72
ok PM me.
example
73
If higher 75
If lower 72


bah
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caberetAus


Posted: 11:36AM Apr 14, 2012

Melanmel16 wrote:
How can "[mel] can be a wolf, considering christiangrl wasn't"? It doesnt fit to me...oh, and quote cab
This makes no sense twice over...

Going to throw in my SPV. Subject to change depending upon future developments.


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 12:11PM Apr 14, 2012

well, cab it may not make sence cause it didn't in the first place. Can you explain it?

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caberetAus


Posted: 12:30PM Apr 14, 2012

It's hard to make 'sence' of anything that comes from Mel's keyboard.

Voting Snapshot:
caberet voted for Rhythmic
Goldenglade voted for HarryPutter
GreenApples27 voted for Melanmel16
HarryPutter voted for Goldenglade
Melanmel16 voted for Sneakattack
Rhythmic voted for Sneakattack
Sneakattack voted for SirHar


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 12:45PM Apr 14, 2012

For what it's worth, here's who hasn't voted yet:

DrizztGirl
ka-ching
SirHar
xxsoftballxx13x


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 01:02PM Apr 14, 2012

I don't find that funny, Cab.

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JakeTADAus


Posted: 01:15PM Apr 14, 2012

Ding ding ding!
We have our glorious winner!
They guessed 72!


bah
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RhythmicAus


Posted: 01:17PM Apr 14, 2012

I thought you said it was higher than 72...

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Melanmel16us


Posted: 01:19PM Apr 14, 2012

He said it was higher than 71.

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RhythmicAus


Posted: 01:21PM Apr 14, 2012

JakeTAD wrote:
Higher than 72
ok PM me.
example
73
If higher 75
If lower 72


Must have been a typo. Golden's last guess was 71. I saw that but figured someone must have PM'd Jake early with a guess of 72. Oh well.


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caberetAus


Posted: 01:32PM Apr 14, 2012

Melanmel16 wrote:
I don't find that funny, Cab.
If you're not a wolf, then please explain your seemingly cryptic postings from this round.

Here's hoping that a human won the dratted ## game.

Also hoping that Drizz isn't our seer.


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 01:36PM Apr 14, 2012

WHAT POSTS!!! I DONT UNDERSTAND!

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xxsoftballxx13xtus


Posted: 01:40PM Apr 14, 2012

Hmmm. When I realized Longhorn was eaten, I was astonished. I mean, she was under an abundance of suspicion last round, and she would've been a candidate for the bullet this round. I guess there are two logical possibilities as to why she was eaten:

A) One or more of the wolves are not paying attention.

B) The wolves suspected she was the seer. I don't really think this is the case, as she was agitated into her vote last round. I'm more inclined to believe that the first option is more viable...

For now, I'll place a vote for Mel, as her last few posts aren't really understandable to me. I don't know if it's a wording issue, or a distraction, but it isn't making sense.


Apples, if you don't want to be in a majority, just let me know.


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 02:29PM Apr 14, 2012

I will seeif I can get the majority off of me...

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caberetAus


Posted: 02:32PM Apr 14, 2012

Melanmel16 wrote:
WHAT POSTS!!! I DONT UNDERSTAND!
Have no clue what you're trying to say in any of the following postings...
How can "[mel] can be a wolf, considering christiangrl wasn't"?
Huh?
oh, and quote cab
Again, huh?
well, cab it may not make sence cause it didn't in the first place.
???


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 02:40PM Apr 14, 2012

Thank you for clarifying that.

1- I dont understand how uou think that grl not being a wolf points the finger at me.
2- I didnt want people to think I made that up, so I said that you said it.
3- I didnt understand how my #1 didnt make sence, so i said that your post didnt make sence again.

Hope this helps


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DrizztGirlAus


Posted: 02:56PM Apr 14, 2012

Sorry I wasn't active at all. I wasn't aware that the game had started. I'll read through the previous rounds to find out if anyone was cleared or not. And for now I'll vote with whoever has the majority.
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Melanmel16us


Posted: 03:01PM Apr 14, 2012

Awww- thats me or sneak!!

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Melanmel16us


Posted: 03:02PM Apr 14, 2012

Phew, its sneak!

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caberetAus


Posted: 03:09PM Apr 14, 2012

DrizztGirl wrote:
Sorry I wasn't active at all. I wasn't aware that the game had started. I'll read through the previous rounds to find out if anyone was cleared or not. And for now I'll vote with whoever has the majority.
How can you know the game had started without logging onto Braingle? And why just randomly join a majority? How does that help your team? (Yes, we know that you're human!)

Melanmel16 wrote:
1- I dont understand how uou think that grl not being a wolf points the finger at me.
I was rather curious as to why GA suspected Mel because of CG being human.
2- I didnt want people to think I made that up, so I said that you said it.
This still makes absolutely no sense to me.
3- I didnt understand how my #1 didnt make sence, so i said that your post didnt make sence again.
This is taking things to ridiculous levels.

And please for the love of all that's good, have the sense to spell 'sense' correctly! Those little red dots are there for a reason!

I am changing to Mel. She has repeatedly stood out to me.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 03:29PM Apr 14, 2012

HarryPutter wrote:

Mel looks like she's just being overly noobish and the eatings say that the wolves are relatively experienced which shortens my suspect list a bit (ate semi-active in Tan R1, active in LH in R2 likely because they thought she was the seer).
However, I'm guessing only one wolf is calling the shots since it looks the night round probably timed out.



I agree with Harry's reasoning here. I think one wolf is an experienced player and the other is relatively inacative (at least for the last day or so).

Leaving my vote on Sneak.


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caberetAus


Posted: 03:41PM Apr 14, 2012

Day
It takes 6 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

caberet voted for Melanmel16
DrizztGirl voted for Sneakattack
Goldenglade voted for HarryPutter
GreenApples27 voted for Melanmel16
HarryPutter voted for Goldenglade
Melanmel16 voted for Sneakattack
Rhythmic voted for Sneakattack
Sneakattack voted for SirHar
xxsoftballxx13x voted for Melanmel16

Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
Please let's have another wolf go down!


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SirHarA


Posted: 03:45PM Apr 14, 2012

Holy crap.....you people are crazy...

Put my 2 dollars on the bottom third of the table...

Voting mel...no good reason I just like to watch her squirm....


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caberetAus


Posted: 03:51PM Apr 14, 2012

Hardy Har finally woke up!

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Melanmel16us


Posted: 04:28PM Apr 14, 2012

Squirm, squirm, squirm! Now, listen to Putter the awesome and prove you're not insane!

I now understand cabs confusion- I said "quote cab" when it was really ga who said it. REALLY sorry!

Now, im not a wolf, so lets work together, here.

My not wolf list:
Cab
Rhythmic
Sorry thats all i got

My possible wolf list:
Sneak

My possible wolf cause inactive list:
drizzle
glade
har

Cab, im sorry for these small ,istakes, but im touch oad typing, and it is very difficult and slow.


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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 05:12PM Apr 14, 2012

Changing my vote to Har.

He would fit better as my inactive wolf, but I'd think Glade fits that profile too. I'd just prefer him shot over sneak or mel right now. Though I'm going to change my vote to sneak before the round is over if the voting situation currently stays as it is.

Drizz is definitely a human btw, mel.


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 05:47PM Apr 14, 2012

How did we get that? I know Cab mentioned it, but I think that last wolf round timed out

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RhythmicAus


Posted: 05:49PM Apr 14, 2012

The round before didn't time out and Drizz hadn't logged on. At least that's my understanding. Someone please point out if I'm wrong in my logic (or explain it better).

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Melanmel16us


Posted: 05:52PM Apr 14, 2012

alright, Rhythmic. I believe you guys, but Im not going to take it off of my list because I don't want any misunderstandings.

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SneakattackAus


Posted: 05:53PM Apr 14, 2012

Hey guys I'm not a wolf but I will admit that I've been inactive. I've been busy with calculus homework and college research and all that stuff. Plus, I'm losing interest in these WWG and WTB games. So, if you shoot me for whatever reason, then I'm actually ok with that.

I'm keeping my vote on har, especially bc of his last post.


What are you looking at?
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 06:28PM Apr 14, 2012

To clear things up, I thought one of the votes on me last round from christiangrl or Mel was a wolf jumping on my vote, and when christiangrl turned out to be human, I thought that Mel had a good chance of being a wolf having put me in a majority.

I laughed at Jeff's comment that we are all crazy. A bit hypocritical?

I am keeping my vote on Mel because I do think she's on a tier above the rest for wolfishness. I definitely think caberet is a human. Along with caberet, I think HarryPutter is also definitely a human.

I am looking at xxsoftballxx13x as wolfish right now, based on her last post. And I know she hates us using it as a reason to suspect her, but I just can't shake it off...

Mel and xxsoftballxx13x are my biggest suspects, but xxsoftballxx13x is voting Mel... Urgh!
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Melanmel16us


Posted: 06:52PM Apr 14, 2012

Yes, GA, that does put a damper on our wolf-based relationship!

Well, Im sorry that Harry is voting Har cause now im a prominent majority...grr...

jeff just does that.

I dont understand everyone's votes on me, jusst cab and GA's

I expect better of you guys, you're such good players, but can't destinguish wolf from newb!


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 07:14PM Apr 14, 2012

Seeing that Har is online, I expect that he is fourmulating a striking response...to our INSANITY

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SirHarA


Posted: 07:16PM Apr 14, 2012

OKIE dokie the wolves are Mel XXX and Cabi....Case closed game over!!!!.....



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Melanmel16us


Posted: 07:20PM Apr 14, 2012

So, we know that Haar's not the seer

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SirHarA


Posted: 07:21PM Apr 14, 2012

I have seen this movie ...except mel wasn't in it ...she is the new "child star"...

did you really think you could get me SHOT????

you better try worrying about surviving!!! WOLF!!!!!!


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 07:22PM Apr 14, 2012

Does anyone get that? Cause I dont see any prominent analogies...

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SirHarA


Posted: 07:22PM Apr 14, 2012

oh wait ho is still here???


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 07:24PM Apr 14, 2012

Whos ho?

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caberetAus


Posted: 07:24PM Apr 14, 2012

Mel has drizz as a wolf? Har has me as one (of 3?)?

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Melanmel16us


Posted: 07:25PM Apr 14, 2012

What's Drizz?

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 07:49PM Apr 14, 2012

Changing my vote to sneak to tie it up.

caberet voted for Melanmel16
DrizztGirl voted for Sneakattack
Goldenglade voted for HarryPutter
GreenApples27 voted for Melanmel16
HarryPutter voted for Sneakattack
Melanmel16 voted for Sneakattack
Rhythmic voted for Sneakattack

SirHar voted for Melanmel16
Sneakattack voted for SirHar
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Melanmel16us


Posted: 07:57PM Apr 14, 2012

Thanks putter!

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caberetAus


Posted: 07:57PM Apr 14, 2012

Melanmel16 wrote:
What's Drizz?
It's simple. Drizz = Human

Sneak's response seems rather human as well.

Holding my vote on the player that's working hard to make herself sound like she's not paying attention!


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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 08:18PM Apr 14, 2012

caberet wrote:
Sneak's response seems rather human as well.


Really? I thought the opposite...
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SirHarA


Posted: 08:32PM Apr 14, 2012

Mel is a wolf ...My vote stands,, It is what it it is....however Ga and Harry combo bothers me,,,,,

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SirHarA


Posted: 08:39PM Apr 14, 2012

Mel harry dizzy
thats where I am am I lost??


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ka-ching


Posted: 08:57PM Apr 14, 2012

I'm preserving this tie thing. I'm neutral. haha Don't have specific reasons to think either one is a wolf, but can't think of a great reason why they shouldn't be shot, and that's the best I can do right now. I can't get into this round, sorry. I still haven't even gotten home yet.
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caberetAus


Posted: 09:11PM Apr 14, 2012

SirHar wrote:
Mel harry dizzy
thats where I am am I lost??
Yes, you are lost. Diz is human. HP is human, unless Jake changed out the rules without telling us. And he's much too good of a mod to do that. Whether you're right about Mel remains to be seen.

GreenApples27 wrote:
caberet wrote:
Sneak's response seems rather human as well.
Really? I thought the opposite...
You know, after rereading sneak's posting this time around, I'm starting to agree with you. Seems that even an uninterested human would want their side to win. Not that drizzt is any proof of that...


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Melanmel16us


Posted: 10:22PM Apr 14, 2012

You know, it seems like insted of ching being attacked in round 3, I am! This happened in the last game I played, too!

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HarryPutter*ca


Posted: 12:59AM Apr 15, 2012

Why would we be attacking ching specifically in round 3?
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GoldengladeAmd


Posted: 02:08AM Apr 15, 2012

as much as i love staying neutral in all matters pertaining to shooting people that aren't me i'm going to have to cast a vote for mel. Sorry mel nothing personal i'm just basing this on your behavior.
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