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The Werewolf Game #2907

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #4

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RhythmicAus


Posted: 12:13PM Apr 29, 2013

Thanks Rhythmic. I got some good news and I got some bad news.

The good news is, yoy got a wolf in 4wheels.

The bad news is tbat buu441 was the seer.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 12:21PM Apr 29, 2013

I want to wait for Stewie before voting, but I will say night DID time out. It's been a slow day and I sat here and watched it.

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 12:54PM Apr 29, 2013

LOL

Will also wait on IDs


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 01:25PM Apr 29, 2013

1 down, two to go! I will say I think we got lucky with 4wheels. It was more a case of getting rid of dead weight than reading wolf signals off her. But I'll take it.

I've looked back through buu's posts to see if I could find anything useful. Not much luck there... The only thing I could find that even mentions players still with us is in Round 2 (his second post) - "among this lot, i am sure snow or bradon would have been much higher on my eating priority list. " I don't think that helps us much. Does anyone else see anything?

I still think a wolf might have followed Longhorn on the MathGeek vote. Once again that was deb and RG. I'm voting for deb for now.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 01:32PM Apr 29, 2013

I did not notice anything about Buu's posts either.

I am also into thinking Deb might be the way to go, if not then Snow and then either RG, Ryth, or Roman(I am sorry, I called him Roger last round).

Between Roman, RG, and Ryth...Ryth is lowest on that list.

I realize I have a long list of 5 players there but if we can figure out one, then I think we can get the second.

I will NOT vote atthe moment as no need to protect the seer. I will be back after others have posted and my vote will most likely be for Deb.


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 01:55PM Apr 29, 2013

I'm not sure how much I'll be on later, so I'm trying to get my thoughts out now.

How I see the others:
debc1 - I'm thinking she's a wolf

bradon182001 - Toss-up
RomanG417 - Toss-up
snowmonster - Toss-up
Limerick - Toss-up, maybe human
Longhorn_fan - Toss-up, although leaning human

J-Boy - likely human
RGW4 - likely human

Looking at the votes on 4wheels, it was (I think in this order) J-boy, buu, and RG. I don't think RG would have put the third vote on 4wheels if he was a wolf. I also think J-Boy could have saved 4wheels if he wanted to. On the other hand, he may have been worried about looking suspicious, but I don't think so. Please correct me if I misspoke in this paragraph.


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J-Boy*za


Posted: 02:46PM Apr 29, 2013

Ok just checking in. Yay we got a wolf! But damn they got our seer!
Anyways, I'm wondering about snow. She doesn't seem to be playing like she used to when she was a human, so my vote goes there for now.


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 03:53PM Apr 29, 2013

How so? J-Boy, we haven't played a lot of games together, so how are you coming to this conclusion? Just curious.

Will wait to place a vote later, after more posts have been made. Sorry to see the seer gone. Not much time for divining, but will look at buu's posts to see if he was hinting about anyone either way.

My guess is the night timed out and the game randomly, unfortunately ate our seer. I was trying to keep an eye on how long the night went, but lost track the last couple hours.


**edit - here's a post from buu last round, that "may" suggest he divined 4wheels. This "may" have gotten him eaten, that is, if the night did not time out. Otherwise, I don't see any other post suggesting any divinations.

i will put a vote on 4wheels now. she aint been helping the game anyway, so might aswell get done with her. though i might change later if someone turns inactive.

other than that, can't say much. have a few suspicions, but not much leads.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 04:11PM Apr 29, 2013

snowmonster wrote:
other than that, can't say much. have a few suspicions, but not much leads.


Perhaps your sugestions may help us? It would give a more broad base of thinking


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bradon182001*us


Posted: 04:30PM Apr 29, 2013

Bad luck, losing the Seer before he had a chance to tell us anything. However, we got really lucky getting 4wheels, considering she offered nothing, and it does tend to make me feel more confident that Randy is human. Switching his vote to 4Wheels that late in the game just isn't something a fellow wolf would do.

I'm also thinking Deb may be a good shoot this round, since she seemed to want to clear 4wheels.Won't vote just yet, will also wait for other's ideas before making any final decisions.

And Snow, please give us your insight. I have no real suspicions other than possibly Deb, so if anyone has any ideas, like LH said, it may help us come up with something solid.


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debc1A


Posted: 04:50PM Apr 29, 2013

good people of the wolf game I AM HUMAN!!!!!

just saying last round that 4 was playing like she usually does, i think i said somewhere i could be wrong

going to get my list and do some rereading

the list:

bradon182001 - not sure
debc1- i am human i promise
J-Boy - leaning human
Limerick - don't know
Longhorn_fan - getting paranoid about her but she is playing as usual self
RGW4 - leaning human (rhy's reasoning sounds reasonable to me)
Rhythmic - i want to lean human
RomanG417 - no clue
snowmonster - still iffy

i don't know, may go snow, but not set in stone
would be nice if others would make a list


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 05:34PM Apr 29, 2013

My insight? IDK, it's so early in the game, I'm not really confident in my suspicions. This is why I'm not saying much yet. And I do usually play this way, right? first few rounds or so, I'm more or less watching and reading. . . .

But if you want my thoughts, here the are -


Bradon (Bobby) - 50/50 - leaning towards human, but I could be wrong
Deb - 65/50 - could go either way with her, but leaning towards wolf
J-Boy 70/50 - leaning towards wolf
Limerick - 60/50 - leaning towards wolf, but only slightly
Longhorn - 60/50 - leaning towards wolf, but only slightly
RGW4 - 60/50 - leaning towards wolf, but only slightly
Rhythmic - 70/50 - leaning towards wolf
Roman - 70/50 - leaning towards wolf

Ok, here are my thoughts - nothing set in stone, and I could change my mind on any of these, if enough evidence convinces me to do so.

For deb to place a vote that is not "set in stone" on me, who already has a vote, makes me wonder if she will conveniently forget to come back and change it - assuming she really views this as a "not set in stone" vote. This move, makes me wonder about her and J-Boy - are they working together? IDK, but I'm watching this.


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 05:35PM Apr 29, 2013

Interesting is that Limerick has been in chat all day on and off today but has yet to post in the round. Here we are almost 6 hours in.

I might be revisiting my last round vote and suspisions.

Deb I kinda made my type of list thing up above.

EDIT:
Snow that was one of the best lists I have ever seen....Epic!


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 05:59PM Apr 29, 2013

Golly, I've never done anything epic before. .. . . at least not here. LOL

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RGW4Aus


Posted: 06:31PM Apr 29, 2013

Yes you have Snow... you have epic games you mod! But you are missing a name on your list, yours. Are you leaning that you might be a wolf too?

I'm leaning towards being human on myself though... I seldom join into majorities in early rounds, but 4wheels just seemed like a good choice. Of course, that was because I said I thought it strange that Deb only cleared 3 people... and look, one of the people she cleared was a wolf. Now that leads me to think that I have to consider that Deb is a wolf too who tried to use her list to sway votes.

I am placing a vote on Deb right now... still early, but it is sort of how my votes got started last round.


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RomanG417Aus


Posted: 06:55PM Apr 29, 2013

Snowy's posts last round about how she doesn't suspect LH, but "will be watching" and how she has some suspicions but doesn't want to point them out yet seem vague enough to be those of a wolf.

Voting for snowmonster.

Also it seems like her list this round relies too much on where a player's username is alphabetically.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 07:20PM Apr 29, 2013

Still no Limerick and we are 7+ hours into a round with him being in chat for at least 4 of those hours.
Makes me wonder......is he a bored human or a wolf waiting to think of the right post?


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debc1A


Posted: 10:46PM Apr 29, 2013

no its not set in stone snow but now i am in a quandary, i change and might get shot(I AM HUMAN I PROMISE)
leave it and by a 50/50 chance you are human and i look like a wolf in everyone's eyes
also why don't you agree with rhy's reasoning? the last paragraph of his list post?
there wasn't a big rally to shoot 4, maybe i need to go back and read that round

lime not showing up is troublesome
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debc1A


Posted: 10:55PM Apr 29, 2013

Rhythmic wrote:
I'm not sure how much I'll be on later, so I'm trying to get my thoughts out now.

How I see the others:
debc1 - I'm thinking she's a wolf

bradon182001 - Toss-up
RomanG417 - Toss-up
snowmonster - Toss-up
Limerick - Toss-up, maybe human
Longhorn_fan - Toss-up, although leaning human

J-Boy - likely human
RGW4 - likely human

Looking at the votes on 4wheels, it was (I think in this order) J-boy, buu, and RG. I don't think RG would have put the third vote on 4wheels if he was a wolf. I also think J-Boy could have saved 4wheels if he wanted to. On the other hand, he may have been worried about looking suspicious, but I don't think so. Please correct me if I misspoke in this paragraph.


sorry for the double post but the last paragraph is in the correct voting order, j-boy way early so really at this point i don't think he would vote for a fellow wolf, buu was the seer, maybe he divined her, rg didn't have to change his vote from lime to 4 so thinking human also
to me this makes sense

edit:

except of course the deb is a wolf part


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 11:05PM Apr 29, 2013

Well, I'm in a position NOW where I have to join in and vote for deb, simply to try to save myself. Hmmmmmm....... Yes, deb, you came back to the game too late to be able to pull your vote off me. coincidental or conveniently late. . . IDK, but you will get my vote, whether I had previously considered voting for you or not. I have to try and save myself.

Roman, you reasons for voting for me, make no sense. You're grabbing at reasons, and I find that very wolfish.

If I am shot, consider what went down this round. Seriously folks, I'm human and the wolves are trying to vote me out.


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debc1A


Posted: 11:08PM Apr 29, 2013

i understand you want to save yourself
but please address my post in regard to rhy's reasoning
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RGW4Aus


Posted: 11:46PM Apr 29, 2013

The situation Deb is that with finding 4wheels as a wolf... you did clear her with what really was not a lot of info to go on... just because someone is playing like they usually plays does not make them look human. It sometimes is the things they do, or the way they vote that points to them.

BTW Snow, you said something about the game randomly eating our seer because it does look like the round timed out... remember there are two wolves left. Even if one does not vote, if the other one did, their vote did the deed. Random eating only happens when the wolves "all" do not vote, and that seems to only happen when down to one wolf. And you... an experienced mod in the wolf game should know that.


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 11:53PM Apr 29, 2013

Yea, I should have realized that. My bad. I miss details at times, when I'm in a hurry and don't have time to think it out. I do think buu got eaten because of his vote for 4wheels and the wolves or "wolf" were hoping he was the seer. The wolf or wolves who voted to eat buu, got it right.

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Limerickus


Posted: 02:28AM Apr 30, 2013

Sorry about my inactivity, yes, I have been around, but been distracted by other people on Braingle and my other game ending that I was eaten in. I think I can be back with a vengeance now though.

buu as seer, let's take a looksee:

Round 2 -

@LH: if you could explain your basis of suspicion. the mathgeek suspicions are sound. but 4wheels always play that way. and you still didn't explain why i am a suspect.

anyway, i am putting a spv for now.

@LH: i have rarely played with ICU. so i can't very well judge how awesome they play. among this lot, i am sure snow or bradon would have been much higher on my eating priority list.

buu441 voted for snowmonster

Okay, so, vote for snowmonster, a comment on a suspicion of 4wheels, seems likely enough a divination on 4wheels may have been an order. Focus seems to be on snow and bradon though...

Round 3:

i will put a vote on 4wheels now. she aint been helping the game anyway, so might aswell get done with her. though i might change later if someone turns inactive.

other than that, can't say much. have a few suspicions, but not much leads.

buu441 voted for 4wheels

No further mention of snow/bradon, may mean nothing, may mean everything... The vote on snow clearly didn't go anywhere, seems reasonable to think snow may actually be cleared here with the death of that suspicion. However, buu jumped on an existing SPV vote, suggesting there may have been something to it, so I would hesitate to clear her yet. I can't say I am detecting anything particularly out of the ordinary from her yet.

Okay, so, 4wheels was a wolf, this should prove interesting...

I am pretty much willing to clear RGW and J-boy at this point. There was really not a strong enough majority or enough to gain by knocking out another wolf for them this early in the game, plenty of opportunity to throw blame elsewhere, I just don't buy either of them at this phase.

RGW jumped on 4wheels because LH jumped on his SPV making a 2 vote majority forming a 3 vote majority with buu and j-post? What? Still don't think this makes him a wolf... but... really?

I still remain relatively trusting of Rhythmic as well again for his stating he usually suspects Snow and Bradon.... I just don't see that crossing his mind unless he was actively suspecting them which a wolf would not be.

Bradon is a bit suspect to me at this point

"So, who do I suspect? Everyone! It's early in the game, and since no one is really standing out to me at this point"

While I can't disagree, this let's shoot everyone attitude is a bit suspect to me, need some more thought going here...

"Bad luck, losing the Seer before he had a chance to tell us anything. However, we got really lucky getting 4wheels"

This comment about bad luck strikes me as more a wolf trying to hide, but I also know bradon is a good player... so, I don't think I can read too much in here.

I also tend to believe deb, just from past experience knowing how her vehement claims of humanity tend to turn out.

Snowmonster still seems relatively consistent and she is possibly cleared by buu, so I am not in a hurry to vote her.

Roman has a vendetta against LHF, now suddenly turns against snow just because snow doesn't suspect LHF? Seems rather convenient to me unless he thinks both LHF and snow are wolves in which case... why the sudden change?

My vote goes to Roman with a suspicion of bradon as our final wolf on the side.
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J-Boy*za


Posted: 03:57AM Apr 30, 2013

I jut wanted to see what my thoughts would kick up. Roman seemed to blindly follow me into a majority. I'm thinking he is a wolf and that's where my vote is going.

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 07:18AM Apr 30, 2013

Bradon and I are the only non voters.
I will remedy that.
I will go for Roman over Deb and snow monster.

I am tempted to believe Deb, snow I am not as sure about..
Roman is just not settling well with me.

Also not really buying Lime's excuse.


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bradon182001*us


Posted: 08:09AM Apr 30, 2013

Four hours left in the round. I got busy last night with starting the new game in 1 vs 100 and didn't get back to vote here, but I've definitely been giving it much thought. First, I most definitely don't buy Lime's excuse for missing most of the round. Looking at his previous game, he was eaten over a week ago, so exactly how much following is required when you are now in another active game can there be? That's really all I have to say on that subject.

I do feel the need to address the issues he raised, however, since he clearly is trying to turn suspicion on me for innocent statements made early in the game. In the early rounds yes, I do suspect everyone, and I really thought unless you actually knew who the wolves were, that's the way most everyone feels. Bad luck losing the Seer, again when you lose your Seer in round 3, I certainly don't consider this good luck. Especially when he only had two rounds to divine and it's obvious that he must have divined 4wheels in one of the two and he could have divined either Snow or me in the other, I'm guessing it was me because he actually voted for Snow in Round 2 and having been a Seer recently I know you can't vote for the same person you divine during the same round. The fact that his one and only post in Round 3 was:


'i will put a vote on 4wheels now. she aint been helping the game anyway, so might aswell get done with her. though i might change later if someone turns inactive.

other than that, can't say much. have a few suspicions, but not much leads. "

this clearly states he didn't have anything to reveal. He found out that I am human, and voted for 4wheels who he knew was wolf.

Based on our Seer's other mention, voting Snowy.


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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:19AM Apr 30, 2013

BOBBY! Buu voted for me in Round 2 and clearly stated it was an SPV vote - see here -

@LH: if you could explain your basis of suspicion. the mathgeek suspicions are sound. but 4wheels always play that way. and you still didn't explain why i am a suspect.

anyway, i am putting a spv for now.


His only other post that round that actually mentions me is -

@LH: i have rarely played with ICU. so i can't very well judge how awesome they play. among this lot, i am sure snow or bradon would have been much higher on my eating priority list.


In this post he is addressing LH, when she suspected him of being a wolf, and eating ICU. He explained if he were a wolf, he would have eaten me or you before ICU. I hardly see his post, mentioning me, as a hint that I was a wolf!!!!!


I will now have to change my vote to Roman to try and save myself. Don't mind that too much cause he voted for me with very poor reasons.

My suspect list is shifting. . . . .

Bobby - you are 75/50 - leaning towards being a wolf, although, as a wolf, you are much quieter than this, so I'm confused with you.
Roman - 75/50 as well.
Deb - 65/50 towards being a wolf.
LH - 60/50 - towards being a wolf

Not sure about the rest.


---This message was edited on 2013-04-30 09:26:45---

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RGW4Aus


Posted: 09:30AM Apr 30, 2013

Interesting turn of events and a nice summary Limerick. What other game did you get eaten in?

I know that if somehow Deb does get the silver bullet this round and she is a wolf, that I would be voting for LH next round - still based on Deb's list. However, if she turned out to be human, than that would put LH farther down the suspect list.

I wasn't watching how soon Roman voted into the majority J-boy was in... but that too is a wolf trait - follow others into a gun shoot on a human. Ok... I just looked, seems like there was about 4 hours between Jboy's vote and Roman jumping in - not too convincing.

I actually could see where any one of the three with votes now could be wolves, so I have no reason to change my vote, and yes, I can see where all three could be human.


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Limerickus


Posted: 09:32AM Apr 30, 2013

I don't make excuses, just explanations :p

As far as how much effort it takes... That depends... How good are you at ciphers?

http://pastebin.com/wxgcj7eG

Though, I will admit it is not so much the game part, but my addiction to talking to players in said game that have been taking my time. I make no excuse, I should be here, I have been up at 5am most nights this week, I have had no lack of time.

As for turning suspicion, I was not really trying to "turn suspicion" on anyone, just trying to analyze what little we had to go on. Getting that defensive over a simple analysis of the posts? I don't even find you a primary suspect right now, I just said what I saw. Anything specific you don't agree on? I happen to think my statements were better founded than most suspicions right now. I am still ready to be convinced :p

I actually didn't know you can't divine and vote the same person, good to know. (Although I have been seer twice, I was eaten first round both times ) That does make your case a bit stronger towards Snowy...
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J-Boy*za


Posted: 09:39AM Apr 30, 2013

For now I'm happy to leave my vote where it is. The identity of whoever gets shot and who gets eaten will be revealing.

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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 10:38AM Apr 30, 2013

J-Boy wrote:
For now I'm happy to leave my vote where it is. The identity of whoever gets shot and who gets eaten will be revealing.


IDKY but this post is not settling well with me.
It seems legit enough a thing to say but something bothers me....


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