The Werewolf Game
Game #3203: Strings Attached
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Your Seer lives
Round 2 Puppetry
DCF must vote for Hydra
Mnky must vote for Hydra
SS must vote for Hydra
Reminder: the above is for THIS round
Good luck!
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"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -MLK Jr.
Your Seer lives
Round 2 Puppetry
DCF must vote for Hydra
Mnky must vote for Hydra
SS must vote for Hydra
Reminder: the above is for THIS round
Good luck!
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"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -MLK Jr.
Post from sciencesteven deleted on 2016-06-11 13:33:52.
I don't know what's been happening, so I'll SPV for MND
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -MLK Jr.
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -MLK Jr.
hey
checking in
I will vote someone for now
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I will vote someone for now
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Whoa. The wolves have definitely decided to go after Hydra this round. That either means Hydra's an obvious human the wolves have decided to pick on, or a wolf trying to clear himself with this move. Seeing as I don't want to help the wolves out, I'm thinking we should make a different majority. Interestingly two of the possible majority options I have are being puppeted, so I'll try and make my own for now with subject to change.
I'll vote for KZ for now.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
I'll vote for KZ for now.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
We need to form a competing majority since hydra is pretty likely human voting deb for now
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I could see a wolf in the puppet list, but not as the vote (at least in this case).
Going to vote for HP for now. Call it a SPV if you'd like.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
Going to vote for HP for now. Call it a SPV if you'd like.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
I find this very interesting and have a lot to say but am going to eat dinner and bb very soon
SPV for now
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
SPV for now
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
My puppet hand just clicked Hydra's name.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
Every problem can be solved with a trick but finding that trick itself needs another trick.
So.....the obvious conclusion is Hydra is human, but there are cases where he could be a wolf.
1) He had a bone to pick and is 'ragequitting' (which doesnt apply here so doubt it) or he sort of is trolling (something Changhill might do here) but I don't think that's Hydra's plyaystyle.
2) He has at least one (possible both) partners who are respected or at least trustworthy and they suggested it's a good strategy to clear himself. I don't think Hydra would agree to this strategy if he had two 'middling' (use whatever word you want ) partners who couldn't carry the strategy through. Long story short, a bold play requires dependable teamate(s)
3) The wolves thought the shooting of Hydra was inevitable and thus the only way to potentially save him was to innoculate him in this manner. Could be possible, will need to see how things develop.
Another note is that the puppets are all, again let's say to some degree, not the 'core players' In other words, none of Harry, Spider, Deb, etc etc were puppeted. This to me shows at least one wolf who has some understanding of the 'lay of the land' as far as cliques/hierarchy sort of goes (not trying to be arrogant just give me a break with my language usage here )
Also along those lines, the wolves ate the sole player who was puppeted (Dr Hoo) though Im not 100% sure it 'counted'? Again, could just be a coincidence but also could be an indication of a tactical understanding of the rule set and how to play them. I think we have one formidable wolf in the group.
well the counter to all this, is the wolves really dont have much confidence in their strategy/feel for the ruleset and played it very safe (Hydra being the other non voter and the puppeted being the less agressive players)
Lastly, steves first comment 'I have no idea' usually triggers alarms in me, but Im wondering if this is one of those things I always find suspicious but it never ends up panning out.
This is an interesting situation, too interesting for people to not offer their thoughts on
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
1) He had a bone to pick and is 'ragequitting' (which doesnt apply here so doubt it) or he sort of is trolling (something Changhill might do here) but I don't think that's Hydra's plyaystyle.
2) He has at least one (possible both) partners who are respected or at least trustworthy and they suggested it's a good strategy to clear himself. I don't think Hydra would agree to this strategy if he had two 'middling' (use whatever word you want ) partners who couldn't carry the strategy through. Long story short, a bold play requires dependable teamate(s)
3) The wolves thought the shooting of Hydra was inevitable and thus the only way to potentially save him was to innoculate him in this manner. Could be possible, will need to see how things develop.
Another note is that the puppets are all, again let's say to some degree, not the 'core players' In other words, none of Harry, Spider, Deb, etc etc were puppeted. This to me shows at least one wolf who has some understanding of the 'lay of the land' as far as cliques/hierarchy sort of goes (not trying to be arrogant just give me a break with my language usage here )
Also along those lines, the wolves ate the sole player who was puppeted (Dr Hoo) though Im not 100% sure it 'counted'? Again, could just be a coincidence but also could be an indication of a tactical understanding of the rule set and how to play them. I think we have one formidable wolf in the group.
well the counter to all this, is the wolves really dont have much confidence in their strategy/feel for the ruleset and played it very safe (Hydra being the other non voter and the puppeted being the less agressive players)
Lastly, steves first comment 'I have no idea' usually triggers alarms in me, but Im wondering if this is one of those things I always find suspicious but it never ends up panning out.
This is an interesting situation, too interesting for people to not offer their thoughts on
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Doesn't SS have to vote for Hydra?
Oh yeah. The mod post came later. Let's try to do a different majority. dcf maybe? Holding off on the vote for now.
Edit: Voted dcf.
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Ooooooh! Nice!
Oh yeah. The mod post came later. Let's try to do a different majority. dcf maybe? Holding off on the vote for now.
Edit: Voted dcf.
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Ooooooh! Nice!
DCF has been puppeted, it makes less sense to shoot the puppeted players (doing the wolves a favor) if i understand the rules correctly.
Why the hurry to vote for DCF, without really explaining why at least?
debc1 voted for dcf525
HarryPutter voted for debc1
kzmonopoly voted for dcf525
LogicalRoger voted for kzmonopoly
mnkgyl voted for Hydra1234
musicneverdies voted for mnkgyl
sciencesteven voted for musicneverdies
The_Spider voted for catmandon
whoviandeb voted for HarryPutter
Im considering KZ as a possibility (not just as a knee jerk ) but holding off till later (if at all)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Why the hurry to vote for DCF, without really explaining why at least?
debc1 voted for dcf525
HarryPutter voted for debc1
kzmonopoly voted for dcf525
LogicalRoger voted for kzmonopoly
mnkgyl voted for Hydra1234
musicneverdies voted for mnkgyl
sciencesteven voted for musicneverdies
The_Spider voted for catmandon
whoviandeb voted for HarryPutter
Im considering KZ as a possibility (not just as a knee jerk ) but holding off till later (if at all)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The only reason I said I didn't know what was going on was because I hadn't analyzed the eating yet so I didn't know the playing field the round would be on.
Guess I have to change my vote to Hydra. *sigh*
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -MLK Jr.
Guess I have to change my vote to Hydra. *sigh*
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -MLK Jr.
kz seems a bit too eager with that suggestion.
I was wondering if the wolves were targeting Hydra for not showing up in round 1. But that makes Spider's point three stand out more. Hydra could be either.
There is a bit of strategy in ganging up on a player - and losing a wolf early would be less of a blow, especially if he's inactive. It's not something they would want to do later on.
I'm thinking if Hydra isn't around, I may join the puppets. It's no worse a move than shooting randomly, and there is some meat to it.
It's a disease, not a punch line
I was wondering if the wolves were targeting Hydra for not showing up in round 1. But that makes Spider's point three stand out more. Hydra could be either.
There is a bit of strategy in ganging up on a player - and losing a wolf early would be less of a blow, especially if he's inactive. It's not something they would want to do later on.
I'm thinking if Hydra isn't around, I may join the puppets. It's no worse a move than shooting randomly, and there is some meat to it.
It's a disease, not a punch line
Interesting. Very interesting. Hmmm. I just took a muscle relaxant for my bank. I'm going to vote for some as yet undetermined player. Changeable on my mind stop floating away.
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
I suggested to vote for dcf because the wolf could've hidden itself in plain sight. It was as good a vote as any.
BTW, if dcf doesn't come, he can't vote for hydra. Thats only a majority with 2.
Ooooooh! Nice!
BTW, if dcf doesn't come, he can't vote for hydra. Thats only a majority with 2.
Ooooooh! Nice!
Im not sure why your alluding to DCF not 'coming' a mere hours into the round, I would think deliberelty abstaining from voting/posting in a round in which you are puppeted is illegal, or at the very least extremely poor sportsmanship.
Anway my point is DCF is not as good as any, at least without evaulation, as I mentioned him being puppeted
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Anway my point is DCF is not as good as any, at least without evaulation, as I mentioned him being puppeted
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm here, I'm here, sheesh. Sorry, I was at work.
I guess I have no choice but to vote Hydra. Spider makes some good points, but I side with Who; when I was a lone wolf in a game of inactives, I purposely killed off the players less likely to return, out of sportsmanship- I still wanted a chance to play a decent game. Maybe that's the strategy here.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
I guess I have no choice but to vote Hydra. Spider makes some good points, but I side with Who; when I was a lone wolf in a game of inactives, I purposely killed off the players less likely to return, out of sportsmanship- I still wanted a chance to play a decent game. Maybe that's the strategy here.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
Will look into things more tmrw morning....think either the wolves are three less experienced players working the 'safe route' together. Or the wolves have a 'leader' who thought Hydra was the tactical move. My vote (for now) will go to KZ, he seems sort of like he has a plan/trap in mind, and he's not doing a good job of keeping his poker face, he's being a little too eager to lead us into it. I guess that's the best way to describe my feelings about his behavior.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I put in a SPV but need to read a lot..missed last half of last round..
will try to catch up..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
will try to catch up..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
Hey
Checking in
I don't know about little buddy, I think he is just thinking and it is always a possibility he could be right
mine was just an spv and is changeable
And who and dcf's point has validity
Yep I'm all over the place, maybe I am having a phantom reaction to cabs meds
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Checking in
I don't know about little buddy, I think he is just thinking and it is always a possibility he could be right
mine was just an spv and is changeable
And who and dcf's point has validity
Yep I'm all over the place, maybe I am having a phantom reaction to cabs meds
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caberet voted for mnkgyl
catmandon voted for The_Spider
dcf525 voted for Hydra1234
debc1 voted for dcf525
HarryPutter voted for debc1
kzmonopoly voted for dcf525
LogicalRoger voted for kzmonopoly
mnkgyl voted for Hydra1234
musicneverdies voted for mnkgyl
sciencesteven voted for Hydra1234
The_Spider voted for kzmonopoly
whoviandeb voted for HarryPutter
Interesting. The Hydra votes are still currently on top (barely), but we do have more time to hold on for that. I'm still keeping my vote for KZ as it seems plausible right now, but I should be able to check in the morning in case anything comes up.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
catmandon voted for The_Spider
dcf525 voted for Hydra1234
debc1 voted for dcf525
HarryPutter voted for debc1
kzmonopoly voted for dcf525
LogicalRoger voted for kzmonopoly
mnkgyl voted for Hydra1234
musicneverdies voted for mnkgyl
sciencesteven voted for Hydra1234
The_Spider voted for kzmonopoly
whoviandeb voted for HarryPutter
Interesting. The Hydra votes are still currently on top (barely), but we do have more time to hold on for that. I'm still keeping my vote for KZ as it seems plausible right now, but I should be able to check in the morning in case anything comes up.
Why didn't the Libertarian cross the road?
I thought about it a little...I really dont see how Hydra can be a wolf, it just seems way to bold a tactic, as much as we assign extremely cunning motive to the wolves, they usually shrink from the really dangerous tactics. Plus, again if I understand right?, the three wolves all had to be active in the TB for three puppets, so there was no need to assume Hydra was going to be a foregone conclusion of a shooting. I pay mind to Whovians comment, that Hydra could still be a good shooting, but I disagree, each and every single additional identity is worth a fortune in the middle/end game, and I think Hydra has a very strong chance of being human.
There are too many people content with an SPV in this situation, which really calls for some contribution to the competition of majority ideas/plans. Harry could be a good possibiility, as he states another majority is needed but leaves his vote on Deb (even amidst other majorities beginning to take root) When Deb is an unlikely candidate to generate a majority this round. Nevertheless, I'm not interested in enteratinin a Harry vote this early.
Will maintain vote, but will change as needed depending on the end of the round here.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
There are too many people content with an SPV in this situation, which really calls for some contribution to the competition of majority ideas/plans. Harry could be a good possibiility, as he states another majority is needed but leaves his vote on Deb (even amidst other majorities beginning to take root) When Deb is an unlikely candidate to generate a majority this round. Nevertheless, I'm not interested in enteratinin a Harry vote this early.
Will maintain vote, but will change as needed depending on the end of the round here.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
driving for a little while, will check in after....not a well played round
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Good lord peeps, locking a dcf vote I'm the chamber, but not pulling the trigger just yet
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Changing to kz to protect hydra
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Hmm... question now for me is do I make a tie or do I tip the scale?
Tip.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
Tip.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
Good bye cruel world.
Ooooooh! Nice!
Ooooooh! Nice!
Lol it will be a cruel world if you are human
Will keep my vote as is, not really convinced of the kaz vote, and dcf is in no danger
Not really getting anything yet.
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Will keep my vote as is, not really convinced of the kaz vote, and dcf is in no danger
Not really getting anything yet.
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changing vote..
will not make a tie,but with others help,It could be..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
will not make a tie,but with others help,It could be..
The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
Oh a shake up
As I said, I have no feelings one way or another as far as who is a wolf, it would be just a guess
Hydra staying inactive could bite us in the end
I would rather play with players than not
Ok
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As I said, I have no feelings one way or another as far as who is a wolf, it would be just a guess
Hydra staying inactive could bite us in the end
I would rather play with players than not
Ok
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So would i, unless they have 'stroooong' evidence they are human. Hydra was in a recent accident, he's typically active so it's too early to write him offml....this is kinda off bizarre by cat and deb
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
so do you really think kaz is a wolf?
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I think it's far and away more likely him than hydra, if you were voting dcf I wouldn't have an issue, but hydra almost has to be human, unless you are confident that the puppeting is some kind of hydra backed ploy, it seems to play into the wolves hands to shoot him (and if hydra truly is inactive, how could he have chosen s puppet? )
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
but do you really think kaz is a wolf?
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There is not enough info for me to confidently say that, so no, but he's my best guess, and I tend to read 'goodbye cruel worlds' as tacit surrender comments from wolves, but Im probably wrong. It's a best guess, but no I'm hrdly confident
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
dan, time is ticking
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going back to my original vote
(I think I was just puppeted)
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