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The Werewolf Game #2819

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #4

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:53AM Nov 6, 2012

RFM

Thanks Spider..

ICUB was a human. Running out of rounds to find them indians. Better hurry before it's too late.

Stewie


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 11:55AM Nov 6, 2012

Im pretty comfortable that Harry wasnt the seer so think we will be in good shape, especially if ICU was a wolf. Gonna SPV till we know for sure

Actually if the wolves thought Harry was the seer, Jayo might be a good candidate based on his reaction to Harry's 99.9% comment, SPV for Jayo, at least until we get ICU/Harry's IDs

Smithy also seems extremely 'hesitant' to contribute, at least deciseively.


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JayoAie


Posted: 02:40PM Nov 6, 2012

Plenty of reason for hesitation, especially with Stewie absent, it is essentially a blind game

I think my reaction to Harrys decisiveness was fair enough but I'm not gonna worry too much about an SPV

I'll peg one on Catmandon for now and see where things stand later with ID's and what not


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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:55PM Nov 6, 2012

Spid the only decisive contribution I could have made last round was voting to put you in a joint majority, would you rather I'd have done that?

Waiting for Stew for ID... and SPVing for now.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:19PM Nov 6, 2012

No I definitly would not have but I was keenly aware of who was online at the end with the power to put me in a tie (you and Masoni) and you seemed not to want to make a final stance at the end, same as masoni. Now granted ICU took herself out with a few minutes left to spare, but figured youd atleast offer a final word haha. Even if from my perspective, no news was good news.

Let the games, begin!
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Smithy*en


Posted: 03:53PM Nov 6, 2012

I did actually write a post at the end of last round but ICU managed to end the round before I posted it. Suffice to say her petulance was rather frustrating, but my post was words to the effect of "you have done nothing to warrant saving, and there is nothing concrete against spid" so I wasn't going to make a dramatic stand anyway.

There's a few people that need to help us out by speaking up a little more... cat, ching, Jayo, tell us your secrets.


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catmandonAus


Posted: 04:16PM Nov 6, 2012

It looks like the night timed out.. ..
The only one not to vote last round was Mason88..
My SPV goes there..

Someone tell me something to change my vote..


The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
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GreenApples27*nz


Posted: 04:45PM Nov 6, 2012

I think Jayo's reaction to Harry's post was really out of the blue and so with an ID revelation lacking, I will put my vote on Jayo for now. Stewie, you really should post ID's even at night of who was shot. You're delaying the entire game.
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debc1A


Posted: 05:41PM Nov 6, 2012

i am here
going for apples for now
subject to change...maybe more than once
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masoni88*ca


Posted: 07:24PM Nov 6, 2012

Sorry about last round guys. My computer refused to connect to the internet for more than 5 minutes at a time. I believe I fixed it now, but we'll see... Anyways, in Stewie's absence, I think that ICU may have been a wolf simply because (at least when i used to be on Braingle) she would constantly be eaten first round. I cannot say if this has changed or not, but I suppose we'll find out sooner or later. I was a little suspicious of GA last round, as I said, but after reading over last round and this round it seems as though he's human, though I can't say for sure. Jayo seems human to me. Possibly Smithy as a wolf. I think deb is normally more active than she's being, so she could be a wolf. Catmandon possibly. And I think Spider is human, though again, I can't be sure.

EDIT: SPV for SirHar


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:43PM Nov 6, 2012

Looks like we're playing the wait for Stewie game again...I guess pending posts from Har and Ching I got nothing really much else to add..Not really sure who I suspect, maybe some allotment of

Jayo, Cat, Smithy, Mason...Ching? though like I said I still doubt Jayo and Smithy are a COMBO..on the other hand, Deb is likely human, same as Green and Har, but will try not to prematurley lock myself into anything?

See yous tommorow with a fresh set of IDs I hope


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debc1A


Posted: 10:30PM Nov 6, 2012

well no new is bad news
as far as my activity i said i think in round 0 that this is my busy season at work
i am thinking apples and smithy, ching and dan
jayo is a possibility also, if human why make a point of asking a possible seer
mason and cat not feeling it
sir well to be totally honest never really played with him since he usually first to go
the eating of harry was unexpected but with jayo's questioning might have raised a red flag to the wolves
innocent or not it is still suspect
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catmandonAus


Posted: 11:14PM Nov 6, 2012



The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 05:58AM Nov 7, 2012

So ICU was human, still not sure that really changes my view on Jayo, easy enough to say 'why are we shooting ICU' to stay out of the majority (a little of what Harry calls the Persistent Defender tactic haha) and then throwing vote on me, trying to sort of make me look suspicous by being in such a close majority..if that makes sense? Gonna keep my vote now anyway but will reconsider later, could really use info from the seer at this point though.

Let the games, begin!
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Smithy*en


Posted: 06:42AM Nov 7, 2012

Hmmm... drifting again. Tactically it "might" be better to wait another round, but then that's running the risk of getting eaten or leaving it to must-lynch, and not allowing enough time... time for the hand grenade.

Spider is a wolf and ching and GA are human.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 06:58AM Nov 7, 2012


You didnt change your vote though, are you "testing me" or something, to 'divine' me it would have had to be last round and that would have been incredibly reckless seeing how masoni was on to potentially shoot me, along with any other vote changers. I don't know what the purpose of this hand grenade really is, cause Im pretty sure I know who the seer is and if you were wolf youd be much better off trying it against them...unless you think Im the seer?


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Smithy*en


Posted: 06:59AM Nov 7, 2012

Separate post because this is now my ignorant conjecture rather than Seer knowledge...

We're left with two wolves out of Cat, Deb, Jayo, masoni and Har.

Cat, Deb and Jayo were all voting spid last round. Deb and cat voted pretty early, Jayo only voted to make it 6-5 near the end but with some comment about wanting to see if there was any "jumping around" which might have given him excuse to switch away again if spider got in trouble. But it seems a bit risky...

Deb's been pushing the "spider's people" approach all game, not sure she would keep mentioning him so often if she was a wolf. Personally I would put her low down on the list of those five. I'm not really sure how Cat normally plays but his early vote (in terms of the majority) for spider last round may push him down the list also. Har is basically MIA so I guess sort of neutral. Jayo's been absent for most of the game too other than his vote late last round, which I'm not sure what to make of. Masoni's probably a good shout for one of the other wolves.


EDIT: I divined you first round, that was why I was trying to get ICU to give me ANY reason to vote to save her given that nobody had really actually given much of a reason against you. A vote for you with no justification available would have given me away as seer with only a 50-50 chance of even getting you shot. (I know you know I'm telling the truth anyway, but it's a reasonable doubt for anyone else to have so thought I should explain it.)


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:12AM Nov 7, 2012

That doesnt make any sense either though Smithy. Harry challenged me in round one and you responded with...

The main reason spiddlyboo is acting differently is that he's playing rather than moderating


As the seer, the first rule of thumb is to leave no ambiguity about your divinations. If you had been eaten in the night thats a dangerous thing to leave behind as a seer. If you divined me why not say nothing? I think you are greatly overestimating how 'obvious' it would be that you were the seer by tying up a vote in Round 3, people come up with half baked reasons for voting all the time, saving a wolf is pretty unrealistic in that scenario and simply an excuse for lying about when you say you divined me.

You tend to throw out 'grenades' to test people a lot so I thought you were trying to stir the pot this round, but your persistance means you have to be a wolf and you thought I was the seer. Notice you only came out once I called Deb, Har and Green humans...trying to get me shot first after piggy backing off of what you thought might have been my divinations?


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Smithy*en


Posted: 07:34AM Nov 7, 2012

There's no way even the most ardent of conspiracy theorists would have taken that comment as anything other than an inane joke.

I may frequently conjure up incorrect reasoning, but never unexplained or baseless reasoning. In the absence of any strong reason to either shoot you or save ICU, it would have been uncharacteristic of me to then even up the tie, and would have certainly alerted you to my identity, as well as probably your fellow wolves.

I often vote outside of MoO to stir up activity but I have never false seer-claimed or done anything else of this magnitude. In fact I often mention how I like to play it as simple as possible.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 07:45AM Nov 7, 2012

Well, I dont know if I would call it simply an inane joke, as it was a valid point, Ive played like one WWG in two months. Even so, as seer, throwing dirt on one of your divinations is not very smart, when, British wit or not, the payoff isnt much.

Again, you are trying to paint your actions in Round 3 as legitimate fair as a seer when its just ridiculous. If you are the seer in round 3 and a DIVINED WOLF can be tied up you find a reason to make a vote switch. Suggesting that you would let, what would be an almost certain human get shot over me doesnt make sense, no seer would do that, not in those circumstances.

In regards to you playing simple and not false claiming, I dont know how to address that, assuming it's true. Maybe you have never been in this position and you thought it made sense. I dont know what to say, but presumably you took a chance thinking Im the seer and it backfired, or at least I hope it will as your obviously not the seer


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Smithy*en


Posted: 07:52AM Nov 7, 2012

If I had voted for you and got the best case scenario - i.e. ICU was a human, computer selected to shoot you - then the remaining wolves should have eaten me for basically clearing myself and probably being the seer anyway. Add to that the fact that ICU was far from certain to be human, and that the computer could have selected to save you, then the possible benefit didn't really outweigh the far more likely costs.

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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:11AM Nov 7, 2012

You're trying to overplay your the rational robot type to justify your obvious lie about divining me. Youve tied me up for NO reason in a previous game when we were both humans (in round 3, i remember it well haha), and luckily my reaction saved me So this idea that you are above superficial votes is nonsense. You posted with quite a few hours left in the round, if I was a wolf and you really had divined me, you could have EASILY thrown in a waffley vote for me, and retracted if needed.

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Smithy*en


Posted: 08:30AM Nov 7, 2012


Come on, you should be above using the phrase "obvious lie about divining me".

It's true that I probably should have acted more decisively last round but I was wary of exposing myself (a very sensible thing to be wary of in any situation). You've played and moderated enough games to know that "your strategy was not optimum for that role, therefore that can't be your role" doesn't really hold up in practice.

This is all pretty pointless seeing as we both know which one of us is right, so I'll just wait for others' comments now.


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 08:36AM Nov 7, 2012

Im not sure what you mean, maybe its more obvious to me than it is to others since I know you are lying, but it should be fairly obvious. You can backpeddle all you want but your story about your actions in Round 3 don't make any sense. There's a tendency for people to blindly follow seer claims in these games, and even though your claim shouldnt be very believable, people will tend not to see it that way. What the hell do you want me to do exaclty???

and Im not abve ANYTHING when Im in danger of being shot!!


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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:17AM Nov 7, 2012

I don't want you to do anything besides get shot.

If I wasn't the Seer, why would I pretend to be? I respect you as a player but I sure as heck wouldn't use such kamikaze tactics just to get you shot.


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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:21AM Nov 7, 2012

I already explained that, you must have thought I was and tried to preemptively shoot me which would put the game in must lynch..its a one to one trade and a good gambit

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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:33AM Nov 7, 2012

On the basis of you saying you thought three people were likely human?! In that case everyone in this game is the Seer! I would hardly think such weak basis for seer-suspicion would be enough for me to tackle you off a cliff.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 09:37AM Nov 7, 2012

You never know what clues people in to a potential seer....but its in the hands of the people now..so ill be quiet, at least until they start voting me

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Smithy*en


Posted: 09:40AM Nov 7, 2012

The bit where it says "you are the seer" is always a pretty big clue though.

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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catmandonAus


Posted: 10:32AM Nov 7, 2012

just marking this spot so I don't have to re-read this later..

The early bird gets the worm,but the second rat gets the cheese..
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JayoAie


Posted: 12:37PM Nov 7, 2012

What a round this has turned out to be, I'll give it my full attention when I get home from work

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Smithy*en


Posted: 02:22PM Nov 7, 2012

All that action and that's the only response we've got so far?!

YOUR MOM SPIDER


"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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ka-ching


Posted: 03:11PM Nov 7, 2012

Geez louise. Yay two day rounds

secrets? I have nothing for you. My motivation to participate in this game is a solid zero. Sorry for my silence.

NOW. down to business. haha Come now, Dannio, give it up. It sounds like you're licked. Seriously reaching, here. haha This is Smithy. He doesn't claim Seer for the heck of it.

oooo-kay. time to actually put it down to a vote.
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masoni88*ca


Posted: 03:47PM Nov 7, 2012

Okay, I guess I'll vote Spider as well. Here's hoping Smithy really is the Seer....
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The_SpiderAus


Posted: 03:51PM Nov 7, 2012

Alright jig is up, I have no idea why Ching is sticking it to me for trying, my defense was quite unique and Smithy and I had fun even if it was a futile cause...Good luck wolfeys

This has been inactive enough can we move this along please


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Smithy*en


Posted: 04:00PM Nov 7, 2012

Yeah I thought it was a valiant effort on your part... at least you contributed to the game!

"They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?" "No man, they got the metric system. The wouldn't know what a Quarter Pounder is."
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debc1A


Posted: 04:04PM Nov 7, 2012

what a beating
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JayoAie


Posted: 04:04PM Nov 7, 2012

Back from work and ready to pull the trigger ;)
Nice one Smithy


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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