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The Werewolf Game #2821

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This game is moderated by 21kaldridge21. Please read the rules and contact the moderator with any questions or concerns about this game.

Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #8

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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 07:45PM Nov 12, 2012

Thank you snowmonster

Good game everyone and congrats on the win wolves

By the way during the game their was one rule broken by Babyjuice and chunnie after chunnie had been shot mrsblondie seen them in the chat and Babyjuice asked chunnie if he was a wolf but I don't know if chunnie answered and really didn't know what to do.


So do we want to try this again


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RhythmicAus


Posted: 08:03PM Nov 12, 2012

Sure wish I would have wised up earlier. Oh well. Good game all!

"For me, the saxophone is a way of expression" - Kenneth Thomson
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chunnieAtt


Posted: 08:12PM Nov 12, 2012

Congrats, wolves. Thanks for modding, kaldridge.


I have some lingering questions....


Why did the seer divine herself during the last night?

Why didn't the seer attempt to inform the humans that christiangrl was a wolf after she divined her?

Why did the seer claim snowmonster was human when she never divined her?
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 08:15PM Nov 12, 2012

I feel like we would've done better if cg and redbob were a little more active.

Elios did a great job. Im not sure what I would have thought of HABS if I were around longer. Overall good job.


Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
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babyjuice


Posted: 08:20PM Nov 12, 2012

Totally had HABS pinned...

Just coudlnt explain it
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 08:23PM Nov 12, 2012

koin_era345 wrote:
I feel like we would've done better if cg and redbob were a little more active. .


Redbob being inactive the one round was why we switched tactics and stopped voting inactives. We needed an excuse to have allowed redbob to live; lucky for us, there was a lot of questioning of our methods so that gave us a way to blame the humans for our attacking the active players.

Bookworm would have known that Snowy was a human if they were both in the talkbox.
Book, your claim that neither seer nor you did anything wrong makes sense now.

babyjuice wrote:
Totally had HABS pinned...

Just coudlnt explain it


Baby, you ALWAYS think I'm a wolf, you had to be right eventually.


---This message was edited on 2012-11-12 20:25:45---

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bookworm4godtus


Posted: 08:26PM Nov 12, 2012

Here are my answers to your questions chunnie:

1) I thought it was hopeless, and I kinda wanted to see what would happen if I divined myself.

2) Honestly, I was having a crazy hard time finding identities, so about round 4, the MOD said to tell her who I divined and she would tell me who they were. I couldn't find the spot where it told me identities, so I think I had snowmonster and CG mixed up at one point.

3) I thought I did divine snowmonster, but I couldn't remember every single person, so I guessed.


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bookworm4godtus


Posted: 08:29PM Nov 12, 2012

HABS: Told ya. I really did PM myself, but it didn't work. I didn't want to be lying, and I wasn't communicating to other players, so I think it worked out though.

I'm surprised no one got the clues.


If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 08:34PM Nov 12, 2012

Called habs!

Haha, too bad we lost. The reason I voted for myself, if you guys were wondering:

Well, I thought Bj was the seer at that point, because of her posts from that round...and I didn't want her to get shot from the tie. Also I had gone the whole round thinking I would get shot and I kinda felt like I should, sort of...? And I came on when it said "0 mins left" and I had about 3 seconds to decide b/c I thought it would time out.

I'm not good at split-second decisions.

Anyway, good game wolves! We didn't get a single one of you...we failed...

Giving the wolves a TB makes it too easy for them. -_-

Great game though!


"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 08:38PM Nov 12, 2012

And what? I was divined Round 1! Why was I never invited to the seer TB? Life sucks sometimes. Just a game, though, right?

"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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christiangrltus


Posted: 08:39PM Nov 12, 2012

It was good. I would have been more active, but I didn't really have much to add each round.

While we were chatting away I forgot to tell you something. I'm brilliant.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 08:43PM Nov 12, 2012

Yeah, I thought I was supposed to be invited once I died

Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
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Izzie*


Posted: 08:55PM Nov 12, 2012

chunnie wrote:


Why didn't the seer attempt to inform the humans that christiangrl was a wolf after she divined her?
because they are the same person


˙ǝızzı(p) ¿y ahora? the new refrigerator came. If you need me, i will be playing in the box.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 08:56PM Nov 12, 2012

bookworm4god wrote:
HABS: Told ya. I really did PM myself, but it didn't work. I didn't want to be lying, and I wasn't communicating to other players, so I think it worked out though. .


lol, yeah you did. When you said that though, I thought for sure that Buu had to be the seer. I was very upset over the fact that not only had he apparently broken the rules by PM'ing you, but that he had also apparently lied about never being boss. We checked the Database and know he has been boss once. ..

Ah well, it all worked out in the end, and we (wolves) won!!


Be sure to follow you dreams; otherwise you'll end up working for someone who had the guts to follow his.
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21kaldridge21Aus


Posted: 09:01PM Nov 12, 2012

Kitty bookworm didn't tell me each round who she divined and I asked her round 4 if she could remember who she divined and she said she thought she had divined buu, izzie, and snow when she actually divined you, baby, and Christian but could not remember so I add those people because I didn't know who she divined and there was no way of finding out.

Koin I only have a free account so there is a limit of 10 people that I can add to the box and I am counted as 1 so I could not add all divined players and and dead humans to the box.


I'm back
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:22PM Nov 12, 2012

Wait a minute - christiangirl and bookworm4god are the same person!!!!!!! If so, that's cheating, big time.

We didn't have a chance.

Congrats to the wolves. If we had shot Elios instead of Rythmic, we would have had a slight chance.


Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:28PM Nov 12, 2012

looks like we had it with elios. well played wolves.
cg and bw4god are same?


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MrsBlondieAus


Posted: 10:56PM Nov 12, 2012

Izzie wrote:
chunnie wrote:


Why didn't the seer attempt to inform the humans that christiangrl was a wolf after she divined her?
because they are the same person


My thoughts exactly ... You can say whatever you want to but I have seen it MANY times --- first one will post then the other. Oh, so glad you both have the same date of birth.

Yes this is CHEATING.

Kinda like a couple other people that play in their games. Won't play with JJ anymore either cause guess who his girl friend is --- caseyjj.

Won't play with Wyse anymore either -- he just flat out cheats by PMing players during the game.

Anyway .....

Thanks for the game --- 21kaldridge21!!!


---This message was edited on 2012-11-12 23:02:05---
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PYTHON*


Posted: 03:12AM Nov 13, 2012

Well played wolves!
I think I have previously been told that Christiangirl and Bookworm were twins or something. For you to play the one game as two different people is completely wrong and a not very 'CHRISTIAN' thing to do. If you divined yourself as a wolf and failed to notify anyone about it then you have failed in your role as the Seer. No harm to you 21K, but CG/Bookworm has kinda ruined the game. I am up for playing it again, minus those with multiple accounts.


How many accounts do you have on Braingle?
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 05:04AM Nov 13, 2012

She told me that they were twin sisters and that she had "forogot" to log off and that Bookworm had seen she was a wofl, but wouldn't say anything.
I immediately considered that they were the same person, and checked the profiles. A LOT of similarities, MANY MORE than I have with any of my 4 siblings. And I know several sets of twins who are nothing alike so she can't even claim it is a twin thing"
IF this really is the case guys, I'm sorry, I had no idea.
I too have players I won't play with, and I was going to add buu to that list. I was ranting about hs perceived cheat and CG kept defending him saying we didn't know for sure NOW it makes sense
Guess we didn't win after all
But as I said in the game
"I'd rather lose honorably, than win by deceit"


Be sure to follow you dreams; otherwise you'll end up working for someone who had the guts to follow his.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 05:27AM Nov 13, 2012

I'm not happy that babyjuice asked chunnie if he were a wolf in chat either. I have a few as well, that I will not play with any longer. Moderators - take note!

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:20AM Nov 13, 2012

I find it interesting how many humans say they knew I was a wolf, yet there was no coming together as a team to get rid of me. :-) I too would like to play again with out those who can't follow the tules. This w

Be sure to follow you dreams; otherwise you'll end up working for someone who had the guts to follow his.
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MrsBlondieAus


Posted: 06:26AM Nov 13, 2012

@ 21kaldridge21: I think the way Rythmic works the seer TB is that the SEER MUST PM him who they have divined BEFORE the round ends or -- too bad no possibility of an additional player in the TB this round
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 07:47AM Nov 13, 2012

I didn't know you were a wolf HABS but after awhile I started suspecting you, but suspected Elios more. I was in the seer tb, and we urged the seer to come forward with who she had divined, so all the humans left in the game could work together. We knew there was only one round left. We almost got enough players to vote for Elios, but even the seer did not. . . . . . We were fighting a losing battle. At some point, Buu, said he was going to go ahead and state who was known to be human, which he did, but we still had no idea that CG had been divined and was a wolf. We had NO IDEA. Otherwise, we would have voted for her.

I don't like playing with people that have the attitude - "lighten up, this is just a game, if we lose, so what, let's just have fun". . . . . . . her words, give or take a word or so. . . . and I'm not kidding. People look forward to these games, and expect them to be played honestly, fairly and respectfully. Sure, it's a game, but time and energy has been put into these games, especially by the moderator. The mod deserves more respect than this - but really though, all active, good players do too.

For those interested, I've started a WW game.


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PYTHON*


Posted: 08:47AM Nov 13, 2012

I understand what you mean Snowy, about people who say its only a game. I say it in the context that there is no point falling out with each other or getting personal over nothing. But like you I come to each game for the purpose of trying to get my side to win but if I don't, its not the end of the world. Is your invite an open one by the way?

How many accounts do you have on Braingle?
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EliosAus


Posted: 08:58AM Nov 13, 2012

Yay wolves! Well, not to sound too stuck up, but "Yay HABS & Elios" more like. We were really the only two using the TB to its full potential. Bob did participate a bit but cg forgot about the "Game Discussion" box until the last round or two. It was difficult at first to even know who we were going to eat at night - a couple times, I was as surprised as the Humans. HABS is a great tactician!

I've only ever modded 1 WWG, so I didn't know the Mod had no clue who the Seer was divining. That's kind of a weak point in the game design. Can the Seer look back in past rounds' voting lists to see who they divined in previous rounds..?

christiangirl and bookworm may be twins, but even so they're still held to the rules of the game: no outside talking. It shouldn't matter if cg left the game open, bookworm shouldn't be looking at her account. I mean really: it says right up at the top of the page who is currently logged in. What page could cg have possibly left open that makes it easy to see she was a wolf without clicking and investigating? My sister & I are as close as twins (despite being 6 yrs apart) but we would never disrespect each other's privacy; not to mention the rights of the other players involved to have a fair, fun game. Accidents happen, but no matter the truth in this case, it's very disappointing.

All that said, thank you random chance for shooting Rhy!


"An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." - Chesterton
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:27AM Nov 13, 2012

PYTHON, my game is private, but you are on my friends list.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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glowingredbobAgb


Posted: 09:36AM Nov 13, 2012

I've been really busy with school lately, so I haven't had much time to be on. I promise I usually do better, but with finals coming up I've been SO STRESSED.

Sarcastic is the one word that defines me.
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buu441Ain


Posted: 10:33AM Nov 13, 2012

@habs: most people has suspicion about you being wolf. more based on instinct. no one had proper points against you

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PYTHON*


Posted: 10:48AM Nov 13, 2012

Well then Snowy, I will sign up to your game if thats ok?

How many accounts do you have on Braingle?
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 12:37PM Nov 13, 2012

Of course that's ok!

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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chunnieAtt


Posted: 02:41PM Nov 13, 2012

I was told a while ago that bookworm and cg were in fact the same person, but I was willing to give "them" the benefit of the doubt. If anything, this game confirmed to me that it is in fact true. I agree with Python... bookworm/cg kinda ruined the game.


As to me and babyjuice, yes, I did tell her that I was human, but I did so only after I was shot and only because you were revealing identities, kaldridge. I wouldn't have done anything to give her an unfair advantage in the game. And I assure you, that's all we discussed about the game. I apologize to those who may feel upset by it.


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 03:55PM Nov 13, 2012

Buu, I know a few ppl suspected me, but at no time did more than one person vote for me (which worked out well for the wolves). Personally, I don't find Chumnie answering BJ after he was already shot, and was going to be revealed as human anyway, nearly as upsetting as I do the fact BJ asked him, knowing full well the rule prohibited it.
Thanks to all who played the game and played within the rules.


Be sure to follow you dreams; otherwise you'll end up working for someone who had the guts to follow his.
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 04:48PM Nov 13, 2012

Doesn't the cg/book thing seem a little too obvious? If it was one person they would try to disguise it (ie. not post directly after each other). Not proof of anything, just an observation.

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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:16PM Nov 13, 2012

koin, this is not the first time that the BW/CG thing has been brought up. And she may or may not try to hide it, maybe she figured no one would catch on. And they don't always post right after each other. I found it most interesting that in the TB she brought up several times that we didn't know for sure that buu was the seer (both Elios and I were pretty confident he was) and that there was no proof that he had lied in the memo (which as it turns out since he was not the seer, he didn't). I believe that they are one in the same. IT would seem odd that at no time did BW ever vote for any wolf at all. Even when others were doing so. BW could have won the game for you guys had she gone along with the vote on Elios, but for some reason she chose not too. Perhaps because she knew from round 1 who was a wolf. Just sayin'
And isn't it a bit odd that neither of them has addressed those accusations? Were I accused of something of which i was innocent, I'd at least protest a bit, whether or not ppl believed me


Be sure to follow you dreams; otherwise you'll end up working for someone who had the guts to follow his.
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babyjuice


Posted: 07:10PM Nov 13, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
I'm not happy that babyjuice asked chunnie if he were a wolf in chat either. I have a few as well, that I will not play with any longer. Moderators - take note!


Im sorry guys :/. I didn't actually know I wasn't allowed since he was already dead...

. I didn't mean to get in trouble...I just wanted to know...
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koin_era345tus


Posted: 07:14PM Nov 13, 2012

@HABS I dont believe either has been online today to have a chance to respond.

Happy ever after in the marketplace, Desmond lets the children lend a hand. Molly stays at home and does her pretty face, and in the evening she's the singer with the band!
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christiangrltus


Posted: 07:25PM Nov 13, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
Wait a minute - christiangirl and bookworm4god are the same person!!!!!!! If so, that's cheating, big time.

We didn't have a chance.

Congrats to the wolves. If we had shot Elios instead of Rythmic, we would have had a slight chance.


WAAAAAIT a minute. book and I are TWINS. We live in the same house, we share MY computer and birthdays... Why do you think we are the same person???


While we were chatting away I forgot to tell you something. I'm brilliant.
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christiangrltus


Posted: 07:33PM Nov 13, 2012

And to add to that, twins CAN be alike. We both enjoy band, b/c my elementary school didn't offer orchestra. We both play piano, b/c my parents want us too. We both like to read... why is that so bad? Is it wrong that we both enjoy our family and friends, church and youth group?

I admit it. I knew book was the Seer, and she knew I was a wolf. I forgot to log out one afternoon, and she saw, and I read over her shoulder that evening. I have no idea where you people are getting your info, but I suggest you think through this better!

And was it wrong I was trying to help my team in the TB by suggesting that maybe buu was not cheating?


While we were chatting away I forgot to tell you something. I'm brilliant.
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 08:05PM Nov 13, 2012

snowmonster wrote:
I don't like playing with people that have the attitude - "lighten up, this is just a game, if we lose, so what, let's just have fun". . . . . . . her words, give or take a word or so. . . . and I'm not kidding. People look forward to these games, and expect them to be played honestly, fairly and respectfully. Sure, it's a game, but time and energy has been put into these games, especially by the moderator. The mod deserves more respect than this - but really though, all active, good players do too.


I'm sorry if that offended you. That wasn't really what I meant. I really do look forward to these games too. The reason I said that was that people were questioning why I wasn't upset about being shot. I wasn't trying to say that it didn't matter who won or lost. I also wasn't trying to downplay the efforts of the mod. I put a lot of thought into the games I play. I really just meant that I wasn't upset about being shot in this specific game, because when I said that there wasn't anything I could do to affect that happening. It's hard to convey meaning online, with no usage of body language or voice inflections. I really didn't mean to offend anybody, so sorry if I did.


"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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babyjuice


Posted: 08:39PM Nov 13, 2012

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bookworm4godtus


Posted: 08:50PM Nov 13, 2012

koin_era345 wrote:
@HABS I dont believe either has been online today to have a chance to respond.


THANK YOU KOIN. Geez! I log on today and here half of this game is talking trash about me and CG! That's a strong accusation to be making, and you have no basis for argument. How did WE ruin the game? WE didn't do anything wrong. Granted, I was a pretty bad Seer, but give me a break. I'm still somewhat new here, and this is my first time being a Seer. I couldn't find the place where it said who I had cleared, and I still don't know where it is! Hiding in plain sight, probably. Nonetheless, that is no reason to make such accusations about the two of us. It's rather childish, really. "It's all her fault!" "She started it!" "I didn't do anything!"

What I can tell is that your arguments consist of:

"first one will post then the other... Yes this is CHEATING" We share the SAME computer. How many times have we said it? One will get on, then the other. Are you REALLY going to call us cheaters on that?

"A LOT of similarities, MANY MORE than I have with any of my 4 siblings. And I know several sets of twins who are nothing alike so she can't even claim it is a twin thing" Seriously? We're ALIKE? Twins aren't always different! They can be somewhat similar! There is no valid fact in that!

"no outside talking. It shouldn't matter if cg left the game open, bookworm shouldn't be looking at her account." Things happen! I opened the computer up, and CG was in the bosses TB, apparently reading things over. (She had to leave for a debate thing, and was probably in a hurry or something) I wanted to see where I was, and I saw the title, leading be to believe she was a wolf. THAT IS NOT MY FAULT. That isn't her fault either. I did not purposely go looking for identities. When I saw that it was her account and not mine, I logged out, and I decided I would clear her later, but, like I said, I was still having trouble finding my clears, and I forgot she was the last one I cleared.

"I was told a while ago that bookworm and cg were in fact the same person, but I was willing to give "them" the benefit of the doubt. If anything, this game confirmed to me that it is in fact true" Who told you? And how exactly did that confirm your suspicions? Really? Just a guess maybe? Instinct/Gut feeling? What FACT?

"And she may or may not try to hide it, maybe she figured no one would catch on. And they don't always post right after each other. I found it most interesting that in the TB she brought up several times that we didn't know for sure that buu was the seer" Why would we try to hide it? What sense would that make? And, of course, it's odd for someone to contradict the common thought. I like to say that I know my sister better than any of you, and she loves her logic. She always wants proof, fact, something SOLID. What's so bad about saying something like "Maybe buu isn't the seer?" "Or maybe we are thinking about this to hard... the answer is probably in plain sight." I don't think anything is weird about that. Looks like she was trying to help her team.

"IT would seem odd that at no time did BW ever vote for any wolf at all" Really? I didn't vote for a wolf? Is that really so strange? Out of 15 players, 4 are wolves. The game only lasted 7 rounds. I think there are many people who don't at least vote a wolf every few games.

"BW could have won the game for you guys had she gone along with the vote on Elios, but for some reason she chose not too." I ONLY KNEW CG WAS A WOLF. The first post was made by the MOD, then the title said "bosses TB" or something to that effect, I put 2 and 2 together and logged out of CG's account when I realized what I seeing. I didn't want to know. I don't like cheaters either. Plus, I don't think I was either on when you chose to vote Elios, and ANYBODY could have changed their vote. The fact that humans lost is NOT my fault. Blame can be put on anyone who didn't vote Elios.

"And isn't it a bit odd that neither of them has addressed those accusations" Been at school. We have lives, you know. Got home at about 6 today. There is no way we could have addressed these things. You should have at LEAST waited 24 hours before pointing that out.

I think I defended my points fairly well.


If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
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bookworm4godtus


Posted: 08:54PM Nov 13, 2012

And 21K, I think everyone here owes you an apology for turning your WWG into a heated debate. It was a really good game though.

If God is watching us, the least we can do is be entertaining.
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babyjuice


Posted: 11:28PM Nov 13, 2012

And I think what book is trying to say is that accusations and complaints hurt.

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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:41AM Nov 14, 2012

kitty-cat wrote:
snowmonster wrote:
I don't like playing with people that have the attitude - "lighten up, this is just a game, if we lose, so what, let's just have fun". . . . . . . her words, give or take a word or so. . . . and I'm not kidding. People look forward to these games, and expect them to be played honestly, fairly and respectfully. Sure, it's a game, but time and energy has been put into these games, especially by the moderator. The mod deserves more respect than this - but really though, all active, good players do too.


I'm sorry if that offended you. That wasn't really what I meant. I really do look forward to these games too. The reason I said that was that people were questioning why I wasn't upset about being shot. I wasn't trying to say that it didn't matter who won or lost. I also wasn't trying to downplay the efforts of the mod. I put a lot of thought into the games I play. I really just meant that I wasn't upset about being shot in this specific game, because when I said that there wasn't anything I could do to affect that happening. It's hard to convey meaning online, with no usage of body language or voice inflections. I really didn't mean to offend anybody, so sorry if I did.


kitty-cat, I was not referring to what you had said, but rather what the seer said in the tb. I'm sorry if I've reacted to the outcome to this game so harshly, I just feel the seer wasn't on the humans side. Considering we only had one round left to get a wolf, and she wasn't willing to reveal all her findings within the game, pretty much lost us the game. Games like this happen, but I will be more careful with who I play with. I wasn't upset with you at all.

Also, the moderator for this game did a great job, and their effort to put forth a solid game is appreciated.


---This message was edited on 2012-11-14 10:43:28---

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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kitty-cattus


Posted: 01:53PM Nov 14, 2012

Okay, I didn't know about that. I said something similar in whatever round I got shot in, and so I thought you were talking about me.

BTW, I want to join your new WWG.


"I'm through accepting limits cause someone says they're so. Some things I cannot change, but til I try I'll never know." -Wicked
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