The Werewolf Game
Game #3217: Offensive Defense
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This game finished in 8 rounds.
Shot a human and the seer is still alive.
Everything else is open for interpretation
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Everything else is open for interpretation
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
SPV until hear from harry
think in the spirit of the game, we should be a little more aggressive with ideas early (at least so its not a dead giveaway who the dogs are). Will standby for now though
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
think in the spirit of the game, we should be a little more aggressive with ideas early (at least so its not a dead giveaway who the dogs are). Will standby for now though
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
SPV for Fint. Subject to change as always.
Harry said at the end of last round that Jess was human. We're down one and hopefully deb wasn't our seer. SPV for Way.
I feel I have a good idea on at least one. Will continue to let that stew until we have IDs. Would the dogs being exposed be such a bad thing? At least the false agenda would be transparent.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Or perhaps that's not in the spirit of the game
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Well in my view
I think Waylander is probably human, unless he is partnered with Sky, and the little jab (about Sky protecting Jess) was meant to establish some very early wolf crossfire, otherwise, its risky to make himself into a provocateur so early. I think everything points to him riding a wave of enthusiasm from last game and he's being a little too impatient, thinking the game can be solved in Round 1.
No real suspicions, but if you put a gun to my head, I would say whovian best bet for wolf, the way she reacted to Way's post (same one I just mentioned) had that lighthearted, deflective type vibe that wolves give to assuage 'aggressive humans'.
Im uncertain about the Deb eating, can't draw any meaningful conclusions from it, maybe someone like Cub/Sophie, but just a wild stab, no real reason.
You heard it hear first
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I think Waylander is probably human, unless he is partnered with Sky, and the little jab (about Sky protecting Jess) was meant to establish some very early wolf crossfire, otherwise, its risky to make himself into a provocateur so early. I think everything points to him riding a wave of enthusiasm from last game and he's being a little too impatient, thinking the game can be solved in Round 1.
No real suspicions, but if you put a gun to my head, I would say whovian best bet for wolf, the way she reacted to Way's post (same one I just mentioned) had that lighthearted, deflective type vibe that wolves give to assuage 'aggressive humans'.
Im uncertain about the Deb eating, can't draw any meaningful conclusions from it, maybe someone like Cub/Sophie, but just a wild stab, no real reason.
You heard it hear first
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Actually, I was thinking precisely the opposite. His style is vastly different to the round 1 of the last game. It's actually quite stark. In an almost Jekyll and Hyde kind of way. The notion that he can only be one if I am is a reach to say the least based on one innocuous interaction.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Well maybe it's a bit of an overstatement, but I think the core of it's correct. Wolves don't usually stand out in Round 1's (unless they do as humans and have to mimic it). Just throwing things on the table for now
actually on reread way was far less involved than the impression I had, but still, the 'aggression' still I think stems from impatience at trying to solve things too quickly. Might read a little of snows game to see if trends stick out
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
actually on reread way was far less involved than the impression I had, but still, the 'aggression' still I think stems from impatience at trying to solve things too quickly. Might read a little of snows game to see if trends stick out
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I can't tell if you're being legit or not. But I guess that's the danger this game (in terms of attack/defend dogs not wolf/human)
I'd like to hear others thoughts on way, but don't want to obsess over him in round 2.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I'd like to hear others thoughts on way, but don't want to obsess over him in round 2.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Im hamming it up a bit, but I still lean human on Way
will stand back until more people emerge
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
will stand back until more people emerge
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Just checking in. I'd like to help advance the game by not SPV-ing, but there is really nothing to go on from Round 1. I could formulate some theories around those who voted Jess-ey off vs. those who switched votes once she emerged, but I don't think it is worth it right now.
I'll wait for the dogs to play.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
I'll wait for the dogs to play.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
I think Way's rather shall we say keenness last round was a case of calling it how he saw it
Seemed a bit jumpy to me but prob not worth worrying about
Sky on the other hand is very suspicious to me, regardless of last rounds interactions
I feel he is being a bit defensive so I'll vote that way
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Seemed a bit jumpy to me but prob not worth worrying about
Sky on the other hand is very suspicious to me, regardless of last rounds interactions
I feel he is being a bit defensive so I'll vote that way
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
I haven't played much with most of you so I don't know who might have been acting suspicious or otherwise. I will say that I appreciate not being shot in the first round. I'm going to put in a vote for someone with no votes but will watch the round and see if anyone comes up with a solid reasoning to change.
Voting for kz. There was absolutely no reason for him to change his vote at the end. Jess-y had plenty of votes stacked against her, and Sophie was in no real danger. Might be a case of wolf protecting wolf.
It's a disease, not a punch line
It's a disease, not a punch line
Spider and Jayo seem to be working together but of the 2 it's Spider who sticks out the most
His posts are a bit long winded but not really saying anything - he feels I am human - well a Wolf would know of course who the humans are and I feel like he is trying to buy a little trust.
No Sale
Voting for Spider, you others should be a bit more decisive and open your eyes to the early manipulations
I never make mitsakes
His posts are a bit long winded but not really saying anything - he feels I am human - well a Wolf would know of course who the humans are and I feel like he is trying to buy a little trust.
No Sale
Voting for Spider, you others should be a bit more decisive and open your eyes to the early manipulations
I never make mitsakes
I can be longwinded, Ill give you that, but my point was pretty clear, you're doing the same thing you did last round (trying to figure the game out way too quickly...thinking you've figured out wolves 2 at a time) either that or you are attack dog. A wolf defending a human is an old trick (we call 'persistent defender' ) that everyone is aware of . I'm trying to get discussions going, I pick up on certain human 'traits' pretty quickly (see last game - harry for example - among others) People only notice things when it involves themselves
On the other hand, a wolf wouldn't turn against someone defending them (or it would be unusual) so that's another reason Im inclined to lean human on you
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
On the other hand, a wolf wouldn't turn against someone defending them (or it would be unusual) so that's another reason Im inclined to lean human on you
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Hi! I'm sick right now so....
Voting for jayo.
Ooooooh! Nice!
Voting for jayo.
Ooooooh! Nice!
I made an issue of chasing spider all last game and he was a human I think I'll give him a break this time at least for a little while. Voting dcf because she doesn't have a vote right now. I have no ideas. Its too early for me.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Funny Brin, I was about to vote you b\c you added a second vote on KZ with no comment...
SPV for Sophie Drake.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
SPV for Sophie Drake.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
We are still missing two vote, cub and Kz i think (from memory of list) Cub in UK (i think haha) so probably more likely to come back.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
My bad minty other non voter not kz
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Yeah, I voted KZ and then realized he already had a vote.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Sorry for my silence thus far. I have a visitor over. I will be back in a bit to read up on what's going on and to make an actual post. Gonna drop an SPV on someone without a vote til I can make a better decision.
check carefully
Edit: Ok, caught up with the chat for this round. Nothing is sticking out to me yet, plus I have to color things with the special rules for this game... Waylander does strike me as rather forward, but I've seen him this way in other games, and I wrongly thought he was a wolf for it.
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check carefully
Edit: Ok, caught up with the chat for this round. Nothing is sticking out to me yet, plus I have to color things with the special rules for this game... Waylander does strike me as rather forward, but I've seen him this way in other games, and I wrongly thought he was a wolf for it.
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I'm going to vote bRIN for starting the majority on Jess-ey who was a human.
Chemistry is awesome!
Chemistry is awesome!
bRIN wrote:
This reasoning is somewhat defunct since you knew he was human.
Sadly, Jayo, I generally get the impression that people's suspicions are often based on loquacity rather than anything reasoned. This is one of the reasons I am trying to look away from Waylander, but it still remains that his round 1 play is almost the polar opposite from his last human round 1 play. From defeatist and disinterested to bold and excitable. It cannot be ignored. But his post this round was interesting, to say the least. So I'm more inclined to keep him around for a little longer.
I did say that I was keeping an eye on the early switchers last round with still a huge amount of the round still to play. So for now, I'm switching to whoviandeb. Also, wolves are always sick
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I made an issue of chasing spider all last game and he was a human I think I'll give him a break this time at least for a little while.
This reasoning is somewhat defunct since you knew he was human.
Sadly, Jayo, I generally get the impression that people's suspicions are often based on loquacity rather than anything reasoned. This is one of the reasons I am trying to look away from Waylander, but it still remains that his round 1 play is almost the polar opposite from his last human round 1 play. From defeatist and disinterested to bold and excitable. It cannot be ignored. But his post this round was interesting, to say the least. So I'm more inclined to keep him around for a little longer.
I did say that I was keeping an eye on the early switchers last round with still a huge amount of the round still to play. So for now, I'm switching to whoviandeb. Also, wolves are always sick
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for bRIN
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for whoviandeb
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for kzmonopoly
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for bRIN
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for whoviandeb
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for kzmonopoly
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
ultimatecub wrote:
Not sure how that is suspicious especially in the first round as Jess hadn't been online for two days. That seems to be the nature of the first couple of rounds. In my eyes that casts more suspicion on you at the moment for putting me in a majority. Seems like it gives the wolves someone to pounce on this way.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
I'm going to vote bRIN for starting the majority on Jess-ey who was a human.
Not sure how that is suspicious especially in the first round as Jess hadn't been online for two days. That seems to be the nature of the first couple of rounds. In my eyes that casts more suspicion on you at the moment for putting me in a majority. Seems like it gives the wolves someone to pounce on this way.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Seems we have all voters in play, will come back after get a few things taken care of and see if anything makes sense
I imagine this voting list is identical to Sky's but just covering the bases in case
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for bRIN
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for whoviandeb
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for kzmonopoly
looks like we've devolved into a sad MoO approach.....oh Brin is in a small maj
Cub's reason for voting me is the same one you cited multiple times last game Brin you can't fault him for that can you (I know you were a wolf, needed to be coy though )
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I imagine this voting list is identical to Sky's but just covering the bases in case
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for bRIN
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for whoviandeb
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for kzmonopoly
looks like we've devolved into a sad MoO approach.....oh Brin is in a small maj
Cub's reason for voting me is the same one you cited multiple times last game Brin you can't fault him for that can you (I know you were a wolf, needed to be coy though )
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Im actually voting Cub for sheer principle/annoyance. Cub voted Jessey for the exact same reason Brin did, turning around and voting Brin for it is contrary to everything that werewolf game should be about.
This does not produce a competing majority at the moment, but for all of it's succinctness, I dont think I could hate a wwg post more than I hate Cubs.
(I actually just realized Hooves was in majority as well until I switched my vote ) may keep may switch back, may go a whole other direction....is anyone out there ?
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
This does not produce a competing majority at the moment, but for all of it's succinctness, I dont think I could hate a wwg post more than I hate Cubs.
(I actually just realized Hooves was in majority as well until I switched my vote ) may keep may switch back, may go a whole other direction....is anyone out there ?
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I could switch to Cub, too, seeing as he kinda missed the point of WHY bRIN started the majority on Jess-ey (she was a few days Inactive). I mean, he IS trying to find a legit reason to vote for someone, so he gets points for that. But also, he just put me in the position of voting a min-maj on bRIN.
But if I switch from bRIN to Cub, that undoes the min-maj, leaving us with just one maj. But I dont want to shoot bRIN this early on; if Human, she's a great asset... Whatto do...
But if I switch from bRIN to Cub, that undoes the min-maj, leaving us with just one maj. But I dont want to shoot bRIN this early on; if Human, she's a great asset... Whatto do...
No, it's much worse than that, he didn't miss the point at all, seeing as how he used the EXACT same reason (Jessey's inactivity) for voting her later. Brin 'started' a majority, he agreed with it / and the reasoning for it, and now he is shooting her just for doing it before him. There will be NO POINTS awarded to Cub, this is the lowest common denominator of wwg tactics.
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Oh, oops, I missed that 2nd post of his. You're right. Could be he is an Attack Dog, but even then, that was a half-hearted attempt.
I'm going to switch my vote to ultimatecub. I'm not sure about his wolf/human status, but I don't appreciate his kinda random move of putting a good player in a majority based solely on a practical move to shoot an Inactive. We need to keep sound reasoners in the game. So, yeah. If someone wants to pop on and make another min-maj, we could have an interesting last minute shoot-off.
I'm going to switch my vote to ultimatecub. I'm not sure about his wolf/human status, but I don't appreciate his kinda random move of putting a good player in a majority based solely on a practical move to shoot an Inactive. We need to keep sound reasoners in the game. So, yeah. If someone wants to pop on and make another min-maj, we could have an interesting last minute shoot-off.
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for ultimatecub
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for ultimatecub
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for kzmonopoly
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for ultimatecub
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for ultimatecub
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for kzmonopoly
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I don't like cub's post. It makes no sense to blame bRin for last round. Targeting the absent is standard in round one.
voting cub
It's a disease, not a punch line
voting cub
It's a disease, not a punch line
Interesting late developments. Cub is likely young an inexperienced rather than fabricating. Will likely flip human I should think. Whovian and fint go up the list.
Voting list pour la postérité.
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for ultimatecub
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for ultimatecub
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for ultimatecub
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Voting list pour la postérité.
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for Waylander
dcf525 voted for Sophie-Drake
Fintpops voted for ultimatecub
Jayo voted for Skybet
kzmonopoly voted for Jayo
musicneverdies voted for Fintpops
Skybet voted for whoviandeb
Sophie-Drake voted for Creamy_Suga
The_Spider voted for ultimatecub
ultimatecub voted for bRIN
Waylander voted for The_Spider
whoviandeb voted for ultimatecub
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Fintpops wrote:
This comes across so wolfy.
So we're basically shooting someone because he did something spid didn't like? There are many better candidates IMO. Just because one player puts a player in a majority, the player who did that is not the only option.
Also worth noting that spid's switch took whovian out of a majority - particularly after stating earlier in the round that she'd be a good shot.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I'm going to switch my vote to ultimatecub. I'm not sure about his wolf/human status, but I don't appreciate his kinda random move of putting a good player in a majority based solely on a practical move to shoot an Inactive. We need to keep sound reasoners in the game.
This comes across so wolfy.
So we're basically shooting someone because he did something spid didn't like? There are many better candidates IMO. Just because one player puts a player in a majority, the player who did that is not the only option.
Also worth noting that spid's switch took whovian out of a majority - particularly after stating earlier in the round that she'd be a good shot.
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I already noted that, id be happy to switch back if you want
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm a horrible shot. No aim at all.
It's a disease, not a punch line
It's a disease, not a punch line
What makes you a 'horrible' shot?
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
It's a joke.
Skybet wrote:
Except he's not inexperienced. He has a tendency to post next to nothing or disappear completely in games. I've no patience for it: if you are going to play, commit to actually playing the game. Don't phone it in.
It's a disease, not a punch line
Skybet wrote:
Cub is likely young an inexperienced rather than fabricating.
Except he's not inexperienced. He has a tendency to post next to nothing or disappear completely in games. I've no patience for it: if you are going to play, commit to actually playing the game. Don't phone it in.
It's a disease, not a punch line
Just to throw my two cents in at the last minute:
- Regardless of the weak reasoning, I think Cub is just trying to get the game moving, no more, no less.
- I think Jayo was the Defender this round.
- I don't have a string suspect for the Attacker, though Waylander's posts seem falsely aggressive.
Brin and Cub are the only two giving me vibes right now, but not strong enough to switch my vote.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
- Regardless of the weak reasoning, I think Cub is just trying to get the game moving, no more, no less.
- I think Jayo was the Defender this round.
- I don't have a string suspect for the Attacker, though Waylander's posts seem falsely aggressive.
Brin and Cub are the only two giving me vibes right now, but not strong enough to switch my vote.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
The problem is (although its picked up in the last hurrah here) is too many quiets (Music, Sugar, Cub, even Jayo to a degree) so not a ton to go off of.
I asked for more input early, so trying not to be punitive to anyone offering ideas. I noticed Cub only has 16 wwgs under his belt (feels like he's played in infinitly more).....his post is still extremely irritting, but more forgiveable, I will think things through
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I asked for more input early, so trying not to be punitive to anyone offering ideas. I noticed Cub only has 16 wwgs under his belt (feels like he's played in infinitly more).....his post is still extremely irritting, but more forgiveable, I will think things through
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
one must make good on his threats I suppose, going back to Hooves and living with the result
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Go ahead and think me wolfy. But please note that I was placed in a majority I did not want to be in, so I had to change my vote for my own conscience. So I chose to make another min-maj. I could have chosen anyone else, and I decided to go with someone who hasn't really been contributing, and when he did, used kind of weak reasoning. Better than an active, fun player IMO. If you don't want to shoot cub, by all means choose another player to make a new maj - could even be me. But I'm capable of making my own voting decisions, thank you very much.
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I feel like I've been manipulated a little, but I will stick with my vote
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Another HUMAN down....still 3 wolves and the seer kicking.
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