The Werewolf Game
Game #3217: Offensive Defense
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This game finished in 8 rounds.
Seer + 3 Wolves are alive.
Just a reminder: You cannot reveal your role as an attacker or defender while performing your role. You may only do so in the round afterwards if you wish.
Also: I won't be confirming or denying roles until the end of the game. So until then, there's no way to know who's lying if they reveal.
Keep it going
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Just a reminder: You cannot reveal your role as an attacker or defender while performing your role. You may only do so in the round afterwards if you wish.
Also: I won't be confirming or denying roles until the end of the game. So until then, there's no way to know who's lying if they reveal.
Keep it going
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Personally if someone was an attack dog previously I think they should only reveal it at the end of the game as I reckon it is encouraging people to be more free with their accusations as normal and will keep people on their toes
It will be interesting to see if any of these "attacks" sustain after their initial compulsory round
Yeah ok SPV for now
I wasn't in a position to be online more in the previous round, home from work after midnight, up at 6 the next morning was in full zombie mode - we found out we are being made redundant at the end of the year, jobs being moved to Germany
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
It will be interesting to see if any of these "attacks" sustain after their initial compulsory round
Yeah ok SPV for now
I wasn't in a position to be online more in the previous round, home from work after midnight, up at 6 the next morning was in full zombie mode - we found out we are being made redundant at the end of the year, jobs being moved to Germany
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Ok, this is an interesting juncture. Going to go through the list and put forward thoughts on players.
brin - some reacted, somewhat strongly, to her majority last round even though it was a slim one.
creamy - almost no read, a grand total of two posts so far this game, both 1 liners. Could be a good candidate.
dcf - putting forward some decent ideas, usually wolves are a bit more vague early game, vibing human.
finty - had a little poke at her last round to gauge reaction, and it was sound. Strong human.
Jayo - little to go on so far, hasn't done anything out of the ordinary. See how that develops.
kz - another quiet one, apparently sick - almost certainly wolf
music - 3 posts total, all 1 liners. Somewhat suspicious.
Sophie - encouraging others to come up with reasoning for her to go with. Suspicious.
Spider - his tacit compliance and conciliatory nature last round, particularly towards the end, was bordering on disturbing. Out of character IMO. Feel he was the defend dog of way.
Way - attack on spid was out of the blue last round, but have a strong suspicion he was the attack dog. 1st round play was highly suspicious. High on list.
In summary, good shots this round are likely kz & sophie. Way, brin & spid also up there on the list.
SPV for now.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
brin - some reacted, somewhat strongly, to her majority last round even though it was a slim one.
creamy - almost no read, a grand total of two posts so far this game, both 1 liners. Could be a good candidate.
dcf - putting forward some decent ideas, usually wolves are a bit more vague early game, vibing human.
finty - had a little poke at her last round to gauge reaction, and it was sound. Strong human.
Jayo - little to go on so far, hasn't done anything out of the ordinary. See how that develops.
kz - another quiet one, apparently sick - almost certainly wolf
music - 3 posts total, all 1 liners. Somewhat suspicious.
Sophie - encouraging others to come up with reasoning for her to go with. Suspicious.
Spider - his tacit compliance and conciliatory nature last round, particularly towards the end, was bordering on disturbing. Out of character IMO. Feel he was the defend dog of way.
Way - attack on spid was out of the blue last round, but have a strong suspicion he was the attack dog. 1st round play was highly suspicious. High on list.
In summary, good shots this round are likely kz & sophie. Way, brin & spid also up there on the list.
SPV for now.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Also, sorry about your news, Jayo. I hope you find something else before then.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Be back on when I get to office, have a few things to say about things so far and the eating
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
You guys make a lot of presumptions about my character that just arnt true. Ive never been this iron willed, clairvoyant player who sticks to his guns at all costs. I waver and vacillate on my reads almost more than anyone I'm impatient with inactivity and lazy analysis and am good at pair analysis, but I'm happy to defer to better 'read' players when I'm stuck.
The cub eating is a little odd at this juncture. The first possibility is his Brin read was viewed as seerish (seems like a long shot, but after last game have to be careful writing that off). It feels like an 'old school' type eating to cast suspicion over the people voting him (i.e. Fint or myself ) The only other main possibility (other than it just being random) is it was done to vindicate Sky (who may have been feeling a little pressure after the whovian shooting). I'm not saying I suspect Sky yet, but his 180 on Fint (when Cub being human should make Fint more suspect) is a little odd. Players say it a lot, but I don't think any players ever really "fish" for a reaction.
I think a better candidate this round is DCF. Cant confirm the names as Im typing this post but she said something about suspecting Cub / Brin I think but not feeling 'strongly' enough to change her vote. This is sort of the main line wolf play, where they get to offer 'analysis' without actually entering the fray or putting there vote where there mouth is so to speak. Their hands stay clean, but it looks like they offered an opinion at an important moment.
For the time being, I am putting in a DCF / SPV hybrid vote, awaiting further responses
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The cub eating is a little odd at this juncture. The first possibility is his Brin read was viewed as seerish (seems like a long shot, but after last game have to be careful writing that off). It feels like an 'old school' type eating to cast suspicion over the people voting him (i.e. Fint or myself ) The only other main possibility (other than it just being random) is it was done to vindicate Sky (who may have been feeling a little pressure after the whovian shooting). I'm not saying I suspect Sky yet, but his 180 on Fint (when Cub being human should make Fint more suspect) is a little odd. Players say it a lot, but I don't think any players ever really "fish" for a reaction.
I think a better candidate this round is DCF. Cant confirm the names as Im typing this post but she said something about suspecting Cub / Brin I think but not feeling 'strongly' enough to change her vote. This is sort of the main line wolf play, where they get to offer 'analysis' without actually entering the fray or putting there vote where there mouth is so to speak. Their hands stay clean, but it looks like they offered an opinion at an important moment.
For the time being, I am putting in a DCF / SPV hybrid vote, awaiting further responses
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
My vote is on Sky for now. I'm on the road as I stated I would be and will watch and switch if I see reasons. This is just spoke for now.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
I wouldn't call it an assumption per se, just an assessment based on my experience playing with you. Obviously this is highly subjective. Something just doesn't sit right with me and your attitude this game. Using the word disturbed may have been over the top but I was feeling dramatic at the time
There was no 180 on finty since I didn't really suspect her from the onset. The round was feeling a bit flat so I wanted to stir some action nearer the end. Finty has done nothing to appear wolf-like, and I'm definitely thinking human.
I completely forgot to mention the eating in my analysis, as I was also thinking that the wolves may have seen the brin maj as a div. Since the wolves principle aim is to catch the seer, implicating/vindicating players at this juncture doesn't seem sensible as an alternative. I can definitely see a few brin pairings.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
There was no 180 on finty since I didn't really suspect her from the onset. The round was feeling a bit flat so I wanted to stir some action nearer the end. Finty has done nothing to appear wolf-like, and I'm definitely thinking human.
I completely forgot to mention the eating in my analysis, as I was also thinking that the wolves may have seen the brin maj as a div. Since the wolves principle aim is to catch the seer, implicating/vindicating players at this juncture doesn't seem sensible as an alternative. I can definitely see a few brin pairings.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Fair enough.
I agree with Jayo the mystery best left in the game (unless things get truly desperate or one's own life is at stake )
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I agree with Jayo the mystery best left in the game (unless things get truly desperate or one's own life is at stake )
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Jayo wrote:
I wasn't in a position to be online more in the previous round, home from work after midnight, up at 6 the next morning was in full zombie mode - we found out we are being made redundant at the end of the year, jobs being moved to Germany
Sorry to hear that, Jay. The world economy is a joke right now. If it's any consolation, the biggest German banks is on the brink of collapse which may trigger another world recession?
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I wasn't in a position to be online more in the previous round, home from work after midnight, up at 6 the next morning was in full zombie mode - we found out we are being made redundant at the end of the year, jobs being moved to Germany
Sorry to hear that, Jay. The world economy is a joke right now. If it's any consolation, the biggest German banks is on the brink of collapse which may trigger another world recession?
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The_Spider wrote:
In return, I'm a bit inclined to see Sky as human, mostly for his analysis of all the players up there. It's putting himself on the line with everyone. lol
I don't understand the eating last night. I would have thought it'd be easy to frame cub this round, making us waste another shot. But also maybe the wolves are over-analizing and trying some other strategy I'm unaware of.
I'm totally bad at spotting Wolves, so no reads yet from me. Will SPV but be back when more people have had a chance to post.
Players say it a lot, but I don't think any players ever really "fish" for a reaction.
Well if anyone ever comes close, it's Skybet. Times when I've played Wolf, any question of my voting motives would put me in panic. I'm sure that a skilled player would keep it together, but I still need seasoning.In return, I'm a bit inclined to see Sky as human, mostly for his analysis of all the players up there. It's putting himself on the line with everyone. lol
I don't understand the eating last night. I would have thought it'd be easy to frame cub this round, making us waste another shot. But also maybe the wolves are over-analizing and trying some other strategy I'm unaware of.
I'm totally bad at spotting Wolves, so no reads yet from me. Will SPV but be back when more people have had a chance to post.
Jayo, so sorry to hear about your job. I don't want to hope for a world recession, but if Deutsche Bank does collapse, maybe your job would move back to Ireland (?).
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
Well I am at a complete crossroads. I am not sure that I trust Sky or Spider at this time. But then again. UC being eaten after being targeted seems more a wolf ploy to frame those that voted against her/him. Brin put the target on UC but didn't switch votes. That is suspicious too. Especially to have him eaten that same round, but I know she's a smarter player than that. Voting fint just going with my gut.
I like Pops, but the post at the end of last round seemed too defensive; I don't think you're a wolf, but that could change. I do agree that Skybet seems human, but it has been pointed out previously that Wolves, Bosses and Rats sometimes post voting lists and player assessments to build trust and make themselves seem Human. And while Spider is by far our most active player, it is interesting to see him talk himself into, and out of, voting for someone in consecutive posts.
I think at least one of our wolves is hiding in the weeds- laying low, but showing up just enough to not be inactive. Brin is still a wolf suspect for me, but I'll add Sophie-Drake and MND for now. And, I know she said she was sick, but I'd like to hear more from Sug.
I'd also like to see if anyone reveals him/herself to be a dog form last round. Up for discussion, what would be the point of lying and saying you were a dog?
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Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
I think at least one of our wolves is hiding in the weeds- laying low, but showing up just enough to not be inactive. Brin is still a wolf suspect for me, but I'll add Sophie-Drake and MND for now. And, I know she said she was sick, but I'd like to hear more from Sug.
I'd also like to see if anyone reveals him/herself to be a dog form last round. Up for discussion, what would be the point of lying and saying you were a dog?
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Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
bRIN voted for Skybet
dcf525 voted for musicneverdies
Fintpops voted for Sophie-Drake
Jayo voted for kzmonopoly
Skybet voted for The_Spider
Sophie-Drake voted for Fintpops
The_Spider voted for dcf525
hopefully the afternoon brings a surge of activity.
Sticking with vote on dcf. Everything posted above, in addition to what Ive stated before has tentative feeler vibes, wolves play like shy octopus Sending out a few meek prods (some 'kind of' human some 'maybe' wolf) to give the illusion of active contribution, but nothing they will actually commit to. With everything said, dcf ending with a sort of meager mnd vote....am I only one
and as a side note: voting lists are very valueable and more people should post them if they are needed
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
dcf525 voted for musicneverdies
Fintpops voted for Sophie-Drake
Jayo voted for kzmonopoly
Skybet voted for The_Spider
Sophie-Drake voted for Fintpops
The_Spider voted for dcf525
hopefully the afternoon brings a surge of activity.
Sticking with vote on dcf. Everything posted above, in addition to what Ive stated before has tentative feeler vibes, wolves play like shy octopus Sending out a few meek prods (some 'kind of' human some 'maybe' wolf) to give the illusion of active contribution, but nothing they will actually commit to. With everything said, dcf ending with a sort of meager mnd vote....am I only one
and as a side note: voting lists are very valueable and more people should post them if they are needed
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
We actually might get more info in learning who chose the dogs rather than who the dogs were pointed at
(so lying should be fruitless as two can confirm against one, unless one has died but there is a clear risk for minimal gain anyway)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
(so lying should be fruitless as two can confirm against one, unless one has died but there is a clear risk for minimal gain anyway)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
So all wolves are sick
I'm voting for waylander
Ooooooh! Nice!
I'm voting for waylander
Ooooooh! Nice!
Any reason, or must the march to MoO go unopposed?
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Voting for someone that doesn't have a vote on them. I realize my activity has been close to nothing and I want to apologize. I've been stuck in the hospital for a kidney infection amongst other things and don't have a lot of energy what with all the stuff they've been giving me. Nothing really jumps out at me but that must be because I don't like to make quick assumptions. Will be watching and be back later on hopefully.
Waiting on two non voters atm, will reserve judgment for a few hours and hope we hear from em
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
It occurs to me that Brin was protected to a degree in the last round, so I am willing to consider her a suspect
Votes were almost magnetically drawn to Whovian with no solid logic to my mind anyway
For sure think that there is a quiet wolf, maybe 2 but pin-pointing that is tricky
Sky strikes me as a possibility as his analysis seems slightly contrived and a bit 'wishy washy' as the Brits do say
I am going with Brin, though Sky as a back up option should there be any real feeling from others that this would be a good call
Spider, don't think I have forgotten about you...you furry little beast you!!
I never make mitsakes
Votes were almost magnetically drawn to Whovian with no solid logic to my mind anyway
For sure think that there is a quiet wolf, maybe 2 but pin-pointing that is tricky
Sky strikes me as a possibility as his analysis seems slightly contrived and a bit 'wishy washy' as the Brits do say
I am going with Brin, though Sky as a back up option should there be any real feeling from others that this would be a good call
Spider, don't think I have forgotten about you...you furry little beast you!!
I never make mitsakes
Well it was hooves or cub so no sense explaining it anyway, I thought voting cub would end with a long annoying round of defending myself (which seems moot anyway) I have a problem wit people who try to keep it 'lighthearted ' in the early going, it seems like sort of a subtle sycophantic approach (don't worry I've done it myself lol)
Anyway, still waiting on music, I'll give her bout hr or two and either vote her or look for a more forcing vote, though dcf would be one of the better calls imo
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Anyway, still waiting on music, I'll give her bout hr or two and either vote her or look for a more forcing vote, though dcf would be one of the better calls imo
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Sorry for no edit, hard while on phone
I'm hesitant to vote sky only cause he in advanced timezone and would feel bad ambushing a sky late who can't get on to defend himself (would be different if he was under the gun the whole round )
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm hesitant to vote sky only cause he in advanced timezone and would feel bad ambushing a sky late who can't get on to defend himself (would be different if he was under the gun the whole round )
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Waylander wrote:
So you're right: gotta watch Spider. But I don't agree about bRIN. I really think she's Human. Which is weird cause I usually think she's a Wolf.
On the fence about changing my vote to Spider. I wish I had an idea about the person who could be the other Wolf... Will read back to see if I can make theoretical pairs.
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It occurs to me that Brin was protected to a degree in the last round, so I am willing to consider her a suspect
Votes were almost magnetically drawn to Whovian with no solid logic to my mind anyway
It's interesting that you bring that up. There was really only one vote that was drawn back to whovian: Spider. He seemed to be going for Cub, switched back to whovian, then said he felt manipulated. I could see that as a confused Human, but not really when it's Spider. He usually seems more confident.Votes were almost magnetically drawn to Whovian with no solid logic to my mind anyway
So you're right: gotta watch Spider. But I don't agree about bRIN. I really think she's Human. Which is weird cause I usually think she's a Wolf.
On the fence about changing my vote to Spider. I wish I had an idea about the person who could be the other Wolf... Will read back to see if I can make theoretical pairs.
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What difference does it make, they were both human, why would I waffle on a pointless decision
You've played 2 games with me, why do I have this reputation as some oracle, I change my mind an hem and haw more than anyone , that's the price of overanalysis
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
You've played 2 games with me, why do I have this reputation as some oracle, I change my mind an hem and haw more than anyone , that's the price of overanalysis
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Okay, looking at the votes and I only have a couple days left of internet unless its available on the ship. The only two people I trust at the moment other than myself is Sophie [not excited enough to be a wolf] and Spider having just played a game with him. I'm going to follow the dcf vote this round. Finty, thank you for the defense. I am a human.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
I am really sorry for being so late to this round. School was very stressful today and then after school I had to go to a friends house to work on a massive science project that is due Monday. Oh, I'm so sorry about your job Jayo! I hope it all works out somehow.
Getting to the actual game, I am kind of confused. The attack/defense dog aspect of this game muddies things up a bit. I'm not getting a strong wolf vibe from anyone, so my vote is going to creamy, who's been extremely quiet this game. With the twist, I think that she might just be lying low for fear of saying the wrong thing.
Getting to the actual game, I am kind of confused. The attack/defense dog aspect of this game muddies things up a bit. I'm not getting a strong wolf vibe from anyone, so my vote is going to creamy, who's been extremely quiet this game. With the twist, I think that she might just be lying low for fear of saying the wrong thing.
I'll join your vote on Creamy, and for the same reasons.
If nothing else it creates a 3 way tie, with a bit of luck there will be at least one wolf in the mix, so any further developments might help us out in later rounds
Creamy for now
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
If nothing else it creates a 3 way tie, with a bit of luck there will be at least one wolf in the mix, so any further developments might help us out in later rounds
Creamy for now
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Sorry it's late here and don't have anything to offer apart from stating that my vote is for Sophie for earlier stated reasoning.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
The_Spider wrote:
And I didn't say you were an Oracle. I just think in the short time I've known and played with you, you've been more self-sure. You can still be wrong, of course, but you had never seemed to be influenced so easily by outside input. Just my perception.
I've oddly been suspecting Creamy, too. But I dunno why. lol
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What difference does it make, they were both human, why would I waffle on a pointless decision
This sounds like you knew they were both Human at the time you voted. It would only have been "pointless" if you knew it was 6 of one. And I didn't say you were an Oracle. I just think in the short time I've known and played with you, you've been more self-sure. You can still be wrong, of course, but you had never seemed to be influenced so easily by outside input. Just my perception.
I've oddly been suspecting Creamy, too. But I dunno why. lol
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3 hours 45 mins left
Day
It takes 6 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for bRIN
dcf525 voted for musicneverdies
Fintpops voted for Sophie-Drake
Jayo voted for Creamy_Suga
kzmonopoly voted for Waylander
musicneverdies voted for Creamy_Suga
Skybet voted for Sophie-Drake
Sophie-Drake voted for Fintpops
The_Spider voted for dcf525
Waylander voted for bRIN
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Day
It takes 6 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
bRIN voted for dcf525
Creamy_Suga voted for bRIN
dcf525 voted for musicneverdies
Fintpops voted for Sophie-Drake
Jayo voted for Creamy_Suga
kzmonopoly voted for Waylander
musicneverdies voted for Creamy_Suga
Skybet voted for Sophie-Drake
Sophie-Drake voted for Fintpops
The_Spider voted for dcf525
Waylander voted for bRIN
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Okay listening and reading everyone's posts, I think I'm switching mine as well. I don't follow Way's logic, Not sure how her being protected [if she was] makes her a wolf. Switching to Waylander.
I was going to change my vote, but now we've got some sort of strange Min-Maj on most of the players in the game. I still think Way and bRIN are Human, not sure about Spider or Creamy. I'm currently in a tied vote for Sophie, whom I have no read on. I guess I can just leave it and trust fate. But then if feel guilty if i help shoot a human that I wasn't even suspecting.
I guess my sense of honor, for what it's worth, would have me vote Spider. So I'll do that and mess up one of the Min-Maj. We'll see!
I guess my sense of honor, for what it's worth, would have me vote Spider. So I'll do that and mess up one of the Min-Maj. We'll see!
I don't really understand Brin's vote on me, but she was on my list anyway, so it looks like I'll have to vote to save myself.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
Sorry, nothing to see here folks, keep moving.
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