The Werewolf Game
Game #3228: New Year, New Wolf
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This game finished in 8 rounds.
This will be the last round with an immunity secret word.
There are two wolves left and the seer died last night.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
There are two wolves left and the seer died last night.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
1 down. to go.
I'm holding my vote until we hear from everyone.
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
I'm holding my vote until we hear from everyone.
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
Well Deb was the seer, and her list is not helpful....did she divine her humans or her wolves??
her followup indicates Cab/Sophie wolves, but if she had two wolves she would have come right out with it, Id think, leaning a Cab or Sophie vote though at this stage
gonna have to disect in a little while
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
her followup indicates Cab/Sophie wolves, but if she had two wolves she would have come right out with it, Id think, leaning a Cab or Sophie vote though at this stage
gonna have to disect in a little while
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Drat. I was afraid that Deb was seer last round.
Ok. Deb pretty much cleared some players last round. Cccgirl and kz perhaps. BRB
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
Ok. Deb pretty much cleared some players last round. Cccgirl and kz perhaps. BRB
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
From last round:[quote]
Ok time for a deb list
Brin-leaning human
Cc- leaning human
Kaz-i am thinking human, not completely sure, just not acting the same
Odd- leaning more wolf than human
Sky- I may regret it but I have not suspected him
Sophie-interesting very interesting, I am leaning wolf on her right now
Dan- not acting like his typical wolf self
Cab- leaning wolf even though she says she is human
So my wolfs are odd, Sophie and cab. [/quote]Deb seems to be saying that she cleared BRIN, ccc and Spider? [/quote]
May truly have been unsure of kz and sky?
I really am all human!
SophieDrake, with her continuing outlier votes, does indeed look like the best shot for this round.
Edit: I have placed a vote since our confirmed seer has spoken.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
Ok time for a deb list
Brin-leaning human
Cc- leaning human
Kaz-i am thinking human, not completely sure, just not acting the same
Odd- leaning more wolf than human
Sky- I may regret it but I have not suspected him
Sophie-interesting very interesting, I am leaning wolf on her right now
Dan- not acting like his typical wolf self
Cab- leaning wolf even though she says she is human
So my wolfs are odd, Sophie and cab. [/quote]Deb seems to be saying that she cleared BRIN, ccc and Spider? [/quote]
May truly have been unsure of kz and sky?
I really am all human!
SophieDrake, with her continuing outlier votes, does indeed look like the best shot for this round.
Edit: I have placed a vote since our confirmed seer has spoken.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
Warning, I've had a few beverages so I may not be too useful.
Deb your list is far from helpful I think if she had 2 wolves she would have revealed last round. I expect both cab and Sophie together have not been divined. 1 may have been, however. Sophie has been piquing my interest of late with her determination to detach herself from the rest of the roster, but kz's round 3 behaviour cannot be ignored. Both are viable shots imo.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Deb your list is far from helpful I think if she had 2 wolves she would have revealed last round. I expect both cab and Sophie together have not been divined. 1 may have been, however. Sophie has been piquing my interest of late with her determination to detach herself from the rest of the roster, but kz's round 3 behaviour cannot be ignored. Both are viable shots imo.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I agree with that, regarding both sophie/cab, will pour through Debs less obvious posts later, this is the exact problem with these kinds of lists, they help the wolves identify the seer, but not the humans
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Deb the Seer posts:
Round 2:
Round 3:
Oddrey voted to shoot a now-known human the first 3 rounds.. But spoke to/about SD twice.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
Round 2:
For some reason I am not suspecting sky baby yet.
Deb appears to have cleared Skybet Round 3:
I am leaning human on Dan right now, but there is some pleasure seeing him defend himself...a lot so he IS acting Wolfy
For some reason I don't suspect sky still
I am leaning human on cc
Is there any way cab could be a wolf due to log in times(i know that is a big no no, but I haven't been keeping up with that)
Kaz has been a wolf I think a record number of times, he does defy the odds, just can't tell with him
I don't know about the rest, they all seem normal to me.
it gets trickier here. Deb has had only2 divinations. She repeats her confidence in Sky's humanness. But she also seems to consider both ccc and Spider clear. Perhaps she 'cleared' Spider based upon her gut and divined ccc as human?For some reason I don't suspect sky still
I am leaning human on cc
Is there any way cab could be a wolf due to log in times(i know that is a big no no, but I haven't been keeping up with that)
Kaz has been a wolf I think a record number of times, he does defy the odds, just can't tell with him
I don't know about the rest, they all seem normal to me.
Oddrey voted to shoot a now-known human the first 3 rounds.. But spoke to/about SD twice.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
What are you getting at, cab?
Deb may well have divined me
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Deb may well have divined me
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Yes, thats exactly what she is getting at, let her do her work, its useful
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm arriving at the conclusion that it would be unwise to not go with an option the seer has possibly offered us and am heading towards Sophie as a good shot... thoughts?
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Its certainly reasonable, will be waiting to hear from the others and looking over Debs posts in more detail. Tough to decide what to do with Brin/Kz , maybe a straight up pair analysis is in order, not atm though (depends on if i bail on gym )
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Deb the Seer posts continued:
Round 4
She certainly did not appear to have divined SD or me. Otherwise I'd have been declared clear. Or SophieDrake would have been either cleared or declared a baddie.
Edit: Silly me. She must have divined BRIN as a clear last round.
I think that the undivided peeps are: kz, moi, SophieDrake and Spider. Deb seems to consider Spider a good guy based upon her take on his play. I'll trust her on this.
That leaves SophieDrake and kzmonopoly as werewolves - plain and simple. (Assuming Spider is indeed human!)
I obviously know I'm human. And if you take a look at my voting record, I voted oddrey beginning 1st round. And again 3rd round where oddrey was saved by a later switch to music. I also tried to soft claim Seer last round as soon as I suspected that Deb was our Seer.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
Round 4
I think the wolves are odd, cab and Sophie.
Washer divination eaten? Did she confirm Spider's innocence?She certainly did not appear to have divined SD or me. Otherwise I'd have been declared clear. Or SophieDrake would have been either cleared or declared a baddie.
Edit: Silly me. She must have divined BRIN as a clear last round.
I think that the undivided peeps are: kz, moi, SophieDrake and Spider. Deb seems to consider Spider a good guy based upon her take on his play. I'll trust her on this.
That leaves SophieDrake and kzmonopoly as werewolves - plain and simple. (Assuming Spider is indeed human!)
I obviously know I'm human. And if you take a look at my voting record, I voted oddrey beginning 1st round. And again 3rd round where oddrey was saved by a later switch to music. I also tried to soft claim Seer last round as soon as I suspected that Deb was our Seer.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
caberet voted for Sophie-Drake
Sophie-Drake voted for cabaret
this seems like a tacit admission from one of the wolves that the seer has one of them, while Sky and I (and even Cab) look at Deb's posts to find human evidence, it seems a wolf knows what Deb knew and thus are ready for the inevitable
Cab is right to point out she did vote Odd in round 3 pretty needlessly, so Im inclined to think Cab is human (or moreso than Sophie)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Sophie-Drake voted for cabaret
this seems like a tacit admission from one of the wolves that the seer has one of them, while Sky and I (and even Cab) look at Deb's posts to find human evidence, it seems a wolf knows what Deb knew and thus are ready for the inevitable
Cab is right to point out she did vote Odd in round 3 pretty needlessly, so Im inclined to think Cab is human (or moreso than Sophie)
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'm voting Cab. Think what you will. I am human so if deb was right about anyone it was Cab but it wasn't me. If you shoot me you'll be right back where you were...one round from must lynch.
I'm also thinking spider. Again with the boorish behavior like last game. You called Cab's post the dumbest you've ever read and went on to insult Brin by calling hers ridiculous... How insulting. You could've just said you disagree.
I'm also thinking spider. Again with the boorish behavior like last game. You called Cab's post the dumbest you've ever read and went on to insult Brin by calling hers ridiculous... How insulting. You could've just said you disagree.
Thanks sensei, Ill pick my own words
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Just have to say I'm stunned by your loquacity, cab. Genuinely useful mining
The larger part of me is saying that you're a scrambling wolf trying to cherry pick the data and sway it in your favour
Maybe I should just return tomorrow with a clear head...
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
The larger part of me is saying that you're a scrambling wolf trying to cherry pick the data and sway it in your favour
Maybe I should just return tomorrow with a clear head...
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Cab was very quick to join the Odd mini-maj as she put it, and she is been pretty throughouhly pulling the human card, she's sounding more and more human to me....I think KZ will end up being my vote this round
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I neglected to point out 2 more things that might help you determine my human role:
- I was a happy participant in oddrey's death sentence.
- Deb seemed to suspect me based upon my log in times. I am unable to check in from work. This lag was successfully cultivated by the wolves to keep from clearing me. A time honored tradition in WWG.
I would take exception to Skybets depiction of cherry picking data, when I was truly transparent and dutifully included Deb's finger pointing at me. But since Sky does indeed seem to have been cleared of nighttime eatings, he must simply be exhibiting his self-acclaimed lack of a clear head.
Edit: Dratted autocorrects
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
- I was a happy participant in oddrey's death sentence.
- Deb seemed to suspect me based upon my log in times. I am unable to check in from work. This lag was successfully cultivated by the wolves to keep from clearing me. A time honored tradition in WWG.
I would take exception to Skybets depiction of cherry picking data, when I was truly transparent and dutifully included Deb's finger pointing at me. But since Sky does indeed seem to have been cleared of nighttime eatings, he must simply be exhibiting his self-acclaimed lack of a clear head.
Edit: Dratted autocorrects
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
caberet wrote:
*Still trying to figure out why my post was so ridiculous* Ah well no accounting I guess.
Now why did I quote Cabs quote of Deb - round 3 - so he IS acting wolfy. subliminal message?
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Deb the Seer posts:
Round 2:
Round 3:
Oddrey voted to shoot a now-known human the first 3 rounds.. But spoke to/about SD twice.
Round 2:
For some reason I am not suspecting sky baby yet.
Deb appears to have cleared Skybet Round 3:
I am leaning human on Dan right now, but there is some pleasure seeing him defend himself...a lot so he IS acting Wolfy
For some reason I don't suspect sky still
I am leaning human on cc
Is there any way cab could be a wolf due to log in times(i know that is a big no no, but I haven't been keeping up with that)
Kaz has been a wolf I think a record number of times, he does defy the odds, just can't tell with him
I don't know about the rest, they all seem normal to me.
it gets trickier here. Deb has had only2 divinations. She repeats her confidence in Sky's humanness. But she also seems to consider both ccc and Spider clear. Perhaps she 'cleared' Spider based upon her gut and divined ccc as human?For some reason I don't suspect sky still
I am leaning human on cc
Is there any way cab could be a wolf due to log in times(i know that is a big no no, but I haven't been keeping up with that)
Kaz has been a wolf I think a record number of times, he does defy the odds, just can't tell with him
I don't know about the rest, they all seem normal to me.
Oddrey voted to shoot a now-known human the first 3 rounds.. But spoke to/about SD twice.
*Still trying to figure out why my post was so ridiculous* Ah well no accounting I guess.
Now why did I quote Cabs quote of Deb - round 3 - so he IS acting wolfy. subliminal message?
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Because Oddfrey was not in your top 3 suspects list when it was obvious he was the best shot, and you were so willing to shoot her the round before, AND the person who was shot turned out to be human (lending ever further creedence to a Odd was saved theory) Instead of addressing any of my 100 different points, you merely listed me as a suspect without any explanation. Addressing your current point, first of all, why are you guys (Brin/Sophie) obsessed (and it is obsession at this point) with the idea I am a wolf. It would be one thing if it was in the midst of thorough analysis of everyone, but its your soul commentary (outside a vote of Cab which amounted to little more than hasty following of a seer post).
As to the theory itself, are you suggesting that a seer would deliberately send a mixed, unclear message about their divination, what reasonable seer would do that, its almost the exact thing a seer should never do. There's mountains to analyze (you've managed to leave out that in last round Deb listed me as human) and yet you decide to focus in on this point?
Brin-leaning human
Cc- leaning human
Kaz-i am thinking human, not completely sure, just not acting the same
Odd- leaning more wolf than human
Sky- I may regret it but I have not suspected him
Sophie-interesting very interesting, I am leaning wolf on her right now
Dan- not acting like his typical wolf self
Cab- leaning wolf even though she says she is human
I mean this was Debs round 4 post.....pretty easily undercuts the point you are trying to make.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
As to the theory itself, are you suggesting that a seer would deliberately send a mixed, unclear message about their divination, what reasonable seer would do that, its almost the exact thing a seer should never do. There's mountains to analyze (you've managed to leave out that in last round Deb listed me as human) and yet you decide to focus in on this point?
Brin-leaning human
Cc- leaning human
Kaz-i am thinking human, not completely sure, just not acting the same
Odd- leaning more wolf than human
Sky- I may regret it but I have not suspected him
Sophie-interesting very interesting, I am leaning wolf on her right now
Dan- not acting like his typical wolf self
Cab- leaning wolf even though she says she is human
I mean this was Debs round 4 post.....pretty easily undercuts the point you are trying to make.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
For the record, I think Debs divine style would be Spider/Sky/Cab in some order, and cc and Brin are listed as 'leans human' which is NOT just 'human' which a seer at this stage in the game needs to be clear about. Her words toward Cab are pretty aggressive, the 'even though she says she's human' is quite combative if it was just Debs gut read. Will do a full look through either tonight or tmrw
Cab you said you thought Deb was seer last round? Why so?
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Cab you said you thought Deb was seer last round? Why so?
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The word has been spoken - and will it affect this round? It might.
Immunity goes to caberet for the first use of the word "shoot".
YOU MAY NOT SHOOT OR EAT CABERET.
And that, folks, is the last secret word of the game. I told you they were game related: switch, majority, suspicious, shoot. Too bad you weren't lucky enough in round two.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
Immunity goes to caberet for the first use of the word "shoot".
YOU MAY NOT SHOOT OR EAT CABERET.
And that, folks, is the last secret word of the game. I told you they were game related: switch, majority, suspicious, shoot. Too bad you weren't lucky enough in round two.
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It's a disease, not a punch line
I'm not sure what to think about deb and her list. We don't know which ones she divined. I'll trust Spider's judgement.
Ooooooh! Nice!
Ooooooh! Nice!
What does that mean
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
kzmonopoly wrote:
The remaining wolves are SophieDrake and kzmono (fingers crossed!) for the win!
I assure all remaining humans that a fellow human has won immunity this round.
Please place your vote for a wolf shooting!
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
I'm not sure what to think about deb and her list. We don't know which ones she divined. I'll trust Spider's judgement.
Seriously? You don't realize that Deb is our moderator-confirmed Seer? And therefor her list is of incredible value to Team Human?! Kzmono seems either unfocused or completely wolfish. The remaining wolves are SophieDrake and kzmono (fingers crossed!) for the win!
I assure all remaining humans that a fellow human has won immunity this round.
Please place your vote for a wolf shooting!
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
going to work and won't be back, adding my vote for spider. I'm not sure about anything except that I'm human.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Just got back from a very long day. Following Deb, voting Sophie. g'NITE.
Don't know what I was thinking last night....
I'm just going to go ahead with my Sophie vote. She barely even put up a fight anyway.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
I'm just going to go ahead with my Sophie vote. She barely even put up a fight anyway.
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
And brin proves my point and exonerates my frustrstion, no response to reasoned argument, no getting through via rationale , she brings up evidence of debs 'divining' me, ignores debs same and more clear suggestion I'm human, offers no insight and plops down a vote
I'll stand by the assertion of ridiculous
Bbs
Not sure what sky is 'not sure what I thinking' about, he made no weird posts or thoughts that I can recall
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
I'll stand by the assertion of ridiculous
Bbs
Not sure what sky is 'not sure what I thinking' about, he made no weird posts or thoughts that I can recall
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Just referring to the cab post, with her voting history and behaviour it's pretty unlikely that she's a wolf, I was just getting a bit carried away and overly suspicious
ps. I think they're voting you because they feel a bit scorned by your... erm.... directness
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
ps. I think they're voting you because they feel a bit scorned by your... erm.... directness
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We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Im not certain of that, Debs post is still very aggressive....going through the game now
have to figure out why Odd tried to exonerate Sophie at the start of last round on flimsy evidence....nagging at me
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
have to figure out why Odd tried to exonerate Sophie at the start of last round on flimsy evidence....nagging at me
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Yeah that is an odd one.... Surely too transparent for a partner? I guess we'll find out. I can't see a better shot than Sophie currently.
Reading deb's posts back I'm 99% sure she had divined me then spid. Then it becomes unclear thereafter. I would guess she divined Sophie as a wolf - but what's nagging at me is with 2 clears and a wolf all still alive, why not reveal last round?
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Reading deb's posts back I'm 99% sure she had divined me then spid. Then it becomes unclear thereafter. I would guess she divined Sophie as a wolf - but what's nagging at me is with 2 clears and a wolf all still alive, why not reveal last round?
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Thats a good point.....
this game is frustrating, theres nothing substantial to work with other than to attempt to decipher Debs post (certainly the wolves did). I went back to Odd's post (never seen her as a wolf so not sure of anything ) but the push to call Sophie human is definitely worth scrutinizing. Odd was in deep water at the time (Hoo was just eaten) so she must have thought her chances were marginal. To me it reads like an attempt to sound 'logical' and blend in , more than a wolf attempt to confuse about her partner.....
still reading
ps. i think the phrase 'im human' should be banned in future games
Im thinking Brin based on game play (if no seer post was around ) Very inconsistent approach to Oddrey.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
this game is frustrating, theres nothing substantial to work with other than to attempt to decipher Debs post (certainly the wolves did). I went back to Odd's post (never seen her as a wolf so not sure of anything ) but the push to call Sophie human is definitely worth scrutinizing. Odd was in deep water at the time (Hoo was just eaten) so she must have thought her chances were marginal. To me it reads like an attempt to sound 'logical' and blend in , more than a wolf attempt to confuse about her partner.....
still reading
ps. i think the phrase 'im human' should be banned in future games
Im thinking Brin based on game play (if no seer post was around ) Very inconsistent approach to Oddrey.
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
It is a frustrating game, because I can see a lot of avenues of enquiry opening with a few potential, even likely, wolves.
Maybe I should attempt a deb list...
Brin - I'm quite literally ambivalent, has been fairly quiet, jovial nature a couple of rounds ago comes across a bit wolfy, general play has been... questionable
Cab - deb thought she was a wolf, would be a div, unsure but leaning human based on voting
cc - another that I'm fairly ambivalent on, hasn't done a lot to make me feel either way
kz - a complete enigma this game - highly suspect even if we take round 3 play in isolation
Sophie - trying hard to go against the grain the entire game, deb listed as wolf so is a potential div, lack of fight, highly suspect
spid - 99% likely divined as human based on deb's round 3 and posts thereafter
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Maybe I should attempt a deb list...
Brin - I'm quite literally ambivalent, has been fairly quiet, jovial nature a couple of rounds ago comes across a bit wolfy, general play has been... questionable
Cab - deb thought she was a wolf, would be a div, unsure but leaning human based on voting
cc - another that I'm fairly ambivalent on, hasn't done a lot to make me feel either way
kz - a complete enigma this game - highly suspect even if we take round 3 play in isolation
Sophie - trying hard to go against the grain the entire game, deb listed as wolf so is a potential div, lack of fight, highly suspect
spid - 99% likely divined as human based on deb's round 3 and posts thereafter
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
Ill do the same a bit later, can we agree Debs list is a model on what NOT to do as a seer
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Next round will be must Lynch. I am human. Good luck
Sky, I suggest at least placing you vote aside for a bit (if your schedule allows) cc and kz did a little skating this round, might be helpful to keep options open
The fact I have two votes on me is a complete and total vindication of everything Ive previously stated, especially regarding revenge votes people delude themselves into thinking are "unbiased"
bRIN voted for The_Spider
caberet voted for Sophie-Drake
cccgirl voted for Sophie-Drake
Skybet voted for Sophie-Drake
Sophie-Drake voted for The_Spider
Even throwing out all the other reasons its an bad vote, its the one vote that likely dooms her to dying
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The fact I have two votes on me is a complete and total vindication of everything Ive previously stated, especially regarding revenge votes people delude themselves into thinking are "unbiased"
bRIN voted for The_Spider
caberet voted for Sophie-Drake
cccgirl voted for Sophie-Drake
Skybet voted for Sophie-Drake
Sophie-Drake voted for The_Spider
Even throwing out all the other reasons its an bad vote, its the one vote that likely dooms her to dying
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
If neither of Sophie/Brin is a wolf we will lose (barring a vote swing here) as they will spite sink the boat against all evidence
if anyone is considering further evaluation of the round, will play open minded till bout 3 hours left, at which point I gotta settle for the Sophie shot
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
if anyone is considering further evaluation of the round, will play open minded till bout 3 hours left, at which point I gotta settle for the Sophie shot
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
1) I do find it funny I'm still suspect. I read Deb's list as I was a clear; let better brains than mine please point me to contrary logic as I don't see it.
2) I feel I have been somewhat aloof this game, but I have been traveling. I have to drive from one Midwest city to another today in icy/snow conditions, so I'm just checking in before I have to be offline for a half day.
3) I am worried that we may not pull this one out because of two things: a) lack of logical analysis of the rounds by some players and b) both posting and voting based on gut feelings, emotions, etc. and not strategy. (I admit that my traveling this game makes me a bit guilty of the former, though not on purpose.) This does not bode well for future WWGs.
I hope by the time I get back on, there will have been a great kumbaya togetherness moment of some sort. One can dream, right?
*climbs off soapbox*
Since I won't be back on before round's end, I'm keeping my vote on Sophie as based on rounds and Deb's post, she seems the most logical choice. Fingers crossed.
2) I feel I have been somewhat aloof this game, but I have been traveling. I have to drive from one Midwest city to another today in icy/snow conditions, so I'm just checking in before I have to be offline for a half day.
3) I am worried that we may not pull this one out because of two things: a) lack of logical analysis of the rounds by some players and b) both posting and voting based on gut feelings, emotions, etc. and not strategy. (I admit that my traveling this game makes me a bit guilty of the former, though not on purpose.) This does not bode well for future WWGs.
I hope by the time I get back on, there will have been a great kumbaya togetherness moment of some sort. One can dream, right?
*climbs off soapbox*
Since I won't be back on before round's end, I'm keeping my vote on Sophie as based on rounds and Deb's post, she seems the most logical choice. Fingers crossed.
Deb's list is completely ambiguous, it is certainly a reach for you to conclude you must be clear
in meeting, bbl
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
in meeting, bbl
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
IDK, "leaning human" with no additional subtext (as compared to the others) seems like a divination to me. At minimum, the list seems to narrow things down to the more likely candidates. In light of the behaviors of others, combined with the list and the fact I was the first to vote the wolf last round, it would make it a lot better than 50/50 that I was human. But whatevs. (And yes, I agree Deb should have been a bit more direct last round.)
I think the odds are pretty good Sophie is a wolf; do you all feel Cab is the 3rd?
P.S. Spid, you are not helping my envisioned kumbaya moment come to fruition. LOL
I think the odds are pretty good Sophie is a wolf; do you all feel Cab is the 3rd?
P.S. Spid, you are not helping my envisioned kumbaya moment come to fruition. LOL
How do you follow the logic when it points in the wrong direction and why wouldn't you feel that the person after you is a wolf when you know that you are human.? I've half a mind to vote for myself but that wouldn't help anything. Apologies if I don't like being singled out incorrectly or bashed for my decisions when one of the smarter players (imho) is the one doing it so everyone is following his lead. Why wouldn't I try to put attention on him if I KNOW he's wrong? He's either a very convincing liar or his logic is completely off.
Have to go to lunch (businessish) bbl than ithought
why are you singaling out me, I am your single line of defense to getting shot I am your lone advocate
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
why are you singaling out me, I am your single line of defense to getting shot I am your lone advocate
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Back from lunch,
my problems with this game, are that suspiciouns arnt based on logically reasoned arguments, they are just thrown out there, and no matter how much I supply in my defense, no one responds to it, or engages with it. How can I possibly be top suspect for anyone following last round? Oddrey tried to shoot me in Round 2, Deb possibly cleared me (that Brin ignored this is the encapsulation of my irritation). How can I engage with
Brin: Deb might have vaguely told us Spider was a wolf
Spid: Deb more clearly said Im a human last round
Brin: votes Spider
Its not interesting or possible to play against or with this.
As for this round, I dont see Sophie as partners with Cab (as Sky also explained) or Brin (they would surely be sunk) that would leave Sky/KZ/CC, Im not so sure Sky was cleared by Deb, but for now Im trusting it.....not as much time as I hoped to review the game......will probably vote Sophie unless I hear something put forth, some chance I vote Brin
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
my problems with this game, are that suspiciouns arnt based on logically reasoned arguments, they are just thrown out there, and no matter how much I supply in my defense, no one responds to it, or engages with it. How can I possibly be top suspect for anyone following last round? Oddrey tried to shoot me in Round 2, Deb possibly cleared me (that Brin ignored this is the encapsulation of my irritation). How can I engage with
Brin: Deb might have vaguely told us Spider was a wolf
Spid: Deb more clearly said Im a human last round
Brin: votes Spider
Its not interesting or possible to play against or with this.
As for this round, I dont see Sophie as partners with Cab (as Sky also explained) or Brin (they would surely be sunk) that would leave Sky/KZ/CC, Im not so sure Sky was cleared by Deb, but for now Im trusting it.....not as much time as I hoped to review the game......will probably vote Sophie unless I hear something put forth, some chance I vote Brin
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
The well reasoned discussion based game continues
---- suppose Im closing in on a Sophie vote though I dont have much faith in it, KZ ultimate fly by night posting, if sophie human we are probably going to lose based on certain humans unwilling to listen
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
---- suppose Im closing in on a Sophie vote though I dont have much faith in it, KZ ultimate fly by night posting, if sophie human we are probably going to lose based on certain humans unwilling to listen
Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Voting list
I'm also intrigued as to why sophieDrake isn't more involved in her defense. Or perhaps I missed her posting.
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
It takes 4 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.
bRIN voted for The_Spider
caberet voted for Sophie-Drake
cccgirl voted for Sophie-Drake
Skybet voted for bRIN
Sophie-Drake voted for The_Spider
The_Spider voted for Sophie-Drake
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
im curious why Dab's divination list seems more informative to me than to others. To be considered later...bRIN voted for The_Spider
caberet voted for Sophie-Drake
cccgirl voted for Sophie-Drake
Skybet voted for bRIN
Sophie-Drake voted for The_Spider
The_Spider voted for Sophie-Drake
Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.
I'm also intrigued as to why sophieDrake isn't more involved in her defense. Or perhaps I missed her posting.
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
Why would I engage if I'm only to be insulted. I merely made a suggestion that by capitalizing the IS in her post about you that maybe she was hinting you actually were a wolf.
I'm not going to vote sophie as I believe that she is human. Anyone I vote for at this juncture would have nothing to fear. because the wolves have enough people convinced that Sophie is a wolf and won't change their vote from her.
I will change my vote to Cab or KZ if it makes you feel better but I'm afraid it still won't help the situation.
Sky has been amazingly quiet until this last round but Deb didn't suspect him. I figure she divined him first round. I'm pretty sure she divined me second as we usually suspect each other for some reason or maybe its just me that usually suspects her. I don't know. She said she figured me as human but that could be her own feeling....with nothing more concrete to go on.
as far as my 'ridiculous statment that its better to reveal and be eaten...I still contend that at a certain point the seer should reveal what they know even with the almost certainty of being eaten.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
I'm not going to vote sophie as I believe that she is human. Anyone I vote for at this juncture would have nothing to fear. because the wolves have enough people convinced that Sophie is a wolf and won't change their vote from her.
I will change my vote to Cab or KZ if it makes you feel better but I'm afraid it still won't help the situation.
Sky has been amazingly quiet until this last round but Deb didn't suspect him. I figure she divined him first round. I'm pretty sure she divined me second as we usually suspect each other for some reason or maybe its just me that usually suspects her. I don't know. She said she figured me as human but that could be her own feeling....with nothing more concrete to go on.
as far as my 'ridiculous statment that its better to reveal and be eaten...I still contend that at a certain point the seer should reveal what they know even with the almost certainty of being eaten.
Your love gave me memories too beautiful to forget.
Less than 10 mins to go. Barring any last minute changes, we'll be getting results of Sophie's autopsy.
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
I didnt say that was ridiculous, I agree with that, I said it was ridiculous that Odd wasnt in your top 3 suspects. And again, how can I respond to an accusation that Deb *kind of maybe* in a way that she even contradicted herself said i was wolfy, when I point out in Round 4 she said I was human, and it seemed to have zero influence.
This is a round after where Deb seems to have at least, reasonably possibly, divined me, it is a bit irksome I have two votes on me without mention of this.
CC also had something I found odd, in that she rapidly joined the Sophie vote (citing Deb) but then pointed out how it seemed obvious her and Brin were clear. This seems to give Deb far too much 'divination currency' as Cab was also cited as a wolf, so it doesnt seem like she knew where she stood on Debs divines
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
This is a round after where Deb seems to have at least, reasonably possibly, divined me, it is a bit irksome I have two votes on me without mention of this.
CC also had something I found odd, in that she rapidly joined the Sophie vote (citing Deb) but then pointed out how it seemed obvious her and Brin were clear. This seems to give Deb far too much 'divination currency' as Cab was also cited as a wolf, so it doesnt seem like she knew where she stood on Debs divines
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Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can - Sun Tzu
Brin - I have immunity! You can't vote for me.
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
"I discovered I scream the same whether I'm about to be devoured by a Great White or if a piece of seaweed touches my foot." Axl Rose
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