The Werewolf Game
Game #486: Werewolf Game
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Well hopefully we got a wolf with Fathead. I was about to change my vote before the round ended since he was my second suspect after beetle but Kethry beat me to it. I would still like to hear beetle tell us why she didn't vote for bexta in the first round if she was sure bexta was a wolf, but since the round just began I'm not going to make any decisions yet.
I did say I would not be on during the night round to be a proof that I was not a wolf - unfortunately I got home early and needed to vote for a boss or be ousted in that game and needed to respond to three interview questions. I'll need to read the last discussion - I've not done that yet - just wanted to explain why I was on earlier. I'm of course not a wolf but would still like to prove it.
Celebrate the moment!
Celebrate the moment!
sorry hufflepuffle - i'm not very well at the moment, which is why I didn't come back last round, and why I couldn't explain myself.;
well, i know this sounds silly, but I didn't count the votes in round 1 - I thought there'd be more time to vote for bexta if he kept on being annoying with the typing and sounding werewolfish... And if you really sit back and look at the first round there are a few people who said they wanted to vote for bexta - so how come you're singling me out??
And, why can't I be suprised when someone is killed off? I mean, everyone has their list of suspicious people, I just voiced my suprise, thats all. Forgive me for saying who I thought was suspicous, I won't do it again - what a weird game it'd be if we all did that!!!
I think I might vote for you, Hufflepuffle, purely because you've singled me out of a bunch of (I think it was) 4 who said they thought bexta was a wolf, but didn't vote for him. I went with the majority on sweetpretty intending to keep an eye on bexta and then declare my vote for him once I had some substantial evidence....
Another thing: if I had voted bexta in the first round, wouldn't everyone find that suspicous? i mean, we killed Fathead and he was the only one who voted bexta in the first round...
To answer your question hufflepuffle, i didn't vote for bexta because I don't like to waste my votes, I wanted to wait and see if my suspicions really did add up. And by saying so, i was only pronouncing my suprise.
I have to go back to bed, so I might not see the reply I get, but please don't think I'm being rude by not answering any queries, I'm sick but I'll try and get back on before it times out.
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well, i know this sounds silly, but I didn't count the votes in round 1 - I thought there'd be more time to vote for bexta if he kept on being annoying with the typing and sounding werewolfish... And if you really sit back and look at the first round there are a few people who said they wanted to vote for bexta - so how come you're singling me out??
And, why can't I be suprised when someone is killed off? I mean, everyone has their list of suspicious people, I just voiced my suprise, thats all. Forgive me for saying who I thought was suspicous, I won't do it again - what a weird game it'd be if we all did that!!!
I think I might vote for you, Hufflepuffle, purely because you've singled me out of a bunch of (I think it was) 4 who said they thought bexta was a wolf, but didn't vote for him. I went with the majority on sweetpretty intending to keep an eye on bexta and then declare my vote for him once I had some substantial evidence....
Another thing: if I had voted bexta in the first round, wouldn't everyone find that suspicous? i mean, we killed Fathead and he was the only one who voted bexta in the first round...
To answer your question hufflepuffle, i didn't vote for bexta because I don't like to waste my votes, I wanted to wait and see if my suspicions really did add up. And by saying so, i was only pronouncing my suprise.
I have to go back to bed, so I might not see the reply I get, but please don't think I'm being rude by not answering any queries, I'm sick but I'll try and get back on before it times out.
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beetle, you misunderstood me. I wasn't suspicious of you because you didn't vote for bexta in round 1. By the time you voted, it wouldn't have made a difference who you voted for. What I found strange was that you didn't say you were suspicious of bexta until round 2 after she was already dead. If you thought she was a werewolf, why didn't you say so in round 1? Maybe you really did suspect bexta but wanted to wait until you had hard evidence to say so--I can believe that. What I can't believe is that you would vote for me when I've already been cleared by mocha's list. That seems pretty wolfish to me! Anyway, I hope you feel better.
Well, does anyone else have any other suspicions who might be a wolf? I'm still open to ideas though beetle remains my main suspect.
Edited to clean up wording. One of these days I'll learn to proofread before I post.
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Well, does anyone else have any other suspicions who might be a wolf? I'm still open to ideas though beetle remains my main suspect.
Edited to clean up wording. One of these days I'll learn to proofread before I post.
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Well while you two are fighting the wolves are out there somewhere sneaking in for the kill. It's hard to know if either one of you is a wolf because of all the bantering. Im going to vote for someone entirely different than the both of you, I just have to reread the discussion first so it will be in the morning when I vote.
Resistance is Futile, You WILL be Assimilated
Resistance is Futile, You WILL be Assimilated
sorry - were you cleared? i didn't see that - again, you'll have to forgive me - this is aside from the game, but the drugs I am taking have me both very forgetful (I bet you wouldn't believe this, but the other day, I forgot my boyfriend of 2 year's name... luckily he's really understanding!! ops, and also at points when I'm not feeling very well I don't read all of the posts... so I'm really sorry if your name has been cleared and I either didn't read it or forgot I had read it.
Well, i didn't want to vote for bexta because, as I've said eariler, I wanted to wait and see whether my assumptions added up. If you still want to vote for me, go ahead. I don't know what else I can say to prove that I'm not a werewolf (if you have any other questions though, go ahead and ask).
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Well, i didn't want to vote for bexta because, as I've said eariler, I wanted to wait and see whether my assumptions added up. If you still want to vote for me, go ahead. I don't know what else I can say to prove that I'm not a werewolf (if you have any other questions though, go ahead and ask).
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Here is what mocha posted last round:
Night round ended early, which began & ended the same day by Braingle Time, and none of the above had logged in before the next round began. Therefore they are all human.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
What luck! The night started and ended after midnight braingle time, these people haven't been on since "yesterday"
dach
huffel
kethry
kittycat
witty
That must clear them! YAY!!! We've got hard evidence!!!
dach
huffel
kethry
kittycat
witty
That must clear them! YAY!!! We've got hard evidence!!!
Night round ended early, which began & ended the same day by Braingle Time, and none of the above had logged in before the next round began. Therefore they are all human.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Greetings I've been doing some running so I needed to re-read rounds. I'm going to vote Rascalian.
We've deduced that in these players there must be a wolf
myself
Rascalian
mocha613 (pointed out the humans - usually not a wolf action*)
cinnamon30
BorgQueen
beetle22
cyndy296
* I also did the homework and verified the names given.
There are many tecniques that the wolves use, so I've put all the above players posts together for stand alone reading. Cinn & mocha like myself are talkers -
First thing I saw that stood out was Rascalian vote -
here is a note posted by Cinn 2nd round
cinnamon30 voted for cyndy296
cyndy296 voted for cinnamon30
dachshund2k3 voted for FatHead
FatHead voted for cinnamon30
Hufflepuffle voted for beetle22
Kethry voted for beetle22
kittycat3000 voted for FatHeadwe know these in blue are human
Rascalian voted for FatHead
zonarita voted for FatHead
The vote for FatHead was started by myself - a thought from a feeling about the little yellow fellow eated.
Rascalian jumped on that vote - The wolves can see who the humans are and I think many wolves jump on the first human vote and usually will not vote for another wolf. Once there are many votes people will vote the group just to get the round to end so the game goes on.
Rascalian is a new player - going with the first human vote is a first reaction vote for a first time player who is a wolf. (This is just my own personal experience - I was a wolf my first game it was hard not to have tells - I was shot early in that game.)
I hope this makes sense. Questions? I have more but don't want to give you more than will be read.
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Celebrate the moment!
We've deduced that in these players there must be a wolf
myself
Rascalian
mocha613 (pointed out the humans - usually not a wolf action*)
cinnamon30
BorgQueen
beetle22
cyndy296
* I also did the homework and verified the names given.
There are many tecniques that the wolves use, so I've put all the above players posts together for stand alone reading. Cinn & mocha like myself are talkers -
First thing I saw that stood out was Rascalian vote -
here is a note posted by Cinn 2nd round
cinnamon30 voted for cyndy296
cyndy296 voted for cinnamon30
dachshund2k3 voted for FatHead
FatHead voted for cinnamon30
Hufflepuffle voted for beetle22
Kethry voted for beetle22
kittycat3000 voted for FatHeadwe know these in blue are human
Rascalian voted for FatHead
zonarita voted for FatHead
The vote for FatHead was started by myself - a thought from a feeling about the little yellow fellow eated.
Rascalian jumped on that vote - The wolves can see who the humans are and I think many wolves jump on the first human vote and usually will not vote for another wolf. Once there are many votes people will vote the group just to get the round to end so the game goes on.
Rascalian is a new player - going with the first human vote is a first reaction vote for a first time player who is a wolf. (This is just my own personal experience - I was a wolf my first game it was hard not to have tells - I was shot early in that game.)
I hope this makes sense. Questions? I have more but don't want to give you more than will be read.
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sorry - you've lost me about rascalian... its just a bit confusing
what is the 'first reaction' on a first player who is wolf? voting with the majority? huh??
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what is the 'first reaction' on a first player who is wolf? voting with the majority? huh??
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oh and sorry for te doube postings - hufflepuffle - i can't change your vote until i decide to vote for someone else. it seems that once you vote, you have to vote for someone. so to avoid anyone else getting narky with me, you're my vote until its decided who we're gonna go for. (i don't want to change my vote so its off you and onto someone else who is wondering why i've decided to vote for them when I haven't explained what i'm doing.)
so yeh, my vote is still on you until more evidence has been collected and we have a definite suspect...
ohhh and re-reading your post, i see what you mean zonarita...that is pretty wolvish behaviour.
If you do have more evidence against rascalian, can we hear it please? cos i don't want to vote someone out willy-nilly...
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so yeh, my vote is still on you until more evidence has been collected and we have a definite suspect...
ohhh and re-reading your post, i see what you mean zonarita...that is pretty wolvish behaviour.
If you do have more evidence against rascalian, can we hear it please? cos i don't want to vote someone out willy-nilly...
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Mocha, I never got to answer your question last round about where you fell into my reasoning. The round ended once I logged on again to see your post. When I made the post, at that point you had not voted along with a few others. I didn't point out everyone because I have not been "swayed" one way or the other about those players. I was making comments mostly about those who had voted. Mostly I was talking out loud to myself to see if my reasoning was any good. Sometimes when I see it in writing it helps my thinking.
The reasoning I had made about Rascalian & Zonarita, at that point, doesn't seem so logical now that I see it in black and white. Zonarta has voted so far in this round for Rascalian. Previously I stated that both zonarita & rascalian could have been wolves voting for Fathead. If that were true then why would zonarita vote for rascalian this round. I don't believe that wolves vote for fellow wolves early in a round. Now if there was a lot of votes against a wolf then I could see a wolf voting for a fellow wolf as to not look suspicious. I don't want to believe a wolf would vote early in a round for another wolf, so for now I don't think zonarita is a wolf. I still have my suspicions about Rascalian though.
Beetle is standing out more as a wolf this round as well. I don't buy the whole didn't see the post clearing Huffle explanation. You made the effort to log on and make a lengthy post, then I have to assume you either didn't read previous rounds before making the comments or you are a wolf trying to start a vote against a human, that you didn't realize was already cleared. I get that you are sick and can certainly understand not remembering things, as I myself am that way when I am not sick. But if you go to the trouble to make a post, and one that wasn't short, then I would think you would want all the info in the game first before making such a post. Especially if you are a wolf. I will wait before voting, but would like to see what other players post. There is still lots of time left.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
The reasoning I had made about Rascalian & Zonarita, at that point, doesn't seem so logical now that I see it in black and white. Zonarta has voted so far in this round for Rascalian. Previously I stated that both zonarita & rascalian could have been wolves voting for Fathead. If that were true then why would zonarita vote for rascalian this round. I don't believe that wolves vote for fellow wolves early in a round. Now if there was a lot of votes against a wolf then I could see a wolf voting for a fellow wolf as to not look suspicious. I don't want to believe a wolf would vote early in a round for another wolf, so for now I don't think zonarita is a wolf. I still have my suspicions about Rascalian though.
Beetle is standing out more as a wolf this round as well. I don't buy the whole didn't see the post clearing Huffle explanation. You made the effort to log on and make a lengthy post, then I have to assume you either didn't read previous rounds before making the comments or you are a wolf trying to start a vote against a human, that you didn't realize was already cleared. I get that you are sick and can certainly understand not remembering things, as I myself am that way when I am not sick. But if you go to the trouble to make a post, and one that wasn't short, then I would think you would want all the info in the game first before making such a post. Especially if you are a wolf. I will wait before voting, but would like to see what other players post. There is still lots of time left.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
cinn, thanks for the response! I realized we simulposted, but I was just curious if a larger number of people (I know 1 is not largue, but yeah...) voting for fathead would effect your reasoning about them. Now, you just said:
But couldn't rascalian be human and therefor zonarita would be using the situation to place blame on rascalian? I know when I've been a wolf, I've tried to use situations of many people being indecisive about two people to place the blame on the known human, that way they look less accusitoru, since many people already are leaning that direction.
zonarita, I agree with your logic about how its not the first person to put out a vote, but rather, the second or third person who makes that vote our likely bullet recipient who is most suspicious. I want to keep thinking about that a little while longer before making a decision, but I'm keeping it in mind.
Also, I'm a little suspect of zonarita because she was on during the night, even when she said she couldn't, so that would clear her (I read your situation, I merely say that it makes you a little more suspicious than not, not that that is a reason for me to vote for you right now). It just seems odd that your defense last round was that you would be cleared after this night because you couldn't be on, so don't bother voting for you, but here you are, and you were on...
EDIT: Formatting, sorry, I didn't even look after I posted before leaving!!!
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"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
I don't want to believe a wolf would vote early in a round for another wolf, so for now I don't think zonarita is a wolf.
But couldn't rascalian be human and therefor zonarita would be using the situation to place blame on rascalian? I know when I've been a wolf, I've tried to use situations of many people being indecisive about two people to place the blame on the known human, that way they look less accusitoru, since many people already are leaning that direction.
zonarita, I agree with your logic about how its not the first person to put out a vote, but rather, the second or third person who makes that vote our likely bullet recipient who is most suspicious. I want to keep thinking about that a little while longer before making a decision, but I'm keeping it in mind.
Also, I'm a little suspect of zonarita because she was on during the night, even when she said she couldn't, so that would clear her (I read your situation, I merely say that it makes you a little more suspicious than not, not that that is a reason for me to vote for you right now). It just seems odd that your defense last round was that you would be cleared after this night because you couldn't be on, so don't bother voting for you, but here you are, and you were on...
EDIT: Formatting, sorry, I didn't even look after I posted before leaving!!!
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"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Beetle your post makes me feel even more strongly that I've voted the right way. I've rewritten my post and hope it makes better sense to you and anyone else who reads it. My more is about other players I think could be a wolf. I'll share that when the next round starts - unless you eat me over night.
My boss game is ending in eleven hours and I think this round will be over by then. I'm logging off the computer now and will not be back before the next round. I'll watch so as not to sign on until the game starts again. Mocha I hope you'll have time to check me out and give me a human seal of approval. smile(After the game ends check the plus # more users it gives the last thirty minutes of who was on by 15 min incriments. If it is close to the end of the Braingle day you'll see I've not been on.
All my notes for previous rounds since the game started are on my daughter's computer in another town. I've had to re do a lot of post copying.
This is everything said by Rascalian since the game started. (staying under the radar, yet learning the game quickly.)
Rascalian -
2nd round -
No post at this point in this round.
Celebrate the moment!
My boss game is ending in eleven hours and I think this round will be over by then. I'm logging off the computer now and will not be back before the next round. I'll watch so as not to sign on until the game starts again. Mocha I hope you'll have time to check me out and give me a human seal of approval. smile(After the game ends check the plus # more users it gives the last thirty minutes of who was on by 15 min incriments. If it is close to the end of the Braingle day you'll see I've not been on.
All my notes for previous rounds since the game started are on my daughter's computer in another town. I've had to re do a lot of post copying.
This is everything said by Rascalian since the game started. (staying under the radar, yet learning the game quickly.)
Rascalian -
This is my first time playing but the nactive strategy sounds like a good way to start the game
I must confess that all of these strategies sound very interesting and baffling. I hope I pick things up quickly.
I must confess that all of these strategies sound very interesting and baffling. I hope I pick things up quickly.
2nd round -
Ok, so that leaves: me, beetle22, BorgQueen, cinnamon30, cyndy296, FatHead, mocha613, zonarita as potential wolves, right?
Zonarita, are you saying Fathead shouldn't be on the suspect list?
I was just curious since I don't see Fathead on mocha's list
I guess my first instinct is to vote for Fathead since his vote yesterday was for the same person who was gotten rid of during the night. I mean, I think the list narrows things down but it still seems rather arbitrary, so I wont mind changing my vote either. Alphabetical works as well if we want to try that way, see as though I'm towards the bottom After the next night our list should be shorter it seems.
Zonarita, are you saying Fathead shouldn't be on the suspect list?
I was just curious since I don't see Fathead on mocha's list
I guess my first instinct is to vote for Fathead since his vote yesterday was for the same person who was gotten rid of during the night. I mean, I think the list narrows things down but it still seems rather arbitrary, so I wont mind changing my vote either. Alphabetical works as well if we want to try that way, see as though I'm towards the bottom After the next night our list should be shorter it seems.
No post at this point in this round.
Celebrate the moment!
Mocha, I can understand your concern - if you want to vote for me do. I am not a wolf
I'm sorry about posting - with a change of houses I was reminded by my spouse I had questions on the interview I'd not responded to and got on without thinking about this game - I was close to being fired in the boss game had I not voted time was running out - you are the one keeping track of times. These could easily have been verified yesterday when I posted in the game. I did not come on again till after the game started. I post right away because of what I did.
In my post for FatHead - I left room for the possibility that he was human and unless someone had good reason - he might be cleared. The votes posted by Cin (sorry for the shortening of your avi)- posted above -during the round show two known humans going with the group and I think Ras jumping on a human vote because it was there.
It is just my personal hunch - (I think we humans need to share what we are thinking - yes I know that gets us eaten by wolves if we are fingering wolves. Beetle was also on my hunch list. I only post it so those of us growing from how games are posted can look at it when the game is over. I know very few of those playing the game so I'm only going on the game posts.
Sorry if I've offended. I'm also sorry I've aroused your suspicion. That is the name of the game.
Good luck humans.
Celebrate the moment!
I'm sorry about posting - with a change of houses I was reminded by my spouse I had questions on the interview I'd not responded to and got on without thinking about this game - I was close to being fired in the boss game had I not voted time was running out - you are the one keeping track of times. These could easily have been verified yesterday when I posted in the game. I did not come on again till after the game started. I post right away because of what I did.
In my post for FatHead - I left room for the possibility that he was human and unless someone had good reason - he might be cleared. The votes posted by Cin (sorry for the shortening of your avi)- posted above -during the round show two known humans going with the group and I think Ras jumping on a human vote because it was there.
It is just my personal hunch - (I think we humans need to share what we are thinking - yes I know that gets us eaten by wolves if we are fingering wolves. Beetle was also on my hunch list. I only post it so those of us growing from how games are posted can look at it when the game is over. I know very few of those playing the game so I'm only going on the game posts.
Sorry if I've offended. I'm also sorry I've aroused your suspicion. That is the name of the game.
Good luck humans.
Celebrate the moment!
I had thought about that mocah. I do believe zonarita is smart enough to use that reasoning as well. So I guess I'm back to square 1 with Rascalian & zonarita.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I'm really getting lost here...
is it possible that we create one list? of all the definite humans (and why they're definite), all the suspect wolves (and why they're suspect), and all inbetweens???
oh, and just a question for the moderator - are you supposed to be telling us whether we shot a human or wolf? cos we haven't been told if FatHead was a wolf yet..
I think if we work out FatHeads identity, we might be able to work out a wolf.
look, i honestly didn't see the post until someone pointed it out to me. I know this isn't anyones intention, but I already am feeling pretty crappy about my short-term memory loss (last night I forgot I had had dinner, and started cooking the same meal all over again...). If you guys want to think that I really did see this post and I really didn't remember it, go ahead. That's what happened, and I feel horrible that I'm not in control of my life. So shoot me (not literally ).
I can't say anything else other than I forgot. If thats not a good enough defence, I'm sorry, thats all I have.
Cin, if you look back, the only thing that I forgot was Mocha being cleared. Everything else, I didn't need to go back over the posts, because Mocha was asking me why I didn't say I'd vote for baxta...So the me-making-a-long-post-even-though-i'm-forgetful doesn't really enter into anything here, because I was talking about my opinion, not what other people had said.
So what are you on about then??!
I'm going to vote for you. I read over the posts and from what I can see, your name hasn't been cleared (but correct me if I'm wrong!!) and you have decided that I'm a good target even though I have answered all of your and hufflepuffle's questions (aside from the game, I love your username, hufflepuffle!!).
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is it possible that we create one list? of all the definite humans (and why they're definite), all the suspect wolves (and why they're suspect), and all inbetweens???
oh, and just a question for the moderator - are you supposed to be telling us whether we shot a human or wolf? cos we haven't been told if FatHead was a wolf yet..
I think if we work out FatHeads identity, we might be able to work out a wolf.
look, i honestly didn't see the post until someone pointed it out to me. I know this isn't anyones intention, but I already am feeling pretty crappy about my short-term memory loss (last night I forgot I had had dinner, and started cooking the same meal all over again...). If you guys want to think that I really did see this post and I really didn't remember it, go ahead. That's what happened, and I feel horrible that I'm not in control of my life. So shoot me (not literally ).
I can't say anything else other than I forgot. If thats not a good enough defence, I'm sorry, thats all I have.
Cin, if you look back, the only thing that I forgot was Mocha being cleared. Everything else, I didn't need to go back over the posts, because Mocha was asking me why I didn't say I'd vote for baxta...So the me-making-a-long-post-even-though-i'm-forgetful doesn't really enter into anything here, because I was talking about my opinion, not what other people had said.
So what are you on about then??!
I'm going to vote for you. I read over the posts and from what I can see, your name hasn't been cleared (but correct me if I'm wrong!!) and you have decided that I'm a good target even though I have answered all of your and hufflepuffle's questions (aside from the game, I love your username, hufflepuffle!!).
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With over 24 hours left, I don't feel like I need to make any final voting decisions, but I think I'll post my reasoning.
I pretty certain that mocha is a human. As zonarita pointed out, it's very unlikely that a wolf would post a list clearing so many people. She could easily have kept it to herself and no one would have been the wiser. I have no reason to doubt the names on the list. When I logged on, dachshund and kittycat had still not been on. We know Kethry was human, and naturally I know that I'm human. The only name I can't confirm is WittyKitty. I'm pretty confident mocha is human.
As far as everyone else is concerned, it all depends on whether FatHead was a wolf or not.
Case 1: FatHead was a wolf
We know there are probably two remaining wolves out there somewhere and we can clear several players from the list of suspects:
cinnamon – probably not a wolf because FatHead voted for her early in the round
zonarita – probably not a wolf because she started the vote for FatHead
Rascalian – probably not a wolf because she seconded the vote for FatHead early on
That would narrow the possible wolves to:
beetle22
Borgqueen
cyndy
Of these three, I'm leaning toward beetle (for reasons I've already stated) and Borgqueen. Borgqueen's been laying pretty low though she seemed to think I was wasting my time with beetle. I'll be very interested to see who she votes for in the morning.
Case 2: FatHead was a human
If FatHead was a human, there are probably three wolves remaining. I don't think beetle, Borgqueen and cyndy are any more or less suspicious than they would be if FatHead was a wolf, so the main differences would be cinnamon, zonarita and Rascalian
zonarita – although I don't see anything that clears her, on the whole I'm leaning toward her being a human. When she posted her confirmation of mocha's list she included FatHead on it even though she later voted for him. If she was a wolf setting FatHead (in this case, a human) up for being shot, why include him on the list at all? In fact, the very fact that she posted a confirmation list that matched up closely with mocha's makes me think she's less likely to be a wolf
cinnamon - again, nothing really clears her, but she did defend mocha's list when beetle questioned it. That doesn't really mean anything, but since I haven't seen her do anything suspicious, she not at the top of my list of possible wolves
Rascalian -- hasn't really posted much, so it's hard to tell but did second zonarita's vote for FatHead pretty quickly. If FatHead was human, I think Rascalian could very well be a wolf.
Of all the suspects I have if FatHead was human, I'd probably lean toward Rascalian, beetle and Borgqueen the most. Since beetle and Borgqueen seems suspicious to me no matter who FatHead was, they seem like the best votes for this round.
So beetle, I may very well vote for you after all. It's nothing personal, but we have to vote for someone. However, I would be very curious to see how you think is a wolf. Maybe you can persuade me to change me to change my mind.
Please let me know if any of my reasoning is faulty, or if I've left anyone out.
Edited to respond to beetle's post:
It would definitely help if we knew whether FatHead was a human or wolf. I checked the moderators login time a few minutes ago, though, and she hasn't logged in for 10 days! So much for that. Well, I do hope you feel better soon. Being sick stinks!
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I pretty certain that mocha is a human. As zonarita pointed out, it's very unlikely that a wolf would post a list clearing so many people. She could easily have kept it to herself and no one would have been the wiser. I have no reason to doubt the names on the list. When I logged on, dachshund and kittycat had still not been on. We know Kethry was human, and naturally I know that I'm human. The only name I can't confirm is WittyKitty. I'm pretty confident mocha is human.
As far as everyone else is concerned, it all depends on whether FatHead was a wolf or not.
Case 1: FatHead was a wolf
We know there are probably two remaining wolves out there somewhere and we can clear several players from the list of suspects:
cinnamon – probably not a wolf because FatHead voted for her early in the round
zonarita – probably not a wolf because she started the vote for FatHead
Rascalian – probably not a wolf because she seconded the vote for FatHead early on
That would narrow the possible wolves to:
beetle22
Borgqueen
cyndy
Of these three, I'm leaning toward beetle (for reasons I've already stated) and Borgqueen. Borgqueen's been laying pretty low though she seemed to think I was wasting my time with beetle. I'll be very interested to see who she votes for in the morning.
Case 2: FatHead was a human
If FatHead was a human, there are probably three wolves remaining. I don't think beetle, Borgqueen and cyndy are any more or less suspicious than they would be if FatHead was a wolf, so the main differences would be cinnamon, zonarita and Rascalian
zonarita – although I don't see anything that clears her, on the whole I'm leaning toward her being a human. When she posted her confirmation of mocha's list she included FatHead on it even though she later voted for him. If she was a wolf setting FatHead (in this case, a human) up for being shot, why include him on the list at all? In fact, the very fact that she posted a confirmation list that matched up closely with mocha's makes me think she's less likely to be a wolf
cinnamon - again, nothing really clears her, but she did defend mocha's list when beetle questioned it. That doesn't really mean anything, but since I haven't seen her do anything suspicious, she not at the top of my list of possible wolves
Rascalian -- hasn't really posted much, so it's hard to tell but did second zonarita's vote for FatHead pretty quickly. If FatHead was human, I think Rascalian could very well be a wolf.
Of all the suspects I have if FatHead was human, I'd probably lean toward Rascalian, beetle and Borgqueen the most. Since beetle and Borgqueen seems suspicious to me no matter who FatHead was, they seem like the best votes for this round.
So beetle, I may very well vote for you after all. It's nothing personal, but we have to vote for someone. However, I would be very curious to see how you think is a wolf. Maybe you can persuade me to change me to change my mind.
Please let me know if any of my reasoning is faulty, or if I've left anyone out.
Edited to respond to beetle's post:
It would definitely help if we knew whether FatHead was a human or wolf. I checked the moderators login time a few minutes ago, though, and she hasn't logged in for 10 days! So much for that. Well, I do hope you feel better soon. Being sick stinks!
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Wow.
So I read through the whole discussion and am thoroughly confused. However, reading through all possible suspects, the most significant evidence points to rascalian. I hate to pick on a new player (considering this is only my third or fourth game), but those are some pretty significant n00b wolf characteristics. I've never been a wolf in any game, so I don't really know how it feels. On the other hand, I've trusted Zonarita's logic before, and frankly I couldn't agree more now. So I will vote for Rascal, just because I may not be able to get on again for the rest of this day round, but my vote is definitely subject to change.
And a big to our mod for being inactive. I love games where the mod gets involved and really changes the dynamic of the game. So that's kind of a bummer. Let's all pm her so she knows to stay active when she gets back? I will do that right now.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~~Albert Einstein
So I read through the whole discussion and am thoroughly confused. However, reading through all possible suspects, the most significant evidence points to rascalian. I hate to pick on a new player (considering this is only my third or fourth game), but those are some pretty significant n00b wolf characteristics. I've never been a wolf in any game, so I don't really know how it feels. On the other hand, I've trusted Zonarita's logic before, and frankly I couldn't agree more now. So I will vote for Rascal, just because I may not be able to get on again for the rest of this day round, but my vote is definitely subject to change.
And a big to our mod for being inactive. I love games where the mod gets involved and really changes the dynamic of the game. So that's kind of a bummer. Let's all pm her so she knows to stay active when she gets back? I will do that right now.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~~Albert Einstein
Beetle wrote:
I posted earlier in this round the humans who were cleared. But if you insist here it is again:
Here is what mocha posted in round 2:
What luck! The night started and ended after midnight braingle time, these people haven't been on since "yesterday"
dach
huffel
kethry
kittycat
witty
That must clear them! YAY!!! We've got hard evidence!!!
In Round 2 night ended early, which began & ended the same day by Braingle Time, and none of the above had logged in before the next round began. Therefore they are all human.
Beetle wrote:
Not true, mocha hadn't even posted and it was huffle who questioned why you voted for them, since they were already cleared.
I know you are sick beetle, and I certainly hope you feel better. The more you post in this game, the more you are confusing yourself and unfortunatly it makes you look more and more like a wolf. So far my vote will be for you this round, but I will await until morning since there is plenty of time left.
Hufflepuff, well said. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
is it possible that we create one list? of all the definite humans (and why they're definite), all the suspect wolves (and why they're suspect), and all inbetweens???
I posted earlier in this round the humans who were cleared. But if you insist here it is again:
Here is what mocha posted in round 2:
What luck! The night started and ended after midnight braingle time, these people haven't been on since "yesterday"
dach
huffel
kethry
kittycat
witty
That must clear them! YAY!!! We've got hard evidence!!!
In Round 2 night ended early, which began & ended the same day by Braingle Time, and none of the above had logged in before the next round began. Therefore they are all human.
Beetle wrote:
Cin, if you look back, the only thing that I forgot was Mocha being cleared. Everything else, I didn't need to go back over the posts, because Mocha was asking me why I didn't say I'd vote for baxta...So the me-making-a-long-post-even-though-i'm-forgetful doesn't really enter into anything here, because I was talking about my opinion, not what other people had said.
Not true, mocha hadn't even posted and it was huffle who questioned why you voted for them, since they were already cleared.
I know you are sick beetle, and I certainly hope you feel better. The more you post in this game, the more you are confusing yourself and unfortunatly it makes you look more and more like a wolf. So far my vote will be for you this round, but I will await until morning since there is plenty of time left.
Hufflepuff, well said. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
The game is going strong so hello again there was only 30 min in the boss game. (I had worried if I voted - I did.)I thought I'd come check where we were - with so much time - I can post again.
I don't think we'll get confirmation from the mod in this game regarding id.
My family wants to play hand and foot so I'm being called on the carpet (RL ya know)
I have seen nothing that makes me change my mind. There has been some wonderful logic shared and some confusion given - I've nothing more to say about either.
I can keep watching until about 10 this evening - I can not post after - if I'm to clear myself in Mocha's eyes.
Celebrate the moment!
I don't think we'll get confirmation from the mod in this game regarding id.
My family wants to play hand and foot so I'm being called on the carpet (RL ya know)
I have seen nothing that makes me change my mind. There has been some wonderful logic shared and some confusion given - I've nothing more to say about either.
I can keep watching until about 10 this evening - I can not post after - if I'm to clear myself in Mocha's eyes.
Celebrate the moment!
Well, reading all these posts in one sitting makes my future in this game seem rather bleak. Besides being on the suspect list I can't claim to understand the evidence against me. But I must admit to liking Huffle's potential summation that allows me the benefit of the doubt, as shady as it may be. I'm taking it that there is no list for round two that can be compared to round one and clear any humans. Also, I've never played before, which seems to be people's leading evidence against me but no one has mentioned the seer this round, can anyone shed some light on that topic?
Anyways, since I seem to be the target this round I take it that my best defense would be picking a more suspicious character.
Beetle has been saying a bunch of things that seem to be leading in circles, but I've been potentially learning from that.
Borgqueen hasn't said much but her post this round was quite plain and simple.
Zonarita has been posting a bunch, mostly against me but I don't care to just vote for someone because they are against me. I did jump on Zon's vote last round against fathead but for the reason I mentioned. It made sense to me that fathead was a wolf since he voted against bexta and then bexta was killed by the wolves. I waited until someone else voted for fathead just because I don't like to take the lead with such, especially since I've never played before. A number of confirmed humans voted for fathead as well so if they are following the lead of two potential wolves then something is up with them.
Cinn has posted a few helpful posts this round, even though she potentially accused me last round. I would like to keep hearing what she has to say.
Cyndy hasn't posted this round and no one has been mentioning her so I don't know what to think of her.
Based on these things my vote is leaning towards Cyndy, I'm going to check the previous rounds to see if anything better pops up to say.
Besides the seer question, I guess does anyone have any reasoning why bexta and kethry were killed by the wolves? Whether fathead was involved with the bexta thing or not do we think it was due to caps thing? And was kethry killed because it was proved she was human or did she say something against anyone? Just curious. I'll post again later after I look at the previous rounds.
Ok, so I checked the previous rounds and cyndy hasn't posted anything of value that I can see. She voted for cinn arbitrarily last round and the first round only had a single posting, even though we were all fishing that round. Nothing suspicious I guess but based on my own interests, nothing of value or learning from her and she is on the suspect list along with me and a number of other people.
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Anyways, since I seem to be the target this round I take it that my best defense would be picking a more suspicious character.
Beetle has been saying a bunch of things that seem to be leading in circles, but I've been potentially learning from that.
Borgqueen hasn't said much but her post this round was quite plain and simple.
Zonarita has been posting a bunch, mostly against me but I don't care to just vote for someone because they are against me. I did jump on Zon's vote last round against fathead but for the reason I mentioned. It made sense to me that fathead was a wolf since he voted against bexta and then bexta was killed by the wolves. I waited until someone else voted for fathead just because I don't like to take the lead with such, especially since I've never played before. A number of confirmed humans voted for fathead as well so if they are following the lead of two potential wolves then something is up with them.
Cinn has posted a few helpful posts this round, even though she potentially accused me last round. I would like to keep hearing what she has to say.
Cyndy hasn't posted this round and no one has been mentioning her so I don't know what to think of her.
Based on these things my vote is leaning towards Cyndy, I'm going to check the previous rounds to see if anything better pops up to say.
Besides the seer question, I guess does anyone have any reasoning why bexta and kethry were killed by the wolves? Whether fathead was involved with the bexta thing or not do we think it was due to caps thing? And was kethry killed because it was proved she was human or did she say something against anyone? Just curious. I'll post again later after I look at the previous rounds.
Ok, so I checked the previous rounds and cyndy hasn't posted anything of value that I can see. She voted for cinn arbitrarily last round and the first round only had a single posting, even though we were all fishing that round. Nothing suspicious I guess but based on my own interests, nothing of value or learning from her and she is on the suspect list along with me and a number of other people.
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Is this a competition to see who can post the longest post? Geez I have made up my mind who Im going to vote for after seeing all the posts and all the reasonings behind everyones suspicions. I think Im going to have to vote for Rascalion, he is inexperienced and seems to be giving himself away as a wolf. I hope I am right and not making a mistake in voting for him.
Resistance is Futile, You WILL be Assimilated
Resistance is Futile, You WILL be Assimilated
*whew* I was gone, throwing a surprise party for a friend, come back to a novel being written. Man I love this game. First of all, before I forget to say it, zonarita, I love hand and foot! We play it every year on new years with some friends of my family. Have fun, and make sure not to get caught not in your foot!
Now, as for the game, Zon, I'm not saying that you are guilty because you were online at night, so were a lot of people. It was just interesting to see that you were on when you said you were not. That's all. I'm not out to get you, I'm not offended, I'm not anything. But saying what I'm thinking is also part of the game, so don't get too upset with me for speaking it. please! I tried to be as polite as possible when I said it, even stating that it made me a little suspicious, not a lot.
Huffle, thats some great information up there, thanks a lot! And everyone else as well, I really appreciate everyones activity in the game, even you wolves who are doing a fantastic job trying to throw us off.
Rascal, you asked why the wolves would have wanted to eat BEXTA, my guess is one of two reasons: 1) they were annoyed by his all caps 2) They wanted to frame Fathead. I know the first time I was a wolf, if the voting had gone for 2 people, I would always try to eat the person without majority, because it would provide a great way to frame the people who voted for them. As you can see, it worked in this game. My guess is Fathead was human and was framed by the wolves.
Since there's still lots of time left in this round, I'm going to hold off voting. I will see you all tomorrow morning!
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Now, as for the game, Zon, I'm not saying that you are guilty because you were online at night, so were a lot of people. It was just interesting to see that you were on when you said you were not. That's all. I'm not out to get you, I'm not offended, I'm not anything. But saying what I'm thinking is also part of the game, so don't get too upset with me for speaking it. please! I tried to be as polite as possible when I said it, even stating that it made me a little suspicious, not a lot.
Huffle, thats some great information up there, thanks a lot! And everyone else as well, I really appreciate everyones activity in the game, even you wolves who are doing a fantastic job trying to throw us off.
Rascal, you asked why the wolves would have wanted to eat BEXTA, my guess is one of two reasons: 1) they were annoyed by his all caps 2) They wanted to frame Fathead. I know the first time I was a wolf, if the voting had gone for 2 people, I would always try to eat the person without majority, because it would provide a great way to frame the people who voted for them. As you can see, it worked in this game. My guess is Fathead was human and was framed by the wolves.
Since there's still lots of time left in this round, I'm going to hold off voting. I will see you all tomorrow morning!
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
So here is what I have come up with so far based on everyone's reasonings above and looking at past votes including this round so far. I will only compare the possible wolves (beetle, Borgqueen, cinnamon, cyndy, mocha, rascalian & Zonarita).
Round 1:
beetle, Borg, mocha & rascalian voted for Fathead.
cyndy, cinnamon & zonarita didn't vote.
Round 2:
cinnamon voted cyndy
cyndy voted cinnamon
mocha, rascalian & zonarita voted Fathead
beetle & borg didn't vote.
Round 3 so far:
beetle voted huffle
Borg & zonarita voted rascalian
rascalian voted cyndy
From Round 1 info: if beetle, borg & rascalian are wolves then sweet would be human.
From round 2 at least 1 of cyndy or cinnamon could be a wolf. I don't believe wolves vote for fellow wolves early in a round and both of us voted early. Since I am human that would leave cyndy as a possible wolf.
From round 3 so far, beetle has voted for a known human. Borgqueen & Zonarita have voted for rascalian, which means there is a good chance they are human. Rascalian has voted for cyndy. At least 1 of them could be a wolf. I am inclined to think rascalian may be using info mentioned in a previous post(by mocha I believe) to look less suspicious and vote for a fellow wolf. I know rascalian is new and trying to learn the game, but I think he has learned quite a bit and enough to be very smart about his moves.
The only one that I cant comment much about is mocha. I believe mocha has voted for 2 humans in the first 2 rounds.
So here are my conclusions: if there are 3 wolves left and I believe there is, then I think they are either beetle, cyndy and rascalian OR beetle, cyndy and mocha. My next 3 votes will be for one of these 4, if I last that long. Somehow I think I will be eaten this round.
I hope all that made sense.
I think I will vote beetle as she is in both lists. If I survive, it will be cyndy next, then hopefully we'll know whether its rascalian or mocha.
Edit: if any of my reasoning is wrong, and it may very well be, then I apologize to any human that I think is a wolf.
The more I look at it the more I am convinced beetle & cyndy are wolves and its 50/50 between rascalian and mocha. In rascalians defense, a few of us have accused him for different reasons and he may be human but others have jumped on the bandwagon to believe he is a wolf. He seems the most easiest to accuse at this point over anyone else. But he may very well be a wolf also. So I am unsure of his fate at this point.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Round 1:
beetle, Borg, mocha & rascalian voted for Fathead.
cyndy, cinnamon & zonarita didn't vote.
Round 2:
cinnamon voted cyndy
cyndy voted cinnamon
mocha, rascalian & zonarita voted Fathead
beetle & borg didn't vote.
Round 3 so far:
beetle voted huffle
Borg & zonarita voted rascalian
rascalian voted cyndy
From Round 1 info: if beetle, borg & rascalian are wolves then sweet would be human.
From round 2 at least 1 of cyndy or cinnamon could be a wolf. I don't believe wolves vote for fellow wolves early in a round and both of us voted early. Since I am human that would leave cyndy as a possible wolf.
From round 3 so far, beetle has voted for a known human. Borgqueen & Zonarita have voted for rascalian, which means there is a good chance they are human. Rascalian has voted for cyndy. At least 1 of them could be a wolf. I am inclined to think rascalian may be using info mentioned in a previous post(by mocha I believe) to look less suspicious and vote for a fellow wolf. I know rascalian is new and trying to learn the game, but I think he has learned quite a bit and enough to be very smart about his moves.
The only one that I cant comment much about is mocha. I believe mocha has voted for 2 humans in the first 2 rounds.
So here are my conclusions: if there are 3 wolves left and I believe there is, then I think they are either beetle, cyndy and rascalian OR beetle, cyndy and mocha. My next 3 votes will be for one of these 4, if I last that long. Somehow I think I will be eaten this round.
I hope all that made sense.
I think I will vote beetle as she is in both lists. If I survive, it will be cyndy next, then hopefully we'll know whether its rascalian or mocha.
Edit: if any of my reasoning is wrong, and it may very well be, then I apologize to any human that I think is a wolf.
The more I look at it the more I am convinced beetle & cyndy are wolves and its 50/50 between rascalian and mocha. In rascalians defense, a few of us have accused him for different reasons and he may be human but others have jumped on the bandwagon to believe he is a wolf. He seems the most easiest to accuse at this point over anyone else. But he may very well be a wolf also. So I am unsure of his fate at this point.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
nah sorry guys - i said i'd change my vote once i got a better idea of who to vote for (cos you aren't able to retract your vote, only change it, so I left it on huffle to avoid confusion (which i did explain).
I'm going to vote rascalian - ifor jumping on the bandwagon with the vote for fathead. all of the other theories seem pretty weak atm...
and again, i am so sorry for my confusing posts - i am on so much medication, i'm confusing everyones names... i'm not trying to cover anything up -
when i said :
Cin, if you look back, the only thing that I forgot was Mocha being cleared. Everything else, I didn't need to go back over the posts, because Mocha was asking me why I didn't say I'd vote for baxta...So the me-making-a-long-post-even-though-i'm-forgetful doesn't really enter into anything here, because I was talking about my opinion, not what other people had said.
replace all of the 'mocha's with hufflepuffle... thats what i meant.
I am so sorry, and so embarrassed, i don't think i'll play this game again until i'm off my tablets once this game is over...
goodness. anyway, rascalian has been alluding to some wolvish behaviour. I'm also voting for him because there seems to be a maj forming against him - but then it wouldn't really matter who I voted for at the moment. I'll go with Ras, because I can't see any evidence against anyone else that I see some depth to, just pointing of fingers...
Going to bed now, hopefully will see you all in the next round
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I'm going to vote rascalian - ifor jumping on the bandwagon with the vote for fathead. all of the other theories seem pretty weak atm...
and again, i am so sorry for my confusing posts - i am on so much medication, i'm confusing everyones names... i'm not trying to cover anything up -
when i said :
Cin, if you look back, the only thing that I forgot was Mocha being cleared. Everything else, I didn't need to go back over the posts, because Mocha was asking me why I didn't say I'd vote for baxta...So the me-making-a-long-post-even-though-i'm-forgetful doesn't really enter into anything here, because I was talking about my opinion, not what other people had said.
replace all of the 'mocha's with hufflepuffle... thats what i meant.
I am so sorry, and so embarrassed, i don't think i'll play this game again until i'm off my tablets once this game is over...
goodness. anyway, rascalian has been alluding to some wolvish behaviour. I'm also voting for him because there seems to be a maj forming against him - but then it wouldn't really matter who I voted for at the moment. I'll go with Ras, because I can't see any evidence against anyone else that I see some depth to, just pointing of fingers...
Going to bed now, hopefully will see you all in the next round
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you know what,m i'm just thinking aloud here - but where does dach sit in all of this? he seems to be keeping low and quiet. Not really pointing fingers, and allowing everyone else to do the deciding for him. That's who I'm going to vote for.
I don't know who the wolves are, but I think they're being quite sneeky (and my muddle-headyness isn't helping me prove my humaness...) anyway, i think we have a few flying under the rader situations occuring. I'm going to keep my eye on rascalian, purely because he is jumping on the bandwagon.
i don't want to be accused of doing that myself later, so i'm going to look in a different direction and point out how quiet and laid back dach is being. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't been cleared yet - how come he's acting so smooth and safe??
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I don't know who the wolves are, but I think they're being quite sneeky (and my muddle-headyness isn't helping me prove my humaness...) anyway, i think we have a few flying under the rader situations occuring. I'm going to keep my eye on rascalian, purely because he is jumping on the bandwagon.
i don't want to be accused of doing that myself later, so i'm going to look in a different direction and point out how quiet and laid back dach is being. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but he hasn't been cleared yet - how come he's acting so smooth and safe??
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Beetle, yet again I'll post the list of cleared humans:
dachshund
hufflepuffle
kethry
kittycat
wittykitty
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
dachshund
hufflepuffle
kethry
kittycat
wittykitty
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
As of right now I have two potential wolves voting against me, it was three until beetle decided to vote for known human, and I have a single human vote against me, so I'm still hopeful the known humans won't be led by potential wolves. I'm still holding strong that cyndy could be a wolf, she hasn't posted anything of relevance and based on her votes she seems to by laying pretty low.
I'm voting for cinn b/c once again she has named me as a wolf which I am not. She is trying to place wolf on whomever as long as it isn't her.
I'm seeing lots of potential wolf strategies forming. Cyndy voting for cinn again and again when no one is currently looking at cinn makes me suspicious of the both of them. Beetle continuously voting for known humans and therefore not really causing controversy because no one else will be voting for known humans. It just seems like these idle votes are allowing people to buy themselves time by not ruffling feathers.
Cyndy, you keep wanting to point the finger at me because I said you were a possible wolf, however I didn't vote for you this round, but intend to next round if I'm still here, and yet Rascalian has voted for you. You choose to vote for me before him this round. That only makes me lean more towards rascalian being a wolf and you don't want to vote for a fellow wolf. I think you are trying take suspicions off yourself.
Rascalian I said it before and will say it again, both cyndy and I can't be a wolf, since I know which I am. Either 1 of us is or we both are human. I know which I am and I think cyndy is trying desperatly to make me look more suspicious as a wolf than herself. Cyndy if you are human then you are definitely looking in the wrong direction and may want to consider 1 of the others considered a possible wolf: beetle, Borgqueen, mocha, rascalian or zonarita. The more you continue to say I am a wolf the more you convince me you are a wolf and not human.
I know one thing, I can't wait for this game to end just to see who the real wolves are. I have got to say its been one of the most awesome games I have played in. I love it!
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Rascalian I said it before and will say it again, both cyndy and I can't be a wolf, since I know which I am. Either 1 of us is or we both are human. I know which I am and I think cyndy is trying desperatly to make me look more suspicious as a wolf than herself. Cyndy if you are human then you are definitely looking in the wrong direction and may want to consider 1 of the others considered a possible wolf: beetle, Borgqueen, mocha, rascalian or zonarita. The more you continue to say I am a wolf the more you convince me you are a wolf and not human.
I know one thing, I can't wait for this game to end just to see who the real wolves are. I have got to say its been one of the most awesome games I have played in. I love it!
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Well, Cinn, since you too are suspicious of cyndy and are considering voting for her next round and it only appears that huffle may second your beetle vote right now, I'd like to hope you're considering switching that vote this round. I'd say it can't really hurt since I seem to have a target on me, especially since I find nearly all of the suspects suspicious.
I don't care if you want to vote me off then do it. The mod hasn't been on for 11 days so we wont get any help with who is a wolf anyways.
Beetle, I feel so sorry for you. You must really be drugged because you are messed up, dude.
I won't bother to repost the list of cleared humans, but I am cleared (see the post after yours). Therefore I really don't have to defend myself. In addition, I've taken kind of a passive role in this game, due to my immense schoolwork load. However, I try to pop on every day and add some insight; whatever and whenever I can. I'm not much of a big poster though, because I'm a perfectionist and I have this fear of getting things wrong. I especially don't want to start accusations for somebody that's a human.
I have to say, though, expect confirmed humans to be eaten, and soon. The wolves know they can't vote us off, so they're gonna have to eat us, i.e. Kethry.
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~~Albert Einstein
I won't bother to repost the list of cleared humans, but I am cleared (see the post after yours). Therefore I really don't have to defend myself. In addition, I've taken kind of a passive role in this game, due to my immense schoolwork load. However, I try to pop on every day and add some insight; whatever and whenever I can. I'm not much of a big poster though, because I'm a perfectionist and I have this fear of getting things wrong. I especially don't want to start accusations for somebody that's a human.
I have to say, though, expect confirmed humans to be eaten, and soon. The wolves know they can't vote us off, so they're gonna have to eat us, i.e. Kethry.
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~~Albert Einstein
What if, and this is a what if, cyndy were to be the seer, and has only received one positive identification of a wolf, being cinn. She keeps accusing him over and over with little back up because she really doesn't have any back up without revealing herself? And Cinn keeps repeating over and over that he is innocent, therefore she has to be a wolf. When I try to provide logic to others to try to convince them I'm innocent, I try not to use the assumption that I am innocent unless they all agree I am (for example, I know some of you believe me to be innocent because I posted the list, but I know others of you are not, so I would not go about saying Cinn must be wolf because I'm human and he is suspicious of me, or something like that) This is such a strange defense (I'm human so you are not) that I think cinn is just trying to shake off such an nonthreatening accusation and trying to not raise alarm amongst the rest of us.
Now, this was just a random thought that I had. Cyndy, if you are the seer trying to stay low to keep from being found out, I'm very sorry about this. If cyndy is not the seer and cinn, you get outed because of this post, I am also very sorry about this. I just had this random thought, and the pieces seemed to fall together so nice, I couldn't help but post it. I'm going to vote for cinn at this point.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Now, this was just a random thought that I had. Cyndy, if you are the seer trying to stay low to keep from being found out, I'm very sorry about this. If cyndy is not the seer and cinn, you get outed because of this post, I am also very sorry about this. I just had this random thought, and the pieces seemed to fall together so nice, I couldn't help but post it. I'm going to vote for cinn at this point.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Mocha, that sounds like a decent bit of speculation but I admit that I am in need of a bandwagon to jump on to save my own neck. I find cyndy to be suspicious but perhaps she is the seer and that could account for it. My change of vote will be held against me I'm sure but as of right now a number of people are suspect and no one is supporting my thoughts.
Funny you should mention cyndy being the seer. I had actually thought that maybe you were the seer mocha. I guess that answers that question.
The whole i'm human so you are not scenario is not quite true how you put it mocha. Put yourself in my shoes. Obviously I know if I am wolf or human. If cyndy and I vote for each other, do you think if we were both wolves that we would do that. I would like to think that there are no 2 wolves in any game that would do that. Therefore either 1 of us is a wolf or we are both human. I have stated this in 2 of my above posts. I just feel rather strongly that cyndy is a wolf rather than human. I wouldn't vote for her because she voted for me, which is basically what she did last round. This round, by continuing to vote for me, sounds like she is insisting I am a wolf, in my opinion. Since I know I am human I think she is a wolf. I could very well be wrong about her, but thats where I stand at this point.
The reason I haven't changed my vote to her this round is because I think out of any of the possible suspects, beetle is #1 most likely to be a wolf, therefore my vote remains with beetle.
Mocha, if you feel I am a wolf, so be it. But as you said, most people don't want to think you are a wolf because of the list you provided. In my opinion that doesn't clear you, as I have seen wolves in the past make the same type of post. And I do believe that both zonarita & I backed you up on that post and said you were correct. So if you want people to believe you are not a wolf based on that, then wouldn't it stand to reason that both zonarita & I should be considered human as well because we backed up your post.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
The whole i'm human so you are not scenario is not quite true how you put it mocha. Put yourself in my shoes. Obviously I know if I am wolf or human. If cyndy and I vote for each other, do you think if we were both wolves that we would do that. I would like to think that there are no 2 wolves in any game that would do that. Therefore either 1 of us is a wolf or we are both human. I have stated this in 2 of my above posts. I just feel rather strongly that cyndy is a wolf rather than human. I wouldn't vote for her because she voted for me, which is basically what she did last round. This round, by continuing to vote for me, sounds like she is insisting I am a wolf, in my opinion. Since I know I am human I think she is a wolf. I could very well be wrong about her, but thats where I stand at this point.
The reason I haven't changed my vote to her this round is because I think out of any of the possible suspects, beetle is #1 most likely to be a wolf, therefore my vote remains with beetle.
Mocha, if you feel I am a wolf, so be it. But as you said, most people don't want to think you are a wolf because of the list you provided. In my opinion that doesn't clear you, as I have seen wolves in the past make the same type of post. And I do believe that both zonarita & I backed you up on that post and said you were correct. So if you want people to believe you are not a wolf based on that, then wouldn't it stand to reason that both zonarita & I should be considered human as well because we backed up your post.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Thanks for the vote rascalian. I can see why you want to change it, so someone other than yourself will have as many or more votes than you.
Edit: Rascalian, you are leading me to believe you are a wolf by voting for me. If you are a wolf, then you would know which I am. If you are human, then I understand the change in vote and good luck to all.
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Edit: Rascalian, you are leading me to believe you are a wolf by voting for me. If you are a wolf, then you would know which I am. If you are human, then I understand the change in vote and good luck to all.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Ah, this is all mind-boggling. Right now, I'm leaning towards voting for Beetle. I know that you haven't been feeling the best lately, but I still think that you could be the werewolf. So, right now I'll cast my vote for Beetle.
Livin' that mom-life...
Livin' that mom-life...
None of us are going to be claiming ourselves to be wolves so it doesn't help by saying you know you're not a wolf. Only the wolves know who the wolves are and potentially the seer. I'm just trying to keep playing for as long as possible and right now the votes are pretty close. In this round I don't like having to jump on a bandwagon but it's clearly my only choice.
Its not that I don't appreciate people thinking I'm innocent, its just that it is not proven, so I don't expect people to take it as fact. I also think that you can use the "I think you're a wolf because I'm not" to justify your own vote, but not to try to convince others to vote with you, since we do not know either way with you, rather we all have our own ideas of who is suspect and not. I do appreciate you backing up my list, but a wolf could do that also, just like a wolf could have posted the list. I'm just saying that these actions do not CLEAR people from being suspect, they only make people lean one way or another.
So, that was an interesting response from cinn under pressure... I will consider it, and I am also considering going back to the original person I was going to vote for, since all I really wanted was to get some ideas into the air and see what reaction I got... I still have 8 hours to decide.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
So, that was an interesting response from cinn under pressure... I will consider it, and I am also considering going back to the original person I was going to vote for, since all I really wanted was to get some ideas into the air and see what reaction I got... I still have 8 hours to decide.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Rascalian, I also don't see anyone picking apart or supporting any of my thoughts either, other than the fact 2 people have decided to vote for me, and you changing your vote to me to save your own neck. No one may agree at all with any of my comments. Any insights or comments are certainly welcome. Rascalian, I could just as easily change my vote to you right now to save my own neck as you have done. You are also on my suspect list.
Mocha, I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt so far, but after I posted you as a suspect, you post this idea of cyndy being the seer. You are looking more and more like a wolf as well. But I still feel beetle is the most obvious at this point, so my vote remains the same.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Mocha, I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt so far, but after I posted you as a suspect, you post this idea of cyndy being the seer. You are looking more and more like a wolf as well. But I still feel beetle is the most obvious at this point, so my vote remains the same.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Mocha, I am not under any pressure. If I get shot this round then so be it. Once the game ends you will see how I operate and how my thinking goes. In any game I have ever played, in which I have always been a human, I have been suspected many times because of the way I post. I am sorry if it leads you to think I am a wolf, but if it turns out that you are a wolf then I won't feel sorry.
The last game I played before this one, zonarita was a wolf and did an awesome job of hiding it. A little part of me still nags me to be a little weary of her.
As I said before I can't wait to find out, when the game is over, who the wolves are. By far the best game yet that I have played.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
The last game I played before this one, zonarita was a wolf and did an awesome job of hiding it. A little part of me still nags me to be a little weary of her.
As I said before I can't wait to find out, when the game is over, who the wolves are. By far the best game yet that I have played.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Cinn, I've played with you before, and I remember you being a very active person, that is not what is suspect at all here. I still haven't really decided what my final vote will be. And really, I could care less about being on your suspect list... I'm relatively far down, and I think I should be, since I'm not clear... anyone who was not cleared between round 1 and 2 should, IMO, be on everyone's suspect list.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Sorry mocha I din't mean it to sound as though that was why you posted the whole cyndy being the seer thing. Of course I have to be suspicious because as you said, like yourself, we have not been cleared.
I take no offense by anything you post. I think I have thunk too much in this game.
Everytime I reread my own posts I second guess my reasoning. I have never posted reasonings in any other game before, like I have in this one. At least not to the same extent. I realize that my postings look very wolfish but I have continud to post the same way throughout the game. All I can hope for is that some other players agree to some extent with my reasoning and can maybe shed some light on them, one way or the other. I am sure I have missed some things, with all the posting this game.
I am always open to others opininos and see if they make any sense. For the most part I have looked at past voting and tried to use that to clear some possible wolves, from my standpoint. Hopefully others can do the same and come to some similar conclusions.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I take no offense by anything you post. I think I have thunk too much in this game.
Everytime I reread my own posts I second guess my reasoning. I have never posted reasonings in any other game before, like I have in this one. At least not to the same extent. I realize that my postings look very wolfish but I have continud to post the same way throughout the game. All I can hope for is that some other players agree to some extent with my reasoning and can maybe shed some light on them, one way or the other. I am sure I have missed some things, with all the posting this game.
I am always open to others opininos and see if they make any sense. For the most part I have looked at past voting and tried to use that to clear some possible wolves, from my standpoint. Hopefully others can do the same and come to some similar conclusions.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I'm reading from a distance and I still have a little time so I'm back before this game is over. With less than 8 hours I'm not sure how I can prove I'm not a wolf unless someone checks the online in 45 min and see I'm not here. But that would require checking every 30 minutes and does anyone care that much but me - probably not.
Here are the votes so far:
beetle22 voted for dachshund2k3
BorgQueen voted for Rascalian
cinnamon30 voted for beetle22
cyndy296 voted for cinnamon30
dachshund2k3 voted for Rascalian
mocha613 voted for cinnamon30
Rascalian voted for cinnamon30
WittyKitty voted for beetle22
zonarita voted for Rascalian
Rascalian you above comments made sense to me and I think Cin is all over the place - just too much speculating - I'm going to change my vote to cin. He is really looking wofish to me more than I had thought you were.
This is such a great game with lots of participating - I'm having a hard time staying out of it. Great thinking folks and I think the wolves might be on the run a little - it appears we might have gotten two showing fur this round.
Celebrate the moment!
Here are the votes so far:
beetle22 voted for dachshund2k3
BorgQueen voted for Rascalian
cinnamon30 voted for beetle22
cyndy296 voted for cinnamon30
dachshund2k3 voted for Rascalian
mocha613 voted for cinnamon30
Rascalian voted for cinnamon30
WittyKitty voted for beetle22
zonarita voted for Rascalian
Rascalian you above comments made sense to me and I think Cin is all over the place - just too much speculating - I'm going to change my vote to cin. He is really looking wofish to me more than I had thought you were.
This is such a great game with lots of participating - I'm having a hard time staying out of it. Great thinking folks and I think the wolves might be on the run a little - it appears we might have gotten two showing fur this round.
Celebrate the moment!
Well I guess my fate is sealed this round. There is nothing more I can say to help you see one way or the other that I am human. I hope the rest of you humans can figure this out. I will change my vote to myself to help move the game along. But I can honestly say that I am definitely human and once the game is over you will see that as well. Great job to the wolves for getting me shot this round. I do believe that most of the ones voting for me are the wolves this game.
Good luck to all. By far it has been the most exciting game I have ever played. I am sad to leave in this round , but I will continue to watch and see what happens.
I don't know if I can wait to see who the wolves are.
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Edited again: For those humans left, I do believe I may have hit the nerves of some of the wolves. Be wary of everyone.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Good luck to all. By far it has been the most exciting game I have ever played. I am sad to leave in this round , but I will continue to watch and see what happens.
I don't know if I can wait to see who the wolves are.
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Edited again: For those humans left, I do believe I may have hit the nerves of some of the wolves. Be wary of everyone.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Not a problem, cinn, we almost have so much being said and going round and round, its hard to keep it all straight. After reading some things, I lean toward one person, then I go and lean a different way the next time I get on because someone has presented new information. My head is spinning a bit.
Zon, I appreciate what you are doing. I will try my best to check the log ins after the night ends, but last time I just got lucky when I checked right when I got to work. While I'm teaching I can't check, so lets hope the round ends when SOMEONE can check!!! It would be great to clear some more names!
EDIT: Cinn, we simulposted... I'm sorry you feel you have to vote for your self. Remember, I might still change my vote, which could save you... (like, it's 50% chance. But with 5 now voting for you, you are good as dead...
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"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Zon, I appreciate what you are doing. I will try my best to check the log ins after the night ends, but last time I just got lucky when I checked right when I got to work. While I'm teaching I can't check, so lets hope the round ends when SOMEONE can check!!! It would be great to clear some more names!
EDIT: Cinn, we simulposted... I'm sorry you feel you have to vote for your self. Remember, I might still change my vote, which could save you... (like, it's 50% chance. But with 5 now voting for you, you are good as dead...
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"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
I know how you feel mocha. My head keeps spinning as well.
Zonarita, you say I am all over the place. I don't think so. I have maintained who I believe the wolves are: cyndy, beetle and either rascalian or mocha. That has not waivered at all this round for me.
The rest of my posts are in countering or commenting what someone has posted either about/against me or someone else. I will say again I am sorry if my assumptions are wrong and have falsely accused a human as a wolf. Unfortunately, you guys won't find out this round that I am human since I will be shot.
Mocha, I could have easily changed my vote earlier to rascalian tying the vote, but I didn't want to take a 50/50 chance when I know 1 of them is human. (me)
Edit: mocha if you feel strongly that I am human and you want to change your vote, then I will gladly change my vote to get rid of a wolf. The only option at this point would be to change to rascalian, or change to beetle for a tie vote, which I would not want to do.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Zonarita, you say I am all over the place. I don't think so. I have maintained who I believe the wolves are: cyndy, beetle and either rascalian or mocha. That has not waivered at all this round for me.
The rest of my posts are in countering or commenting what someone has posted either about/against me or someone else. I will say again I am sorry if my assumptions are wrong and have falsely accused a human as a wolf. Unfortunately, you guys won't find out this round that I am human since I will be shot.
Mocha, I could have easily changed my vote earlier to rascalian tying the vote, but I didn't want to take a 50/50 chance when I know 1 of them is human. (me)
Edit: mocha if you feel strongly that I am human and you want to change your vote, then I will gladly change my vote to get rid of a wolf. The only option at this point would be to change to rascalian, or change to beetle for a tie vote, which I would not want to do.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I'm thinking that Cinnamon is innocent. So, I will be changing my vote to Rascalian so that Cinnamon at least will have a chance if someone changes their vote.
Livin' that mom-life...
Livin' that mom-life...
Wow, this is really confusing. I'm really not convinced that cinnamon is a wolf, but I don't think Rascalian is either. I'm going to have to go back and read the posts again to see what I'm going to do, but I do want to address the issue of cyndy possibly being the seer first.
I've been wondering who the seer is, too, but I really don't think it's cyndy. In round 2 when cyndy and cinnamon voted for each other, cyndy did not decide she wanted to vote for cinnamon until cinnamon decided to vote for her. At that point, cyndy couldn't have known cinnamon was a werewolf unless she had decided to divine cinnamon the night before. Since cyndy had no idea that cinnamon was going to accuse her, there's no reason for cyndy to have chosen cinnamon as the person whose identity she wanted to know unless she was already suspicious of cinnamon. However, if cyndy was suspicious of cinnamon after round 1, then why didn't she list those suspicions when she accused cinnamon? It just doesn't add up to me.
The only way I think cyndy could be a seer would be if cyndy decided to divine cinnamon after round 2 and happened to get lucky, but I don't think we should assume she's a seer based only on that one possibility.
So I don't know have anything to say right now on whether I think cyndy or cinnamon is a wolf, but if the main evidence against cinnamon is that cyndy might be a seer, I think we're making a big mistake.
I hope that makes sense. If not, I'll try and explain better.
Edited to add two possible timelines which will hopefully make things a little clearer:
Timeline 1:
Round 1 Day: cyndy chooses to divine cinnamon (probably at random)
Round 2 Day: cyndy learns that cinnamon is a wolf
cinnamon accuses cyndy of being a wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf (saying that it's because cinnamon accused her of being a wolf)
Round 3 Day: cinnamon lists cyndy as her second choice of wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf
Timeline 2:
Round 2 Day: cinnamon accuses cyndy of being a wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf (saying that it's because cinnamon accused her of being a wolf)
cyndy decides to divine cinnamon because cinnamon accused her of being a wolf
Round 3 Day: cyndy learns that cinnamon is a wolf
cinnamon lists cyndy as her second choice of wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf
Neither of the above scenarios make sense to me. They just rely on too much happening by chance. That doesn't mean that cyndy isn't the seer, but it's just as likely that Witty Kitty (who just posted above me) is the seer and had divined cinnamon to be innocent, in which case we should all not vote for cinnamon.
Anyway, I'm going to go reread the other posts and then I'll come back and decide whether I think there's other evidence that cinnamon is a wolf.
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I've been wondering who the seer is, too, but I really don't think it's cyndy. In round 2 when cyndy and cinnamon voted for each other, cyndy did not decide she wanted to vote for cinnamon until cinnamon decided to vote for her. At that point, cyndy couldn't have known cinnamon was a werewolf unless she had decided to divine cinnamon the night before. Since cyndy had no idea that cinnamon was going to accuse her, there's no reason for cyndy to have chosen cinnamon as the person whose identity she wanted to know unless she was already suspicious of cinnamon. However, if cyndy was suspicious of cinnamon after round 1, then why didn't she list those suspicions when she accused cinnamon? It just doesn't add up to me.
The only way I think cyndy could be a seer would be if cyndy decided to divine cinnamon after round 2 and happened to get lucky, but I don't think we should assume she's a seer based only on that one possibility.
So I don't know have anything to say right now on whether I think cyndy or cinnamon is a wolf, but if the main evidence against cinnamon is that cyndy might be a seer, I think we're making a big mistake.
I hope that makes sense. If not, I'll try and explain better.
Edited to add two possible timelines which will hopefully make things a little clearer:
Timeline 1:
Round 1 Day: cyndy chooses to divine cinnamon (probably at random)
Round 2 Day: cyndy learns that cinnamon is a wolf
cinnamon accuses cyndy of being a wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf (saying that it's because cinnamon accused her of being a wolf)
Round 3 Day: cinnamon lists cyndy as her second choice of wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf
Timeline 2:
Round 2 Day: cinnamon accuses cyndy of being a wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf (saying that it's because cinnamon accused her of being a wolf)
cyndy decides to divine cinnamon because cinnamon accused her of being a wolf
Round 3 Day: cyndy learns that cinnamon is a wolf
cinnamon lists cyndy as her second choice of wolf
cyndy accuses cinnamon of being a wolf
Neither of the above scenarios make sense to me. They just rely on too much happening by chance. That doesn't mean that cyndy isn't the seer, but it's just as likely that Witty Kitty (who just posted above me) is the seer and had divined cinnamon to be innocent, in which case we should all not vote for cinnamon.
Anyway, I'm going to go reread the other posts and then I'll come back and decide whether I think there's other evidence that cinnamon is a wolf.
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Thanks guys. I will change my vote back to beetle who was my first vote in this round. I only changed it when I saw I couldn't change my fate. I also thought when I changed my vote to me the round would end. I miscounted the votes against me.
If in the end it is still me who is shot, then so be it. But I still say this is the best game I have played so far.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
If in the end it is still me who is shot, then so be it. But I still say this is the best game I have played so far.
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Thank you huffle, that makes complete sense. Ok, I'm changing my vote from cinn to beetle for the moment while I can think about it (I don't want us to shoot cinn while I'm thinking!!!
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Ok, from all the information before I posted my what if (I'm sorry Cinn, but I'm glad we figured it out before you were shot), I'm going to stick with beetle. I know, beetle, that you are sick and drugged up, but that wouldn't keep you from being a wolf either.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Everyone I am NOT the Seer. I am just plain ole human. I voted for Cinn both times b/c he is so sure that I am a wolf after the first round. How can you be so sure that anyone is anything after the first round.
Good! It looks like I made more sense than I thought I did.
Now, I've had the vote against me from the start of this round but I have never offered to vote for myself and get sympathy revotes from other people. Can we sum up the evidence against beetle? I can see how the seer theory may not work, I said from the start that was a decent leap and I switched my vote from Cyndy to Cinn to save myself. But before I help to condemn beetle, what are we going on? I would like to follow my instinct and vote for Cyndy still but I don't want to sacrifice myself in the process.
I'm changing my vote back to beetle now that cinnamon isn't in great danger now. And yes, you made perfect sense, Huffle!
Livin' that mom-life...
Livin' that mom-life...
Post from dachshund2k3 deleted on 2008-01-21 15:06:46.
Rascalian I didn't offer to vote for myself for sympathy votes. Anyone who has ever played against me can attest to that. As I said, I thought when I made the vote I was ending the round. Once I realized that it wasn't what was the point in changing to someone else when it was still me to be shot. If you feel it was for sympathy, keep your vote for me. EDIT: That way it will be a tie and the computer can decide. But I would prefer the computer to decide between 2 wolves rather than at least 1 player being a human, at this point in the game.
The only reason I changed back to beetle was because others feel that I am human and therefore I stood a chance in surviving. I don't mind sacraficing myself if necessary. However, if I had the choice I would prefer to be eaten to prove to everyone I am human.
I don't know others reasoning for beetle, but mine is as stated above in my previous posts. Beetle hasn't made much sense at all and continues to vote for proven humans.
Edit: Rascalian as of right now you have nothing to worry about. There are only 2 votes for you at this point. Doesn't look like you'll get any more.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
The only reason I changed back to beetle was because others feel that I am human and therefore I stood a chance in surviving. I don't mind sacraficing myself if necessary. However, if I had the choice I would prefer to be eaten to prove to everyone I am human.
I don't know others reasoning for beetle, but mine is as stated above in my previous posts. Beetle hasn't made much sense at all and continues to vote for proven humans.
Edit: Rascalian as of right now you have nothing to worry about. There are only 2 votes for you at this point. Doesn't look like you'll get any more.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Yeah, I deleted my post because it made no sense, even to me. I was trying to do something with math and the seer probability I think, but it was too weird and didn't work.
But I am going to try to continue to watch for the end of night, and post the names. However, I really don't see the amount of good done, because the end of night is delayed for several hours. So the "online in the last 30 minutes" doesn't clear anyone. The only was someone would be cleared is if night ends after midnight Braingle time, which by my calculations is equal to US Central Time (GMT -6 I think). I live in US Eastern (GMT -5), so night will begin around 9:30 tonight EST (8:30 pm BT) (20:30). If night ends after BT midnight, then we can find some people who were on "Today" (future) and claim them as wolves. However, we can't clear people who were on "Yesterday," because (assuming all three wolves are still alive) some wolves could vote before midnight, and one wolf after. We can't clear the wolves who were on "Yesterday," but we can accuse those who were on "Today" for good reason.
I'll be up tomorrow around 6 for school, so I'll try to check the status (50 BT).
However, right now, I will not change my vote.
EDIT: cinn, we simulposted. with 5 hrs to go, cinn has 3 votes, beetle 3, and rascal 2, and I have 1
and I agree, this is the best game I have ever played...but it's not over yet
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~~Albert Einstein
But I am going to try to continue to watch for the end of night, and post the names. However, I really don't see the amount of good done, because the end of night is delayed for several hours. So the "online in the last 30 minutes" doesn't clear anyone. The only was someone would be cleared is if night ends after midnight Braingle time, which by my calculations is equal to US Central Time (GMT -6 I think). I live in US Eastern (GMT -5), so night will begin around 9:30 tonight EST (8:30 pm BT) (20:30). If night ends after BT midnight, then we can find some people who were on "Today" (future) and claim them as wolves. However, we can't clear people who were on "Yesterday," because (assuming all three wolves are still alive) some wolves could vote before midnight, and one wolf after. We can't clear the wolves who were on "Yesterday," but we can accuse those who were on "Today" for good reason.
I'll be up tomorrow around 6 for school, so I'll try to check the status (50 BT).
However, right now, I will not change my vote.
EDIT: cinn, we simulposted. with 5 hrs to go, cinn has 3 votes, beetle 3, and rascal 2, and I have 1
and I agree, this is the best game I have ever played...but it's not over yet
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ~~Albert Einstein
The only way checking the times works anymore is if the night starts and ends in the same day and there were people who were not on that day, or if it starts and ends in 2 days, and there are people not on either of them. You can't really clear or accuse anyone based on anything else, and since we have all been on a lot today, and the night round will start today, none of us will be able to be cleared.
Rascalian, I did not change my vote from Cinn out of sympathy, I felt bad for his decision, yes, but notice the whole time I was saying I felt bad, I kept my vote with him. I did not change my vote until Huffle presented her logic, which made sense to me, and since I was 50% Cinn and 50% beetle, that information pushed me over the fence.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
Rascalian, I did not change my vote from Cinn out of sympathy, I felt bad for his decision, yes, but notice the whole time I was saying I felt bad, I kept my vote with him. I did not change my vote until Huffle presented her logic, which made sense to me, and since I was 50% Cinn and 50% beetle, that information pushed me over the fence.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
The votes with 4 hours to go. Changes, changes - oh changes -
beetle22 voted for dachshund2k3
BorgQueen voted for Rascalian
cinnamon30 voted for beetle22
cyndy296 voted for cinnamon30
dachshund2k3 voted for Rascalian
mocha613 voted for beetle22
Rascalian voted for cinnamon30
WittyKitty voted for beetle22
zonarita voted for cinnamon30
(Cin reading your posts over you can go either way - I like your interaction - you make the game interesting) - I'm a bit unsure of Rascalian and not sure of all of Cin so I'll change my vote to Beetle - we might get lucky - The wolves are going to have a hard time choosing which of us to get rid of. I think most of us have a fair idea who wolves can be but we don't want to have too few humans or we will all surely be eaten in the end.
Celebrate the moment!
Seeing as though I appear to be safe for this round I'm going to revert back to my vote of cyndy being a wolf. I can easily see how beetle may be a wolf but I don't care to cast the deciding vote. I'm sure someone else will be doing that soon.
Rascalian you got an avi!
beetle22 voted for dachshund2k3
BorgQueen voted for Rascalian
cinnamon30 voted for beetle22
cyndy296 voted for cinnamon30
dachshund2k3 voted for Rascalian
mocha613 voted for beetle22
Rascalian voted for cyndy296
WittyKitty voted for beetle22
zonarita voted for beetle22
Only three hours to go. There is a lot of info in this round - I'll need to reread it several times for sure.
It will be interesting to see who the wolves go after.
Celebrate the moment!
beetle22 voted for dachshund2k3
BorgQueen voted for Rascalian
cinnamon30 voted for beetle22
cyndy296 voted for cinnamon30
dachshund2k3 voted for Rascalian
mocha613 voted for beetle22
Rascalian voted for cyndy296
WittyKitty voted for beetle22
zonarita voted for beetle22
Only three hours to go. There is a lot of info in this round - I'll need to reread it several times for sure.
It will be interesting to see who the wolves go after.
Celebrate the moment!
Thanks zonarita and rascalian for changing your votes.
I also have considered witty to be the seer as well as you huffle. Of course there is no proof. Whoever the seer is, if you are still here next round, maybe you can shed some light about the possible wolves (beetle, Borgqueen, cinnamon, cyndy, mocha, rascalian & zonarita).
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I also have considered witty to be the seer as well as you huffle. Of course there is no proof. Whoever the seer is, if you are still here next round, maybe you can shed some light about the possible wolves (beetle, Borgqueen, cinnamon, cyndy, mocha, rascalian & zonarita).
Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
Yeah, I've decided from this game that it's worth having an avi for easy browsing amongst posts. Thanks Cinnamon for including yourself in that list. This has been quite the exhilarating round, lots of ups and downs for a few of us.
No problem rascalian. Nowhere has it been proven I am human, so I have to include myself.
I am still sticking to my orginal assumptions from this round, but if I survive this round, my assumptions may change based on voting patterns. Who knows. I am tired of looking at all the posts. As mocha said, my head is spinning.
Edit: BTW mocha, I have heard of humans turning into wolves but I haven't heard of any humans having sex changes yet.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I am still sticking to my orginal assumptions from this round, but if I survive this round, my assumptions may change based on voting patterns. Who knows. I am tired of looking at all the posts. As mocha said, my head is spinning.
Edit: BTW mocha, I have heard of humans turning into wolves but I haven't heard of any humans having sex changes yet.
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Knowledge is not power. The USE of knowledge is power.
I'm really appreciating the 2 day rounds and not very much jumping on to move the game along faster, I think we've learned a lot this round that will help us! It will be interesting to see who the wolves find most threatening.
I, too, like your avi, rascalian.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
I, too, like your avi, rascalian.
"Wir müssen wissen, und wir werden wissen." -David Hilbert
I vow someday I won't be late.My punishment for this time was all this reading.(No offence,long posts are good!)
Anyway:
beetle22-My vote.I know you're sick,but that doesn't mean you're not a wolf.
BorgQueen-Not much to say
cinnamon30-Seems un-wolflike
cyndy296-Not much said,but I don't post a lot either
mocha613-Seems to be trying very hard to find a wolf,or could be blaming a human (although I don't really suspect you)
Rascalian-One of my top choices to vote for,but I have decided not to.
zonarita-I'm pretty sure he's human.Same thing as I said about mocha.
I'm not very good at making lists.
Anyway:
beetle22-My vote.I know you're sick,but that doesn't mean you're not a wolf.
BorgQueen-Not much to say
cinnamon30-Seems un-wolflike
cyndy296-Not much said,but I don't post a lot either
mocha613-Seems to be trying very hard to find a wolf,or could be blaming a human (although I don't really suspect you)
Rascalian-One of my top choices to vote for,but I have decided not to.
zonarita-I'm pretty sure he's human.Same thing as I said about mocha.
I'm not very good at making lists.
I think I'm going to go ahead and cast the deciding vote for beetle. I didn't get a chance to read over the other posts as thoroughly as I would have liked, but no one but her jumps out at me as being suspicious. I'm not sure if she's a very confused wolf or a very confused human, but she's not helping the humans by trying to vote for other humans and I think she definitely needs to take a nice long nap until she feels better.
cinnamon30 wrote:
Yes, poor cinnamon. Not only did she narrowly miss being shot as a wolf, people keep trying to say she's a guy as well!
cinnamon30 wrote:
Edit: BTW mocha, I have heard of humans turning into wolves but I haven't heard of any humans having sex changes yet.
Yes, poor cinnamon. Not only did she narrowly miss being shot as a wolf, people keep trying to say she's a guy as well!
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