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Who's the Boss Game #2991

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Voting / Memo Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #2

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iamsam4tus


Posted: 05:33PM Aug 7, 2013

Hello! Congrats to everyone who made it through the first round.

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dawnrising*be


Posted: 05:34PM Aug 7, 2013

Hello. safety on minakodeb.

Do you speak Google Translate?
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Thekid4t


Posted: 05:43PM Aug 7, 2013

Safety on dawn for no reason.

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minakodeb


Posted: 05:43PM Aug 7, 2013

Thanks.

We didn't learn anything from the firings - it was all mandatory. And the psych question/answer was vague.

I suggest we get a majority on someone this round and start narrowing down suspects.
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iamsam4tus


Posted: 05:47PM Aug 7, 2013

Oh, I forgot to tell you at the beginning: Avett was the rat.

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eighsseAus


Posted: 05:51PM Aug 7, 2013

Good to hear that the rat is gone.

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eighsseAus


Posted: 05:58PM Aug 7, 2013

minakodeb wrote:
Thanks.

We didn't learn anything from the firings - it was all mandatory. And the psych question/answer was vague.

I suggest we get a majority on someone this round and start narrowing down suspects.


How do we know they were all mandatory? Just because they didn't post a vote doesn't mean they didn't vote, right? And we don't have access to the votes? Also, from thinking about that, I realize that on everyone's voting lists, you all had themasterbrain listed as voting for minakodeb, yet I don't see where themasterbrain ever posted anything saying such a thing. ??


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eighsseAus


Posted: 06:01PM Aug 7, 2013

Btw, I'm sticking with StewieGriffin. Not much info, so mostly a safety vote.

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iamsam4tus


Posted: 06:05PM Aug 7, 2013

themasterbrain wrote:
safety-minakodeb

He did a safety vote.


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minakodeb


Posted: 06:11PM Aug 7, 2013

Well, we can be fairly certain that Avett & Nathan were mandatory, given that at the end of the last round, both had been absent for at least 3 days. (Nathan has since logged on, only to find he was fired for not doing so sooner. Been there, done that!)

themasterbrain - I also missed where he had stated that he had voted.

Here's what we can assume: 1) he said he was going to vote but didn't save his vote (oops) or 2) he voted for me and was fired, thus clearing me from being the boss or 3) he changed his vote and didn't tell us, clearing nobody
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eighsseAus


Posted: 06:29PM Aug 7, 2013

iamsam4 wrote:
themasterbrain wrote:
safety-minakodeb

He did a safety vote.


Wow, you're right, I see it this time. I went through all the posts like 3 times and couldn't find it, lol.


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eighsseAus


Posted: 06:30PM Aug 7, 2013

minakodeb wrote:
Well, we can be fairly certain that Avett & Nathan were mandatory, given that at the end of the last round, both had been absent for at least 3 days. (Nathan has since logged on, only to find he was fired for not doing so sooner. Been there, done that!)

themasterbrain - I also missed where he had stated that he had voted.

Here's what we can assume: 1) he said he was going to vote but didn't save his vote (oops) or 2) he voted for me and was fired, thus clearing me from being the boss or 3) he changed his vote and didn't tell us, clearing nobody


Makes sense :]


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talanpoeAus


Posted: 06:41PM Aug 7, 2013

I agree that Nathan was a mandi, but Avett was the rat. Rat is never a mandatory because he doesn't vote (he can't fail to do something he can't do in the first place); he has to be selectively fired by Boss.

I'm assuming at this point that themasterbrain actually failed to vote. If he actually voted, then note that he wrote
@eighsse, you might be the boss, based on your own reasoning, pretending that you didn't know how the memo worked.
Plus, you were just rambling on about how the boss didn't mean that plants were pets when suddenly accused stewie of saying the exact same thing(with a little less reasoning)!
I am changing my vote to eighsse based on this reasoning.
he would be clearing eighsse rather than minakodeb.

So. 15 players, Boss can fire up to three people (unless they're all mandis). The two possibilities I see are: 1) Boss is inexperienced, themasterbrain actually did vote for Eighsse, and Eighsse is now cleared; or 2) themasterbrain didn't vote as advertised, probably didn't vote at all, and was a mandi. I'm cautious, so I'm going with Option 2 for the moment....


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Thekid4t


Posted: 06:44PM Aug 7, 2013

Why don't we try to clear minakodeb, so we can see if she really IS cleared.

I'm switching.


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eighsseAus


Posted: 07:13PM Aug 7, 2013

Thekid4 wrote:
Why don't we try to clear minakodeb, so we can see if she really IS cleared.

I'm switching.


That works, I'll vote minakodeb.


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eighsseAus


Posted: 09:02PM Aug 7, 2013

Good night everybody. I'll be checking in about 6 hours from now.

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Thekid4t


Posted: 09:04PM Aug 7, 2013

Good night, eighsse


(I don't sound like his mother, do I?)


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KyleBrawl*us


Posted: 09:10PM Aug 7, 2013

Wow! The rat was fired??? That's crazy!! Safety for talan again!

Oh and here is my opinion! The boss is most probably an experienced player. An inexperienced player would NOT fire the rat in the first round. However, an experienced player would have looked at the fact that Avett had not signed in during the past few days. Therefore, we would have all known who the rat was and that would make the rat useless to the boss. However, I have a question for those more experienced than me. When the rat becomes an optional firing, does it tell the boss which optional firing is the rat?
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talanpoeAus


Posted: 09:18PM Aug 7, 2013

I guess a vote would be a good idea, yeah.

Not sure I'm ready to join a majority this early, but am still considering it nevertheless. For the moment though, just a safety vote for Stewie.


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minakodeb


Posted: 03:16AM Aug 8, 2013

Wait, wait...

I agree that Nathan was a mandi, but Avett was the rat. Rat is never a mandatory because he doesn't vote (he can't fail to do something he can't do in the first place); he has to be selectively fired by Boss.



This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.


I'm okay with a vote for me, but I won't join in. Voting for eighsee.
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KyleBrawl*us


Posted: 05:05AM Aug 8, 2013

minakodeb wrote:



This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.



If the boss fired the rat without knowing it, then it is definitely an inexperienced player because I would have noticed that it would have had to been the rat before I fired him!
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Fintpops*us


Posted: 08:54AM Aug 8, 2013

eighsse wrote:
I realize that on everyone's voting lists, you all had themasterbrain listed as voting for minakodeb, yet I don't see where themasterbrain ever posted anything saying such a thing. ??
Well evidently no one was paying attention to the voting list I put together, because the last one I posted in the round clearly showed master voting for eighsee. (Whether he actually did or not, I can't say, but he said he did.)

Yesterday TheKid's plan was to vote for StewieGriffin. Now we're going on minakodeb? .. I'm slow - why are we clearing her? Is it to double-check what master did?

Safety vote for KyleBrawl (until I understand what's going on and why ).
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Thekid4t


Posted: 10:17AM Aug 8, 2013

I don't think I ever said to go against Stewie, Flintpops.

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Fintpops*us


Posted: 11:18AM Aug 8, 2013

Oi oi, no one knows how to read back.

Thekid4 wrote:
Posted: 09:20PM Aug 5, 2013

Starting tomorrow, let's try to get a majority on Stewie, based on eighsse's reasoning.


Not saying you're not allowed to change your mind, of course, but why not carry through with a plan you had, at least at first?

And it's FINTpops, not FLINTpops. (When my little cousin was a baby, she couldn't pronounce "fingerprints" so it came out "fintpops". I thought is sounded cute. )
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Thekid4t


Posted: 12:07PM Aug 8, 2013

When I said that, I meant tomorrow as in literally tomorrow, not as in next round.

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minakodeb


Posted: 12:43PM Aug 8, 2013

KyleBrawl wrote:
minakodeb wrote:



This is correct - Avett wasn't automatically fired, but because Avett didn't hack the network, he showed up on the firing list. The boss probably didn't know it was the rat at all.



If the boss fired the rat without knowing it, then it is definitely an inexperienced player because I would have noticed that it would have had to been the rat before I fired him!



Is the rat identified as the rat when they don't hack? It doesn't say specifically in the rules.
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Fintpops*us


Posted: 12:51PM Aug 8, 2013

Thekid4 wrote:
When I said that, I meant tomorrow as in literally tomorrow, not as in next round.
But you still made a suggestion to vote for Stewie. Why doesn't that hold now? (Which was my main - and only - point in the first place.)
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eighsseAus


Posted: 02:54PM Aug 8, 2013

Fintpops wrote:
Now we're going on minakodeb? .. I'm slow - why are we clearing her? Is it to double-check what master did?


Not that I understand anything either, as a noob, but, if you ask me: if we can just agree to get a majority on anyone, then we will either win (if it's the boss), or clear someone (in theory, although employees could be lying, but I wouldn't understand why they would do that). And clearing anyone is good. The downside, as far as I understand, to piling votes on one person, is that it means that there will be a lot of lemmings (fireables). As opposed to the polar opposite, if everyone votes for someone different, then there would be just 1 lemming (but I'm not sure how the lemming would be determined with an n-way tie -- at 1 vote -- for "candidate"?).


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eighsseAus


Posted: 03:01PM Aug 8, 2013

Which brings up another question I've been wondering about: the rules are vague about how the number of lemmings that the boss may fire in a given round, is determined. I know there are a number of factors, but does anyone know the actual formula? OR is that something that no one has ever nailed down, known only by the creator(s)?

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Fintpops*us


Posted: 03:19PM Aug 8, 2013

eighsse wrote:
if we can just agree to get a majority on anyone, then we will either win (if it's the boss), or clear someone (in theory, although employees could be lying, but I wouldn't understand why they would do that). And clearing anyone is good.
Yeah, I agree with that. I guess what I was meaning was, why clear minako over someone else. But ya gotta start somewhere! And like you pointed out, clearing anyone is good/important.

Gonna change my vote to minakodeb to bulk up the majority, then.

Oh, and I have no clue about the number of lemmings thing. If you find out, I'd like to know too! I would assume there has to be some limit to the number the boss can fire, otherwise couldn't he/she fire all of us in one go?
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KyleBrawl*us


Posted: 03:27PM Aug 8, 2013

In the first two rounds, the boss can't fire more than three players. That includes mandatory firings. If there are three or more mandatory firings, then the boss couldn't fire anyone.

I'll join the majority for mina!!!


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eighsseAus


Posted: 03:35PM Aug 8, 2013

Thanks Kyle, that helps clear it up some. Oh and yeah, I see now that I was wrong about the "only-one-lemming" thing. It says there may be multiple candidates in the event of a tie, so I suppose if everyone voted for someone different, we'd ALL be lemmings. But at least, to the point I was making when I said that, the advantage of splitting up votes as opposed to piling votes on one person, is that in general, there will be fewer lemmings. But if boss can fire only up to 3, and the minimum number of lemmings is 2 (based on what I mentioned in this post), it wouldn't make a huge difference, even if we split the votes up ideally. So I feel -- and again, I'm a beginner, no expert -- that piling votes on in an attempt to win/clear, is best.

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Thekid4t


Posted: 04:15PM Aug 8, 2013

Voting List:

dawnrising -------- minakodeb
eighsse ------------- minakodeb
Fintpops ----------- minakodeb
KyleBrawl --------- minakodeb

lissiclown
minakodeb --------- eighsse
MindReader22
SaraGrace
sciencesteven
StewieGriffin

talanpoe ------------ minakodeb
Thekid4 ------------- minakodeb


Joined the minakodeb majority
Voted, but not for minakodeb
Have not stated a vote


Fintpops wrote:
And it's FINTpops, not FLINTpops. (When my little cousin was a baby, she couldn't pronounce "fingerprints" so it came out "fintpops". I thought is sounded cute. )
Ohhhhhhhh. Okay then. That makes sense. "Flintpops" sounds like something you would yell at someone. "Darn you, you little flintpops!"


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talanpoeAus


Posted: 05:39PM Aug 8, 2013

OK. After due consideration, I'm switching to Minkodeb.

Minkodeb wrote
Is the rat identified as the rat when they don't hack? It doesn't say specifically in the rules.
Not in that case. They're just listed along with any lemmings. They are identified as the rat if Boss gets more than 33% of the vote.

On the number of firings, Boss can optionally fire 1 person for each 5 (or portion thereof) players. So 1-5 players, 1 firing; 6-10, 2 firings; 11-15, 3 firings; 16-20, 4 firings; but if the number of mandis is that number or more, then Boss has no optional firings.

EDIT: vote change confirmed.


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Thekid4t


Posted: 06:22PM Aug 8, 2013

The voting list has been updated.

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Fintpops*us


Posted: 06:43PM Aug 8, 2013

Thekid4 wrote:
"Flintpops" sounds like something you would yell at someone. "Darn you, you little flintpops!"
I might just start yelling that at people. Would sure confuse them, if nothing else. LOL!
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eighsseAus


Posted: 07:00PM Aug 8, 2013

Thekid4 wrote:
"Flintpops" sounds like something you would yell at someone. "Darn you, you little flintpops!"

Or a delicious frozen treat they would have on The Flintstones.


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dawnrising*be


Posted: 07:21PM Aug 8, 2013

Keeping my safety on minakodeb. Noticing that she is doing what a boss would do and logging in a whole lot. You guys may be right about her being the boss

Do you speak Google Translate?
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minakodeb


Posted: 07:29PM Aug 8, 2013

Yeah, not the boss. Happy to be cleared this round. Everyone vote for me!!!
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eighsseAus


Posted: 07:42PM Aug 8, 2013

minakodeb wrote:
Yeah, not the boss. Happy to be cleared this round. Everyone vote for me!!!


Yep. Exactly what a boss would say. Just kidding though (kind of). :]


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talanpoeAus


Posted: 08:10PM Aug 8, 2013

12 players, we need 7 votes to clear. Almost there.

EDIT: Incorrect. We know that Rat is gone, so only 11 votes. 6/11 is more than half so we're already there (assuming everybody voted as advertised.)


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eighsseAus


Posted: 08:32PM Aug 8, 2013

talanpoe wrote:
12 players, we need 7 votes to clear. Almost there.

EDIT: Incorrect. We know that Rat is gone, so only 11 votes. 6/11 is more than half so we're already there (assuming everybody voted as advertised.)


But, if the boss is actively talking with us, as one of us, he would probably be saying he's voting for someone, even though he doesn't, right? So one of the votes could be the boss, which would not happen obviously. So I think we still need 7 total to be sure (even then, not sure, but you know). If the Rat were still around, I would say we need majority +2 even, not just +1.


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eighsseAus


Posted: 08:51PM Aug 8, 2013

Like, if everyone left were all actively posting, and all 12 stated their vote, one would have to be the boss feigning a vote. So at LEAST 1 vote would be fake.

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KyleBrawl*us


Posted: 03:44AM Aug 9, 2013

The boss doesn't need to be factored in. If mina is the boss, then all of the votes will be real. If mina is not the boss, then the boss could have voted in the majority. HOWEVER the boss could only vote in the majority if mina was not the boss. So either A. Mina is the boss, all the votes are real and we win or B. Mina is not the boss and only then could the boss have voted in the majority. *heavy breathing*
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eighsseAus


Posted: 03:51AM Aug 9, 2013

KyleBrawl wrote:
The boss doesn't need to be factored in. If mina is the boss, then all of the votes will be real. If mina is not the boss, then the boss could have voted in the majority. HOWEVER the boss could only vote in the majority if mina was not the boss. So either A. Mina is the boss, all the votes are real and we win or B. Mina is not the boss and only then could the boss have voted in the majority. *heavy breathing*


Very true, I overlooked that! However, I suppose in the case that minako (or whoever were being cleared) joined in and claimed to vote for herself to help clear herself, it would NOT count.


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talanpoeAus


Posted: 06:27AM Aug 9, 2013

eighsse wrote:
Very true, I overlooked that! However, I suppose in the case that minako (or whoever were being cleared) joined in and claimed to vote for herself to help clear herself, it would NOT count.
Right. You never count someone's vote for themself when calculating a clearing majority.

The simple safe rule of thumb is number of players divided by two and then raised to the next integer. (You can work out all the cases to confirm this at your leisure.). But with an even number of players and knowing that Rat is gone, we don't have to do the raise; so 12/2=6 is the needed number of declared votes.


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iamsam4tus


Posted: 06:38AM Aug 9, 2013

This is some of the best cooperating that I have seen in a wtb.
I am just about to leave for pensylvania, so I might not be able to come on braingle again until Sunday. I will try though.


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lissiclownAus


Posted: 07:58AM Aug 9, 2013

Okay i will join on the majority for minakodeb
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Thekid4t


Posted: 09:42AM Aug 9, 2013

I'm only changing one thing, but it was too long ago to just edit.


dawnrising -------- minakodeb
eighsse ------------- minakodeb
Fintpops ----------- minakodeb
KyleBrawl --------- minakodeb
lissiclown ---------- minakodeb

minakodeb --------- eighsse
MindReader22
SaraGrace
sciencesteven
StewieGriffin

talanpoe ------------ minakodeb
Thekid4 ------------- minakodeb


Joined the minakodeb majority
Voted, but not for minakodeb
Have not stated a vote

We now have a solid majority.


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minakodeb


Posted: 09:57AM Aug 9, 2013

MindReader and StewieG haven't logged on in a few days - look for them to be mandatories.
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Fintpops*us


Posted: 10:09AM Aug 9, 2013

That's a really good voting list, thekid. Very easy to read.
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Thekid4t


Posted: 02:01PM Aug 9, 2013

Thank you. I usually don't make voting lists, as others do before me.

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eighsseAus


Posted: 05:45PM Aug 9, 2013

So, voting has ended. So, say minakodeb happened to be the boss and we just voted her out and won. It would be saying that at this point right? Since there wouldn't be a memo to wait on.

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minakodeb


Posted: 12:03AM Aug 10, 2013

Don't want to say I told you so just yet...
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KyleBrawl*us


Posted: 02:00AM Aug 10, 2013

here comes the part where people get fired hahahaha
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Thekid4t


Posted: 12:27PM Aug 10, 2013

Yay! Our first cleared player!

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eighsseAus


Posted: 03:40PM Aug 10, 2013

minakodeb wrote:
Don't want to say I told you so just yet...


Never had a reason to doubt ya But better to clear someone than no one, and there's practically zero evidence on anyone to go by so far.


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minakodeb


Posted: 03:45PM Aug 10, 2013

I agree.

iamsam said she might not be able to get online until Sunday, so I wouldn't expect the next round to start until then. Have a great weekend, everybody!
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eighsseAus


Posted: 04:33PM Aug 10, 2013

Yep I guess our business is closed for a couple days...
You too, minako.


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