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The Werewolf Game #2945

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Voting Discussion
This game finished in 8 rounds.

Discussion of Round #4

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JayoAie


Posted: 02:53AM Jul 19, 2013

Thanks Jayo.
I posted this at the end of last round, but not sure if everyone would have had a chance to see it:

I will give you some direction:

1) There is something this country is known for that is more important than the country itself

2) The subject of the songs is more important than who wrote them

3) The participant is more important than the sport

4) Pretty straightforward

5) The player is only the first part of the clue and is not where your focus should be.


Clues 3 and 5 are essentially solved the same way, though there are different solutions, they are related (you'll understand that later) and point to the same player in slightly different ways.


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Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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JayoAie


Posted: 02:59AM Jul 19, 2013

I had meant to get on last round before it ended but my time-zone wasn't very compliant with my needs!
My vote was on Scrub as I had a feeling about him but if I had gotten back online I would have changed my vote

Will have to settle for an SPV for now until more people can get there thoughts out there


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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scrub88it


Posted: 06:22AM Jul 19, 2013

With Drum being inactive and the WIHC probably still among us, this is a must lynch round. So Deb, this analysis is for you.

Everything I am saying is based on the assumption that both Faheem and Longhorn Fan are human. At least he seemed very human at the end of the round to me. This means that Faheem and Longhorn Fan represent two talkboxes in this game. I am in the third talkbox, and you know this because I am not in yours. This being said, I am pretty sure that I know why votes did not change last round. If you KNOW that one of two choices is human but you don't know the other, what would you? Vote for the other.

Kaiper, you KNEW Faheem was human, so you had no choice but to vote to save him. Longhorn, you and Deb KNEW you were human, so you no choice but to vote for Faheem. So why didn't Snow, Jayo or Stewie vote one way or the other? Because they are not in your talkboxes.

This is because they are the wolves. And one of Skybet or Fleetwood is the WIHC. Based on Faheem's input I am guessing Skybet. Jayo's and Stewie's identities actually alude me, but someone in my talkbox noticed Stewie early on. I am convinced that Snow is a wolf based on her posts. Notice how she says LH is human. Because LH is. Notice how she tried to play peacemaker when whe talked to Kaiper. Once again, she knows Kaiper is human. Which of you are still alive? She knows you will be suspicious of each other because of last round.

If the seer(I hope you are not drum) is still alive (not DEB). i hope you can confirm this because this analysis is based on the orirginal assumption. But I spent the night trying to figure out the relationships if Longhorn were a wolf - and I could not find the third wolf. (I would be the second wolf - and I know otherwise) My problem in voting is simple. Since this is a must-lynch round, I am not voting yet. If I am wrong the wolves will pile on.

This vote will come down to four humans against three wolves and the WIHC. We will need to the rogue wolf to vote with our side so we don't leave the outcome to the computer (I am convinced it is weighted in favor of a wolf), so we must be unanimous in this vote.
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 06:34AM Jul 19, 2013

scrub88 wrote:
so we don't leave the outcome to the computer (I am convinced it is weighted in favor of a wolf)


I've often thought so too, but then I've been in plenty of games that a wolf was shot in the even of a tie. I am not sure the way it decides. Perhaps by whichever team needs the help more


Vas-y les Habs! J'y crois!
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 07:26AM Jul 19, 2013

Interesting take Scrub.

I wish we could have a rundown of what type of characters are left.

Waiting on the vote


Like what you love, and love what you got.
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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 07:27AM Jul 19, 2013

I am not quite sure where my thoughts are at this point. I will SPV for now and be back to check out where things are going later today!
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 09:06AM Jul 19, 2013

Longhorn_fan wrote:
I wish we could have a rundown of what type of characters are left.


I know how hard it is to play in a "blind" game, but they are so much fun to watch from the sidelines when you know what is going on! Depending on where we are at the end of this round (full round) I may toss you guys a bone and do the revels a round early..


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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 09:29AM Jul 19, 2013

If we still have a seer this might be a good time to come out.
There are 9 players left.....I know for a fact that 3 of the 9 players are human......Myself is included in that number.

To me there are 6 I am unsure of the IDs on. It still gives me a 1/3 shot of picking the correct person.

IF Scrub is correct and he is human and knows the IDs of the people in his box then that gives us the IDs of at least 6 people, therefore we have a 2/3 shot of popping off a furball.

I did and still somewhat suspect Stew and Jayo as they are in my HAR list......Fleet and Faheem as well.
Fleet is troubling me.
She voted for me as a "SPV" in round 1,2,and 3 and now she has states she will vote to protect the seer but yet did not vote.

I am not going to pile on the vote as of yet.

Snow I am still on the fence about but will ponder and add more input at a later time.


Like what you love, and love what you got.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:39AM Jul 19, 2013

Hey guys, any clue at to why deb was eaten? Did the night time out or are we allowed to ask this? Scrubb, your analysis makes perfect sense. All I can do is speak for myself, I am human, you have the right not to believe me. As for my behavior. . . . I took LH as being human, simply because she is playing like a human, as she has done in past games. You are right though, we need to get a wolf this round - no more SPV"s!

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 09:42AM Jul 19, 2013

snowmonster wrote:
Hey guys, any clue at to why deb was eaten? Did the night time out or are we allowed to ask this? Scrubb, your analysis makes perfect sense. All I can do is speak for myself, I am human, you have the right not to believe me. As for my behavior. . . . I took LH as being human, simply because she is playing like a human, as she has done in past games. You are right though, we need to get a wolf this round - no more SPV"s!


My guess is Deb was eaten as a "ploy" to make it look like either Drum or Sky is a wolf as they are both inactive and Deb was on the top on the list.

I would highly doubt it was a seer hunt kill.


Like what you love, and love what you got.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:49AM Jul 19, 2013

That makes sense, I logged on around 10a.m. Ohio time, and the round hadn't started yet. I can't remember how much time was left before the round ended, but with the wolves being active (and not allowing the nights to go so long), up until last night, I'd have to agree, that they probably allowed the night to time out to frame someone.

Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 09:54AM Jul 19, 2013

Ok....This is way out on a limb....but try it and see what you all think.

Snow, Longhorn, Jayo, Scrub, Kaiper, and Stew all have earned an archery "award" in their braingle page.

A "snowmonster" is a yeti which comes from Nepal, initially...Nepal is a SouthEast Asia country with suns and moons on its flag. Snow made a comment about participation awards in round 0 of the game.

I am still not sure about the cars and driving and road aspect of the clue. and the later clue HABS gave I have not pondered into yet.

Any thoughts??

Sam Bradford: Born 11/8/1987. Played high school football and college football for Oklahoma. Won the heisman trophy
SB, NOV 8, OK, Heisman.........The 2010 Draft took place April 22, 23, and 24th

HABS wrote:
I will give you some direction:

1) There is something this country is known for that is more important than the country itself
2) The subject of the songs is more important than who wrote them
3) The participant is more important than the sport
4) Pretty straightforward
5) The player is not where your focus should be.


Nepal is more known for yetis and the Hemalayias and sherpia guides than actually nepal itself.
The subject of the songs......FEMALE!!! All three of those Beach Boy's songs are about girls and cars, or cars being refrenced as female

The player not being the focus: hhmm, the dates?? The only one who comes close to the dates are Scrub (I think I remember right) birth day is 4/21

Another thing is "player should not be where focus is".......What about the sport, Football.....Soccer???
AAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HABS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love you though


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 11:48AM Jul 19, 2013

LOL, I am having so much fun with this. :-)

Vas-y les Habs! J'y crois!
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scrub88it


Posted: 11:57AM Jul 19, 2013

Nepal is also known for Mt. Everest. Longhorn alluded to it when she spoke of the Sherpas. I think the key to the sport clues is "on fire". Soccer or football make no sense because there is no wartime equivalent of them that I know of. Besides, you have three blokes from the UK and me. We all like soccer. I am assuming a little on Skybet there- but his player sheet says he likes sports and he is from London. The clues are obtuse. My mema always said "The proof is in the pudding".

Longhorn - Go back to my main question. You know the players I mentioned as wolves are not in your talkbox. If they were in Faheem's talkbox, they would have voted for you to be shot.

Also, your counting is not correct on the humans. If you knew three living humans and i knew three living humans, then collectively we would know all of the humans (6). Alas, there are not three remaining humans in my box.
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Longhorn_fanAus


Posted: 12:33PM Jul 19, 2013

Yes Scrub. Mt Everest is part of the Hemalayian mountians....
The football/soccer refrence was to the Sam Bradford clue....Not the Archry clue.

However, each one states something about fire.


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scrub88it


Posted: 02:11PM Jul 19, 2013

I am visiting the clues again.

1) I agree it is probably Nepal. It is also known for its yaks, to go along with the yeti and himilayas.

4) I can not find where Snow referenced this. Only LH. Help please.
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StewieGriffinie


Posted: 02:24PM Jul 19, 2013

I did not get on until now. As I have had a long day in college, and when I got home I fell asleep.

I agree with everything that I have read, but at the moment I am no closer to figuring out the clues, and I am clueless as the who the wolves are?

Whoever they are they have played a great game, But where do we start...

I will vote for Kai at the moment. No reason, Just a hunch, subject to change. Though I will keep on trying to figure out the clues, but I am horrible at them at them, as anyone who plays regularly with me will confirm.


Did you know: that the ocean holds nearly 20 million tons of gold but most of it is diluted. Each liter of seawater contains about 13 billionths of a gram. So there is enough gold on the sea floor to put 9 pounds in every pocket on Earth.
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Kaippertus


Posted: 03:33PM Jul 19, 2013

I think night timing out was just another attempt for the wolves to throw us off the track, but it is interesting that the eating happened to be the player who was alphabetically first. So either none of them voted or they all somehow agreed to eat deb (which I find unlikely as they are not supposed to communicate during night).

Longhorn_fan wrote:

Another thing is "player should not be where focus is".......What about the sport, Football.....Soccer???


I looked at interests on profiles and here's what I have:

Stewie and scrub have soccer listed.
Longhorn mentions football.
Fleet says volleyball.
Skybet and Jayo both just say "sports."

I think Skybet and Jayo have too vague a response to match this clue...I don't really know how volleyball is played so no clue on that. I don't think Longhorn would point out himself. So that leaves Stewie, scrub, and possibly Fleet.

Unless the clue means our focus should NOT be on a sports fan?

EDIT: Going to put in an SPV for Skybet. I'll probably change it later but we hardly have enough votes to protect the seer at the moment.


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 03:58PM Jul 19, 2013


(I know, I'm evil)


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Vas-y les Habs! J'y crois!
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Fleetwood__38t


Posted: 04:27PM Jul 19, 2013

Oh HABS! You evil one..

Sorry I didn't post much today, I have had a very busy day with packing for vacation and preparing! I am leaving tomorrow morning which means I will be in the car almost all day I will try my hardest to get on my dads phone so I can at least vote.

I might not be able to post anything. If there is a majority I will most likely follow it.
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scrub88it


Posted: 05:38PM Jul 19, 2013

Ok longhorn,

Fleet wants us to vote first, Kaiper isn't reading the posts, and sky and drum are still missing. Snow, Jayo and Stewie seem caught in neutral. I hate the fact that the clues seems to point mostly to you because I believe you are human. So did Deb, and Snow seems to think so too.

I say let's vote Jayo and see who follows. What do you think?
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JayoAie


Posted: 06:41PM Jul 19, 2013

I'm pretty sure we weren't allowed to discuss who was in each TB Scrub?
Without explicitly stating it, I defended Faheem

This is the very reason I was 'leaning' towards LH over Faheem, as I KNEW he had to be human.
I had fully intended to get on before the end of the round (As I already mentioned) to save him but sleep defeated me and the day ended while I was asleep

This is an important round and it would be too easy for a wolf to slip a vote onto someone and appear innocent, a MoO is not helpful and there are only 3 votes so far into the round, are we to assume the Seer is no longer with us and thus doesn't need protection?

Step up people, we need to be able to put together a picture of who is suspecting who and where the votes are actually going


Day
It takes 5 votes to select someone to be shot with the silver bullet.

Jayo voted for Fleetwood__38
Kaipper voted for Skybet
StewieGriffin voted for Kaipper

Nobody has been shot with the silver bullet yet.


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Kaippertus


Posted: 07:09PM Jul 19, 2013

Also, scrub, why suggest voting for Jayo and then not even vote for him yourself? Seems pretty suspicious if you ask me.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 07:23PM Jul 19, 2013

Ok, first off, sorry I haven't been on much today, Husband had today off, so it was an off day. lol

As for the three that have voted. . . it would be nice to know why you are voting for ________ other than you have a gut feeling or it's an SPV and subject to change, etc. What if you don't get back on? This game is winding down. We HAVE to get a wolf this round.


Will hold off on my vote so you guys can share why you want to vote for who you are suggesting. We can't vote blindly this round, and for scrub to suggest this, makes me want to put him on my radar again.


Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 07:27PM Jul 19, 2013

Jayo wrote:
I'm pretty sure we weren't allowed to discuss who was in each TB Scrub? :-


That is correct, and as I mentioned in one of the TBs, this also means you cannot discuss who is NOT inn your box, nice loophole that is closed to you!


Vas-y les Habs! J'y crois!
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JayoAie


Posted: 08:19PM Jul 19, 2013

Fleetwood__38 wrote:


I might not be able to post anything. If there is a majority I will most likely follow it.



This looks to me like a wolf, no care who the majority would potentially be on or why - likely to produce a dangerous late vote on a human and of all the posts in this round, this is the red flag of them

I think Fleetie is a wolf

I think one of either Snow or Stewie for a wolf, Scrub is difficult to read, I was getting surer he was furry but I'm less so having read over the rounds again.

Just from pure history and the way things run, given that there was a coin flip that cost us a human in the form of Faheem, I'd be much more inclined to nod LH for a wolf, unless there were 2 humans involved in that 50/50 - but I was leaning human on LH before and as I said, was willing to shoot that way as I knew the humanity of Faheem and it would have been a no brainer to call...but I didn't make it online in time

Must remember that one of the wolves is on our side so if we DO peg a wolf, best make sure they are not on our side


I'd encourage a Fleet vote, I won't be on again this round as it is 2:18 a.m. and waaaaayyyy past time to hit the hay

Vote well peeps!

Seer, do your thing next round


Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
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Kaippertus


Posted: 08:49PM Jul 19, 2013

Okay, reading Fleet's post again (now that Jayo pointed it out), it does come off as suspicious. This is not WTB where you are out of the game if you don't vote for a round. However it's not really enough to make me certain of Fleet's identity, and it might even be that Jayo is a wolf trying to put suspicion on a human.

I think snow might be a wolf. She has hardly theorized much this round and pushed for others to do it (perhaps trying to lay low?), and last round she was pretty insistent on defending Longhorn. It could be that Longhorn and snow are both wolves, or maybe Longhorn is the WIHC and therefore snow is supposed to protect her. I will change my vote to snow.

The rest of you guys, PLEASE put in some votes...we can hardly protect the seer this way.
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scrub88it


Posted: 09:28PM Jul 19, 2013

HABS2933 wrote:
Jayo wrote:
I'm pretty sure we weren't allowed to discuss who was in each TB Scrub? :-


That is correct, and as I mentioned in one of the TBs, this also means you cannot discuss who is NOT inn your box, nice loophole that is closed to you!


HABS - this what I asked you about. You said that I could speculate about other boxes.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 09:50PM Jul 19, 2013

Kaipper wrote:
Okay, reading Fleet's post again (now that Jayo pointed it out), it does come off as suspicious. This is not WTB where you are out of the game if you don't vote for a round. However it's not really enough to make me certain of Fleet's identity, and it might even be that Jayo is a wolf trying to put suspicion on a human.

I think snow might be a wolf. She has hardly theorized much this round and pushed for others to do it (perhaps trying to lay low?), and last round she was pretty insistent on defending Longhorn. It could be that Longhorn and snow are both wolves, or maybe Longhorn is the WIHC and therefore snow is supposed to protect her. I will change my vote to snow.

The rest of you guys, PLEASE put in some votes...we can hardly protect the seer this way.


I simply asked those that had placed a vote to explain their vote. Also, I simply asked scrub to explain his wanted vote pileup for Jayo. I'm not going to vote in the dark . . . but YOU have raised my suspicions quite a bit. I suspected you 2-3 rounds ago, and brushed it off. Not any more. Even if I am wrong about you, I have to protect my position in the game, and vote to help save myself. Voting for Kaipper this round. If I'm wrong, sorry, but I have to try and save myself. . . .

I had hoped scrub would have come on and explained his suspicion of Jayo, but he chose not to. Therefore, I cannot vote for Jayo - especially when scrub himself has not voted for him, which is odd.

**edit - Kaipper, I also find it very suspicious that you state you find scrub suspicious for not voting for Jayo, then turn around and vote for me. IDK, maybe more strange than suspicious. You seam to be all over the place . . . . jumpy wolf, maybe???


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Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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scrub88it


Posted: 10:09PM Jul 19, 2013

Jayo brought out an interesting point about the Rogue wolf - who must still be in play. So I mapped out our voting for the first three rounds and circled all the known humans. Everyone has voted for a human at least once.

I have found another combination of players that could be wolves, but it is more of a lack of information. Longhorn could be teaming with Skybet and Drummajor.

Finally, I suggested Jayo because LH and I both agreed he is suspect. Even now, though, he says he knew Faheem was human. He could know that because Faheem is in his tb, or because he is a wolf. Today he tells us he was favoring Faheem, but yesterday LH made him clarify and he said he favored LH. Very confusing.

At this point, I KNOW kaiper and fleet defended Faheem. That makes them the two most likely humans in the game in my book. I am voting for Snow with Kaiper.
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snowmonsterAus


Posted: 10:31PM Jul 19, 2013

I may not have defended Faheem, but I also did not shoot him. Maybe you should be looking at those that did . . . . . I didn't shoot him cause I did not suspect him. LH was on his tail the most, if I remember right. I think your reasons for voting for me are weak. . . . . but if that's all you have, so be it. This makes me really want to put you back on my list of suspects!

*edit - ha - YOU, LH and Deb voted for Faheem. . . .. boy you like to twist things. You're voting for me, why again? Because Kaiper and fleet defended Faheem . . . . . If I had done so within the game, would you be voting for someone else?


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Take all sorrow out of life and you take away all richness, and depth, and tenderness. The capacity of sorrow belongs to our grandeur. It is the furnace that melts hearts together in love. In loving memory of my dear friend Guy - take care Goobs . .
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Kaippertus


Posted: 10:38PM Jul 19, 2013

snowmonster wrote:
**edit - Kaipper, I also find it very suspicious that you state you find scrub suspicious for not voting for Jayo, then turn around and vote for me. IDK, maybe more strange than suspicious. You seam to be all over the place . . . . jumpy wolf, maybe???


I thought it was suspicious because scrub posted this:

I say let's vote Jayo and see who follows. What do you think?


It seems really odd to suggest something like that and then not go along yourself in my opinion. He did come back and explain, though it still seems a little odd in my book. He is also coming up with a lot of combinations of people who could be wolves...as he's a more experienced player, this is difficult to read. Could be a good wolf trying to throw us off the track, or a human who's good at seeing patterns.

We're tied again between snow and me - hopefully someone will break it, as I too have seen from experience that the computer seems to favor the wolves, and THIS round, it would be even more critical than the last to shoot a human.

Edit because snow posted again while I was typing: Her post is REALLY defensive. Wolf afraid of being caught, maybe?


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scrub88it


Posted: 10:43PM Jul 19, 2013

Snow - I did vote Faheem. I was wrong. I thought Deb was human and she was. DEB and I both voted with LH, who may turn out to be human too. If LH is a wolf - she fooled me and deserves to win. I think she owes me one or two anyway.

And yes, if you had voted LH with Faheem, I would be voting for someone else right now.


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scrub88it


Posted: 12:57AM Jul 20, 2013

I know I am flopping and it is way too late in the day, but I am changing to LH because every clue points to her.

A yak is a bovine.
I am almost positive she likes vintage cars, and she is a girl.
We already discussed the archer.
She commented on HABS SirHar participation award.
She is a football- namely the tu Longhorns - fan.

Maybe stewie and Jayo will find this if they wake up before the day times out.

I am almost positive that fleet is the WIHC.


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HABS2933Aca


Posted: 05:58AM Jul 20, 2013

scrub88 wrote:


HABS - this what I asked you about. You said that I could speculate about other boxes.


Yes, I DID say you could be subtle about other boxes, but not state outright "SiirHar is not in this box". And you cannot name every player in the game and put them into other boxes, anyone with an IQ over 4.7 who wanted to take the time to do it could then figure out the people in your box, as they know the people in their own box, they'd know most of the box participants.

Yellow Card, not a Red Card.


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